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Postby Singha » 26 Dec 2015 08:26

the more rapid spread of islam compared to christianity is because islam came along at a time when its leading peer competitors like persia, mongol khanates, carthage and rome were in serious decline and it could fill the power vacuum rapidly...more rapidly than christianity which had a long period of struggle before being accepted as the state religion of the eastern roman empire in constantinople and spread across the 5 patriarchies from alexandria to rome.
there was none strong enough at the time to persecute muslims as a minority faith in a bigger state religion.

Theo sir iirc was speculating that just two decisive victories gave them the levers to unlock the gates east and west.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yarmouk (in syria)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of ... 81disiyyah (iraq)

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Postby shiv » 26 Dec 2015 15:44

Link via Tarek Fatah on Twitter - article by Srinagar woman on Hijab. Excerpts - click link to read it all
http://nation.com.pk/blogs/24-Dec-2015/ ... -oppressed
It was then that I started reading about Stockholm Syndrome, white guilt, etc.

I started to realize then that the women who were advocating the veil the most were the ones who found meaning in the approval of the Islamist frat boys that they earned through subjugating themselves with the 'penguin dress'.

Muslims opposing the hijab have to face arguments about personal choice from hijabi women, but it’s not about freedom of choice at all. It’s about hijabi women wanting to preserve the roles, responsibilities, obligations and limitations of women in Muslim society. That this results in pressure on all women to fall into line is not a problem for the hijabis because they think it perfectly right for women to know and occupy their proper place.

So the millions of women who are forced into the hijab, face not just the men who command it, but also the women who agree with those men, and dress it up as “freedom of choice”.

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Postby Lisa » 26 Dec 2015 16:36

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From an old link to show how an idea can imbed itself

http://freshpics.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07 ... 1960s.html

Afghanistan before the taliban, images by Mohammad Qayoumi

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Postby Singha » 26 Dec 2015 17:01

imo it would be more fair to say kabul in the 50s and 60s. their village society was and is remains very conservative though in due course with spread of soviet style universal education and industrialization, I am sure that would have changed for the better.

just as in india mumbai and pune were decades ahead as places where women could wear whatever they wanted without censure, drive, go to work, take up any career to earn a living ... but that is still not universally true of india even today.

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Postby Falijee » 26 Dec 2015 19:30

Brunei Bans Christmas - Part II :mrgreen:
How the Sultan of Brunei Stole Christmas
He kept his own harem, and believes gays should be stoned to death. Now the hypocritical sultan has banned all manner of festive merriment.

He should set an example and single out his "playboy brother" for this Non-Sharia Compliant behaviour !
The “Playboy Prince” grew up in unparalleled luxury in a gilded palace that looms over the tiny kingdom of Brunei on the northern shores of Borneo in Southeast Asia.
Behind the palace gates, his lavish and lascivious lifestyle—think harem of international models—stands in sharp contrast to the strict religious control he has imposed upon his people.
Last year, the Sultan’s Religious Enforcement Division raided businesses and demanded that Christmas trees be destroyed and store clerks take off their Santa costumes.
This year, the kingdom’s imams(trained in Saudia?) are concentrating on Muslims who might join the end-of-year celebrations.
Last year, the Sultan’s Religious Enforcement Division raided businesses and demanded that Christmas trees be destroyed and store clerks take off their Santa costumes.
This year, the kingdom’s imams are concentrating on Muslims who might join the end-of-year celebrations.
The latest crackdown comes as Christmas-lovers all over the Middle East take to Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook to proclaim their freedom to erect Christmas trees in their homes against the wishes of hardline clerics.
Many of those featured on the My Treedom Facebook page come from Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Syria, where Christmas parties are wisely kept below the radar.
Lisa Daftari, who edits the Foreign Desk website, has even had a submission from Brunei, where a secret party was held in a restaurant that boasted a wreath, a couple of Santa’s hats, and magnificent, star-topped Christmas tree.

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Postby shiv » 26 Dec 2015 20:38

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Postby Falijee » 26 Dec 2015 23:31

Fatwa Ruling On E-Cigarettes Contested In Malaysia :roll:
E-cigarettes declared HARAM in Malaysia
KUALA LUMPUR (Web Desk) – Malaysia’s National Fatwa Council has declared smoking electronic cigarettes ‘haram’, citing religious and ‘dangerous’ health concerns.
Local e-smokers are incensed, calling on the council to reconsider its strict edict, Russia Today reported on Saturday.

