The Islamic State, the Indian Sub-Continent & its Neighbourhood

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Nov 2015 09:10

150 IS ‘supporters’ in South India - Josy Joseph, The Hindu

A brother and sister who received over Rs. 50,000 from a mysterious benefactor to prepare their travel documents, an MBA holder and his wife, a Google employee, brother of a SIMI activist killed by the police, and several engineering students.

There is no set pattern for the kind of Islamic State sympathisers under watch by Indian agencies, except that most of them are from the southern States, and many have an engineering background.

18 from Telangana

Agencies are believed to be monitoring up to 150 youths. Among them at least 18 are from Telangana, and many from Tamil Nadu.

“It may well be that these States have better surveillance. Or it could well be reflective of the reality,” an official said about the large number of south Indian Muslims being under the scanner.

In Telangana, a 21-year-old youth from a middle class family seems to be a key figure motivating people.

Among those who have bought into his efforts is his sister, who is probably willing to travel to Syria as a nurse. Their parents seem to have no idea of their secret life.

Officials suspect four others are also part of this group that may have made elaborate plans to go to Syria.

Shanu · Post by **Shanu** » 22 Nov 2015 10:06

A few more details from the following link.. the link is from PakToday, so exercise your discretion.

http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2015/11 ... -its-soil/

Anyways, quoting the important portions below.

Foreign Secretary Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry recently categorically ruled out the possibility that the Islamic State (IS) had any presence in Pakistan.

Chaudhry went onto assert that Pakistan was fully capable of keeping IS at bay, and that no one would be allowed to have links with the terror organisation. These assertions were made at a time when Maulana Abdul Aziz was simultaneously reiterating his need to transform Pakistan into a proper Shari’a compliant country.

For those who don’t know, apart from being the leader of Lal Masjid — the one which garnered a military action from the Pakistani authorities and yet continues to stand — Aziz is also the man who has previously written love letters to IS.

2015 itself has seen IS peppered into the news. Security forces arrested an IS commander in January, while two others who were recruiting and exporting fighters to Syria were also taken into custody. The cost of one human fighter? $600.

Najibullah Quraishi has covered war in Afghanistan and recently infiltrated IS camps. His work shows that the terror group is making itself comfortable in the areas it has taken over.

On the threat to Pakistan he said, “They were more against Pakistan than Afghanistan, their aims are to go after Pakistan, Afghanistan, China, Tajikistan, Iran and Uzbekistan. funnily, no India.I’m talking about the groups that I was with,” he said.

Quraishi’s work comes after eight months of effort. It shows IS spreading out with few problems. While some Taliban are joining ranks with the IS, others are fighting against it. The terror group is also actively recruiting children into its ranks.

Afghanistan’s entire peace process has been destabilised after talks between the government and the Taliban were torpedoed by Da’ish. Pakistan’s shared border with Afghanistan is fractured and ineffective — and in some areas missing altogether. When the country has historically had trouble keeping the Taliban out — a fact reiterated repeatedly by the ISPR post Badaber — what can it possibly do to keep IS out?

The foreign office source, however, said that the areas in which IS is operating currently are not linked to Pakistan. So infiltration will not be happening anytime soon.

Muhammad Amir Rana, a security and political analyst and Pak Institute for Peace Studies (PIPS) director, thinks that the IS threat is a very real one.

“I think the foreign office’s statement is a contradictory statement to the Chief of Army Staff (COAS) Raheel Sharif’s statement a few weeks ago, where admitted that IS is here, and also acknowledged that it will be a major threat in the future. This means that some evidence is available which proved that they are present in Pakistan,” Rana told Pakistan Today.

Rana feels that the military can keep Da’ish out.

“Right now the military has proved that it is capable of dismantling terrorism networks. An increased level of vigilance is needed,” he said.

“Yes, we can’t rule out terror attacks. They can do it but right now their focus is first to creating safe haven in Afghanistan. In the future, things could be different. They can pose multiple types of threats, right now we cannot predict what they will do,” Rana said.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 22 Nov 2015 11:46

shiv wrote:
ramana wrote:I would keep an eye on all in India who supported Paris attacks implicitly for they are IS sympathizers.
IMO this needs to be more nuanced. Congress use the same logic about Modi - anyone who supports Modi is a murderer of Muslims.

Except that the difference is clear : no demonstrable crime was committed by Modi or his government, whereas the murderous nature of IS and their actions in Paris are clearly there for all to see.

Others have also argued that we should not have intervened in Bangladesh in '71 because Pakistan uses the "same" excuse to intervene in Kashmir. That doesn't mean that the two cases are the same or even similar.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 22 Nov 2015 20:53

Anyone who creates conditions where ISIL can hire from local talent pool need to be watched. Considerable efforts need to be made to improve police and to let locals get arms for defense. Even in Afghanistan some locals are selling cattle - mode of survival - for purchasing guns.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Nov 2015 06:02

IS ‘sympathiser’ from Karnataka held in Dubai - Imran Gowhar, The Hindu

A youth in his mid-20s, hailing from Karnataka’s coastal town of Bhatkal {Bhatkal is the Bekaa or FATA of IndiA} and accused of handling a Twitter account of the banned Islamic State, has been detained by the police in the United Arab Emirates on a tip-off from the Telangana police in March this year, it has now emerged.

The detention of Adnan Hassan Damudi in Dubai came after his efforts to woo youth from Telangana to the IS were tracked, sources in the Intelligence Bureau confirmed to The Hindu .

The sources said Damudi, who went to Dubai in 2012 to take up an accountant’s job, started tweeting IS propaganda. They said that not only did he woo a few youths from Telangana, but he also assured them of travel documents and travel expenses.

The Telangana police foiled the attempt and reported his activities to the Dubai police through the Ministry of Home Affairs. The sources said Damudi had been in the UAE custody since March and the investigating agencies were trying to prepare a detailed report to get him extradited. Information on his local contacts who were in touch with him through Twitter and Facebook were being gathered.

The second charge sheet against Mehdi Masroor Biswas, 24, suspected of running a social media handle for the banned outfit from the city, hasn’t yet been filed as the police “await a response” from Google.

In January, the city police asked Google, which runs an email service and a search engine, for information on the activities of Biswas who has been in judicial custody for over 11 months. The police picked him up from his apartment at Jalahalli on December 13, 2014, on the suspicion that he was running the pro-IS account @ShamiWitness. In June 2015, the police filed a charge sheet. He has been booked on the charges of unlawful activities, criminal conspiracy, supporting terrorist outfits and waging war against the state.

The police suspect Biswas ran multiple e-mail accounts which they could not access. “We are yet to get a response from Google. The access and information provided will help to file an additional charge sheet,” said M. Chandrashekhar, Joint Commissioner of Police (Crime).

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Nov 2015 06:17

IS calls Bangladesh new battleground - Haroon Habib, The Hindu

The Islamic State (IS) militant group has warned that it is preparing for fresh attacks in Bangladesh “to rise and expand in Bengal.”

The group dedicated a full article to their activities in Bangladesh or "Bengal" as it refers to the country in the latest edition of its online propaganda magazine Dabiq where its strategic expansion to countries like Bangladesh is discussed at length.

