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http://www.wnd.com/2015/12/sheriffs-sen ... armed-now/

Now is not the time for Americans to cower in fear, be intimidated by liberal ideology, or apologize for one of America’s longest standing constitutional rights – the right to bear arms – say a growing chorus of religious, law enforcement and political leaders.

Several sheriffs have sent out warnings in the wake of the recent Islamic terrorist attacks in Paris, Beirut, Mali and San Bernardino that Americans, now more than ever, need to get armed.

The first was Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Arizona who on Dec. 1 called for 250,000 armed citizens to stop terrorism and mass shootings in Arizona. This represents the number of concealed carry permit holders in Arizona.

“I’m just talking about the areas where you have large crowds and someone pulls out the gun and starts shooting. Maybe somebody with a concealed weapon takes the guy down,” Arpaio told a local CBS affiliate.

He was criticized by some others in law enforcement who said they didn’t think armed civilians shooting bad guys in public places was a good idea because it could lead to “collateral damage,” Tuscon News Now reported.


Then came Ulster County Sheriff Paul Van Blarcum of Ulster County, New York, about two hours north of New York City. In a Dec. 3 Facebook post following the deadly jihadist attack on San Bernardino, he said the county’s 10,000 residents who have concealed-carry handgun permits should use them.

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“In light of recent events that have occurred in the United States and around the world I want to encourage citizens of Ulster County who are licensed to carry a firearm to please do so,” Van Blarcum said in his Facebook post. “I urge you to responsibly take advantage of your legal right to carry a firearm. To ensure the safety of yourself and others, make sure you are comfortable and proficient with your weapon, and knowledgeable of the laws in New York State with regards to carrying a weapon and when it is legal to use it.”

Van Blarcum’s Facebook post received more than 24,000 “likes” as of Friday, 3,289 comments and was shared 30,000 times. :twisted:

Detroit Police Chief James Craig weighed in on Dec. 2 and said he believes terrorists would be reluctant to target Detroit, as they had Paris last month, for fear armed citizens would shoot back.

“A lot of Detroiters have CPLs (concealed pistol licenses), and the same rules apply to terrorists as they do to some gun-toting thug,” Craig told the Detroit News. “If you’re a terrorist, or a carjacker, you want unarmed citizens.”

Oakland University criminal justice professor Daniel Kennedy agreed with Craig that terrorists would be reluctant to attack armed citizens.

“We don’t have laboratories where we can test these theories, but there is something to the argument that terrorists want a high body count — and if they can only shoot a few people before they’re taken out themselves, it wouldn’t have the kind of impact they want,” Kennedy told the News.

“An armed citizen won’t give them a high body count. Look at the theater in Paris,” the Bataclan Café, where four men with AK-47 assault rifles killed 89 people during a rock concert. “If some of those people had been armed, it would’ve been a much different story.”

‘A day of reckoning has arrived’

Carl Gallups, who served 10 years as a Florida police office before becoming a Baptist pastor and talk radio host, has authored a new book called “Be Thou Prepared: Equipping the the Church for Persecution and Times of Trouble.” In that book he admonishes Christians to take a fresh biblical look at the issue of guns and self-defense.

“In light of several prominent United States Sheriffs, and even well-known media personalities, now advising America citizens to “arm themselves” (specifically in preparation for the possibility of armed Islamic attacks on our soil), I think people can now see where we really are in America at this point in history,” Gallups told WND. “A day of reckoning has arrived.”

Part of the battle is being able to recognize propaganda in the media, which reports that it’s the availability of guns that causes “gun violence.”

In a rare piece of honest reporting on the subject, the Washington Post reported Dec. 3 that there has actually been a “massive decline in gun violence in the United States” since 1993.

The only exception is mass shootings in gun-free zones, according to the Post report, citing a Pew Research study, states:

“Premeditated mass shootings in public places are happening more often, some researchers say, plunging towns and cities into grief and riveting the attention of a horrified nation. In general, though, fewer Americans are dying as a result of gun violence – a shift that began about two decades ago.