Have the Malsi watchdogs made a ruling on "regular" cigarettes; enquiry minds want to know- Haram or Halal? :mrgreen:
“From the syariah [the Malay spelling of ‘Sharia’] aspect, it is detrimental to health. Islam forbids its followers from using things that can harm them directly or indirectly; immediately or gradually that can lead to death, damage the body, result in dangerous illnesses or harm the mind,” the council’s chairman, Dr. Abdul Shukor Husin, stated, according to the New Straits Times.
“E-cigarettes and vapes are categorized as repulsive due to its harming effects and bad smell. They also have an element of wastage, which is by spending money on things that are harmful and non-beneficial,” he added.

“We are seeing women and school children showing interest in vape. The decision is made to prevent an unhealthy culture from spreading to future generations,” Husin said.
However, the Malaysian E-Vaperisers and Tobacco Alternative Association (Mevta) has called on the National Fatwa Council to review its ruling.

Electronic cigarettes are currently banned for Muslims in four Malaysian states. The Fatwa Council has called on the rest of the country to follow their example.“Tonight’s decision is also in line with the opinions of several other Muslim countries including Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates,” Husin said.
So, Malaysia along with the brotherly nation of Brunie, has also opted for the "greener path" on it's road to salvation.
One positive way of looking at this absurd discussion is to take comfort in the fact that these so-called Sharia experts are "peacefully employed" instead of venting their anger and rousing the Aam Abduls of Malaysia to do the "violent Jihad" like as in the other "brotherly" state of Pakistan :mrgreen:
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Postby member_19686 » 27 Dec 2015 01:23

Mehdi Hasan the Al Jazeera mullah whose discussion with Ram Madhav is doing the rounds:

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You can hear him saying it here (0:50):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzUb0OG ... e=youtu.be

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Postby member_19686 » 27 Dec 2015 03:37

So could someone else on the panel or in the audience please point out that Mehdi Hasan has expressed similar contempt for us infidels as Isis have? Here is a reminder of a sermon he gave in 2009:

‘The kuffar, the disbelievers, the atheists who remain deaf and stubborn to the teachings of Islam, the rational message of the Koran; they are described in the Koran as “a people of no intelligence”, Allah describes them as not of no morality, not as people of no belief – people of “no intelligence” – because they’re incapable of the intellectual effort it requires to shake off those blind prejudices, to shake off those easy assumptions about this world, about the existence of God. In this respect, the Koran describes the atheists as “cattle”, as cattle of those who grow the crops and do not stop and wonder about this world.’

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/on ... -infidels/

You can listen to this audio clip at the link

He is a Shia BTW.

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Postby arun » 27 Dec 2015 12:18

From Hyderabad a case of Love Jihad with Mā malakat aymānukum?

“Muslim engineer kidnapped his female colleague and raped her for five days 'to convince her to convert to Islam'”

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Watch this -

https://t.co/CrM6fKQxH8

Warning: EXTREMELY GRAPHIC VISUALS

Faithful in Afghanistan lynch a 27 year old Woman for burning the holy pook. This is the Religion of Peace. Spread it in your circles, let people vomit at the sheer gore and realise what a beast we're dealing with.

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Postby A_Gupta » 28 Dec 2015 00:03

Work in progress.

1. Islam is a "religion of peace".

- This is a theological claim, not a claim based on empirical evidence - observation of current events or of history.

2. There is a "true Islam"

- This is a theological claim. It is true that Islam derives from three primary sources - the Quran, the Hadith, and the biography of the Prophet. That does not mean that Islam is a single, coherent set of doctrines with no internal contradictions. Rather, from the primary sources, a number of different sets of doctrines can be derived, and in practice, these result in Muslims being divided into various sects that are involved in friendly as well as deadly competition.

- Our division of Muslims into "moderates" and "extremists" buys into the theological myth of a "true Islam", i.e., one side has moderated their practices with respect to the "true Islam" . No, both sides have true beliefs as per which their practices are true, where the standard of truth is the Islamic primary sources. They are incompatible because there is no single, coherent set of doctrines in Islam.