The article titled The Revival of Jihad in Bengal claimed that while IS was busy preparing for further attacks, the secular Awami League government continued to “twist the facts” on the ground and play a blame game. That perhaps refers to the claims by the Bangladesh government that there was no Islamic State presence in the country and that elements out to destabilise it were behind the murders of two foreigners.

The IS also referred to the Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP)-Jamaat alliance as a ‘coalition of murtaddin (apostates)’.

“The former government, which consisted mainly of a coalition of murtaddin from both the BNP and the Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh, foolishly thought that the call of tawhid, jihad, and khilafah would be crushed by the martyrdom of a few righteous scholars,” read a paragraph of the article.

However, the IS article calls the banned Islamic militant outfit Jamaatul Mujahideen Bangladesh (JMB) a “proper jihad organisation in Bangladesh based on the Kuran and Sunnah.”

“A security cell belonging to the soldiers of the Khilafah in Bengal assassinated an Italian crusader named Cesare Tavella on the streets of Gulshan in the city of Dhaka … only days later another security cell targeted a Japanese citizen in the northern region of Rangpur,” the magazine said reiterating its claim earlier circulated by the U.S. based monitoring website, SITE, of carrying out the attacks.

“These back-to-back attacks have caused havoc among the citizens of the crusader nations and their allies living in Bengal and forced their diplomats, tourists and expats to limit their movements and live in a constant state of fear,” it claimed.

The article claimed that Bangladesh had been drowned in “shirk and bidah” - polytheism and religious innovation for hundreds of years due to the “effects of both European colonisation and Hindu cultural invasion.”

It concluded by saying that the soldiers of the so-called caliphate would continue to rise and expand in “Bengal” and would continue to carry out acts of terrorism

'Boasting' about Paris attacks

In the magazine, IS boasted that its “brave knights” brought Paris “down on its knees.” The issue of the English-language online magazine also talked about the horrific multiple attacks in Paris which claimed over 130 lives.

“France haughtily began executing air strikes against the Khilafah. Like Russia, it was blinded by hubris [arrogance], thinking that its geographical distance from the lands of the Khilafah would protect it,” the magazine read.

IS also put out images of what it claims to be the bomb that downed a Russian jet last month, killing over 220 people. The photograph shows a soft drink can and two components that appear to be a detonator and a switch.

Quoting the article, USA’s NBC News reported that the militant group IS is displaying a “voracious appetite” for conventional military conquests, an expansion into countries such as Bangladesh. It also said U.S. and allied counterterrorism officials are scrutinising the publication for indications of what IS might do next.

It mentioned that, in a separate article, IS described Bangladesh as a new battleground as it continues its strategic expansion.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 23 Nov 2015 06:19

^^ Would we have to get involved again as in 71? It will easily over-spill onto us.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Nov 2015 16:19

ISIS dismisses Lashkar-e-Taiba as puppet of Pakistani army - ToI

The discomfiture of jihad groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba with the Islamic State lies in the organization's contemptuous dismissal of them as al-Qaida allies who are puppets in the hands of the Pakistan army which itself is an "apostate", and therefore, illegitimate force.

In its online magazine 'Dabiq', the IS runs down LeT and some other anti-India groups active in Jammu & Kashmir for a stop-start war that is inconsistent as it is dependent on the instructions of the Pakistan army instead of being relentless and unsparing in attacking enemies.

"In India, they (al-Qaida) are the allies of the nationalist Kashmir factions whose advances and withdrawals are only by the order of the apostate Pakistani army. In North Africa, they are the allies of Libyan factions who partook in the religion of democracy in the name of Islam," says the IS post.

Lashkar's denial of any IS role in Kashmir is seen as a reaction to the putdown as also a reflection of a concern that the 'Caliphate' may be gaining an increasing number of followers among disaffected youth. The presence of IS flags in demonstrations this year have been noticed by Indian intelligence agencies too.

The tussle also indicates the Islamic State's impatience with jihadist outfits that are slow in recognizing its supremacy and the leadership of its 'Khalifah (Caliph)' Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi.

The post does not elaborate on its description of the Pakistan army as apostate but the reasons may lie in the hostilities that it is engaged in against Islamic extremists in northwest Pakistan and it being part of a system of governance that has an "elected" Parliament and a government that, according to IS, militates against religious law.

Groups like the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan have previously levelled similar charges and the brutal attack on a school for children of military personnel in Peshawar was seen as evidence of this. According to the TTP, the family members of such an allegedly heretical force were legitimate targets of jihadist violence.

For the LeT, the reference is embarrassing as it points to its close links with the Pakistan army and pokes holes in the fiction that it is an "indigenous" force fighting for the Kashmiri cause {LeT is embarrassed not for the reason given here, but the fact that IS now claims the mantle of being greener them and also accusing their support, the Pakistani Army as 'apostates'}. The story has now worn very thin given the manner in which LeT chief Hafiz Saeed is feted by the military and treated an a key asset against India.

Lashkar, in turn, has never attacked a Pakistani target and its camps in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir lie in close proximity to the army encampments which facilitate crossings of jihadis into Indian territory. Saeed has also been critical of the IS, saying "foreign elements" are attempting to strengthen 'Daesh' (IS) in Pakistan. He has called on the Nawaz Sharif government to take steps to control the spread of IS. {Obviously, if IS spreads, the LeT would be wiped out and PA will have to fight pitched battles all over Pakistan. A worried China & US would devise a plan to take back the gifted 'crown jewels' and their delivery mechanism.}

Ironically enough, Saeed expressed concern over efforts to spread the evil of the IS in Saudi Arabia and said the Muslim world needs to remain united to combat the challenge.

Shanu · Post by **Shanu** » 23 Nov 2015 23:41

Well things are hotting up, aren't they?

According to IS latest publication, Dabiq, they have now created a separate unit for Bangladesh, like the Khorasan unit in Af-Pak. With an unnamed leader at its helm, this unit can seriously change the dynamics of IS in Indian subcontinent.

http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-spreads-ban ... ia-2196504

I have a feeling that IS loss in Levant is forcing them to diversify their assets and they have already identified our region as one with a high potential. I am basing my observation on the two separate articles in their latest publication - one on Pakistan ('apostate army') and the other on Bangladesh. This is unprecedented level of attention from their side.

And going by the articles referred here, Pakistan's deep state is already rattled. We need to take precautions right now to minimize the spillover. The open border with Bangladesh is of particular concern.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 24 Nov 2015 06:57

Karthik S wrote:^^ Would we have to get involved again as in 71? It will easily over-spill onto us.

Karthiuk S[an]: But, but, but '71 was a success, wasn't it? There is always a way to rationalize spillovers to our advantage. IG ('71), PV (Babri demolition) were masters of that game.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Nov 2015 08:20

Multi-pronged approach to countering IS threat - Josy Joseph, The Hindu

Against the growing tide of Islamic State violence and concerns about its possible domestic repercussions, India toughened its posture on terrorism with Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Monday asking that countries be held accountable for providing terror sanctuaries.{Though this is what is the right approach, India's clarion call will be shrugged off by the Western countries & China who want to 'protect' their clawed paw, Pakistan}

The contours of India’s multi-pronged response to the IS threat emerged even as the post-Paris global response was firming up despite fear writ across the world, from Brussels to the U.S. mainland, of fresh attacks.

