The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc)

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 09 Dec 2015 21:06

The Belgian ship carries the EU ~~red tape~~ Le Cravat Rouge b4 a French aircraft can take off from a French aircraft carrier carrying French weapons.

BTW, Homs fighting was over a week or more ago. The trouble spots are still Idlib, Deir Az Zor, Aleppo, Palmyra.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Dec 2015 21:06

Pathetic. A american cvn commander would take vrs in this situation.

I expect it will do nothing in gulf but show the flag. The harry s truman will be left to do stuff.

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 09 Dec 2015 21:10

France can base aircraft in Iraq to hit ISIS in Syria, Iraq, Libya but they are just showing off some shinny to idiotic importers.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Dec 2015 21:14

Meantime smug londoners have a petition going to ban trump for saying london has a jihadi issue

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 09 Dec 2015 21:15

trump-ud-din is an ISIS emir

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 09 Dec 2015 21:19

habal wrote:the Syrian war is over.

All that now remains is the formal declaration. The NATO terrorists showed their final hand of desperation when they bombed SAA. They were at their lowest, they basically acted as ISIS airforce in front of the world, and yet they achieved nothing for it.

this is one of the reasons why Russians are not responding to such baits.

one by one now most of US middle-eastern allies are going to come tumbling down. Turkey will be killed by Russia eventually. And that will finish Europe as well.

The most dangerous phase is about to begin. Turkey can easily close the Bosphorus and Dardanelles then move into Syria in a big way, to setup their "Safe Zone" (with Turkish troops effectively acting as human shields to protect the rebels and ISIS from Russian airstrikes and SAA offensives. The US would tacitly back this play, by affirming that an attack on Turkey is an attack on NATO. At that point the Russians have two choices: 1) Go to war with Turkey (and by extension the US) at which point it's WW3 (Russia hasn't a chance in hell w/o nukes). Also keep in mind Turkey can, and would, attack the Russian airbases by air, or simply overrun them with ground forces. Russia cannot stop them without tacnukes. So if the Russians opt to fight ut's guaranteed nuclear war and likely all-out WW3. OR the Russians could pick option 2) Bow out in defeat, arming the Kurds with sophisticated antitank weapons as a final "f*ck you" to Turkey. But it would be a defeat nonetheless.

Keep in mind Turks can win with any combination of these moves. They need not necessarily close the straights; just invading Syria and creating the "Safe Zone" would be enough to completely derail Russia's plans. The Russians are in a terribly vulnerable position here. The question is how committed are they?

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 09 Dec 2015 21:22

UlanBatori wrote:The Belgian ship carries the EU ~~red tape~~ Le Cravat Rouge b4 a French aircraft can take off from a French aircraft carrier carrying French weapons.

BTW, Homs fighting was over a week or more ago. The trouble spots are still Idlib, Deir Az Zor, Aleppo, Palmyra.

Belgian Frigate can protect le port avion only for 5 days a week. weekends are holidays

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 09 Dec 2015 21:22

UlanBatori wrote:The Belgian ship carries the EU red tape b4 a French aircraft can take off from a French aircraft carrier carrying French weapons.

BTW, Homs fighting was over a week or more ago. The trouble spots are still Idlib, Deir Az Zor, Aleppo, Palmyra.

It is the small enclave of rebel held territory within Homs town that the fighting has stopped.

SAA has the Latakia frontier with Turkey in sights and is making good gains there including today. An important village "Ateera" has been captured there. A more important fortificated town of Rabia is next up. This is an important border crossing route for the terrorists.

Idlib sector has seen mostly aerial bombings by RuAF.

Southern and Eastern Aleppo - Some gains by the SAA. Southern Aleppo they are trying to gain control of the Damascus - Aleppo highway before moving west towards Idlib.

Near Palmyra, the SAA have captured certain villages west of the town on the highway between Damascus and Palmyra and thus have an important strategic control on suply lines from West. Plus this has almost sealed the Western side of Palmyra for ISIS.

Dier-ez-Zor, status quo being maintained but some intense SAA - ISIS firefights.

habal · Post by **habal** » 09 Dec 2015 21:31

here comes turkey's death warrant, it's a final notice which obviously cocky turks will ignore.

death for türkiyé will come in most unexpected fashion, at first they will seem to be winning ..