3. A "true Islam" can be established by peaceful means - via debate, etc.

- Nothing in history suggests this. Moreover, some of the "there is a true Islam" factions explicitly feel they are justified in jihad - violent actions - to establish "true Islam". All such violent factions will have to be squashed - violently - in order to enable a peaceful debate among the rest.

4. A peaceful within-Islam pluralism is possible.

- Some thinkers say that the very basis of faith in Islam is undermined if even theologically there is no "true Islam".

- Various Muslim factions will always be in competition for the theological "true Islam". This competition will not necessarily be violent, but will always be a cause for tension that could erupt into violence, until all versions of Islam prohibit violence. Peace, when it has existed, has always been imposed by a strong ruler, not by popular acclaim.

- The status of non-Muslims, even within some factions of the "peaceful within-Islam" pluralists is dubious. The non-believer, even if one of the "People of the Book", is profoundly immoral and unclean, like animals in letting his desires guide his actions. In the words of Maulana Mohammed Ali, a lying, thieving Muslim, by being a Muslim, has a higher moral standing than a Mahatma Gandhi.

However, these beliefs need not bother anyone as long as their practical impact is limited - i.e., there is a separation of religion and state, religion and law, religion and legislation.

5. Islamic rules regarding apostates are not relevant.

On the contrary, it is very relevant. Not mainly for leaving Islam, but even just for moving between the various "true Islam" factions. The charge of apostasy and the penalties for apostasy play a big role in the inter-faction rivalries and violence.

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BRao wrote:Watch this -

https://t.co/CrM6fKQxH8

Warning: EXTREMELY GRAPHIC VISUALS

Faithful in Afghanistan lynch a 27 year old Woman for burning the holy pook. This is the Religion of Peace. Spread it in your circles, let people vomit at the sheer gore and realise what a beast we're dealing with.


Evil

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Postby Satya_anveshi » 28 Dec 2015 10:18

600 copies of Koran burnt in French island of Corsica Dec 27, 2015

An Islamophobic attack rocked the French Mediterranean island of Corsica on Thursday night, when a large, angry crowd stormed a Muslim prayer room, chanting hateful slogans. Around 600 people smashed glass and burnt copies of the Koran.

RT: How strong is Islamophobic sentiment in France and Europe at the moment?

Cecile le Roux: It can only get stronger with the policies that are being put in place by [French] President, Francois Hollande, and his prime-minister, Manuel Valls. And you can see a result here with what happened. I mean obviously it’s absolutely awful, the event that happened in Ajaccio, but the reaction is just so full of anger and so obvious that it’s been built up by a feelings of Islamophobia, which is very-very sad to see in a country that’s supposed to be a pioneer of universal rights and of liberty and equality.

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Postby Singha » 28 Dec 2015 19:24

I just finished reading the book "a forgotten empire - vijaynagar" by robert sewell . visiting hampi next weekend.

will post some details on the fights of the kingdom with the bahmani and its successor 5 deccani sultanates . reading time after time of the large scale atrocities and massacres by these rivals - there seems no limit to the ambition, ferocity and intolerance of mussalman elites and their camp follower foot soldiers. there is also a interesting chapter on mohd bin tughlaq who preceded the bahmani sultan and did his own share of ravaging from gujarat to orissa.

I will post in details tomorrow. some lessons can be learnt from it and I will post my takeaways too after the details from the book. our country is faced with the same existential threat today only it has shifted north of the border to TSP and afghanistan, with ever hungry pocket hordes in places inside india also acting as sympathizers...waiting and watching.

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Postby arun » 29 Dec 2015 11:18

Mohammadden religion motivated group Boko Haram on a Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden killing spree of co-religionists using female suicide bombers in Nigeria’s Mohammadden majority Adamawa State and Borno State where a Mohammadden place of worship i.e. a Mosque, among others, was targeted .

Nigeria: Adamawa Government Says 17 Dead, 41 Injured in Madagali Suicide Attack


Female Suicide Bomber Attacks Nigerian Mosque

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Postby arun » 29 Dec 2015 14:50

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

In the Land of the Pure aka Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden violence takes the form of Mohammadden Clerics scuffling with each other in the Council for Islamic Ideology (CII), a constitutional body that advises the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s legislature whether or not a certain law is repugnant to Mohammaddenism.

