The Islamic State, the Indian Sub-Continent & its Neighbourhood

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 Dec 2015 06:42

Radicalized Hyderabad girl led agencies to IOC executive - Bharti Jain, ToI

Intelligence agencies stumbled upon IOC executive Mohd Sirazudin, arrested in Jaipur on Thursday for motivating people to join Islamic State (IS), while tracking a Hyderabad-based girl who was actively following pro-IS propaganda on social media.

The girl, in her twenties, was found to be following a closed group on Facebook which was tracked to Sirazudin, its administrator. "The girl was found to be on the verge of getting radicalized and we are now counseling her for de-radicalization, taking the help of her family and community elders," an intelligence officer told TOI.

Around 15-20 people, both Indians and foreigners, followed Sirazudin on his closed Facebook page as well as on Whatsapp. "He would put pro-IS material online and influence his followers to subscribe to the extremist, violent ideology propounded by the group. He would also actively persuade them to travel to IS territory to participate in jihad," said the officer.

"We were tracking Sirazudin for almost six months. Only when the agencies sensed that he was on the verge of turning into a lone wolf attacker did we act against him," the officer added.

A number of issues of IS's online magazine 'Dabik', pictures and videos were recovered from Sirazudin, who hails from Gulbarga in Karnataka.

Incidentally, the IOC executive was also in touch with 3-4 youth from Maharashtra, of which two were found to be on the verge of radicalization. "We are also counseling these two men, who are in their late twenties, to de-radicalize them," said the officer.

Meanwhile, TOI has learnt that an Indian who has worked with the IS is due to return home soon. "He is in his mid-20s and is likely to be arrested upon his return," said an official of the security establishment.

So far, two Indians who had joined IS have returned home. These are Kalyan youth Areeb Majeed and Zeba, who was deported to Hyderabad from Qatar.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 12 Dec 2015 09:17

ramana wrote: What your theory says is a new yolk/inner core will be created again from among the moderates. The more radical among the moderates will coalesce to form a new jihadi core.

Its a self regenerating jihadi mechanism.
Again a biological analogy.
So how to spread this understanding?

ramana I currently have no graphical vision of how to depict this, but something that Ayaan Hirsi Ali said gave me an idea. She said that a sign of radicalization is the application of sharia more strictly "to oneself"

To me that begs the question - what is the difference, if any, between the so called "moderate" and the "radical". Actually there is no difference until the radical uses violence to implement his will in a way that is noticed by others. the real problem is that violence and threats are an every day part of Islamic upbringing. If a child is threatened for protesting against some diktat - for example a child who does not want to pray 5 times a day - maybe he is sleepy, or an adolescent girl who protests against covering up. Children do not always conform to what adults want and there will be examples of minor "rebellions" which you can be sure are controlled with a heavy hand in even "moderate" islamic society. So there is a core of coercion.

If, for example, a nation like France says that burqas should not be allowed, there is an implicit assumption that Muslim women who want to be free will then expose their heads. This assumption is a huge mistake, not only will such a woman be punished within her Muslim society, but women will be punished even if they don't speak up and say that they want and love burqas. Some Islamic woman spokeswoman will be chosen to say that this is all good. So there are internal checks and controls in Islamic society that hold the society together and make it essentially Islamist even while appearing moderate to others. I cannot think of any level of Islam where coercion to follow some diktat is not essential for the structure of that society. It is only when the coercion, threats and violence become manifested or visible to outsiders that we recognize "islamism"

So people who say that all Muslims are extremist and that there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim are right in one sense. But if they are right in one sense, what sense are they not right in?

One answer comes from ex-Muslims and people who have left Islam. Now the first point about "leaving Islam" is that such a person can be killed. That means that "leaving Islam" is not easy unless the person leaving can have refuge and protection in a society that prevents the death threat that such a person will face. If we provide protection to those who leave Islam and listen to what they say, they will say that there are other "hidden Muslim dissenters" within Islamic society who dislike some of the coercion and who also need support. A statement that that all Muslims are radicals, or that all Muslims are Islamists actually puts these "hidden Muslim dissenters" in a difficult situation. That statement gives support to Islamists who claim that there is no dissent in Islamic society and everyone is supremely happy. This is patently untrue but the "untruth" in that statement cannot come out unless we are willing to hear what ex Muslims say and understand that there are people in Muslim society who are "moderate" and do not like many of the things that Islamists demand but are too scared and too suppressed to come out into the open. These people should ideally be allowed to come out into the open without fear.

Going back to that graphic the only change I might make is in the circle just outside the core - labelled as "assimilated Muslims". These people should not be called moderates. These people can be radicals pretending to be moderate in order to get on in kafir society. They could also be partial dissenters (real moderates) who stay as clear of radicalism as they can go.

There are three concentric green circles in that image
1. Innermost core Islamists
2. Lesser green "assimilated Muslims" around that
3. Muslim world citizens (includes ex-Muslims) around that

The middle circle "assimilated Muslims" can be reduced in area by either increasing the flow towards the core to create more Islamists, or by increasing the flow outwards to create more adjusted "world citizens". I think the latter needs to be encouraged and perhaps that can be done by being very strict about discouraging the use of coercion, threats and violence. These are just generalities and I will stop here

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Dec 2015 14:33

Parents turned in IS backer - Vijaita Singh, The Hindu

The 23-year-old computer engineer from Tamil Nadu, who was deported from Sudan before he could reach Libya to fight alongside the Islamic State (IS), had informed his parents of his intentions. It was the parents who informed intelligence agencies and a hunt was then launched for the accused in Sudan.

Sudanese authorities detained him in October on the basis of inputs provided by the Indian agencies. However, diplomatic hurdles and procedures ensured that it was two months before he was deported to India. He was arrested by the National Investigation Agency (NIA) upon his arrival in India on Friday.

The accused, identified as Mohammad Nasir, also underwent combat training in Sudan for four months. Though he is an Indian citizen, Nasir had a UAE passport too. He was living with his parents in Dubai where he worked as a computer engineer. Before leaving for Sudan, he first travelled to Chennai and returned to Dubai. “He travelled to Sudan on his UAE passport. He reportedly paid Rs. 80,000 for a Sudanese visa. Once he reached Sudan in June this year, he underwent military training at a camp there,” said a senior NIA official.

A senior NIA officer said that Nasir was arrested as “he was all set to join the battlefield in Libya, an emerging stronghold of the IS.” “We decide on slapping criminal charges after analysing the degree of intent. Here, this man had travelled all the way to Sudan to join the IS, which is a banned organisation here in India,” said the NIA official.