Russia PM: Turkey violated international law giving ground for reciprocal military action

http://southfront.org/russia-pm-turkey- ... ry-action/

Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev says Turkey violated international law and gave ground for reciprocal military actions but the Russian leadership decided against it.

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 09 Dec 2015 21:34

Gyan wrote:France can base aircraft in Iraq to hit ISIS in Syria, Iraq, Libya but they are just showing off some shinny to idiotic importers.

As I've been saying we should cancel that rediculous Rafale order. As the Russians have shown, their relatively simple aircraft get the job done just fine. Properly maintained, their stuff is fine. We just need more SU-30MKI's and better logistics/maintenance for the existing fleet. Our generals are always chasing the latest shiny overpriced western toy, when they should be obsessing over mundane issues of maintenance and spares.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 09 Dec 2015 21:49

Other than North Africa, France does not have the logistics and naval support for expeditionary warfare.

If they enter the Gulf and get near Kuwait they will have massive support from the US as well in Iraq.

In the eastern Med, they can be helped from US base in Incirlik but that would take Turkish compliance and it could get complicated.

France works within the NATO structure. Therefore, they need NATO in order to do anything other than Northern Africa. And even in North Africa they rely on certain US rendered services.

Like most Euro countries they have invested in their social services at home instead of their overall military structure.

so far, with exception of terrorism, they have created a very nice, pleasant way of life, especially in art, food and social amenities and services.

in the last 200 years despite gruesome war and upheaval they created a nice middle class way of life from grinding poverty for most of the population. the elites can no longer say "let them eat cake".

Santosh · Post by **Santosh** » 09 Dec 2015 21:55

Singha wrote:kurd map compared
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVtWJC4WEAER3dm.png:large

So Syrian and Turkish Kurds are now part of SDF?

habal · Post by **habal** » 09 Dec 2015 21:58

just in case turks pretend not to understand cyrillic ...

Putin told Shoigu:

Regarding the submarine strikes we must, of course, analyze everything that happens on the battlefield, how the weapons acts. Both the "Kalibrs" and the X-101 rockets as a whole proved to be very good. This new, modern, highly efficient, and highly precise weapon can be equipped with both a conventional warhead as well as a special, nuclear warhead. Naturally, in the fight against terrorism that is unnecessary, and I hope there will be no need.

http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/50892

rajithn · Post by **rajithn** » 09 Dec 2015 22:00

TSJones wrote:Other than North Africa, France does not have the logistics and naval support for expeditionary warfare.

If they enter the Gulf and get near Kuwait they will have massive support from the US as well in Iraq.

In the eastern Med, they can be helped from US base in Incirlik but that would take Turkish compliance and it could get complicated.

France works within the NATO structure. Therefore, they need NATO in order to do anything other than Northern Africa. And even in North Africa they rely on certain US rendered services.

Like most Euro countries they have invested in their social services at home instead of their overall military structure.

so far, with exception of terrorism, they have created a very nice, pleasant way of life, especially in art, food and social amenities and services.

in the last 200 years despite gruesome war and upheaval they created a nice middle class way of life from grinding poverty for most of the population. the elites can no longer say "let them eat cake".

France has an active base in the UAE.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/m ... y-base-uae

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 09 Dec 2015 22:05

They have Djjbouti on the horn of Africa but not a lot of logistical support I don't think. again, other than the US

member_23370 · Post by **member_23370** » 09 Dec 2015 22:06

Ok a question has been bugging me. India will not do any military bombing in Syria, but if things heat up between Russia and turkey/Nato and Russia invokes Indo-Russian defence pact then what does India do? Does the defence pact still exist or was it scrapped after USSR's demise? India and GoI have been very quiet on Syria and yemen.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 09 Dec 2015 22:12

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35048404
Assad's regime now controls all of Homs

Syrian rebels have begun evacuating the last district they control in the city of Homs under a ceasefire deal reached with the government.

Those leaving al-Wair, under siege for almost three years, will travel to rebel-held areas of Idlib province.

Homs was once dubbed the "capital of the revolution" and saw some of the first protests of the 2011 uprising.

But the truce means the entire city returns to government control, in a boost for President Bashar al-Assad.

Buses arrived on Wednesday to transport fighters and their families out of the Homs suburb of al-Wair.

About 700 people, including rebel fighters and civilians, are due to depart throughout Wednesday, Homs governor Talal Barazi said.