FT_15.10.13_gunViolence“In 1993, there were seven homicides by firearm for every 100,000 Americans, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. By 2013, that figure had fallen by nearly half, to 3.6 — a total of 11,208 firearm homicides. The number of victims of crimes involving guns that did not result in death (such as robberies) declined even more precipitously, from 725 per 100,000 people in 1993 to 175 in 2013.”

Gallups said he wrote his book from the perspective of 10 years of direct law enforcement experience and 30 years in the ministry. In both cases, he’s been deeply involved in the traumas and disasters of life, including assaults on life, home, church and property.

“The fact that American law enforcement officials can even make a legitimate and legal call’ for Americans to arm themselves is an astounding phenomenon directly related to our Second Amendment rights and freedoms,” Gallups said.

“Very few nations of the world could make such an appeal to their common citizenry and actually have millions of people instantly ready (and quite capable) of protecting themselves, their families, churches, communities, and their nation,” he continued. “And, don’t discount the fact that millions of Americans don’t even need an appeal from law enforcement to know what to do and how to do it when it comes to being prepared to take defensive measures of protection.

“I know the leftist elitists hate this fact, but it is one thing that specifically defines and separates the United States from most of the rest of the world. This is the very reason why there is a continual outcry from the leftists for ‘tougher gun control laws’ in America. It is also the reason why Americans should never give up their Second Amendment rights.”

Many Christians have historically had a difficult time with the concept of arming themselves, and Gallups answers those critics.

He turns to the Founding Fathers for inspiration:

“That is certainly a matter of individual concern. However, we have been blessed for a long time in America even to be able to have debates about the topic. Our founding fathers and the early colonists certainly did not have that luxury. Generations before us that went through World War I and World War II didn’t have that luxury. Now, it appears that our generation will have to give serious thought and preparation to equipping ourselves so that our generation and the ones that follow might have some semblance of the America we know and love left to pass on.”

The concept of God’s people “arming” themselves for self-preservation is not a new one, he said.

“From the children of Israel coming out of Egypt to Nehemiah rebuilding the walls of Jerusalem to Jesus conversing with his disciples in the Garden of Gethsemane on the night of His betrayal (and telling them to purchase a sword), the Word of God gives us many examples of using our common sense as we ultimately rely upon the Lord to lead us into ways of protection.”

Cruz defends gun rights

Texas senator and GOP presidential candidate Ted Cruz also encouraged Americans to take advantage of their Second Amendment rights following the San Bernardino terror attack.

“Unfortunately, the goal of both President Obama and Hillary Clinton, is to consistently – at every turn – to look to weaken the constitutional rights of American citizens,” he told Breitbart. “And in particular, to undermine our constitutional right to keep and bear arms. You don’t get rid of the bad guys by getting rid of our guns. You get rid of the bad guys by using our guns. And, rather than respond to radical Islam and terrorism with a commitment from the president to keep this nation safe–to kill the terrorists–instead, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton refuse to even utter the words “radical Islamic terrorism.”

This infallible argument for armed self-defense presents real stories of Americans fighting back against criminals – and surviving because they were armed. “America Fights Back: Armed Self-Defense In A Violent Age” is a must-read for anyone who has ever wondered if concealed carry can actually save and protect.

Cruz said the gun-control push illustrates the misguided priorities of President Obama and Hillary Clinton.

“They refuse to stand up and do what is necessary to defeat radical Islamic terrorism, to defeat ISIS, to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons,” he said. “Instead, they remain obsessed with disarming the American citizenry, of stripping us of our fundamental right to protect our homes, our lives, and our families.”

“I would note that the calls from liberals for more and more gun controls in the wake of the San Bernardino shootings ignores the fact that California already has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country–so their policies and solutions have already been implemented in California. And to the surprise of no one, the laws failed to prevent this horrific attack.”

Gallups said it all boils down to living a balanced Christian life.

“We live in a much different world than we did just a decade ago. Believers don’t need to wring their hands or get ridiculous about making “preparations,” but they should definitely be prepared,” he said. “Tough times have come to the world and tougher times than most living Americans have ever seen are coming to our own shores. Those who are prepared to live, defend, and protect – will also be the ones prepared to share the love of Jesus with the lost world around them. And that is the main reason the people of God are here in the first place.”