Another official said that Nasir was “self-radicalised” through the Internet and he met his facilitator online. “He had been into online radicalisation for the past one year. He was frank enough to tell his parents that he was going to join the IS and would fight for them. He is in our custody till 21st December and we expect to extract more information from him,” said the official.

Investigators are trying to find out if Nasir underwent training at the camp of Al-Sidairah, a Jihadist figure in Sudan who has openly pledged allegiance to the IS.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 15 Dec 2015 12:41

Not ISIS but Al Qaeda

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SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 Dec 2015 18:04

India ready for operation against ISIS if UN adopts resolution: Manohar Parrikar - PTI

India on Wednesday said it can undertake operations against the ISIS terror group under a UN flag if the global body adopts a resolution in this regard.

Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar, who has returned after a crucial meeting with his US counterpart Ashton Carter in Washington, also said that India has been sharing intelligence on the ISIS and it will be enhanced.

"We have made it clear that if there is a UN resolution and if there is UN flag and a UN mission, then as per India's policy to operate under UN flag, we will participate," Parrikar told reporters at India Gate after laying wreath at the Amar Jawan Jyoti on Vijay Diwas.

He was replying to questions on the possibility of India's participation in operations against the ISIS.

Asked specifically if India will operate against the ISIS under the UN flag, he said, "that depends on whether UN takes a resolution".

India had earlier this month, along with major world economies, participated in the first-ever global meeting held in Paris to discuss and evolve mechanisms to combat the clandestine and largely undetected terrorist financing network of the Islamic State terror group.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Dec 2015 05:26

IS leanings put 16-year-old from Pune under ATS radar - ToI

A 16-year-old college girl from Pune, who was allegedly in touch with arrested Indian Oil Corporation (IOC) executive Mohammed Sirajuddin, has been put under surveillance for her suspected links with the Islamic State (IS), assistant commissioner of police Bhanupratap Barge of the anti-terrorism squad, Pune unit, said on Thursday.

Sirajuddin had formed closed groups of IS sympathizers, including boys and girls from Maharashtra, on Facebook and WhatsApp. He was allegedly spreading IS activities online and trying to recruit Indian youths for the terrorist group. He was arrested in Jaipur last week.

The girl, from an elite, city-based Muslim family, was deeply influenced by IS activities and radicalized online. She was in regular touch with many sympathizers of the dreaded terrorist group, Barge said.

"We have kept the girl under surveillance," Barge said. "Efforts are on to de-radicalize her. Her parents, religious scholars and Muslim community leaders have been asked to help." Religious scholars have been told to sensitise the girl about Islam and how the IS is wrong, he said.

Officials said the girl was in touch with Sirajuddin and was about to visit Iran or Syria because IS members were ready to bear her medical education and other expenses. They had told her that she should be in a position to do anything in her country for Islam, they said.

Technical investigations and contacts helped the ATS identify the girl, a Class XI science student in a city-based college. During investigations, the ATS discovered that the girl has around 200 friends on Facebook. She was regularly interacting with IS sympathizers on WhatsApp and Twitter and exchanging mails with people in Maharashtra, Rajasthan, Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Jammu & Kashmir and Karnataka, and countries such as the Philippines, Sri Lanka, Dubai, Saudi Arabia, Kenya and some in Europe.

ATS additional director general of police Vivek Phansalkar and special inspector general of police Niket Kaushik had received reliable information that some young boys and girls from Pune were in regular touch with IS through social-networking sites.

Investigations showed that the girl was attracted to the IS ideology while watching a television channel four months ago. She began searching for more information on IS on internet portals and established contact with an IS agent in Sri Lanka.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 19 Dec 2015 01:01

There is no such thing as deradiicalization. Even if they stop her from going, it will be like a constant itch that never goes away. She will always wonder "what could have been". I say let her go & then add her to watch lists to make sure she never comes back. And while there pass on her info to the Russians and Syrians. With luck she'll find her jannat in Syria.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Dec 2015 07:57

From Tarek Fatah on Twitter

Comment from him:

... then there r Secular Muslims who fight these Islamists, but r opposed by shameless White Leftist & Feminists.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Dec 2015 10:56

ISIS trying to enhance foothold in India: Rajnath Singh - ANI

The Government has expressed serious concern over radicalisation of youths through social media and other online forums.

Union Home Minister Rajnath Singh, who was addressing the annual conference of Directors General of Police and Inspectors General of Police in white Rann of Kutch near Bhuj in Gujarat, said the activities of the dreaded terrorist group ISIS have been witnessed in India.

Singh emphasised on better coordination between the Central and State agencies to check the threat of ISIS. He said ISIS has been trying to enhance its foothold in India's neighbourhood - Bangladesh and Afghanistan. Prime Minister Nadrendra Modi inaugurated the conference.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Dec 2015 08:24

Hackers route Delhi firm’s cash to ‘IS accounts’ - Rajshekhar Jha, ToI

Suspected Islamic State hackers may have routed a Delhi-based firm's payments from a London client to the jihadist group's bank accounts in Turkey. Delhi Police say the fraud amounting to Rs 5 crore-6 crore is the biggest in the capital this year and was possibly carried out by hacking the email account of an employee.

While police started off investigating the IS angle because the money was diverted to Turkey, their suspicion was strengthened on learning that the London client provides humanitarian aid to war-hit people in Syria and refugees in countries like Turkey.

Delhi Police commissioner B S Bassi was made aware of the fraud on Saturday and is learned to have formed a special team to crack the case. Sources said the special cell has been put on the job. "The probe is at an initial stage. It is early to rule out the role of IS in this massive cyber heist as we are indeed probing some Turkey-based hackers who may have terror or IS links," a top officer of Delhi Police told TOI requesting anonymity.

An FIR was being registered at an undisclosed police station at the time of filing this report on Saturday evening. The victim firm is based in south Delhi and provides consultancy and advisory services to development and social projects in India and abroad. The client's website states it provides relief and other assistance to people inside Syria and to refugee families in neighbouring countries, including Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey.

The complaint states that the Delhi firm had regularly received payments from the client (name withheld) in its account with Kotak Mahindra Bank, and when they stopped in October, it waited patiently for the sake of goodwill. However, when it followed-up a few days ago, the client claimed it had processed some of the payments. It sent an email on Friday giving details of the accounts credited, thus alerting the firm to the fraud.