New Delhi’s multi-layered stand on terrorism comes against the backdrop of reports indicating that almost 150 Indian youths may have been enticed by the IS ideology, about two dozen Indians are in the Syrian battlefield, and many others have been intercepted while trying to reach the IS sanctuary.

“The world must speak in one voice and act in unison. There will be political, legal, military and intelligence efforts. But, we must do more. Countries also must be held accountable for sanctuaries, support, arms and funds,” Mr. Modi said in Singapore on Monday, delivering the 37th Singapore Lecture.

In India, officials said Mr. Modi would spend almost three days with top intelligence and police officers in December, discussing all security threats, especially those rising from the influence of the IS, the role of social media in violent crimes and left-wing extremism.

Addressing a seminar in New Delhi, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar, meanwhile, highlighted potential new risks as the armed forces transformed into digital militaries at a time when terrorist organisations were aggressively exploiting the Internet and social media. “ISIS is using the Internet to ensure lot of recruitment and support. They are one of the best users of internet technologies for promoting their cause,” Mr. Parrikar said.

Indians inferior: IS

Meanwhile, Indian intelligence agencies said the IS did not consider South Asian Muslims, including Indians and Pakistanis, good enough to fight in the conflict zone of Iraq and Syria, and they were treated inferior to Arab fighters, often being tricked into suicide attacks. Sources said that of the 23 Indians who are believed to be fighting alongside the IS, six have died, an unusually high casualty rate.

Intelligence officials claimed Arab fighters with better battle experience are mostly positioned behind South Asians and hence their casualties are proportionally less.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Nov 2015 10:23

NSA Ajit Doval may meet French President Francois Hollande’s diplomatic advisor in Paris - Dipanjan Roy Chaudhury, Economic Times

National security adviser Ajit Kumar Doval could meet French President Francois Hollande's diplomatic advisor Jacques Audibert later this month to intensify security cooperation including counter-terror partnership in the backdrop of the deadly terror strikes by the Islamic State in Paris.

Doval may meet Audibert on the sidelines of the climate change COP-21 Summit being held in Paris on November 29-30, people familiar with the matter indicated.

Audibert will cochair the dialogue which is expected to expand counter-terror cooperation and efforts at deradicalisation of extremist youth who have been influenced by the IS. The Indo-French Joint Working Group on counter-terrorism on intelligence sharing is also expected to meet in Delhi shortly.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Nov 2015 10:30

Keep youth away from ISIS: Bengaluru Jama Masjid's Maulana - Sowmya Aji, Economic Times

The Maulana of Jama Masjid in Bengaluru, who controls over 6,000 mosques in Karnataka, has issued an alert to the Muslim community to be wary of the ISIS. Maulana Mohammed Maqsood Imran Rasheedi, who hails from Kolar, has said he had issued a directive about a month ago to all the mosques under him that it was a matter of urgency to ensure that young, educated Muslim youth are not lured by ISIS and its ideology.

"Islam is a religion of peace and harmony. What the ISIS is doing is against humanity and has to be condemned in the strongest possible terms," he told in an exclusive interview to ET.

Expressing horror at the recent bloodbaths in Paris and Beirut, the Maulana said: "We were talking about how to tackle this issue within the community itself till now. But now, I think, it is very important that the message we send out to our youth, is made available to the general public across the country, particularly after the recent attacks by ISIS."

The directive issued by the Maulana, a copy of which is with ET, is being circulated, debated and discussed at all Friday prayers and other meetings that the Muslim community is holding in Karnataka. "In the present times, many people with the intention of bringing disrepute to the religion have adopted many serious measures. One of the most popular strategies is using the name of Islam to propagate their own ideologies. Islam has nothing whatsoever to do with any of these ideologies. This ideology and acts are highly condemned by both the religion and the Muslims," the directive says.

It states that what the ISIS and its sister organisations preach is against Islam and Prophet Mohammed's teachings.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Nov 2015 19:32

ISIS's efforts to recruit Indians on: Kiren Rijiju - PTI

ISIS is the latest challenge to India and its efforts to recruit youth from the country are on, the government today said.

"Latest challenge of ours is of ISIS. Although we do not have that level of threat or presence as in Europe but we have to acknowledge that efforts for recruitment (by ISIS) are on," Union Minister of State for Home Kiren Rijiju told reporters here [New Delhi] on the sidelines of a function.

He said security forces have been vigilant and successful in containing the threat posed by the ISIS but steps have to be taken to stop any attempt to radicalise youths.

"India has been successful in containing the situation. But we have to concentrate on youths and work on de- radicalisation, identify areas and institutes where such things can happen," he said.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 24 Nov 2015 20:23

Only a matter of time before ISIS carries out a major terror attack in India. We are a huge reservoir of talent for these guys and they need to up their market share.

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 25 Nov 2015 00:10

^ unlikely to find too many indian recruits but criminal sympathizers and phoren phyter facilitators are likely. mohalla types...they will not push against govt, they are too afraid of the security agencies, the worst ones are criminal types, some are sympathizers and impressed by qeeda types, but very few are likely to take up arms against the country. And yes, a large bunch of them are downright patriots. Most are just trying to find a better lifestyle while holding on to the idea that their religion is the best..

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Nov 2015 07:17

We are tracking two IS killers inside India, says Bangladesh - Kallol Bhattacharjee, The Hindu

State Minister of Home Affairs of Bangladesh Asaduzzaman Khan Kamal told The Hindu on Tuesday that two IS assassins sought by Bangladesh for the October 3 murder of Japanese agro-researcher Kunio Hoshi, have crossed over to India.

“We have alerted Indian authorities about their presence,” Mr. Kamal said.

Senior Home Ministry officials told The Hindu that they were working on the intelligence forwarded by Bangladesh and were trying to track them.

Bangladesh’s claim about the IS killers of Hoshi, hiding in India were the latest after it handed over a list containing 204 names of the “Shirsho Shontrashi” (top terrorists) of Bangladesh reportedly hiding in India.

“We handed over the list containing photographs and even addresses and also discussed the threat from the IS during the Home Secretary-level talks that were held in Dhaka on November 16. The border area around Bangladesh, especially certain regions in West Bengal, Assam and Meghalaya have hideouts that are being used by these terrorists as bases,” Mr. Kamal told The Hindu from Dhaka.

The Minister said though two assassins of the IS had been tracked inside India, the list of 204 has several names belonging to the Jamat ul-Mujahideen (JUM) and the Ansarulallah Bangla, which were violent fundamentalist group waging battle against Bangladesh.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Nov 2015 08:49

Focus now is on counter-radicalisation - Vijaita Singh, The Hindu

First it was Badla (revenge), after Batla House encounter it was Farz (duty) and now it is Deen (religion) — this is the opening line of a secret document prepared by the Telangana Police to explain the influence of the dreaded militant outfit, the Islamic State (IS), in India. {This shows clearly the IM hand, the reference to batala House incident}

Though Indian intelligence agencies were little late to wake up to the dangers posed by the IS, with already six of 23 who joined the fight in Iraq and Syria dead, the agencies and the government have finally put their act together. Nearly 150 people are under watch. There are five women also among the probable recruits who were weaned away through community outreach. The thrust is on counter-radicalisation.

From roping in heads of Muslim religious bodies to issue fatwas against the IS to that of keeping an eye on educational institutions, the agencies are acting behind the curtain to discourage young Muslim men and women from being attracted to the IS.