This is scuffle between Mohammadden Clerics is certainly not behavior that will send Non-Mohammaddens the message that claims by Mohammaddens that theirs is “The Religion of Peace” deserve to be even cursorily considered:


Maulana Sherani, Ashrafi fight it out over 'Ahmadi issue' at CII meeting

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Postby AbhiJ » 29 Dec 2015 17:34

Can anyone compare the below Islamic rulings of ISIS on treatment of captured booty women in Allah's fight in light of the Quran, surah and Islamic history:

http://graphics.thomsonreuters.com/doc/slaves_fatwa.pdf

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Postby A_Gupta » 29 Dec 2015 18:45

The back-story of the Afghan lynching of Farkhunda Malikzada is instructive as well:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/27/world ... woman.html
Farkhunda first visited the Shah-Do Shamshira shrine — named for a foreign warrior who is said to have helped bring Islam to Afghanistan — four weeks before her death.


Farkhunda was appalled at the way the women’s superstitions were being exploited, her brother Mujibullah recalled. She confronted the custodian, Zainuddin, and the fortuneteller, Mohammad Omran, saying: “You are abusing the women. You are charging them money for something that is not Islamic, that is not religious.”

As the atmosphere at the shrine became tense, Mujibullah said, “The custodian said to Farkhunda: ‘Who the hell are you? Who are you to say these things? Get lost.’ ”


Farkhunda turned out to be right: There was something amiss at the shrine. Investigators from the police and the National Directorate of Security, the Afghan intelligence service, learned later that the fortuneteller, almost certainly with the assistance of the custodian, was trafficking in **** and condoms, said Shahla Farid, a member of the investigating committee set up by President Ashraf Ghani after the murder. **** is popular and easily available in Afghanistan. Some men see it as an aphrodisiac; others as a remedy if they are nervous on their wedding night.

The investigators also found pregnancy test strips and sweet-smelling body wash in the fortuneteller’s bathroom, suggesting that women might have used it. Ms. Farid and police investigators said it was possible that the fortuneteller moonlighted as a pimp.

The last thing the fortuneteller wanted was a young woman, fired with religious faith, disturbing his means of making a living.


On March 19, the last day of her life, Farkhunda returned to the shrine. After lecturing the women about the uselessness of the amulets, she gathered up some used ones and may have set them on fire in a trash can, said Ms. Farid, who is also a law professor at Kabul University.

“The custodian, Zainuddin, was illiterate, and he took the burnt papers and added to them some old pages of a burnt Quran, and that’s what he showed people outside the mosque as proof that she had burned the Quran,” Ms. Farid said.

That is a charge almost guaranteed to bring a violent reaction in Afghanistan, where even the rumor of a Quran burning can bring hundreds into the streets, calling for blood.

Muhammad Naeem, who sells pigeon feed across the road from the shrine, said he had heard the custodian calling out to people walking by: “A woman burned the Quran. I don’t know if this one is sick or mentally disturbed, but what kind of Muslim are you? Go and defend your Quran.”


Mr. Naeem said that a police officer had tried to lead Farkhunda away, but that, mindful of Afghan custom as well as strict Islamic teachings, she had asked the officer to bring a policewoman. The crowd broke through. In cellphone recordings, more than one person can be heard shouting, “Kill her!”


PS: The manifold ironies in the story need to be explicitly pointed out. The shrine in question is dedicated to a brutal colonizer, likely slaughterer of this woman's ancestors. The woman is upset over the non-Islamic nature of what going on in the shrine. The educated woman has turned green, not liberal. The custodian of the shrine uses the green violence over a burnt Quran to get rid of the green threat posed by the woman. The woman loses crucial moments that perhaps might have saved her life insisting on an Islamic police escort. The New York Times story meta-narrative is how western rule-of-law has not come to Afghanistan despite billions invested, one can only ask w.t.f. do they expect?

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Postby vishvak » 30 Dec 2015 00:01

The true believers of sect, to which the shrine belongs, claimed that God is one even while attacking woman of the same sect though questioning something ongoing. [God is one + true believer] is a deadly combo even for people in the same sect apparently, even though for kufr it would be the other way around ie true believer claim first, followed with passing reference to God is one and prophet is the only messenger.