Fighters linked to al-Qaeda are among those due to leave, but moderate groups who have accepted the ceasefire are expected to remain.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Dec 2015 22:43

habal wrote:just in case turks pretend not to understand cyrillic ...

Putin told Shoigu:

Regarding the submarine strikes we must, of course, analyze everything that happens on the battlefield, how the weapons acts. Both the "Kalibrs" and the X-101 rockets as a whole proved to be very good. This new, modern, highly efficient, and highly precise weapon can be equipped with both a conventional warhead as well as a special, nuclear warhead. Naturally, in the fight against terrorism that is unnecessary, and I hope there will be no need.
http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/50892

I think this would violate the INF treaty signed in mid 1980s.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 09 Dec 2015 23:11

Bheeshma wrote:Ok a question has been bugging me. India will not do any military bombing in Syria, but if things heat up between Russia and turkey/Nato and Russia invokes Indo-Russian defence pact then what does India do? Does the defence pact still exist or was it scrapped after USSR's demise? India and GoI have been very quiet on Syria and yemen.

It is reasonable to expect that India will do nothing that violates the current and working defense pact(s) with Russia.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 09 Dec 2015 23:19

Iraqi parliament defense committee calls to review & cancel security agreement with US - MP - Dec 09, 2015

The Iraqi parliament's Security and Defense committee plans to ask for cooperation with Russia in carrying out airstrikes against IS, another member of the committee, Iskander Watut, told Sputnik on Tuesday.

"Soon, a meeting [of the committee] with Prime Minister Haider Abadi will be held, at which we will propose cooperating with Russia in carrying out airstrikes against IS and in the fight against terrorism in Iraq," he stated.

“The [Iraqi] government and the parliament need to be review its security agreement with the US, because Washington is not serious about its implementation. We will demand its cancelation,” Mutlak stated.

"Iraq will be defended only by its sons, but Turkey will withdraw [its troops], since the land of Iraq is sacred, and its sovereignty is a red line. We have a right to give this issue an international character and to demand from the UN Security Council the withdrawal of Turkish troops," he said.

Iraq's ability to enforce the sanctity of red line is suspect and perhaps it is time to rise up and show it.

member_23370 · Post by **member_23370** » 09 Dec 2015 23:55

Hmmm..if they cancel the agreement then what? Iraq-Iran-Russia security deal? Ironic another Bagdhad pact being reborn with Russia in charge

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 10 Dec 2015 00:30

Beijing Calls on Ankara to Respect Iraqi Sovereignity

"The Chinese side believes that we should deal with state-to-state relationship in accordance with purposes and principles of the UN Charter as well as other widely-recognized basic norms governing international relations, and that Iraq's sovereignty and territorial integrity shall be respected," Hua said at a daily briefing.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 10 Dec 2015 01:20

Properly maintained, their stuff is fine. We just need more SU-30MKI's and better logistics/maintenance for the existing fleet.

That was my point, made the day b4 the turkeys shot down a plane. The awesome record still stands, now with several thousand combat missions from forward bases in extreme conditions. 70+ days of intensive operations with a small force of aircraft that must be seeing intensive use.

India may have a lot to learn and take heart from this.

To add to TSJ's touching defense of France, let me point to the quick and effective response to the Mali Islamist aggression a year(?) ago. I don't think any official figures of the pest-e-sha'eed were released but they must have been significant. all told, I would rather have France as a friend rather than the slimy UQ.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 10 Dec 2015 02:35

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/2 ... uggle.html

Plan to exclude Turkey from Mideast power struggle

( Samba by Bunch Of Mambas)