Though it has always denied there is any influence of the IS here, government has taken multiple steps to counter the outfit.

A senior Home Ministry official told The Hindu that a three-pronged approach was being followed by them. “We have categorised the potential recruits of the IS in three categories — those who have come back, those who are curious about the IS and the ones who want to go.”

“There is no blanket rule to arrest all of them. It is being dealt with on a case-to-case basis. The Islam propagated by the IS is alien to Muslims in India,” said the official.

Another official said: “The concern for India is purely arithmetic as the country has the second largest Muslim population in the world. There is a tiny percentage of Muslims who have joined the IS.”

IS members post religious messages on Facebook and other social media platforms. They then develop contacts with the persons who have shared the post or liked it. These men and women are motivated further by sharing radical videos and pictures. “If seriousness is evinced by the person, the routes and logistics are explained to reach the IS. Phone numbers and Skype IDs are exchanged. The recruit then meets the intermediary and they are encouraged to travel to Syria based on the person’s willingness and drive,” said the official.

The government says it has roped in NGOs to deal with the IS. “Along with those who promote violent extremism, it is important to target extremist ideologies as well,” said the official.

An official said the government was trying to have a wide “overt and covert” presence on the Internet. “Agencies are creating positive Internet content and pushing it across social media. Efforts are on to reduce the appeal of the IS through wide dispersion of counter-radicalisation messages,” said the official. The foremost thing was to find credible interlocutors, who could act as a bridge among the community members, the official said. The government had already brought the Imams on board, who have issued fatwas against the IS. “The Minority Welfare departments should be strengthened through human and material resources. It should be treated on a par with SC/ST departments. It will partner with police and other departments in a creative manner to address the issues of alienation and shared victimhood.”

Account for missing youth

The government has asked all States to step up beat-policing for ground-level intelligence. Special emphasis is being laid on “identifying and accounting for the missing youth in the locality.”

The government is keeping a close eye on places of worship, political ideas and learning, communities, places of work, education, prisons and social network. “All these groups produce groups of like-minded individuals whose shared purpose and experiences build enduring trust and a sense of ‘us, together against the world’ among its members,” said a senior official.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Nov 2015 11:46

Turkey helps deport 15 who wanted to join IS - Vijaita Singh, The Hindu

Last week, two young men from Chennai were deported from Turkey after they tried to enter Syria, probably to join the Islamic State. They were arrested from a hotel near the Turkey-Syria border. Officials say the Turkish authorities have of late been sharing information with Indian agencies.

Turkey has helped to deport at least 15 Indians who planned to cross over to Syria to join the IS.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Nov 2015 17:16

Islamic State can Aid Infiltration into Kashmir: BSF - IANS, New Indian Express

Ceasefire violations by Pakistan has doubled this year, and the Islamic State can help push militants into Jammu and Kashmir from Pakistan, a senior BSF officer said on Thursday.

Speaking to the media, Border Security Force Inspector General Rakesh Gupta said violation of the 2003 truce by Pakistani troops on both the international border and the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir had increased by 100 percent this year as compared to last year.

He said infiltration attempts by guerrillas from Pakistan to Jammu and Kashmir had gone up by 45 percent this year.

Asked about the Islamic State terror group, the official said: "ISIS could help infiltration attempts by other terrorist groups into the state during the coming days."

The media briefing was held to announce that the BSF had bagged the top award in the Swaach Bharat campaign.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Nov 2015 17:51

Pie in the Sky - Dr. Mohammed Taqi, DT
Excerpt

The ISPR director also brushed aside concerns about Islamic State (IS) in Iraq and Syria aka Daesh (Arabic acronym) getting a toehold in Pakistan, saying, “There is zero tolerance for Daesh in Pakistan. Even Daesh’s shadow will not be allowed in Pakistan.” Both comments are, prima facie, heartening, unless one looks closely at what is happening on the ground.

Just as the Pakistani delegation was leaving Washington DC, dozens of corpses were being brought into the Lower Dir region of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa from Afghanistan. At least 22 bodies were buried in Timargarah in a funeral attended by hundreds if not thousands, including some elected officials from Dir. A nazim (mayor), Sahibzada Fasihullah, from Upper Dir confirmed his participation in the funeral to Voice of America’s (VOA’s) Pashto service, Deewa radio. Video clips from the funeral available on social media show that the coffins were wrapped in the flags of a jihadist outfit called al Badr and bore its name. The assembled crowd chanted “sabeelona, sabeelona al-jihad, al-jihad” (our path is jihad). Several Pakistani and local media outlets confirmed that the militants had been killed in a US and/or Afghan security forces strike inside Afghanistan and were then brought to their home area for burial. Al Badr is said to be associated with both the Kashmir-oriented jihadist outfit Hizbul Mujahideen as well as Gulbuddin Hekmatyar’s Hizb-e-Islami Afghanistan. Afghan officials have put the number of Pakistani jihadists killed at upwards of 50.

The Pakistani government and military officials have remained mum over the incident so far but this certainly cannot be the ‘conducive environment’ that is supposed to expedite talks, let alone peace in Afghanistan. Whether or not there is official patronage for such large infiltration of Pakistani jihadists into Afghanistan, it is worrisome for both the countries on multiple counts. Pakistan has generally been patted on the back for the Zarb-e-Azb Operation but that does not mean it should get a free pass for dispersing the hornets into the neighbour’s yard after eliminating their nest at home. A more stringent view is that such dispersal has been taking place by design. In either case, the involvement of Pakistani jihadists first in Kunduz and now in Khost will further sour an already tenuous relationship between the two countries. An even more alarming issue is that many of the Pakistani jihadists are filling the ranks of IS, which is making its presence increasingly felt in eastern Afghanistan. After all, the notoriously brutal thugs from the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), Abu Omar Maqbool Khurasani aka Shahidullah Shahid, Hafiz Saeed Orakzai, Hafiz Daulat Khan, Maulana Gul Zaman, Mufti Hassan and Khalid Mansoor Khurasani pledged allegiance to IS a little over a year ago. Shahidullah Shahid and Gul Zaman were killed in US drone strikes but others like Commander Gul Bali, Abu Bakr and Huzaifa have joined more recently.

It is irresponsible in the extreme to look the other way when these assorted terrorists who had previously operated in Kurram, Orakzai, Bajaur and Khyber tribal agencies, and settled areas like Dir and Peshawar, cross over into Afghanistan and when their corpses are brought back and buried amidst jihadist fanfare. Pakistan should be worried for its own sake if not for Afghanistan’s. The TTP after all was executing people in IS style six years before there was an IS. The fact is that there is enough ideological substrate and abundant manpower for IS to recruit from. IS might not be able to launch a full fledged insurgency in Pakistan or Afghanistan yet but it could certainly unleash havoc if both countries let their guard down. And if not checked in time, IS could replicate the deadly success of its predecessor and now competitor, al Qaeda. The blowback from letting al Qaeda figures like Osama bin Laden and Abu Masab al-Zarqawi have a thoroughfare via Pakistan a couple of decades ago was horrible but letting IS types through would be much worse. Doctrinal differences between the Salafist al Qaeda and predominantly Deobandi local Taliban did not keep them from making a deadly common cause and they sure will not prevent IS Salafists from doing so too. And that is not counting the mega Salafi project of Jamatud Dawa (JuD) and Lashkar-e-Tayyaba (LeT), who actually share antecedents with IS and have been making their own incursions into Afghanistan.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Nov 2015 17:02

IS claims responsibility for attack on Bangladesh Shia shrine; 1 dead - Reuters

Islamic State has claimed responsibility for an attack on a Shia Muslim mosque in Bangladesh on Thursday, killing one person and wounding three as they prayed, the second attack on the country's tiny Shia Muslim community in a month.