The firm's vice-president initiated an internal inquiry with assistance from the client's representatives. They were shocked on being informed that the Delhi firm's senior manager had made some communications to the client requesting a change of beneficiary account numbers and had changed the remittance details. However, no trace of these communications was found on the firm's own systems.

The firm has provided police with all the details, documents and communications connected with the client.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Dec 2015 13:57

India, Russia working to put in place extensive counter-terror cooperation pact - Dipanjan Roy Chodhury, Economic Times

India and Russia are working to formulate an extensive counter-terror cooperation arrangement that will be put in place during Narendra Modi's Moscow visit on Dec 23-24 in the backdrop of rise of Islamic State with the bilateral partnership hoping to beef up mechanism for intelligence sharing, training of personnel and capacity building.

Delhi and Moscow have been building on a counter-terror cooperation away from the public glare and the mechanism to boost intelligence sharing and training of personnel in counter-terrorism and enhancing capacity building to fight the growing menace will be on the agenda for the PM's trip to Russia for the annual Summit this week, official sources indicated to ET.

A strong counter-terror arrangement between the two countries is imperative in the backdrop of rise and spread of Islamic State which is now spreading its network in Afghanistan nearer India as well as along the borders of Russia, noted people familiar with international terrorism. Few Indian youth as well as youth from Chechnya have joined IS in Syria much to the discomfort of both the governments. Union Home Minister recently raised alarms over threats from the IS in India. Official sources here [New Delhi] further informed that the Home Ministries of India and Russia are working on a new security cooperation pact and this will get strong push during the PM trip. This pact is expected to further strengthen counter-terror partnership in the current global scenario.

The two countries are also working towards aligning positions on international terror at UN where India has been pushing for a convention as well as at the Financial Action Taken Force (FATF) platform, officials hinted. Almost six months back India was surprised with old strategic ally Russia's stand at a meeting of FATF in Brisbane where Moscow along with Australia, New Zealand and China opposed Delhi's move to get a censure against Pakistan for its inaction against Jamaat-ud-Dawa & Lashar-e-Taebbya. These countries had opposed India's move on the grounds that Pakistan is not even a member of FATF. Delhi had later raised the issue with Moscow the two countries are understood to be working towards aligning their positions at bodies like FATF given the common threat from terror. In the past Delhi has been receiving steady support from Russia on terror and Indo-Pak issues as well as Kashmir.

The objectives of the FATF (of which India is a member) are to set standards and promote effective implementation of legal, regulatory and operational measures for combating money laundering, terrorist financing and other related threats to the integrity of the international financial system Delhi and Moscow are also understood to be developing common position on terror emanating from both Pakistan and Afghanistan, sources hinted. India and Russia have been on the same page regarding Afghanistan and Delhi is working with Moscow with regard to supply of Russia made defence equipment for Kabul. However it is no secret that during the past two years Delhi has been worried over implication of Russo-Pakistan defence cooperation and its implications on the country's security interests of India. India expects that Russia would not be oblivious of its decades-old and time-tested relations with India and Delhi's legitimate security interests in the region. That terror would be key agenda for Modi's Moscow trip was understood from Russian Deputy PM Dmitry Rogozin who visited Delhi recently to prepare for the annual summit.

According to him, the presence of IS in Afghanistan has aggravated the situation even further. "The Taliban used to be perceived as an exclusively domestic phenomenon for Afghanistan. ISIS (or IS) is something absolutely the opposite. They are as radical or even more radical (than the Taliban), and they also have global ambitions," Rogozin stressed.{That's why the IS is anathema to the Pakistani Army}

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 22 Dec 2015 07:01

Police suspect three Mumbai youths could have joined ISIS

PTI | Dec 21, 2015, 04.40 PM IST

MUMBAI: Three youths from Mumbai who have been missing for some time are suspected to have joined terror outfit Islamic State (IS), police said on Monday.
The three youths are identified as Ayaz Sultan (23), Mohsin Sheikh (26) and Wajid Sheikh (25), all residents of Malvani area in western suburb of Mumbai.
"We suspect that the three joined the IS and our probe is on to ascertain this," Malvani police station's senior inspector Milind Khetle said.
The parents of the three men have registered a missing complaint with the Malvani police, he said.
An official of the Anti-Terrorism Squad also said they suspect that the three youths have been radicalised into joining the Islamic State, and added that the ATS is probing the matter.
While Sultan went missing on October 30, the other two have been missing since December 16, the ATS official said.
According to Khetle, Sultan left home on October 30 after telling his parents that he had to go to Pune in connection with a job offer he got from a Kuwait-based firm.
Mohsin left home on December 16, saying he was going to attend a friend's wedding. Wajid also left home the same day saying he had to get the name on his Aadhar card corrected, the police officer said.
Police strongly suspect that the three men were in touch with each other as they resided in the same area and also because two of them left home on the same day, he said.
An ATS official said they tried to crack the password of the email accounts of the three missing youths, but have not been successful as yet.
Based on statements of family members of the three youths, it appears they were highly radicalised, police said.
Police is trying to ascertain whether the missing men were brain-washed into joining the IS by someone personally or through Internet.
Notably, in May last year, four youths from Kalyan township in neighbouring Thane district had gone to Syria to join the IS. One of them, Areeb Majeed, returned and is currently in NIA custody while the whereabouts of the other three were not yet known.
Besides, a Pune-based 16-year-old Muslim girl, who was reportedly radicalised by her IS contacts abroad and brain-washed to go to Syria, was questioned by ATS sleuths earlier this month and sent to a de-radicalisation programme.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 268305.cms

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Dec 2015 12:09

The vernacular Daily Thanthi says that last week, two IS terrorists tried to bomb Indian consular vehicles at Jalalabad.

It also claims that another suicide attack, this time by the Taliban, on the same Jalalabad consulate was thwarted yesterday. Afghanistan must investigate carefully whether it was the Taliban or the IS once again.

In Tamil

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Dec 2015 05:20

Islamic State chief Baghdadi claims he's global leader of Muslims; Pakistan's Taliban says no - Zee News

Karachi: Pakistani Taliban has rejected ISIS chief Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's claim that he is the global leader of Muslims.

According to the Dawn, the movement's statement came on Saturday amid speculation that the group's leadership, whose goal is to topple the government and set up a Sharia state, is actually wary of ISIS, which is driven by different ambitions that have little to do with South Asia.

The Pakistani Taliban's statement was posted following a similar rejection by the Afghan Taliban following pledges of allegiance to leader of ISIS from low-level commanders of both movements.