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What will happen one of these days is that someone will start shooting, and then all the concealed carry guys will start shooting, and nobody will know who the bad guys are and who the good guys are. After some considerable casualties, of bystanders and gun-wielders alike, maybe some sense will get knocked into the collective American mind. Fact is, it is hard enough even with a lot of training, for the police to handle a shooting situation with no collateral damage, let alone all these fantasy Rambos.
A visitor arriving in Wichita, Kansas in 1873, the heart of the Wild West era, would have seen signs declaring, "Leave Your Revolvers At Police Headquarters, and Get a Check."

A check? That's right. When you entered a frontier town, you were legally required to leave your guns at the stables on the outskirts of town or drop them off with the sheriff, who would give you a token in exchange. You checked your guns then like you'd check your overcoat today at a Boston restaurant in winter. Visitors were welcome, but their guns were not.
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in another thread Shiv saar was theorizing about the american penchant for declaring themselves as cool and righteous and any member of their flock who does something wrong as unAmerican and unCool. in this I agree its == to how some muslims claim that muslim terrorists are not muslim.

but rather than ONLY the later layers of sophisticated conditioning and media control imposed in america, if we drill down to the core, its the two desert religions which are the fountainhead of such zero-sum ideas because only by converting and securing space for themselves and demonizing the competing religions of the time, could they gain traction and spread through political patronage and swords. neither of these two will ever acknowledge the righteousness of any other religion, aeons older than them and the right of people to seek their own salvation via their alternative paths. as zero-sum as it goes.

both are growth oriented cos which have no idea how to exist in a stable market share. either they have to 'grow' by inorganic or organic means or they descend into war.

christianity and islam have been in a state of constant war for 1300 years now. the two world war time periods pale into comparison with this long running content.

also poor republicans vote for their leaders not because 'being rich is glorious' and all that, but because they are perceived as more religious, more in tune with the christian right, and more aligned on various issues like abortion, immigration, white issues and gun control.
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It's a marketing video. Nasty fu(k getting rid of old stock probably. The Shyte begins with "the fact is:..."
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yes its marketing ... but note the political message being delivered .... and the anxieties it seeks to stoke and profit from.

the gun lobby operates in the same way. everytime someone high up opens mouth to say "gun control", sales skyrocket as people rush to get a couple more guns just in case sales are stopped. and high capacity mags.

and when the police melt away at the wrong time, people have no option but to exercise the use case for toting a lot of guns
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TOI had a interview with a 72 yr old grandma who said she carries a concealed carry permit handgun to wal mart these days, which she did not earlier, coz you never know...american values are always under attack by evil people
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I hope the mods would permit a bit of leeway here. I post a post about air strikes in Syria from a professional forum I infrequently visit. This post is by a "Lord Snooty Trough" - the typical British Lord who loves to believe he is fair and has the best judgement amongst all mankind. It does warm the cockles of my heart to see the general dejection that even the highly placed second tier elite feel about the future of Britain ergo their own position in the world.
Dostoyevsky was a literary genius. I read Crime and Punishment, The Idiot and The Brothers Karamisov when I was a teenager.
But he was also a bit of a nutter.
Whatever I might not disagree with him about western liberalism , in that it is showing real evidence recently of containing the seeds of its own destruction.
Faced with threats from a resurgent pseudo-democratic Russian dictatorship, a burgeoning Chinese autocracy, and Islamo-fascist militancy, it is increasingly demoralised, engaging in futile self excoriation and doubt.
History may look back in horror at this period as the fall of a basically decent liberal democratic west because it lacked the will for its own self defence and preservation.
Humanity could lose all that has been gained over the last 200 years and revert to a period of brutal conflict, religious repression and loss of all personal freedoms, including most importantly freedom of expression.
In other words, a new dark age.
We are not helped by the absurd conspiracy theorists who latch onto little generally unrelated nuggets of accepted fact and mix it with a healthy dose of utter bollox to undermine confidence in the whole concept of western democracy.
Much of what am reading here I have seen many times before from Putin's RT propaganda machine.
This of course does not surprise me, but the fact that otherwise intelligent human beings give it so much credence is utterly depressing.
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IMO, one or two more ISIS attacks on the US, and we will see President Trump on Nov 9, 2016. He's tapping into an American angst, and because the (relatively sane) people simply cannot bring themselves to be truthful, and so they can't be trusted.
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Trump will be having real estate deals with the Sheikhs, all carefully sanitized from public view Remember Bush was portrayed as compassionate conservative in 2000 elections.