Witnesses said three young men stormed into the mosque in northwestern Bogra district and shot at worshippers indiscriminately.

"The attackers entered the mosque and opened fire on the devotees after locking the main gate and then fled immediately after the shooting," police official Ahsan Habib said.

Two people from two nearby villages had been picked up for questioning about the attack, another police officer Arifur Rahman said.

SITE monitoring service said that Islamic State had claimed responsibility for the attack, just as it did for the previous bombing on the biggest Shia shrine in the country.

Muslim-majority Bangladesh has seen a rise in Islamist violence in recent months, with two foreigners, four secular writers and a publisher killed this year.

Tensions have rising since Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina launched a crackdown on militants, putting several leaders on trial for war crimes committed during the 1971 war of independence.

About a dozen Christian priests in the north have also received death threats, a week after an Italian doctor working as a missionary was shot and wounded, police said on Thursday. "We have already stepped up security around the churches," local police chief Abdullah Al Faruk said.

Bangladesh's government has rejected Islamic State claims of involvement in the attacks and says local militants are involved. Critics say the government is whipping up a climate of fear to go after its political rivals.

Earlier on Thursday, police said they had killed a top militant suspected to have masterminded the Oct.24 attack on the Shia shrine in Dhaka. They said he was the military chief of a banned underground militant group.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Nov 2015 06:06

South Indian Muslims more attracted to IS: Kiren Rijiju - ToI

Union minister of state for home affairs Kiren Rijiju has claimed that Islamic State may carry out "lone wolf" terrorist strikes intended to create mayhem anywhere in the country even as the government is taking measures to contain the activities of the outfit.

"Challenges are there. We have to accept that it is a reality. The threat is there," Rijiju said in an interview to a TV channel.

Rijiju was replying to a question on the possibility of an ISIS 'lone wolf' carrying out a terror attack in India on the occasion of the seventh anniversary of the 2008 Mumbai terror attack.

The minister also stated that it has been observed that Muslims from southern states were more "attracted" to ISIS ideology than their north Indian counterparts.

"It is a reality (some South Indian Muslims getting attracted to ISIS). It is a fact. But we should not undermine our vigil in other parts of the country," he said.

Rijiju said the government has been successful in enhancing the security apparatus after the 2008 Mumbai terror attack.

Asked how the government is prepared to face the challenge of ISIS, the minister said anything that threatens the security of the country is taken seriously and the home ministry's mandate is to provide security to the people and the country.

Asked about the incidents of hoisting of the ISIS flag in Jammu and Kashmir, the minister said these were isolated cases and not spread across the state or the country.

Rijiju said some web portals are under watch for their role in spreading ISIS propaganda, but it is important to note that these servers were not located in India.

The Islamic State threat is being seriously viewed by the ministry of home affairs, Intelligence Bureau, Research & Analysis Wing and other agencies and regular meetings are taking place to come up with a robust strategy to avoid any Paris-like attack, say intelligence sources.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Nov 2015 14:29

New Delhi Under Threat of 'Aerial Strikes' From ISIS - ANI

New Delhi is under a serious threat of aerial strikes from different terror outfits including the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), the Ministry of Home Affairs said.

The report said that security agencies have taken necessary steps to foil any such attacks and have prepared a list of 15 key areas in the Indian capital that they fear might be targeted.

The areas under threat, according to the Ministry of Home Affairs, include the Prime Minister’s house, the residences of Home Minister and Vice–President, Rashtrapati Bhavan, Rajpath, India Gate and the CGO Complex that houses the headquarters of key agencies such as the CBI, CISF and BSF.

Various objects like unmanned air system (UAS), drones, and paramotors could be used to launch these attacks, the ministry said.

The security agencies have been instructed to shoot down any unidentified or suspicious flying object once it is declared ‘non-friendly’ by the India Air Force (IAF).

“Delhi is the most sensitive metro in India. It has been facing threats from various outfits. But aerial attack threats are now the main focus. Security and intelligence agencies have given reports about such attacks in Delhi. The government is coming out with a plan to counter the threat,” a top government official was quoted by the Daily Mail as saying.

Last month, a suspected drone had been noticed at the airport in Delhi. However, security agencies are still unable to demystify the incident.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Nov 2015 17:23

Islamic State a live threat, can't be ignored in Valley: Army - Economic Times

The terror group, Islamic State is a live threat that cannot be ignored in the Valley, the top Army officer said today.

"The IS is a live threat that cannot be ignored. It is a cause of concern and we are monitoring it," General officer Commander of Army's 15 Corps Lt General Satish Dua told reporters here.

The Corps Commander, who heads the army in Kashmir, was replying to a question about the possibility of the Islamic State forging an alliance with the militant outfits like Lashkar-e-Toiba and Jaishe-e-Mohammad for expanding its activities to the valley.

"All the security forces and the intelligence agencies are monitoring this. That is all I can say," Lt Gen Dua said.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 30 Nov 2015 11:44

Fighting the Islamic State: Role of the P-5 Nations and India - Gurmeet Kanwal, IDSA

In the course of one week in November 2015, militants from Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi’s self-proclaimed Islamic Caliphate – also called ISIS, ISIL and Daesh – struck multiple targets in Beirut, Paris and Mali. Earlier, on October 31, ISIS claimed to have brought down a Russian civilian aircraft flying from Sharm al-Sheikh to St. Petersburg.

The ISIS militia, numbering between 20,000 and 30,000, now controls approximately 300,000 square kilometre of territory straddling the Syria-Iraq border. Its brand of fundamentalist terrorism is gradually spreading beyond West Asia and the militia is slowly but surely gaining ground. In Africa, ISIS fighters and their associates have been active in Algeria, Lebanon, Libya, Mali, South Sudan and Tunisia in recent months. Boko Haram, the militant Islamist group in Nigeria, has pledged allegiance to ISIS.

Fighting Back

Recent acts of terrorism have steeled the resolve of the international community. Significant help is being provided to the government of Iraq by the US and its allies. The Peshmerga, forces of the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) which had captured oil-rich Kirkuk, have joined the fight against the ISIS and recaptured the Syrian (Kurdish) border town of Kobani.

The US began launching air strikes against the ISIS militia about a year ago, while simultaneously arming anti-Assad forces like the Free Syrian Army with a view to bringing about a regime change in Syria. The US has been joined in this endeavour by Australia, Britain, Canada, Denmark, France and Netherlands as well as five Arab countries (Bahrain, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates). The air strikes have resulted in substantial collateral damage. It is being gradually realised that the ISIS militia cannot be defeated from the air alone.

Putin’s Russia joined the fight on September 30, 2015 with the twin aims of defeating the ISIS and destroying anti-Assad forces. However, the initial air strikes launched by the Russian Air Force were directed mainly against the forces opposed to President Assad of Syria. Russian ground troops are also expected to join the fight soon. The Russians have also descended on Baghdad to establish a military intelligence coordination cell jointly with Iran, Iraq and Syria – a move that has not been appreciated by the Americans.