The Pakistani Taliban's statement said that Baghdadi is not the caliph because it meant that he had control over the entire Muslim world which does not hold true in Baghdadi's case.
ANI

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Dec 2015 12:31

3 ‘on way’ to join IS held at airporte

The Maharashtra Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) on Saturday detained three Hyderabad-based young men in Nagpur for allegedly trying to leave the country with the intention of joining the terrorist outfit, Islamic State (IS).

ATS officials said the three were held after the Telangana police informed them that they would try to board a flight to Srinagar from Nagpur.

“We were informed by our counterparts in Telangana that the trio had been missing since Thursday and that investigations so far had indicated that they would be at the Nagpur airport on Saturday morning, to try to board a flight to Srinagar. We were asked to detain them till the Telangana police reached Nagpur,” said an officer with the Maharashtra ATS.

The information was relayed to the Nagpur unit of the ATS, and several teams of ATS personnel were deployed in plainclothes at the airport. The Telangana police had already sent pictures of the three to the ATS.

“The trio reached the airport at around 5 a.m. and were spotted by one of our teams. As soon as we were sure that they were the boys we were looking for, we took them into our custody at around 5.30 a.m.,” the officer added.

They were later handed over to a Telangana police team.

Of the three, two are engineering students and were among the four caught in August, 2014 in Kolkata, while attempting to cross into Bangladesh to join the IS.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Dec 2015 03:13

Afghan militia beheads 4 Islamic State fighters as revenge - Reuters

Local village militia members loyal to a powerful Afghan lawmaker beheaded four Islamic State fighters and placed their severed heads on the side of a main road in eastern Afghanistan, local officials said on Sunday.

The killings in Achin district of the eastern province of Nangarhar highlighted the increasingly brutal violence of the fight between Islamic State and rival groups, ranging from local militias to the Taliban.

Islamic State has made inroads in several districts of the province as they try to build strength and replace the hardline Taliban insurgents.

Dozens of members of a local militia force loyal to Haji Zahir, deputy speaker of parliament, have been battling both Taliban and Islamic State militants in the district for weeks.

Islamic State militants first captured four fighters from the militia, known as Pasoon or "Uprising" and beheaded them. The militias then retaliated, Zahir told reporters.

"Do you think if they behead you, you cook them sweets?" Zahir asked.

Ataullah Khoqani, spokesman for the provincial governor said Afghan government forces were not involved in the incident, adding that the incident is being investigated.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Dec 2015 06:03

IS influencing youth in south India: NIA chief - ToI

NIA director general Sharad Kumar on Sunday said IS is emerging as a major threat for radicalization of youth, especially in south India.

Kumar, who was in Lucknow for the foundation laying ceremony of the agency's new official complex, said though IS has not taken roots in India, it's influencing youth through internet and social media. He said states like UP and Bihar have less radicalised youth as compared to the southern states and added that the Centre has launched an anti-radicalisation campaign.

The National Investigation Agency DG ruled out social or economic reasons behind the rising radicalisation of Indian youth by thely s IS {yes, we know the reason, 72 houris + 12 boys, isn't it? We have to boldly state the truth and face the facts if we need to eliminate this scourge} and added that concerted efforts are required to check the terror group's influence on youth.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Dec 2015 07:45

Around 20 youth weaned away from IS in Karnataka - K.V.Aditya Bharadwaj, The Hindu

The security establishment in the State [Karnataka] has deterred at least 20 youth from joining Islamic State (IS) in the last one year.

They intervened only in cases where the subject of surveillance showed signs of acting on his inclinations. It is either travel plans or contacting IS recruiters or fighters online that triggers an intervention, a senior official involved with the programme said.

Agencies have been holding a strict vigil at Kempegowda International Airport (KIA) to screen youths travelling to the Middle East.

A senior police officer said, “There are a few such cases where we have intervened and have been counselling the youths through their families and friendly religious clerics, which have paid off.”

A few months ago, a woman tipped off the city police about her son’s sudden radicalisation and asked the cops to keep an eye on him. The police monitored his activities, counselled him and helped him return to the mainstream. In another case, a techie, who had turned into an IS propagandist on Facebook, was counselled with the family's help.

At least three men from Karnataka are known to have died on the IS frontlines in 2015. While two from Bengaluru – Faiz Masood and Umar Subhan – died as foot soldiers, Sultan Armar from Bhatkal worked as a chief recruiter for IS in India till he died fighting at Kobane, Syria.

A senior intelligence official pointed out that all those who went to the IS frontlines from Karnataka, crossed over from Gulf countries and other foreign shores where they had been working, but none directly from the state.

But Karnataka leads the way in tech savvy IS propagandists and recruiters. Starting from Mehdi Masroor Biswas, the pro-IS tweeter, and the latest to be arrested in Jaipur Mohammed Sirajuddin, who is from Kalaburagi. He was an internet propagandist who is alleged to have turned recruiter.

Another person from Bhatkal, Adnan Hasan Damudi, was detained in Dubai in November after Telangana police unearthed evidence that he was recruiting youths for IS through his Twitter handle.

A top central intelligence officer said that the situation in the country is far less alarming than in European countries. “But we need to keep monitoring. The de-radicalisation policy of the country has been a mature one and successful,” the officer said.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Dec 2015 07:50

What started as a trickle is now becoming more. Especially from the southern states. The administration of the southern states must be very vigilant and share all data among themselves.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Dec 2015 12:17

IS cell busted in Sialkot, claim officials - DAWN

The Counter Terrorism Department (CTD) claimed on Monday that it had busted a cell of the militant Islamic State group operating in Sialkot, arrested eight suspects and seized weapons, explosives and laptops, as well as a large number of compact discs containing publicity material.

Investigators claimed that the suspects had taken an oath to “overthrow democracy and introduce Khilafat in Pakistan through armed struggle”. The suspects arrested by CTD belong to different districts of Punjab, but Sialkot served as the base of their operations. They had already established infrastructure in the district to carry out operations across the country.

It was, however, not clear when did the CTD bust the cell. The FIR was lodged on Monday.

Three of the suspects have received “militant training”, according to documents detailing their interrogation.

The operation, the first of its kind in the country, enabled the CTD to break the network and infrastructure of the group anywhere in Pakistan. The CTD has already shifted the suspects to an unspecified “highly secure place”.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Dec 2015 17:36

JuD activists leaving group to join ISIS in Pak, 8 arrested - PTI

This is more information on the same news item I have posted above. It turns out that the arrested terrorists are JuD deserters.