This is one way to channel White anger and sense of helplessness like was done by Reagan and Bush.
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^^^ The MSNBC theory about why Trump said "don't allow any Muslims into America, including American citizens" is that he wants to blow up his own campaign, because he's getting bored of it or something, and is afraid that he might actually get nominated.
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I have a good semi-mutu-ish friend of mine, card carrying brahmin bong secular(not so now!), who has suddenly seen the light with the belief of a convert and come down hard on the faithful. it has finally dawned on him that none are safe , not even in mighty fortress amrika.

seems a white colleague of his had helped a tsp woman on a short visit on some research project. after buying a lot of groceries, she said her life's goal was to give up her life for jihad and the liberation of kashmir.
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Stupid logic in the article, but that logic cannot go until they allow the collection of statistics about guns and research the outcomes of shootings.

If Ramar Pillai says he made petrol out of piss and the law says that he is not required to offer proof, then Ramar Pillai's petrol becomes fact by default. So what the gun toting folks in the US say become facts by default because nothing else is allowed. And this is America sounding more and more like Pakistan.

The article speaks of high body counts not being allowed by armed citizens. Somehow America seems to count its success in terms of body counts. That was done in Vietnam where Viet Cong body counts were higher. Jihadis use the same logic. They say if you kill two before you get killed you are ahead. Jihadis/bad people are not stupid. They always target the weakest, where they have the greatest chance of success.

They have successfully put mainland US on the defensive.
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the elite political master class is telling us that guns are the problem.

huge mistrust on that point by the yeomanry.

we see the animal farm rules on college campuses and other citadels of "knowledge" and elitism and these guys are telling us that guns are the problem?

and then, they want us to fight their wars for them. *and complain when we piss on the enemies dead bodies*

the Alt Right has got some valid points, xenophobia or not.

the largest single person mass killing was done by a ethnic Korean at Virginia Tech. 33 people.

the largest attack was master minded by an Egyptian from Hamburg Germany using Saudi henchmen. 3,000 people.

no, we are not giving up our guns.
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I have read of off-duty armed police officers lending a hand in certain issues like ongoing robberies etc but never of a armed citizen being able to 'resolve' such a 'situation' ... and too few real terror attacks in USA so far to comment either way. sometimes shopkeepers do protect their shops from looting or robberies successfully and thats a good thing.

time will tell I suppose how useful it is. I doubt putinji is going to invade the CONUS in a 'red dawn' type thing which the freemen and doomsday preppers are arming themselves for :mrgreen:
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The Hollywood made a movie called 'The Russians Are Coming' on precisely the same xenophobic sentiment. Of course it was a humorous take on the state of affairs, then.
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http://www.seattlepi.com/news/crime/art ... 682899.php

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — The caretaker at a Philadelphia mosque said he found a severed pig's head outside on the sidewalk, and police were investigating whether someone may have thrown it out a car window.
The caretaker told police he found the head near the door of the Al Aqsa Islamic Society when he arrived around 6 a.m. Monday.
Police said surveillance video shows a red pickup slowing down in front of the mosque on Sunday night. The truck then circles the block and someone throws an object from the passenger window as it passes a second time.
The Quran, the holy book of Islam, prohibits Muslims from eating pork, and pigs have been used to taunt or offend Muslims. Last year, attackers in Greece placed a severed pig's head and painted anti-Muslim slogans outside an Islamic studies center in Athens.
The incident in Philadelphia was condemned by Mayor-elect Jim Kenney.
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Singha wrote:http://www.seattlepi.com/news/crime/art ... 682899.php