And anyone who thinks the escalating Russian threats against Turkish troops on the borders with north Syria are only against the Turks is also wrong, as this border area is a zone where armies and militias from across the world are competing.Iran, Iraq and Russia’s mounting aggravation against Turkey implies this is a plan to curb Turkey and cancel its regional role, so that Tehran can become the decision-maker in Iraq and Syria, thus achieving its project without anyone confronting it in the region. This has been happening in a five-year crisis that has seen the U.S. retreat, and do nothing except issue statements of solidarity.The characteristics of Iran’s plan to dominate the region have become clear. Iran has decided to neutralize the U.S. and NATO by granting them their major request of abandoning the military purposes of its nuclear program, and it has in fact succeeded at that. Then Iran began dominating Iraq and although its number one man, Nouri al-Maliki, was removed from power, it still managed to tighten its grip on political powers and it is currently the decision-maker there amid the incapability of Prime Minister Haidar al-Abadi.At the same time, the first military power consisting of Iranian, Iraqi, Lebanese and Afghani militias, formed of around 100,000 fighters, was established in Syria. Iran increased its influence by activating its alliance with Russia which sent more aerial and naval troops to Syria than the Soviet Union sent to the region during the Cold War.Since Turkey is the regional power parallel to Iran, it’s become targeted via paralyzing its power in Syria and cancelling its presence in Iraq. The Turks cannot be alone held responsible for confronting the Iranian-Russian alliance which is driving forward in the Arab Middle East; however, Turkey is the most important. If Turkey does not reread the map of struggle and reposition itself, it will find itself in bigger trouble tomorrow.
Turkey is the one that primarily needs to revive a regional axis to confront the Iranian expansion. However, it cannot do that when among its priorities are causes like that of the Muslim Brotherhood, which for 30 years was an ally of the Iranian regime, which previously tried and failed to help them reach power in Egypt during the eras of former presidents Anwar al-Sadat and Hosni Mubarak.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Dec 2015 03:08

Jhujar, in my visit early September the general sense I got was Turks felt they didn't get much by way of Attaturkism. They have been reduced to a much smaller self despite all the gestures to modernity they made.
So they want to revive their old glory. In particular they want a major role in Syria. Turkey due to its geography is an Asian state ( Anatolia) and hardly European.
Historically their rivals were the Persians.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 10 Dec 2015 03:17

^^how do u feel is the aam turks ? inverse watermelon or outright pacqui ?
how does on ground support for erdogan seem?

member_23370 · Post by **member_23370** » 10 Dec 2015 03:25

Before Attaturkism they were reduced in sixe in WW-1 and 2. This time Kurdistan will also leave.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Dec 2015 03:53

gakakkad wrote:^^how do u feel is the aam turks ? inverse watermelon or outright pacqui ?
how does on ground support for erdogan seem?

Latter. The taxi driver was ranting about Syrian refugees just like Pakis rant about Afghan refugees.
If that is an indicator of greenness, then Erdogan has solid support.
And the elections proved that.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 10 Dec 2015 04:17

IMO, they were never pro-American, Attaturk or not. At best a French-like resentment of Americans. Of course most Americans are oblivious to that, in the world model where the rest of the world consists of beaches, airbases, resort hotels, bars, brothels and guided tours through bazaars.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 10 Dec 2015 04:29

perhaps the genuine pro-amir-khaness comes from reading the hawala note: 'in god we trust' and hence 'secular [not our types]'?

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 10 Dec 2015 05:24

UlanBatori wrote:IMO, they were never pro-American, Attaturk or not. At best a French-like resentment of Americans. Of course most Americans are oblivious to that, in the world model where the rest of the world consists of beaches, airbases, resort hotels, bars, brothels and guided tours through bazaars.

we like those icy drinks with little umbrellas in them too, when we go slumming.

member_23370 · Post by **member_23370** » 10 Dec 2015 05:55

Cool-aid?

habal · Post by **habal** » 10 Dec 2015 06:30

Putin unleashes 8 hours of hell onto ISIS
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SYRIA (INTELLIHUB) — It looks as if Russian President Vladimir Putin is going to get er’ done, destroying ISIS targets in the region with a hail of missile and bomb strikes over an eight-hour period.

Next News Network reported:

“While Russia initiated a devastating submarine based assault against terrorist targets in Syria on Tuesday, Long-range bombers of the Russian Aerospace Forces carried out strikes with air-based cruise missiles on the ISIS terrorist sites with a crushing air operation.

Under the direction of, Vladimir Putin, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Armed Forces, crews of Tu-160, Tu-95MS and Tu-22M3 long-range aircraft laid waste to ISIS in probably the most intense bombing campaign since the start of the war.

This comes after a Russian military jet was found to be flying over parts of California and Utah last week displaying no call sign.
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Crippled in Syria, Turkey goes for a 'Sunnistan' in Iraq

Pepe Escobar

Turkey's "incursion" into Iraq is a cold, calculated move. And once again, the name of the game is - what else? - Divide and Rule.