Mumbai attack mastermind Hafiz Saeed- led Jamaat-ud-Dawah's activists are joining ISIS and eight of them were arrested by intelligence agencies who raided a hideout of the terror group in Pakistan's Punjab province.

"The arrested ISIS militants were earlier the activists of Hafiz Saeed's Jamaat-ud-Dawah," Dawn newspaper reported, citing intelligence reports and officials.

A team of personnel from intelligence agencies and Punjab Counter-Terrorism Department raided a house on a tip off on the outskirts of Sialkot, some 120 kms from here, in wee hours yesterday and arrested eight members of ISIS which has yet to 'openly' declare its presence in Pakistan, officials said.

"The suspects could not offer any resistance as the commandos did not give them a chance," a CTD source said.

He said a good quantity of weapons and explosives, and hate literature have been recovered from the house.

"The suspects had sworn allegiance to al-Baghdadi and joined ISIS in Daska tehsil of Sialkot district in June."

One of the recruiters - Abu Akasha - had facilitated contacts between the suspects and Pakistan national Abu Muavia Salfi, who was in charge of Pakistani militants in Syria, according to the report.

They said Waqas aka Rizwan, also member of the ISIS from Sialkot, had been killed in clashes with the Syrian forces.

Interrogations have revealed that ISIS chief Abu-Bakr Baghdadi had appointed Hafiz Saeed Khan as the group's Emir in 'Khorasan' (areas comprising Iran and some parts of Afghanistan) and proposed him as Emir for Pakistan too.

Earlier, there were reports that Saeed Khan got killed.

JuD has denied the report of its members joining ISIS, saying it has no links with the Middle Eastern group and it was against the outfit's philosophy.

"We strongly deny that any of our current or former member is associated with the ISIS. It seems to be conspiracy to link JuD with the ISIS," JuD spokesman Yahya Mujahid said.

This is now bad news for India. The terrorists are like a monster that demands continuous action. They hate idling without work. They also constantly seek out a more brutal outfit. IS fits these demands currently. Earlier too, when LeT terrorists left the organization for the more brutal 'bad Taliban', the LeT and ISI devised the 26/11 attacks to keep the remaining jihadists interested in continuing with the LeT.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 29 Dec 2015 18:03

-deleted- wrong thread.

member_29089 · Post by **member_29089** » 29 Dec 2015 18:55

SSridhar wrote:JuD activists leaving group to join ISIS in Pak, 8 arrested - PTI

This is more information on the same news item I have posted above. It turns out that the arrested terrorists are JuD deserters.

Mumbai attack mastermind Hafiz Saeed- led Jamaat-ud-Dawah's activists are joining ISIS and eight of them were arrested by intelligence agencies who raided a hideout of the terror group in Pakistan's Punjab province.

"The arrested ISIS militants were earlier the activists of Hafiz Saeed's Jamaat-ud-Dawah," Dawn newspaper reported, citing intelligence reports and officials.

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He said a good quantity of weapons and explosives, and hate literature have been recovered from the house.

One of the recruiters - Abu Akasha - had facilitated contacts between the suspects and Pakistan national Abu Muavia Salfi, who was in charge of Pakistani militants in Syria, according to the report.

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"We strongly deny that any of our current or former member is associated with the ISIS. It seems to be conspiracy to link JuD with the ISIS," JuD spokesman Yahya Mujahid said.
This is now bad news for India. The terrorists are like a monster that demands continuous action. They hate idling without work. They also constantly seek out a more brutal outfit. IS fits these demands currently. Earlier too, when LeT terrorists left the organization for the more brutal 'bad Taliban', the LeT and ISI devised the 26/11 attacks to keep the remaining jihadists interested in continuing with the LeT.

I have a different take on this "news"

- JuD is an extension of ISI
- There are many reasons ISI wants to make contact with ISIS
- by "arresting" these 8 scapegoats, ISI is sending / or has sent n number of operatives to ISIS
(8 arrested other 8 got through kind of thing)

- This could be on behest of the US if done by ISI-proper
- This could even be some rogue unit of ISI trying to make inroads into ISIS to eventually sell nukes

in other words these arrests could just be a red herring

(Rational: nothing regarding pakistani news (or pakistan in general) can be taken at face value, there is always some perfidy or complication behind the story)

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Jan 2016 17:39

Family values keep Indians away from IS: Rajnath -The Hindu

Union Home Minister Rajnath Singh said on Friday that the “family values” of Indian Muslims played a crucial role in preventing Indian Muslim youth from supporting the Islamic State’s ideology.

At a programme organised here [Bengaluru] by Adamya Chetana, a service organisation promoted by Union Minister Ananth Kumar’s wife Tejaswini, Mr. Singh said such were the high family values of Indian Muslims that they were discouraging their youth from backing the IS if they showed any interest in it. He praised the community for taking measures to prevent the youth from falling prey to the IS ideology. This was the reason the IS did not have much support in India, unlike other countries where the number of its supporters was increasing.

“This is entirely due to the family values of India Muslims,” he noted. “This is not a small thing.” Mr. Singh said the government would not only fight terrorism and Maoism but also fundamentalism. All efforts would be made to secure the people of the country from these threats. He expressed concern over the “crisis of credibility” in Indian politics and asked politicians to ensure that they walked the talk by preventing any gap between their words and deeds.

ISRO Chairman A.S. Kiran Kumar, DRDO Director-General K. Tamil Mani, Bharat Electronics Limited Chairman S.K. Sharma, AICTE Chairman Anil Sahasrabuddhe and others were felicitated.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Jan 2016 18:26

Muslim group ushers in 2016 by launching campaign against ISIS - ToI

As a New Year resolution, a group of city Muslims launched "Muslims against ISIS" campaign on Friday, denouncing the jihadist terror organization's brutalities and chalking out steps to stop Muslim youths from becoming IS recruits. A joint initiative of city-based NGO Sahas Foundation and think-tank Urdu Markaz, the campaign has created a taskforce of volunteers to identify and counsel radicalized or potential recruits of ISIS or Islamic State (IS) who have been or are about to be trapped in the "fake jihad" through online propaganda.