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Postby A_Gupta » 30 Dec 2015 06:14

WND is a publication with an obvious bias, but still interesting:
http://www.wnd.com/2015/12/this-muslim-defines-courage/

In the interview, Ziedan explains that the al-Aqsa Mosque is not the holy site modern-day Islam believes it to be, that the mosque is actually illegitimate and that Al-Quds (Jerusalem) is not a Muslim holy city.

Ziedan tells the interviewer that after Muhammad was harassed into leaving Mecca, he journeyed to the city of Ta’if . “On the road to Ta’if [west of Mecca ] there were two mosques, Al-Adna Mosque (the nearest) and Al-Aqsa Mosque (the farthest).” So, he says, according to early Islamic historians such as al-Waqidi and others, “these two mosques were on the road from Mecca to Ta’if.” Looking at a map it is plain to see that Jerusalem is a no where close to either Mecca or Ta’if.

He explains that the al-Aqsa Mosque did not even exist in Jerusalem at that time, nor was the city ever specifically referenced in the Quran. At that time, Jerusalem was known as Aelia, which was a Christian name, not al-Quds and in fact had no mosques at all. Ziedan then explains that the al-Aqsa Mosque was constructed by the fifth caliph, Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan, 73 years after the founding of Islam as a purely political tool, “in order to infringe on the prestige of Mecca , which at the time was controlled by his political enemies. Al-Aqsa Mosque was a pawn in a political game, led by ibn Marwan,” said Ziedan. So it could not have been the mosque spoken of in the Quran.

This is why, when the “Farthest Mosque” is referenced in verse 17.1 of the Quran, which depicts Muhammad’s journey out of Mecca, the name Jerusalem is placed in brackets, denoting that the name was added.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/12/this-muslim- ... M64It5Z.99

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Postby member_19686 » 30 Dec 2015 19:00

Hindu mum: When will this end?

Published on2015-12-30 12:12:232859 views
M. Indira Ghandhi was distraught by the The Court of Appeal's move to overturn a lower court’s order quashing the unilateral conversion of her three children to Islam.

http://m.kinitv.com/video/27343O8

Civil courts have no jurisdiction over conversions, defer to Shariah Court
BY V. ANBALAGAN, ASSISTANT NEWS EDITOR

Published: 30 December 2015 10:52 AM | Updated: 30 December 2015 2:17 PM

The Court of Appeal, in a majority ruling today, held that the validity of conversion of three children by their Muslim father could only be determined by the Shariah Court.

The appellate court, saying that the Ipoh High Court did not have the jurisdiction to hear the conversion, reversed a lower court’s order quashing the unilateral conversion of the three children to Islam.


The three-man bench, headed by judge Datuk Balia Yusof Wahi, said taking the subject-matter approach, the conversion has to be decided by the religious court.

Concurring with Balia was Datuk Dr Badariah Sahamid.
Judge Datuk Hamid Sultan Abu Bakar in his dissenting judgment said that the conversion was purely an administrative matter.

He said the conversion was done by the Registrar of Conversion but did not comply strictly with the law.

“The law states that the child must make the application and the father must consent,” he said.

Here, he said, the father made the application.

“So the entire exercise was a nullity from the beginning,” Hamid added.

The judge also remarked that the conversion issue would not be settled as long as judges did not appreciate the rule of law and supremacy of the constitution.

On July 25, 2013, then High Court judge Lee Swee Seng held the conversion certificates of the children – Tevi Darsiny, Karan Dinish and Prasana Diksa – were null and void.

Lee cited provisions under Perak Shariah law where the children must be present to utter the affirmation of faith or the “syahadah”.

He said the Perak state enactment required a child to be present before a certificate of conversion could be issued.

This matter arose after the children’s father, Muhammad Riduan Abdullah, whose original named was K. Patmanathan, converted them without the knowledge and consent of his wife, kindergarten teacher M. Indira Gandhi.

The Perak Religious Department, the state and federal governments, Registrar of Conversions, Education Ministry and Riduan then challenged a High Court decision to quash the children’s conversion certificates.

In 2009, Riduan went to the Shariah Court and obtained custody of the children but last year, the High Court ordered Riduan to return the children to his ex-wife.

However, Riduan, who is said to be living in Kelantan, is still holding on to Prasana Diksa, now seven years old.