Turkey sent to Iraqi Kurdistan - which is part of the state of Iraq - no less than a 400-strong battalion supported by 25 M-60A3 tanks. Now the Turkish boots on the ground at Bashiqa camp, northeast of Mosul, have reportedly reached a total of around 600.

The short breakdown: this is not a "training camp"- as Ankara is spinning. It's a full-blown, perhaps permanent, military base.

The dodgy deal was struck between the ultra-corrupt Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) and then-Turkish Foreign Minister Feridun Sinirlioglu in Erbil last month.

Torrents of Turkish spin swear this is only about "training" Peshmergas to fight ISIS/ISIL/Daesh.

Absolute nonsense. The crucial fact is that Ankara is terrified of the "4+1" alliance fighting Islamic State, which unites Iran, Iraqi Shiites and the Syrian Arab Army (SAA), as well as Hezbollah, with Russia.

In Syria, Ankara is virtually paralyzed, after the "stab in the back" downing of the Su-24; the Russian revelations of complicity between Turkey's first family and stolen Syrian oil (Bilal Erdogan, a.k.a. Erdogan 'Mini Me', denies everything); and the Russian Air Force relentless pounding of Turkey's fifth column Turkmen. Not to mention the deployment of S-400s and even a third-generation submarine complete with Kalibr cruise missiles.

So Ankara now switches the attention to Iraq with a "counter-alliance", made up of Turkey; the KRG (which - illegally - sells oil to Turkey); and Sunnis in northern Iraq under the supposed leadership of the sprawling Nuceyfi tribe in Mosul.

This is textbook neo-Ottomanism in action. We should never forget that for the AKP in power in Ankara, northern Syria and northern Iraq are nothing but former Ottoman Empire provinces, an eastward extension of Turkey's Hatay province. 'Sultan' Erdogan's (unstated) wet dream is to annex the whole lot.

© Stringer/Reuters
Meanwhile, Daesh still controls Mosul. But Iraqi Sunnis - as well as the Iraqi Army - are slowly setting up an offensive.

So what Ankara wants with this military base close to Mosul is to be part of the game, coupled with two "invisible" agendas; protect their fifth-column Turkmen, wherever they are, and having more boots on the ground to fight - what else - PKK Kurds taking refuge in Iraqi Kurdistan.

'Sultan' Erdogan's whole rationale is that Baghdad does not rule northern Iraq anymore (he's got a point). But the problem, for Ankara, is that the real powers in the region may turn out to be Shiites and the PKK (that's far-fetched; but that's Erdogan thinking.)

'Sultan' Erdogan has extremely close business deals with the KRG's 'Mobster-in-Chief', Massoud Barzani - as in the oil exporting deal which, illegally, bypasses Baghdad. Barzani, predictably, has no problems with Turkish military designs; after all "his" oil is paid for by the Turks.

As for the clincher, follow geopolitical ace Mick Jagger: it's a gas, gas, gas.

Ankara's move plays straight into the ultimate 'Pipelineistan' war; the clash between two competing gas pipelines, Qatar-Saudi Arabia-Jordan-Syria-Turkey, or Iran-Iraq-Syria, at the heart of the Syrian tragedy.

Erdogan's paranoia that Russia may cut off gas supplies to Turkey after the downing of the Su-24 - something that Gazprom simply won't do - has led Ankara, in desperation, to force Baghdad, mob-style, to "accept" a Qatar gas pipeline crossing Iraqi, not Syrian territory.

Needless to add this far-fetched scheme is an absolute no-go for Baghdad, which is part of the "4+1" alliance. Moreover, expect Iran - and Russia - to go no holds barred exploiting divisions among the notoriously divisive Kurds to bomb Erdogan's elaborate plans.

Erdogan's bottom line is quite something; he is aiming for no less than an Iraqi 'Sunnistan' - jointly managed by the ultra-corrupt KRG and assorted Sunnis, but under Turkish security arrangements. As if Washington and Tel-Aviv would let him get away with that.

The fact is that at least for the moment, while his game in Syria may be going down the drain, Erdogan has decided to change the subject and turbo-charge his strategy for breaking up Iraq.

The gift

And that brings up the question, once again, of how Daesh was able last year to conquer Mosul - the second city in Iraq - without a fight. And this after their notorious convoy of gleaming white Toyotas crossing the desert from Syria to Iraq managed to evade detection by the most sophisticated satellite surveillance system in the history of the Universe.