In a rare show of unity after the Paris attacks, the United Nations Security Council passed a unanimous resolution stating that “The Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant constitutes a global and unprecedented threat to international peace and security,” and called upon all member states to join the fight against the ISIS.

Diplomatic moves have been initiated to coordinate operations and work together for peace and stability in the region. The US and Russia agree that the objective of their interventions should be to end the civil war in Syria through a political deal and that both Iraq and Syria should retain their territorial integrity. They also agree that the ISIS extremists must be completely eliminated. Iran has agreed to join the negotiations to resolve the conflict in Syria. However, while the political objectives are similar, the methods being used to achieve them are different and are designed to extend the influence of each of the protagonists in the region.

Implications for South Asia

Al-Baghdadi has openly proclaimed the intention of ISIS to expand eastwards to establish the Islamic state of Khorasan that would include Afghanistan, the Central Asian Republics, eastern Iran and Pakistan. The final battle, Ghazwa-e-Hind – a term from Islamic mythology – will be fought to extend the caliphate to India. An ISIS branch has already been established in the Subcontinent. It is led by Muhsin al Fadhli and is based somewhere in Pakistan. Some factions of the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan have declared their allegiance to al-Baghdadi. Afghanistan's new National Security Adviser, Mohammad Hanif Atmar, has said that the presence of Daesh or the ISIS is growing and that the group poses a threat to Afghan security. And, some ISIS flags have been seen sporadically in Srinagar.

Instability and major power rivalry in West Asia do not augur well for India’s national security and economic interests. Combined with the increase in force levels in the Indian Ocean, the heightened tensions in West Asia may ultimately lead to a spill-over of the conflict to adjacent areas. India now imports almost 75 per cent of the oil required to fuel its growing economy and most of it comes from the Gulf. The long-drawn conflicts of the last two decades of the 20th century had forced India to buy oil at far greater cost from distant markets, with no assurance of guaranteed supplies. The 1991 oil shock had almost completely wrecked India’s foreign exchange reserves. The situation could again become critical. Oil prices had shot up to USD 115 per barrel in June 2014, soon after the Caliphate was proclaimed, but have since stabilised around USD 50 to 60 per barrel.

Since the early 1970s, Indian companies have been winning a large number of contracts to execute turnkey projects in West Asia. The conflict in the region has virtually sealed the prospects of any new contracts being agreed to. Also, payments for ongoing projects are not being made on schedule, leading to un-absorbable losses for Indian firms involved, and a dwindling foreign exchange income from the region.

India also has a large Diaspora in West Asia. A large number of Indian workers continue to be employed in West Asia and their security is a major concern for the government. Some Indian nurses had been taken hostage by ISIS fighters, but were released unharmed. All of these together constitute important national interests, but cannot be classified as ‘vital’ interests. By definition, vital national interests must be defended by employing military force if necessary.

US officials have been dropping broad hints to the effect that India should join the US and its allies in fighting ISIS as it poses a long-term threat to India as well. India had been invited to send an infantry division to fight alongside the US-led Coalition in Iraq in 2003. The Vajpayee government had wisely declined to get involved at that time as it was not a vital interest.

It must also be noted that India has the world’s third largest Muslim population. Indian Muslims have remained detached from the ultra-radical ISIS and its aims and objectives, except for a handful of misguided youth who are reported to have signed up to fight. This could change if India sends armed forces to join the US-led coalition to fight the ISIS militia.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi proposed at the G-20 summit in Antalya last week that the war against terrorism must isolate and contain the sponsors and supporters of terrorism. He clearly implied that India is willing to join the international coalition against the ISIS and other non-state actors. Besides contributing to the global war against terrorism, India’s participation would help to isolate the Pakistan Army and the ISI – the foremost state sponsors of terrorism.

[Direct Indian military intervention against the ISIS militia would depend on the manner in which the situation unfolds over the next one year. It could become necessary if ISIS is able to extend the area controlled by it to the Persian Gulf as that would affect the supply of oil and gas from the Persian Gulf to India – clearly a vital national interest. For the time being, India should cooperate closely with the international community by way of sharing information and intelligence and providing logistics support like port facilities if asked for. India should also provide full diplomatic support and work with the United Nations for evolving a consensual approach in the fight against the ISIS.

A concerted international effort is needed to first contain and then comprehensively defeat the ISIS and stabilise Iraq and Syria, failing which the consequences will be disastrous not only for the region, but also for most of the rest of Asia and Europe. Helping the regional players to gradually eliminate the root causes of instability will not be an easy challenge for the international community to address. As an emerging power sharing a littoral with the region, India has an important role to play in acting as a catalyst for West Asian stability.

The author is former Director, Centre for Land Warfare Studies (CLAWS), New Delhi.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 Dec 2015 10:18

Techie from Guntur on intel radar for ISIS links - Rajulapudi Srinivas, The Hindu

Andhra Pradesh intelligence authorities are tracking an engineering graduate, Tulfizur Rehaman, who is said to have joined the terror group Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

Rehaman (38), suspected by intelligence sources to be the first person from the State to join the ranks of ISIS, is said to be a native of Machilipatnam whose shifted to Tenali and then to Kuwait a few years ago. He did his schooling in Guntur district and went abroad for higher studies.

Intelligence authorities have sounded an alert in the State in the wake of this development.

Rehaman appeared on the radar of intelligence agencies in A.P. when he was observed to be regularly visiting ISIS sites and responding to the messages therein. “For the last few months, police have kept a vigil on some social media sites and persons who were regularly visiting these sites and posting comments. Tulfizur Rehaman was a regular visitor to such sites and was sharing his views on the sites. We got information from higher officials that Rehaman joined ISIS a few days ago,” an intelligence officer told The Hindu .

“Rehaman’s family lived for a few years on Bose Road in Tenali before moving to Kuwait. According to the information available, Rehaman’s relatives live in Tenali, Guntur, Machilipatnam, Hyderabad and other places. We are trying to trace his relatives,” the official said.

Intelligence authorities are trying to collect more information regarding Rehaman’s education, photographs, his family details, classmates and friends, employment, present address and other particulars.

Following this development, police are tracking the movements of sympathisers of various terror groups and those who underwent imprisonment on such charges in Machilipatnam, Tadepalligudem, Rajahmundry, Vijayawada, Guntur, Eluru and other places in the State.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Dec 2015 14:15

IS, Maoist threats to dominate DGPs’ meet

In a first, Prime Minister Narendra Modi will spend almost three days with the top policemen and internal security heads of the country in December, deliberating pressing internal security matters like the influence of Islamic State, role of social media in violence, crime and Left Wing Extremism (LWE).

The annual three-day conference of Directors-General of Police (DGP) of all States and heads of the paramilitary forces is being held at Rann of Kutch, Gujarat from December 18 to 20.

On Thursday, Prime Minister held an hour’s review meeting with top officials of the PMO, MHA officials and officials from Gujarat.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 09 Dec 2015 06:14

Pakistan must not distinguish between terror groups like Pak Taliban and LeT: US - ToI

On the threat posed by the Islamic State in the subcontinent, Blinken [Deputy secretary of state Antony Blinken] said that the US was extremely vigilant about the group trying to expand beyond Syria and Iraq. He said the US has observed a "presence" in Afghanistan and some "worrying indication" in Bangladesh in this regard.