Launching the campaign at Imamwada Municipal Urdu School ground in Bhendi Bazaar, activists said there could not have been a nobler cause than initiating an ideological war on IS on New Year's Eve. "When we thought about what to do on New Year, a suggestion came that why not start creating awareness among youths about how to keep away from the virus of ISIS and other terrorist outfits. Now, we have resolved to reach out to a maximum number of Muslim youths with the message of not falling prey to the propaganda of any terrorist organizations," said Syed Furqan, Sahas Foundation's president and the main force behind the campaign. Furqan added that on the night of December 31, his group created "awareness" against vices from drunk driving to terrorism and intolerance through a human chain at Nariman Point.

Apart from spreading the anti-ISIS message through posters, banners and pamphlets, the volunteers are also telling Muslim youths to be alert while using social networking sites. "IS recruits mainly through online propaganda. It targets educated youths who may be disillusioned or disaffected due to various reasons. We tell youths not to buy the reasons terrorist organisations cite to kill innocents in the name of Islam. In fact, the acts of ISIS are un-Islamic and inhuman," said Urdu Markaz's president Zubair Azmi.

Since terror outfits also recruit young women and often use them as "honey-trap" to induce youths, women volunteers are being roped in to counsel students. "A number of Muslim college girls are first-generation learners who have reached graduation level. They are vulnerable and easy targets for terrorist outfits looking for women recruits. Many young women may fall for offers of money and promise of marriage and an adventure-filled life," said Shabana Khan who teaches Urdu at S N D T College, Wadala, and also heads the women's wing of 'Muslims against ISIS'.

Activist Farid Khan said volunteers would work among parents too. "If parents see any behavioural change among their sons like they have suddenly become very religious or spend a lot of time on networking sites, they should approach us. We will ensure they are de-radicalised and brought back into the mainstream."

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 02 Jan 2016 22:29

The first video I have seen of PrithviaRaj Chauhan's grave in Afghanistan. The grave is the stone outside the building. I thank the person who shot this video for bringing this to us. The people who go in to pray have to first hit Prithvi Rai's grave with the shoes kept for that purpose and then goes in to pray.

When will an Indian govt bring his remains back? and If only Indira Gandhi had come here instead of Babur's tomb.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Jan 2016 14:43

posted by deejay in the STFUP thread

Another data point of ISIS infiltration in Pakjab:

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SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Jan 2016 18:00

Islamic State will not be allowed to get roots in Pakistan: Sanaullah - Daily Times

Punjab Law Minister Rana Sanaullah has said that about 100 people have gone from Pakistan to Syria and Iraq to join the Islamic State militant group.

Talking to journalists, he said the Islamic State will not be allowed to get roots in Pakistan. He said law enforcement agencies are playing a vital role in elimination of terrorism in the country. He said law and order has significantly improved in the country.

Sanaullah said steps are being taken to further improve performance of security agencies.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 06 Jan 2016 12:35

Bangla Team is probably the name of either ISIS in Bangladesh or Al Aqaeda. Not sure.

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SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 Jan 2016 17:41

Software engineer nabbed over links with Islamic State - DT

A suspected terrorist affiliated to banned militant outfit Islamic State was arrested from Rawalpindi in a joint action by secret and law enforcement agencies.

According to security officials, Muhammad Ali is a software engineer and he made his own website. He used his chat room to be in touch with people and convince them to join the IS. He had allegedly hired many people for IS and sent them to Syria and also was planning a terrorist attack in Rawalpindi.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Jan 2016 07:05

India may not send troops to Syria, likely to play bigger political role - Suhasini Haidar, The Hindu
Excerpt

India is likely to say it has “no interest” in sending troops to Syria to fight in any of the anti-IS coalitions, but could indicate it is open for a bigger role in the Syrian regional reconciliation in West Asia, officials have told The Hindu . The issue is expected to be discussed when Syrian Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Walid al Moualem meets National Security Adviser Ajit Doval and External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj during a three-day visit to New Delhi that begins on Monday.

A Syrian official said Mr. Moualem could ask India to play a “conciliatory” role in reconciling the positions of all the major players in the region, given India’s standing with them. While officials said India “is open” to discussing the larger role of assisting the peace process, the government has taken a considered position against joining any of the coalitions fighting the IS in Syria and Iraq. The Hindu has learnt that the PMO listened to a series of briefings in the last few weeks on India’s options in the Syrian civil war .

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 12 Jan 2016 12:03

X-posted from the IOR thread
Why Mauritius must wake up to the Islamic State threat fast - Shanthanu Mukharji, First post

Mauritius, the serene Indian Ocean island once notorious as the dumping ground of labourers of Indian origin, has started showing a disturbing trend. The Islamic State could be trying to establish a foothold here; in fact it may have made some progress on it already.

The warning signal comes from recent revelation on the presence of some Mauritians in the IS and unconfirmed reports that over the last one year some locals have traveled to Syria to join the organisation. The most disturbing development, however, is a propaganda video of the IS showing a young Mauritian, a Hindu converted to Islam a decade ago, speaking Creole (the lingua franca of Mauritius) and exhorting all Muslim brothers and sisters to come and join the promised land and to 'free Mauritius'. The propaganda speech makes a blatant appeal to people to ignore calls by current and erstwhile prime ministers of Mauritius, US President Obama and UK’s Prime Minister David Cameron for communal harmony and adhere to the preaching of the prophet, who the video presenter claims , had advised the Muslims to fight with their bodies and swords. Such a development is unprecedented in the history of Mauritius. This outburst, disseminated through a video, appears to be negating the efforts of the moderate Muslims who have been counseling the younger lot not to fall prey to the IS’ radicalisation tirade promising paradise through jihad.
Representational image. Image courtesy: ReutersRepresentational image. Image courtesy: Reuters

Muslims in Mauritius, mostly of Indian origin, have been largely non-communal and peaceful. Yet some may fall prey to the IS’s propaganda offensive. Maldives, with a population of less than four lakh, has seen a large number of inductions in IS. This should be a wake-up call for Mauritius.

What should be worrisome for India is that Pakistan too has been active, diplomatically and otherwise, in this region. The last three Pakistan High Commissioners here have been retired military officers of the rank of major general. Such assignments may be a well-crafted strategy to keep an eye on the Indian influence in the geo-strategically critical country.

In November 2012, Pakistan navy sent its warship ‘Tipu Sultan’ to the island. Despite protests by moderates, Dr Zakir Naik, an Islamic activist, was allowed to visit Mauritius in 2012. As usual, his rhetoric did have an impact on a section of the youth. In sum, Pakistan’s interest in the island and recent reports of some Mauritians joining the IS cadres cannot be seen in isolation and merit a close watch.