© Osman Orsal/Reuters
Regarding the mystery, persistent intel rumblings across the Middle East and among the "4+1" coalition are bound to turn into a volcano.

According to the rumblings, the official - Pentagon - narrative that the Iraqi Army supposed to fight Islamic State in Mosul last year got scared and simply ran away is a myth.

As we know, the Iraqi Army, trained by the Pentagon, left behind a wealth of tanks and heavy weapons duly captured by IS. And IS couldn't be luckier in collecting this almighty 'gift'.

The new narrative rules that the Pentagon deliberately "instructed" the Iraqi Army to run away, as a sort of tactical retreat, leaving behind all that fabulous hardware.

So what we have here is the Pentagon fully protected by plausible deniability.

And Islamic State duly weaponized as a proxy/regime change army in Syria. A perfect chaos-provoking tool aligned with the strategic objective of the 'Empire of Chaos' in Syria. Which, by the way, does include, in the absence of full regime change, the formation of a 'Sunnistan' in Syria as well.

Oh, but the Pentagon would never engage in such practices, would they?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Dec 2015 06:41

the "sunni triangle" in iraq is some way south from mosul...it will not be easy to wrest it away from the iraqi+iran shia kabilas now sitting there. I am not sure how much sunni pop in eastern syria he can gather under his banner . the YPG knows very well if the sunni arabs grow too powerful, they will turn on YPG the next day!

as of now, the so called SDF is not able to make any ground move on raqqa.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Dec 2015 06:43

key is euphrates valley - if turkey+usa can established a new sunni arab bantustan along euphrates from turkey border to iraq border they would have achieved the main goal of the syrian revolution.

it would also hold south iraqi shias hostage by controlling the euphrates water at a couple of huge dams north of raqqa.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Dec 2015 06:49

Y. Kanan wrote:
Gyan wrote:France can base aircraft in Iraq to hit ISIS in Syria, Iraq, Libya but they are just showing off some shinny to idiotic importers.
As I've been saying we should cancel that rediculous Rafale order. As the Russians have shown, their relatively simple aircraft get the job done just fine. Properly maintained, their stuff is fine. We just need more SU-30MKI's and better logistics/maintenance for the existing fleet. Our generals are always chasing the latest shiny overpriced western toy, when they should be obsessing over mundane issues of maintenance and spares.

Some of the best anti aircraft weapons in the world today have been designed specifically to take down Russian fighters - and none of them have been used yet - bar one incident. The Russians are showing that they can be as clever as NATO by getting into a war in a third country where the best defences do not come up against them The US and NATO did this in Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.

It's only moronic equally matched turd world nations like India and Pakistan who equip themselves with stuff from adversary nations like US and Russia and throw everything at each other while US, Russia and now China merrily supply arms to their "allies" and laugh all the way to the bank

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 10 Dec 2015 06:59

With AoA, they don't need any sophisticated IFF or RFID or precision laser targeting sights/pods.

http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=4ae_1382908929
JUST HEAR WHERE THE AoA is coming from.
1:10 kill ratio is a guarantee for any assault weapon

Not sure an airborne platform can pick up AoA from the ground. It is a great sensor if they can invent one.

they == anti-ISIS gangs

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 10 Dec 2015 07:08

Bheeshma wrote:Cool-aid?

^ +10

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Dec 2015 07:13

azerbaijan armenia border is getting hot with incidents of sniping. hence the russian helicopters sent to armenia.

I dont think azerbaijan is part of the sunni war-kabila but who knows...maybe they are just having a localized problem with armenia onlee and not the whole world of infidels and idolators! there is some "nagorno-karabakh" dispute of old iirc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh_conflict

azerbaijan is the oil hub of the caucasus, with Baku on western shore of the caspian.

the caspian sea flotilla allegedly launched some kalibr yesterday (3rd sortie) in sync with that from Kilo sub in med. no video yet though I looked hard for Philip saar.

parikh · Post by **parikh** » 10 Dec 2015 07:29

Singha Saar , both have fought a war over Nagarno Karabakh region , which is still disputed. Russians intervened on behalf of Armenians (Russian Orthodox church) to save their backsides. Turkey supported the Azeris who share the same Turkic origins.
Looks like an extension of the Russi Turki situation.
Btw Iran has a lot of Azeris as well. Syria has some Armenians near Allepo.
If it sets off , once hell of a pataka.