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — The caretaker at a Philadelphia mosque said he found a severed pig's head outside on the sidewalk, and police were investigating whether someone may have thrown it out a car window.
The caretaker told police he found the head near the door of the Al Aqsa Islamic Society when he arrived around 6 a.m. Monday.
Police said surveillance video shows a red pickup slowing down in front of the mosque on Sunday night. The truck then circles the block and someone throws an object from the passenger window as it passes a second time.
The Quran, the holy book of Islam, prohibits Muslims from eating pork, and pigs have been used to taunt or offend Muslims. Last year, attackers in Greece placed a severed pig's head and painted anti-Muslim slogans outside an Islamic studies center in Athens.
The incident in Philadelphia was condemned by Mayor-elect Jim Kenney.
Once there is critical mass, there will be stone throwing and riots over such incidents just like in India. It's only a question of when.
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>>yes its marketing ... but note the political message being delivered .... and the anxieties it seeks to stoke and profit from.

No disagreement there. I was just upset at the way the guy was exploiting the ordinary folk over the tragedy. Can you imagine, some guy trying this stunt in India?
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>>the Alt Right has got some valid points, xenophobia or not.

And that's the nub of the issue. Left liberals have rendered themselves irrelevant, with the Islamists helping them on the way. Now we need a right-liberal view (or a rational right view), or shyte is truly going to hit the fan. If a presidential candidate, a leading one, can demand an end to Muslim immigration into the US (even temporarily) and get cheered by his public for that, we are certainly in for interesting times. The other candidates all have called him various names, but as I said before - Trump will tell the truth. It's a Hail Mary pass (a wonderful American expression), but the public might just catch it and touchdown next November. IS and their facilitators/felicitators in Saudi/Qatar/Turkey will certainly help.
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a rubicon has been crossed with a leading repub candidate daring to speak in public what was politically incorrect to say at high levels and standing by it. I think all the silent sympathizers who were dreaming of jihad while enjoying the fruits of america with impunity should be worried. if the political support is there, americans can be pretty ruthless when they have to be...and muslims are only a small % of their pop vs EU and have almost no political clout.
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Singha wrote:a rubicon has been crossed with a leading repub candidate daring to speak in public what was politically incorrect to say at high levels and standing by it. I think all the silent sympathizers who were dreaming of jihad while enjoying the fruits of america with impunity should be worried. if the political support is there, americans can be pretty ruthless when they have to be...and muslims are only a small % of their pop vs EU and have almost no political clout.
I don't wish this, we don't want the rubicon to be crossed for such minor pin pricks while the deep state still supports TSP. I want the deep state to be personally hit so that they become anti-TSP.
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^^Correct GD. Think also of the ramifications in EU when the left libs there are not given the time of day by Amirkhan. The permutations and combinations of potential screw ups are mind boggling. Just as National,Front truly emerges on the national stage in France. Merkel's successor candidates are Already hedging bets, and whither Cameron then. Drifting steadily rightward as he has been doing. The local moderate Muslims will contribute to the drift in EU.

Run of the mill politicking for us of course. Maybe they need some consultants over in the US or Europe, the kind super-versed in taking Shyte to the edge, looking at the abyss, smiling and stepping back for the next round.
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Aditya I think the deep state is already anti-tsp. They were useful, but now not so much. That's why somewhere I said its tsp's last chance, the NSA overture.
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TSJones wrote:the elite political master class is telling us that guns are the problem.

huge mistrust on that point by the yeomanry.

we see the animal farm rules on college campuses and other citadels of "knowledge" and elitism and these guys are telling us that guns are the problem?

and then, they want us to fight their wars for them. *and complain when we piss on the enemies dead bodies*

the Alt Right has got some valid points, xenophobia or not.

the largest single person mass killing was done by a ethnic Korean at Virginia Tech. 33 people.

the largest attack was master minded by an Egyptian from Hamburg Germany using Saudi henchmen. 3,000 people.

no, we are not giving up our guns.
And no one can make Americans give up their guns. In fact if I had settled in the US I would probably have owned 5 guns and said the same thing myself.