While Mauritius figures in Pakistan’s strategic agenda, India’s effort has been less than urgent. It has been generally posting career diplomats, mostly on the verge of retirement. The present incumbent too retires from here early, though his initiatives to keep aloft security issues have been focused and on course.

On its part, Mauritius has been lackadaisical in its approach to the emerging threats. The intelligence apparatus in the island at present is perceived to be devoting most of its time and energy to pursuing political intelligence rather than countering terror. The nascent Counter Terrorism Unit has not added teeth and fangs to its body so far. A definite roadmap to tackle terror is amiss. The officers and men at their command carry the promise to deliver, but they lack effective leadership to goad them into action.

As I write this piece, the present government marks the completion of one year in office. Its biggest task now includes pre-empting a section of misled Mauritian Muslims, albeit minuscule in number, from joining the IS. The government has spent one year of its rule in investigating political opponents. This has taken a toll on the intelligence establishment, which has lost focus on priority areas. Western intelligence agencies have been urging Mauritius to abandon its ostrich-like attitude and tackle growing radicalisation in a serious manner but to no avail.

Prime Minister Anerood Jugnauth, believed to be a staunch Hindu, was so tough against the Libyan Ambassador in 1992 that he ensured the latter's expulsion and closure of the embassy within 24 hours following allegations that the Libyan Ambassador was openly distributing money to those converting to Islam. Such a tough approach is no more visible.

Indian counter terror experts have been sincere in helping out Mauritius with sharing of intelligence and reorienting their Counter Terrorism Unit. It is expected that Mauritius would keep India on board in restructuring its apparatus to deal with threats in a meaningful way.

India can play a crucial role by augmenting intelligence sharing and imparting advance training to the Mauritian security set up. Traditionally, Mauritius has been recruiting an Indian National Security Advisor since 1983. In the light of the growing threat of terror, it would appear practical to post a serving Indian police officer (or freshly retired) with adequate background of intelligence and counter terror for Mauritius instead of assigning such an important task to individuals devoid of any active knowledge with policing.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 12 Jan 2016 12:43

Paul-> the 2 graves together means there is truth to the legend which our Historians try and white wash, that a blind prithviraj killed Ghori when the later was playing with him.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Jan 2016 04:02

X-posting A_Gupta from STFUP thread

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/as ... story.html
"IS in Afghanistan claim Pakistan consulate attack, 7 killed"

KABUL, Afghanistan — The Islamic State group claimed responsibility for an attack on a Pakistani consulate in eastern Afghanistan on Wednesday, which Afghan officials said left at least seven members of the security forces dead.

In a statement translated by the SITE Intelligence Group, U.S. monitors of militant groups, the “Khorasan Province of the Islamic State” said three of its “soldiers” attacked the consulate in Jalalabad, capital of the volatile province of Nangarhar, which borders Pakistan. It claimed to have killed “dozens” of consulate staff.

Afghan officials said seven members of the security forces were killed in the attack.

Attaullah Khyogani, spokesman for the governor of Nangarhar province, said another seven people were injured during the attack, which began when a suicide bomber detonated explosives outside the consulate in the provincial capital Jalalabad and ended with a gun battle between Afghan security forces and militants.

He said that three attackers were killed, including the one who had detonated explosives on his body at around 9 a.m.

The siege ended when the two gunmen, who had taken position in a guesthouse close to the consulate, were killed at around 12.30 p.m. local time, Khyogani said.

It was the first insurgent-style attack on a Pakistan embassy or consulate in Afghanistan, an official at the Pakistani embassy said, speaking on condition of anonymity as he was not authorized to speak to the media.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Jan 2016 04:52

Four Indians on way to join IS, held - ToI

Syria has taken four Indian youth in its custody, who were planning to the join terrorist outfit IS, and asked the Indian authorities the verify their details.

Syrian deputy Prime minister Walid al-Muallem, who is on a three-day visit to India, said the four youth had entered Syria and were taken into custody in Damascus. He, however, did not specify when they were apprehended.

"Four Indians were taken into Syrian custody in Damascus. The four young Indians were planning to join the IS and had entered Syria from Jordan," Moaulem said.

He, however, did not give details like the name, from where the youth come from and when were they taken into custody.

The development assumes significance as India has been trying to stop radicalised youths from joining the terrorist organisation. Incidentally, in December last, police arrested three youth from Nagpur airport while they were planning to leave the country for joining the IS .

Moaulem, who is also the foreign minister, said he would not be in a position to help in release of 39 Indians who were taken hostage by IS militants from Iraqi city of Mosul in June 2014. "I will try to secure their release if they are in the custody of Iraqi forces but won't be able to do anything if they are still in the custody of IS,"he said.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 14 Jan 2016 08:18

While the news is on Al Qaeda and I could not find the actual documentary, the news is important as it is on the focus that the Jihadis are giving to the Indian Sub Continent. It also is an indicator of IS vs. Al Qaeda conflict in these parts that may be seen in future.

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SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jan 2016 06:06

X-post from STFUP-TSP thread

Falijee wrote:ARY News’ office in Islamabad comes under attack – Daesh (ISIS) Afghanistan claims responsibility
But just the other day, the Paki public was assured by a Federal Minister that there is no nam-o-nishan of ISIS in Pakiland !

Terrorists linked with Daesh Afghanistan Wednesday attacked ARY News Islamabad bureau office with grenade and fired gunshots injuring a non-linear editor, ARY News reported.

Unidentified assailants riding a motorbike lobbed a hand grenade on ARY News office and fired several shots on Wednesday evening. Security guards present at the office entrance retaliated swiftly forcing the attackers to flee away dropping pamphlets.

Global terror outfit Daesh’s Afghanistan chapter claimed responsibility of the attack in the pamphlets ‘in reaction to the channels coverage of ongoing operation Zarb-e-Azb’.

Due to the attack, a non-linear editor (NLE) was injured who was hit by a shrapnel in the head. He was immediately whisked to a hospital for medical attention.

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif denounced the attack in strongest words. He directed the authorities to provide security to ARY News employees.

Information Minister Pervez Rasheed while condemning the attack resolved to eliminate all terrorists from the country. He said the government holds attack on journalist fraternity as an attack on democracy in the state.

Rasheed vowed that all resources will be utilized to eradicate terrorism menace from the soil.

Chairman of Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) Imran Khan arrived at ARY News office that came under attack today.

In his word with anchorpersons Sami Ibrahim and Kashif Abbasi, Khan said he was nearby when he heard of the blast and came to inquire well being of staffers and express solidarity with media. He said we stand with ARY News in every difficult time.