"We are and we have to take the threat posed by ISIS seriously," he said.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 10 Dec 2015 08:30

ISIS in Bangladesh:

https://twitter.com/Terror_Monitor

Terrormonitor.org ‏@Terror_Monitor now33 seconds ago
#Daesh Aka #IslamicState/#ISIS/#ISIL Terror Group Released INFOGRAPH Shows Its Attacks Statistics In #Bangladesh.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Dec 2015 00:26

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devesh wrote:Pakistan is in transition. Their effort will be to negotiate a truce with ISIS, in exchange for becoming an extension of the IS. Watch out for the IS & Taliban reaching an agreement of collaboration.

What we are seeing is Af-Pak becoming more integrated under a singular strategic agenda of global Sunni Jihad.

devesh, you have thrown up interesting stuff.

But, I have a different take.

First, let us understand the current situation. The Afghan Taliban is split into three groups. One that is loyal to ISI and ISI-imposed leadership Akhtar Mansour (dead? or, alive?, certainly grievously injured) who is also supported by Ayman al Zawahiri and Sirajuddin Haqqani (though he seems to be ambivalent but is forced by ISI nevertheless); two the group within the Taliban that opposes the imposed leadership and this comprises such people as Abdul Qayum Zakir (Taliban’s military commander), Tayab Agha (son-in-law of Mullah Omar and who heads the Doha office of the Taliban), Mohammed Yacoub (Mullah Omar's son), Mullah Abdul Manan (Mullah Omar's brother), Qari Baryal (head of the Peshawar Shura Military Commission of the Taliban) et al. In mid-May 2015, a Taliban delegation led by Tayyab Agha visited Teheran, Taliban’s prime enemy, to discuss about the common emerging threat of the IS in the region; three the group that has pledged support to IS which comprises some Taliban commanders and warlords there were reports of Hizb-e-Islami of Gulbuddin Hekmatyar joining this group though it is unclear).

How is the IS placed within Khorasan? On the Afghan side, Helmand, among the most extensive opium-growing sites in Afghanistan, was turning out to be a recruiting ground for IS as reports in January 2015 spoke of a certain Mullah Abdul Rauf doing the recruitment for the IS. Moreover IS flags have been hoisted at several places in Ghazni, Balkh and Zabul provinces. Reportedly, the IS Caliph, al-Baghdadi had ridiculed Mullah Omar calling him “a fool and illiterate warlord undeserving of a religious title.” On April 18, 2015, the IS announced its presence close to the Pakistani border when it detonated four bombs in Jalalabad of Nangarhar Province. The deadliest was a suicide bomb outside a bank. Government authorities said the bombs killed 35 people and injured 125. In clashes between IS and the Taliban in late May 2015 in the Farah province of Western Afghanistan, 27 were killed including 15 IS & 12 Taliban jihadists. There are also reports of other fights between the IS and the Afghan Taliban.

On the Pakistani side, the TTP has a four-way split and considerable leaders pledged their support to the IS. In mid-January 2015, the IS formally announced the leadership team of its Khorasan unit. This borrowed heavily from the split TTP. But, beyond that nothing has happened. Of course, Tahir Yuldashev's IMU also pledged support to IS and moved to the Afghan-Tajikitan borderlands as a result of Zerb-e-Azb operations. However, IMU's support to IS is doubtful at this point.

Therefore, as of now, the IS is *NOT* a serious threat to the Taliban either in Afghanistan or much less so in Pakistan. There is a concerted effort by the 3½ Friends as well as China to recognize the Afghan Taliban as a legitimate stakeholder in Afghanistan whose wishes need to be accommodated. This is an endorsement of the Pakistani position because the Americans and its allies are tired and want to exit. The Taliban/ISI combine is on a strong wicket. The only undoing could be the internecine war among the Taliban.

Therefore, I do not believe that the ISI is facing any danger from ISIS and therefore is planning to strike any truce with them. They will not do so unless they are about to be overrun by them. The fact is that the IS is so embattled in the Levant that it has no time for Khorasan. And, that is good news for the ISI. The same goes for the Afghan Taliban vis-a-vis the IS.

As for the integrated, unified Sunni jihad, I very much doubt such a proposition. These people are too fractious for that. That is an interesting idea though.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Dec 2015 06:31

ramana wrote:
On the Pakistani side, the TTP has a four-way split and considerable leaders pledged their support to the IS. In mid-January 2015, the IS formally announced the leadership team of its Khorasan unit. This borrowed heavily from the split TTP. But, beyond that nothing has happened. Of course, Tahir Yuldashev's IMU also pledged support to IS and moved to the Afghan-Tajikitan borderlands as a result of Zerb-e-Azb operations. However, IMU's support to IS is doubtful at this point.
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As for the integrated, unified Sunni jihad, I very much doubt such a proposition. These people are too fractious for that. That is an interesting idea though.

Just had an "aha" moment reading this

Let us look at the facts
Fact 1: IS is greener (more Islamic) than TTP, which is more Islamic than LeT/JeM, which is more Islamic than the Pakistani army

Fact 2:

a.Pakistani army have killed tens of thousands of Hindus an Muslims in a genocide in Bangladesh and they have killed shias, Baluchis and Pakhtuns
b.LeT/JeM are known murderers who take their orders from the Pakistani army
c.TTP are good and Islamic, but they are variably shaded, They kill everyone including Paki army
d.IS - These are the best. Currently they are taking orders from Saudia and Turkey

They are all Islamic and all murderers.

We need to recall that it is the "less green" ones who have killed the most Indians. The more green ones are deeper within dar ul Islam and are involved with killing Muslims as well as anyone else. The less green ones seek acceptance as good Muslims because of their propensity to murder non Muslims. But the greener ones tend to be found deep inside dar ul Islam among Muslims. The deep green core Muslims would all be arrested or killed soon if they appeared among non Muslims. But because they are so pious they survive in dar ul Islam and they do their murderous stuff inside Islamic countries.

The role of the less green ones is to appear moderate and secular and survive close to the edges of dar ul Islam or inside dar ul harb. Their role also prepares the ground for the more green ones. The less green ones are always complaining that they are being discriminated against and when they get a chance they will kill non Muslims and create areas of Muslim predominance. Inside those areas of Muslim dominance the more green ones start thriving.

There is a biological model which is an exact analogy of this. Bacteria can come in two flavours. Aerobic bacteria need oxygen to survive. Some anaerobic bacteria (those that cause Gas Gangrene and Tetanus) actually die (or will not grow) in the presence of oxygen. What can happen is that a wound can get infected with aerobic bacteria that cause damage and use up all the oxygen and create the conditions for anaerobic bacteria to grow and cause the toxicity to kill.

The biologic analogy is important because radical Islam incubates within a community of less green "moderate" Islam. Tackling radical Islam alone is utter GIGO and bound to fail. So called "moderate islam" creates the conditions for radical Islam by eliminating and opposing non Muslims based on concession they demand for their religion. Laws that make everyone equal, with no mollycoddling along with laws that disallow violence that is used commonly in Islam are all required to be put in place among the so called "moderates" to check the incubation of radical Islam. ISIS survives because Pakistan and Saudi and Turkey are mollycoddled and allowed to maintain murderous but less green militias.