This San Bernardino issue has simply intruded into the gun debate. Technically if Americans had to give up guns because of this terror attack they should have given up airliners in 2001. In this case the topic of guns is a digression. The point is that Islamists have hit America using what is available locally, making use of holes in the system. There was an American cockiness about the safety of their nation from attack (apart from tornadoes) which was changed permanently after 9-11 - making air travel different from what it used to be. Everyone is used to it now I guess but there are still security issues with flying in the US that are plain irritating. Islamists did that to the US.

Now they have used the US's second amendment for their job. If nut jobs can use guns why not Islamists? You cannot tell an Islamist from the next guy if he doesn't want you to know. After 9-11 there was increased all round security - not only at airports but in flying schools - checking the background of those who join. Someting will change regarding gun ownership. I don't know what. If it is business as usual it won;t be long before another nutter does his thing.
we see the animal farm rules on college campuses and other citadels of "knowledge" and elitism and these guys are telling us that guns are the problem?
This is a problem statement because citadels of knowledge demand a degree of honesty. Are cars useful? Are cars dangerous? What is the data? You can look at the data

Similarly are guns useful? Are guns dangerous? But there is no data. Only rhetoric. So when it comes to guns science and research is disallowed and bullshit reigns. This is Pakistan to a T
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JE Menon wrote:Aditya I think the deep state is already anti-tsp. They were useful, but now not so much. That's why somewhere I said its tsp's last chance, the NSA overture.
Somehow I don't believe this. And I don't think even Trump can do anything. Talk is cheap if you are not President. Once you become prez advisers will tell you how useful he Pakistanis are and how bold they are in keeping Islamism away and how they need to be supported against extremism and how they fear #Intolerant Hindu extremist India

The US is not yet ready to stop being taken for a ride. 14 dead is peanuts. Pakis are clever and they have the US by its balls. A thousand little cuts. Some in the US. Some in Afghanistan. A few in Europe. etc. Not Arab stupidity like 9-11.
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Two Fox News commentators were suspended on Monday for using profanities while criticizing President Obama on Monday.

Ralph Peters, a Fox News "strategic analyst," called the president a "total pu---" who "doesn't want to hurt our enemies."

A couple of hours later Stacey Dash, a Fox contributor, said the president "didn't give a sh--" about Sunday night's terrorism speech.

"Earlier today, Fox contributors Lt. Col. Ralph Peters and Stacey Dash made comments on different programs that were completely inappropriate and unacceptable for our air," Fox senior executive vice president Bill Shine said.
"Fox Business Network and Fox News Channel do not condone the use of such language, and have suspended both Peters and Dash for two weeks," he said.
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in the US, the current ideological struggle is between the globalists vs the nationalists. The globalists are so far winning by tainting the nationalists as xenophobic racists.

Thus the globalists will install Hillary as our next president.

However as further heinous crimes are committed by foreigners on our soil, the globalists will see a greater portion of the population become nationalists.

The globalists will try all sorts of reality inversion such "crazy white man with a gun" scenarios but I don't think it will work in the long run.

Are there psycho white guys with guns? Yes. But there are also a lot of psycho minorities with guns.

One thing is for sure, France has very strict gun laws, and its Muslim minority has made that a cruel joke.

So it will be in the US as minority gangs, a number of them foreign, as well as foreign infiltrators have proven.

Therefore, I will not disarm even though I comport myself in day to day activities unarmed. It is my free *choice*.
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JE Menon wrote:Aditya I think the deep state is already anti-tsp. They were useful, but now not so much. That's why somewhere I said its tsp's last chance, the NSA overture.
If US attitude wrt Pakistan has to change. It will be with the next generation. (lost my entire post as power went of)...thanks to Nidderamiah! :(
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TSJones wrote: However as further heinous crimes are committed by foreignersPakistanis on our soil, the globalists sickularists will see a greater portion of the population become nationalistssupporters of Hindutva.
In India.. just sayin
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partha wrote:
Singha wrote:http://www.seattlepi.com/news/crime/art ... 682899.php