Senior Federal Counsel Shamsul Bolhassan told the bench during submission in May that Riduan could unilaterally convert the children and the civil court has no jurisdiction to hear the case.

“Only the Shariah Court is the right forum as the subject matter is about conversion.”

He said the civil court could not adjudicate the matter even if the registrar who facilitated the conversion did not follow procedures.

He added that it was legal for the father to convert the children because the Federal Court had pronounced that a parent could do so without the consent of the other spouse.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/mala ... XsATB.dpuf

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Postby saip » 30 Dec 2015 20:16

BRao wrote:Watch this -

https://t.co/CrM6fKQxH8

Warning: EXTREMELY GRAPHIC VISUALS

Faithful in Afghanistan lynch a 27 year old Woman for burning the holy pook. This is the Religion of Peace. Spread it in your circles, let people vomit at the sheer gore and realise what a beast we're dealing with.


Not burning it is 'by FALSELY ACCUSING her of burning'

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Postby shiv » 30 Dec 2015 20:29

BRao wrote:Watch this -

https://t.co/CrM6fKQxH8

Warning: EXTREMELY GRAPHIC VISUALS

Faithful in Afghanistan lynch a 27 year old Woman for burning the holy pook. This is the Religion of Peace. Spread it in your circles, let people vomit at the sheer gore and realise what a beast we're dealing with.

This is a video made by the Great Satan. Muslims don't kill Muslims. Islam is a religion of peace. For does it not say in the Koran (IX:252) that to kill a human is like killing all of humanity.

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Postby shiv » 30 Dec 2015 20:32

A_Gupta wrote: The New York Times story meta-narrative is how western rule-of-law has not come to Afghanistan despite billions invested, one can only ask w.t.f. do they expect?

Rule of law is there all right. Not American law that's all.

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Postby vishvak » 31 Dec 2015 00:22

From Levant crisis thread, fatwas issued by Islamic Sultanate viewtopic.php?p=1957878#p1957878

A rape fatwa, religious decree to rape, infidels in step by step manner should be an eye opener to anyone trying to cover up barbarians in mob under one form or another.
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Fatwa No. 64, dated Jan. 29, 2015, and issued by Islamic State's Committee of Research and Fatwas, appears to codify sexual relations between IS fighters and their female captives for the first time, going further than a pamphlet issued by the group in 2014 on how to treat slaves.
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Among the fatwa's injunctions are bans on a father and son having sex with the same female slave; and the owner of a mother and daughter having sex with both. Joint owners of a female captive are similarly enjoined from intercourse because she is viewed as "part of a joint ownership."

So what happens if a gang of barbarians do not follow even this fatwas/edicts? Are they going to hell for sure, or is there a pass given, for this too, by conscious keepers of mob.

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Postby Ashok Sarraff » 31 Dec 2015 04:22

^And to imagine great-great grandmothers of the current-day Pakistanis had to undergo all this at the hand of these barbarians!

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Postby Satya_anveshi » 31 Dec 2015 05:16

^^Not just Pukis but many in India have faced the same atrocities at the hands of Islamists in India for centuries.

You may know that in the deccan region of south (deccan itself is corrupt form of dakshin) there is/was a practice wherein a woman, after the death of her husband, shaves her head, wears only white sari, no bangles or sports a bindi/kumkum....this is more prominent among Brahmin widows.

It turns out that this was because Islamists soldiers used to lift 'unclaimed' women out of towns/villages to be brought to their harems.

By shaving head etc women made themselves look ugly so as to discourage islamists from taking them away.

This was so common that it became a social practice and followed till about a generation ago. Select such women still live but thankfully this practice can be said to have died now.

There are thousands of such stories from all across India from J&K, Punjab, Rajasthan, Maharashtra, Telangana, Karnataka, to Delhi, UP, Bihar, Bengal.


There is hardly any effort to educate the public about how our ancestors also faced very similar atrocities committed by ISIS.

If anti-semitism or denial of holocaust is crime and subject of millions of articles all over the world, why not these atrocities that we have faced too?

If I were PM of India, I will use this single issue to educate public, say that we cannot let this happen ever again not just to ourselves but even to others, and go bomb the shit out of these mofos. This will make entire women folks even among muslims to back such efforts. This will successfully divide the minority and enable ghar wapsi at the roots.