Is this Islamophobia? Bullshit. It is self preservation

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Dec 2015 10:26

Indian sympathiser of IS to be deported - The Hindu

Yet another Indian sympathiser of the Islamic State is being deported to India.

According to officials, the youth from south India came under the scanner of intelligence agencies of a foreign country where he was based. He was picked up and sent back on Thursday, after the Indian authorities were alerted. He was expected to be back in India on Friday, sources said.

Nearly 35 persons, suspected to be IS sympathisers, have been sent back to India by various countries in recent times.

However, only a few of them are believed to be seriously involved with the terror group; others may have been just shared some IS propaganda on the social media without realising the seriousness of their act, the sources said.

Indian agencies have also intercepted a few youngsters trying to leave for the Syrian battlefields.

Indications are that 15 Indians are active members of the IS in Syria, and six others have been killed fighting for the group.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Dec 2015 10:37

shiv wrote:The role of the less green ones is to appear moderate and secular and survive close to the edges of dar ul Islam or inside dar ul harb. Their role also prepares the ground for the more green ones. The less green ones are always complaining that they are being discriminated against and when they get a chance they will kill non Muslims and create areas of Muslim predominance. Inside those areas of Muslim dominance the more green ones start thriving.

There is a biological model which is an exact analogy of this. Bacteria can come in two flavours. Aerobic bacteria need oxygen to survive. Some anaerobic bacteria (those that cause Gas Gangrene and Tetanus) actually die (or will not grow) in the presence of oxygen. What can happen is that a wound can get infected with aerobic bacteria that cause damage and use up all the oxygen and create the conditions for anaerobic bacteria to grow and cause the toxicity to kill.

The biologic analogy is important because radical Islam incubates within a community of less green "moderate" Islam. Tackling radical Islam alone is utter GIGO and bound to fail. So called "moderate islam" creates the conditions for radical Islam by eliminating and opposing non Muslims based on concession they demand for their religion. Laws that make everyone equal, with no mollycoddling along with laws that disallow violence that is used commonly in Islam are all required to be put in place among the so called "moderates" to check the incubation of radical Islam. ISIS survives because Pakistan and Saudi and Turkey are mollycoddled and allowed to maintain murderous but less green militias.

Brilliant analysis & analogy.

just one more point, if I may. the least green know that they will be overrun remorselessly by the greenest eventually and yet they are willing to put themselves in harm's way

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 Dec 2015 10:44

a long time ago B'ji was speculating how 'sufi saints' were used as a spearhead and prep tool to aggressively expand islam in undivided bengal

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 11 Dec 2015 11:01

To add to what Docji is saying

I have a slightly different take after seeing recent Shiv-Docji theory on Europe. What the Islamists did was send the Sufis and others as "prosecuted Muslims" from evil "Radical" Muslims to Bengal and Kashmir, once the Islamists grew in numbers say 100 years, some forcible conversions plus driving out of Non Muslims made these Muslim lands. It is a 3 step process

1. Prosecuted Moderate and Sufi muslims arrive. Non muslims gave shelter to these Muslim victims of radical muslims and live peacefully. The build up numbers over 3 generations

2. Radicalization happens it becomes Muslims VS Non Muslims.

3. The Neighbouring Radical Muslims and now local muslims team up against the Non Muslims

4. Some members of the Non muslims flee, some non muslims are killed, some non convert with the result there are no non muslims in the land.

This 4 step process seems to have repeated a 100 times over the last 1000 years from what is West Pakistan, Bangladesh, Kashmir and Now Assam, WB.

As docji says it is the Less green ones who act as Missionary types moving to new areas.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 11 Dec 2015 11:48

Between 2 & 3 or earlier, one side builds up on guns and the other side is told to give up weapons. This happened in Syria where all factions have weapons except Yazidis, who have been genocided and enslaved. Even before attacks by ISIL, the Yazidis were called Satan worshipers and called with derision so as to ignore plight.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 11 Dec 2015 12:06

+1 Vishvak. You read Tiger stories in 1800's and 1900's you can see like today that general of Villagers were defanged totally and needed a hunter from outside mostly of European ancestry to save them, if these villages had been so defenseless for 100's of years such villages would have never existed in the map. It is clear the populations were defanged between 1500-1850.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Dec 2015 13:16

Indian Oil executive arrested in Jaipur for allegedly urging youth to join ISIS - ToI

A 30-year-old man from Karnataka's Gulbarga has been arrested in Jaipur for allegedly urging local youth to join the terror outfit. The man has been identified Mohammed Sirazudin, a local marketing manager of petroleum major Indian Oil Corporation.

The arrest was made by the Rajasthan Anti-Terrorist Squad allegedly. Sirazuddin allegedly used social media platforms to raise a call to local youth to join the fundamentalist terror group.

ATS officials were getting concrete information on Sirazudin's activities for the last three months. "We were also following the Facebook page and other social networking apps for the past three months. Based on various scientific evidences we have first apprehended the youth and finally arrested him under appropriate sections of Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act," said an ATS official.

"The accused got active nearly five months ago when he started urging the youth to work for ISIS, an organization banned in the country, through social networking sites like Facebook, WhatsApp groups and by another social networking app - Telegram," Alok Tripathi, additional director general (ADG) of the ATS told TOI.

Tripathi further said, "He was of course working for ISIS, as he was into propagating various things about ISIS and was urging people to join the organization."

Sirazudin was supplying official inputs and recruiting organization members in the country, Tripathi added.

"On a complaint, our teams verified antecedents of the accused, and checked his WhatsApp, Facebook accounts and Telegram accounts," said Tripathi.

ATS officials have also seized objectionable material from his residence in Jaipur. "We have seized a number of issues of ISIS's online magazine "Dabik", pictures, and videos from the possession of the youth," he added.

"The accused was allegedly running a Facebook page titled 'Dairy {sic} of a Mujahidhin' through which the accused was into finding the youth who were a bit angry with the system in the country," he added.

The accused is set to be produced before a court on Friday. Asked if more arrests are likely in this connection, a senior officer, said, "Possibly from various other parts of the country, but not much from the state."

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Dec 2015 21:48

Shiv, Mulling over, your theory is more correct. Its the non-radical Muslim that need to be tamed to prevent most green jihadis in their midst.

So far I have been advocating that the moderates have to be forced to expel the jihadis among them. Sort of aborting the green yolk.

What your theory says is a new yolk/inner core will be created again from among the moderates. The more radical among the moderates will coalesce to form a new jihadi core.

Its a self regenerating jihadi mechanism.
Again a biological analogy.
So how to spread this understanding?

First diagram shows the traditional three circle diagram of Muslim World citizens, Assimilated Muslims, inner core Islamists.
Second diagram without the inner core Islamists,
third diagram with droplets from assimilated Muslims forming a new inner core.

Explains the Mughal dynasty from Akbar thru Jahangir thru Shah Jahan to Aurangzeb!!!

Narender Luther in his book "Hyderabad" wonders on how a London educated well off Muslim lawyer upon return soon starts wearing fez and grows a beard.

We have an example of a world citizen/assimilated Muslim turning core Islamist in just a decade.