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — The caretaker at a Philadelphia mosque said he found a severed pig's head outside on the sidewalk, and police were investigating whether someone may have thrown it out a car window.
The caretaker told police he found the head near the door of the Al Aqsa Islamic Society when he arrived around 6 a.m. Monday.
Police said surveillance video shows a red pickup slowing down in front of the mosque on Sunday night. The truck then circles the block and someone throws an object from the passenger window as it passes a second time.
The Quran, the holy book of Islam, prohibits Muslims from eating pork, and pigs have been used to taunt or offend Muslims. Last year, attackers in Greece placed a severed pig's head and painted anti-Muslim slogans outside an Islamic studies center in Athens.
The incident in Philadelphia was condemned by Mayor-elect Jim Kenney.
Once there is critical mass, there will be stone throwing and riots over such incidents just like in India. It's only a question of when.
This requires at least 4 ROTFLS
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Pigs head is a two edged sword. I can put one outside my own place of worship and claim someone else done it and I am victim
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TSJones wrote:in the US, the current ideological struggle is between the globalists vs the nationalists. The globalists are so far winning by tainting the nationalists as xenophobic racists.

Thus the globalists will install Hillary as our next president.

However as further heinous crimes are committed by foreigners on our soil, the globalists will see a greater portion of the population become nationalists.
There are no nationalists in US or atleast in places where they can do anything. The globalists have taken over and the so-called nationalists now are secret globalists.

Since the crimes are being engineered by globalists in US, I doubt the agenda is to make people more nationalists. Nations don't exist when World Govt. comes. They have other agendas.

Like the so-called republican Donald Trump is likely a controlled opposition.
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TSJones wrote:in the US, the current ideological struggle is between the globalists vs the nationalists. The globalists are so far winning by tainting the nationalists as xenophobic racists.
Actually, the nationalists have a rush to exert American muscularity to crush ISIS in Syria and Iraq, and so on and so forth; the globalists know committing US troops abroad won't solve anything.

Both sides are clueless as to what to actually do.

Neither side is even truthful.
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It is foolish to think that two parties mean two different policies. US state policy remains consistent even as voters oscillate between the two parties.
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per a usa today survey.

WEEK 15 RANKINGS

1. DONALD TRUMP (LAST WEEK: 1)

2. TED CRUZ (2)

3. MARCO RUBIO (3)

4. BEN CARSON (4)

5. CHRIS CHRISTIE (6)

6. JEB BUSH (5)

7. JOHN KASICH (8)

8. CARLY FIORINA (7)

9. RAND PAUL (9)

10. MIKE HUCKABEE (10)

11. LINDSEY GRAHAM (11)

12. RICK SANTORUM (12)

13. GEORGE PATAKI (13)

14. JIM GILMORE (14)
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Mass Murder and Identity Politics
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... ical-islam

The article correctly pinpoints Islamism, but here is where the article is wrong. Here is an American mind imagining things without understanding why these morons go to America
Ostensibly, people leave the Middle East for the West, in particular Europe and the United States, because it is an oasis, not the hellhole many of them came from. We take for granted clean water, uncontaminated food, competent medical treatment, religious tolerance, economic opportunity, meritocratic hiring, political freedom, and respect for the individual regardless of birth, class, and status. But that bundle is non-existent even in the elite Gulf enclaves. Those Western characteristics are apparently universal human wants, and they drive even Middle Eastern Muslims to seek out otherwise entirely foreign landscapes of quite different cultures and attitudes.
The above paragraph is the bullshit that Americans like to believe about themselves without understanding some basic realities of even countries like Pakistan let alone gulf countries

Clean water, uncontaminated food and competent medical treatment are available to the rich elite of all these countries at cheaper rates than in the US. Meritocratic hiring is only for poverty stricken SDREs. The elite of rich Muslim countries want the choice of what America has to offer along with the advantages that they have in their countries.

Americans are suckers for praise. tell them that you are escaping from mediocrity to go to a land of opportunity and wealth they will fall for it. It is the elite and wealthy of many nations who go to America. Not the poor and hungry. But Americans think immigrants are escaping poverty and hunger. I betcha the poor who are allowed in will be grateful to the US. The elite are the ones who become radicals. The US cannot understand this.