He said the media itself has been through a difficult phase and we acknowledge its sacrifices for Pakistan and democracy.

The PTI chief however said in the presence of National Action Plan (NAP) terrorism and crime has reduced countrywide, and hoped for it to be completely rooted out.

PTI leader Shah Mehmood Qureshi and Jehangir Tareen were also accompanied the party chairman.

Information Minister Pervez Rasheed and MQM lawmaker Rasheed Godil also arrived at ARY News office and extended their support to staffers.

They denounced the cowardly attack and reiterated the resolve to rid the country of all terrorists.

Why isn't Imran Khan condemning the attack openly rather than beating about the bush?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jan 2016 18:16

US declares Af-Pak wing of IS a foreign terrorist organisation - DAWN

The United States declared on Thursday the militant Islamic State group’s Afghanistan-Pakistan wing a foreign terrorist organisation.

This week, the group carried out terrorist attacks at Pakistani diplomatic missions in Afghanistan and has also been involved in previous terrorist attacks inside Pakistan.

“The US Department of State has announced the designation of ISIL-K as a Foreign Terrorist Organisation (FTO) under Section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act,” which authorises the administration to make such designations, says a statement issued in Washington.

The Department of State took this action in consultation with the Departments of Justice and the Treasury, the statement added.

The group, known as Islamic State Khurasan or ISIL-K, announced its formation on Jan 10, 2015 and is composed primarily of former members of Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan and the Afghan Taliban.

This year, the group recruited scores of fighters from the militants who fled to Afghanistan after Pakistan launched a military operation in Fata. Among the Afghan Taliban fighters, the group targets those who are disgruntled with the current Taliban leadership.

The consequences of the FTO designation include a prohibition against knowingly providing, or attempting or conspiring to provide, material support or resources to this organisation.

An official US designation also leads to a similar designation by the United Nations, which makes any association with the group an international crime.

The State Department noted that the senior leadership of the group had pledged allegiance to the IS’s central leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. This pledge was accepted in late January 2015 and since then the group has “carried out suicide bombings, small arms attacks and kidnappings in eastern Afghanistan against civilians and Afghan National Security and Defence Forces, and claimed responsibility for May 2015 attacks on civilians in Karachi, Pakistan,” the designation order added.

The State Department said that the imposition of sanctions against terrorists was an important element of Washington’s counter-terrorism efforts.

“Designations of terrorists and terrorist groups expose and isolate individuals and organisations, and result in denial of access to the US financial system,” it added.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Jan 2016 20:17

deejay wrote:While the news is on Al Qaeda and I could not find the actual documentary, the news is important as it is on the focus that the Jihadis are giving to the Indian Sub Continent. It also is an indicator of IS vs. Al Qaeda conflict in these parts that may be seen in future.

For many years we have recognized on BRF that the social model of Islam is to first turn at non Muslim minorities and eliminates the, In fact, right now (today) or Twitter there were multiple links to an interviw by a lady called Farnahaz (sp?) Ispahani pointing out how minorities have been decimated in a Pakistani "democide"

When minorities are eliminated no one in an Islamic country is bothered. In Islam it is normal to eliminate minorities if they are not subjugated. This is a fact that we kafirs forget at our own peril.

Once kafirs have been eliminated inside Islam the remaining Muslims then set upon each other and start killing each other. Ahmedis went first in Pakistan. The next level of fight is a Shia-Sunni battle. (There may be others that I am missing)

For years I pointed out that Pakistan needs more Islam and I saw the emergence of the Taliban as the "purer Islam" that Pakistani Islam had asked for. However I did not anticipate ISIS. ISIS is an interesting group - technologically adept and decentralized, well funded and heavily armed in some countries.

For too many years I have heard Muslims telling us the usual bullshit that I am dead bored of hearing about Islam being peace and certain groups not being true Muslims etc. Secularism and dhimmitude have made the world mute when calling out Islam as the problem. The problem lies within Islam itself and Muslims have to recognize it and set it straight - or they can simply join ISIS and fight with all kafirs - which will make it simpler for kafirs to discriminate against all Muslims.

In fact ISIS uses discrimination against all Muslims who do not speak up to generate recruits and supporters, but unless Muslims can see what is happening within their own religion and admit that murder is being justified in Islam as a normal event nothing is going to change.

Of course Aurangzeb was a 17h century ISIS. Pakistan army did ISIS in Bangladesh in 1971. Taliban were doing ISIS in Afghanistan. LeT and Jaish e Mohammad have been doing ISIS in India for a long time. In that sense ISIS only represents a morphing of the power center and funding of Islam - but the fact that it feeds off Islam and recruits Muslims must not be forgotten in a pseudosecular desire to call them terrorists.

Can it take hold in Pakistan? Unlikely. Pakistani groups are as violent as any ISIS cadre Will there be violence? Of course. As ling as Pakis think they are peaceful and that Islam is peaceful and good Muslims don't do all this and that India, Israel and USA are responsible - they are bullshitting themselves and they will be drinking their own blood. One part of my mind says "Let them enjoy pure islam" and the blood it spills the way they have enjoyed kafir blod. But if they don't like random violence they will have to understand that attacking and killing kafirs is only the first step in the purification of Islam . The next step is killing Muslims. Of course pure islam stopped working the day Mohammad died. What groups like Taliban/Al Qaeda and ISIS do is simply impose sharia on people while the leaders get power, money and girls to fuk as they like. That has always been the way Islamic governance works. It has never been different.

Shanu · Post by **Shanu** » 16 Jan 2016 09:05

I was really struck by the quality of writing in that pamphlet dropped in Isloo media office.

That is a good quality writing - something which is common in India but definitely uncommon in Pakistan. All the faulty spellings and grammar of usual Jihadi publications/banners come to mind. It seems to me IS is hitting a population group where no TTP/Taliban have managed to go before. Those groups were considered uncivilized/uneducated barbarians by the elite Pakjabi youth. Have seen plenty of Facebook groups, online forums where the elites used to tell the same about the tribal talibs. This pamphlet shows that IS has managed to bridge that gap, they are attracting not only tribal youth into their fold but young ones from the rich elite class as well.

It is usually said, that revolution in a country can only be successful if the elites lose their faith in the system. I am not saying Pakistani elites will en masse turn to IS, but if even a part of them turns, that helps create the 'little nests' that creates more confusion and fear among the ruling class. Makes them more pliable to external pressures.