Americans tend to imagine that all people coming to America are leading lousy lives in their home countries because Americans are brainwashed to think that nothing good can exist outside America. Those of us who lead perfectly privileged lives outside the US and have no intention or need to get to the US to get a better life can see the US's blindness clearly. For many people going to the US means a deterioration of lifestyle and wealth. But many wealthy people go to get benefits of two countries - a Paki gets better sex from American girls although he may be wealthy and powerful in Pakistan. He wants his male dominant power and control over wimmens in the US and remembers sharia and becomes all pious.
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A_Gupta wrote:
TSJones wrote:in the US, the current ideological struggle is between the globalists vs the nationalists. The globalists are so far winning by tainting the nationalists as xenophobic racists.
Actually, the nationalists have a rush to exert American muscularity to crush ISIS in Syria and Iraq, and so on and so forth; the globalists know committing US troops abroad won't solve anything.

Both sides are clueless as to what to actually do.

Neither side is even truthful.
nobody is rushing to fight in Iraq or Syria. at least not in my social circles. what we are sick of is failed nation building in savage cultures.

suburban couch potatoes are the muscle of the globalist's military but secretly or not so secretly, the globalists despise us for our love of weapons and willing to stupidly kill for their global aims and goals. we need to educate young ones that they could die for nothing, zero. zip. nada. and there is no joy mowing down undisciplined third worlders who are more than willing to die just for the opportunity to kill ONE American.

the nationalists/yeomanry know the lesson of Sherman's march through Georgia.

the globalists don't want that because they make money off of globalism.

if nothing else globalists earn enormous speaking fees about how to save the world as they try to destroy their own middle class.

and receive political money from countries who benefit like China.
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^^ I kind of agree with TSJ.....the middle class in america has not seen its living and savings stds rise since the 1960s per some studies. even young highly educated people are left in trouble by high realty prices. the midwest and great lakes has been denuded of mass manufacturing decent union jobs with benefits that formed the bedrock of the old middle middle class. the only manufacturing that seems to be booming is the arms industry. old age poverty must be silently rising.

someone like the Atlantic should go a study of 50 UGs in core engg field who took jobs in core engg and 50 who were lucky enough to get into fbook/google/apple and track how they are faring after 5 years out of college in terms of well being, finances, relationships, fixed assets.

the same shallow elitist mentality that claims "india can ride on itvity to development, bangalore hero, nagpur zero" has put SFO/bay area/few research univs on a pedestal claiming thats how the entire country the size of continent should be and nothing more is needed.

continent sized countries like usa and india need ranges of jobs to fit the numbers and education bands all the way from unskilled manual labour to "deep thinkers" who design new algorithms only.
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places like nyc, paris, london, la are the investment destinations, illegal money havens and summer playgrounds of the wealthy elite of muslim nations for sure. some of these arrogant people even fly in their own supercars to vroom vroom and wow the instagram posting crowd, pickup ladies from cathouses. and the really hard up never have the funds and family/education to make it to amrika....its usually the educated middle class or rich scions from these nations....thats the case with india NRIs also.
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NYT today:
Walmart’s Imports From China Displaced 400,000 Jobs, a Study Says
By HIROKO TABUCHIDEC. 9, 2015

Imports from China by Walmart, the nation’s largest retailer and biggest importer, eliminated or displaced over 400,000 jobs in the United States between 2001 and 2013, according to an estimate by the Economic Policy Institute, a progressive research group that has long targeted Walmart’s policies.

The jobs, mostly in manufacturing, represent about 13 percent of the 3.2 million jobs displaced over those same years that the study attributes to the United States’ goods trade deficit with China. Walmart’s Chinese imports amounted to at least $49 billion in 2013, according to the study, which was based on trade and labor data. Over all, the United States’ trade deficit with China hit $324 billion that year.

“Walmart is one of the major forces pulling imports into the United States,” said Robert E. Scott, an economist at the institute and the study’s author. “And the jobs we’re losing are good-paying manufacturing jobs, which pay higher wages and provide better benefits.”
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comparison with germany is telling:
http://www.epi.org/publication/exchange-rate-policies/
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