We would also be the first country to wage a modern war to protect the honor of women and garner un-matchable soft power.

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Postby sum » 31 Dec 2015 06:27

If I were PM of India, I will use this single issue to educate public, say that we cannot let this happen ever again not just to ourselves but even to others, and go bomb the shit out of these mofos. This will make entire women folks even among muslims to back such efforts. This will successfully divide the minority and enable ghar wapsi at the roots.

Saar, in a country where even trying to critisize a guy like Aurangzeb or Tipu leads to "peaceful protests" all over the country, that seems a tall order.

IIRC, the "minority" have turned the corner and gone past point of no-return and it is seen in their behaviour in personal conversation and online chatter ( region of country, education, wealth level etc doesnt matter). This should have been done immediately in 47-71 timeframe when the iron was hot. I believe the horse has long bolted and grim tidings are ahead as attitudes harden on both sides.

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Postby Satya_anveshi » 31 Dec 2015 07:01

I don't disagree. But that is precisely why we should find an external enemy and drive home the pt. Doing anything internally is difficult.

Try to find provocateurs and manufacture consent if need be to achieve the goals.

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Postby KJo » 31 Dec 2015 08:10

Satya_anveshi wrote:^^Not just Pukis but many in India have faced the same atrocities at the hands of Islamists in India for centuries.
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I am told that in North India weddings are held at night in order to avoid attention from Islamist forces who would kidnap the bride.

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Postby Arjun » 31 Dec 2015 08:13

sum wrote:IIRC, the "minority" have turned the corner and gone past point of no-return and it is seen in their behaviour in personal conversation and online chatter ( region of country, education, wealth level etc doesnt matter). This should have been done immediately in 47-71 timeframe when the iron was hot. I believe the horse has long bolted and grim tidings are ahead as attitudes harden on both sides.

If it is true that Abrahamics have a strong tendency to develop victimization complex & deliberate denigrating attitude towards non-Abrahamic host societies where they are present as minorities - we need a term to be popularized for this phenomenon. Like Islamophobia, also a disputed term, both viewpoints can at least be debated in public.

Any thoughts on what this term can be?

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Postby Virendra » 31 Dec 2015 10:44

KJo wrote:
Satya_anveshi wrote:^^Not just Pukis but many in India have faced the same atrocities at the hands of Islamists in India for centuries.
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I am told that in North India weddings are held at night in order to avoid attention from Islamist forces who would kidnap the bride.

Don't know about past, but definitely not true for these days. Similar crap theories float around for vermilion on women's forehead as sign of consummated married life, to lower chances of Islamist rape during medieval era.
Firstly the pandits pick wedding time and our people have been very disciplined in not pushing the pandits too much.
Secondly even if there is discretion to some extent; it is because in day everybody is busy and wouldn't turn up at wedding except the two immediate families. Though if you thnk retrospectively, saves a lot of money on food and tent :D :D

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Postby Aditya_V » 31 Dec 2015 13:04

A_Gupta wrote:WND is a publication with an obvious bias, but still interesting:
http://www.wnd.com/2015/12/this-muslim-defines-courage/

In the interview, Ziedan explains that the al-Aqsa Mosque is not the holy site modern-day Islam believes it to be, that the mosque is actually illegitimate and that Al-Quds (Jerusalem) is not a Muslim holy city.

Ziedan tells the interviewer that after Muhammad was harassed into leaving Mecca, he journeyed to the city of Ta’if . “On the road to Ta’if [west of Mecca ] there were two mosques, Al-Adna Mosque (the nearest) and Al-Aqsa Mosque (the farthest).” So, he says, according to early Islamic historians such as al-Waqidi and others, “these two mosques were on the road from Mecca to Ta’if.” Looking at a map it is plain to see that Jerusalem is a no where close to either Mecca or Ta’if.

He explains that the al-Aqsa Mosque did not even exist in Jerusalem at that time, nor was the city ever specifically referenced in the Quran. At that time, Jerusalem was known as Aelia, which was a Christian name, not al-Quds and in fact had no mosques at all. Ziedan then explains that the al-Aqsa Mosque was constructed by the fifth caliph, Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan, 73 years after the founding of Islam as a purely political tool, “in order to infringe on the prestige of Mecca , which at the time was controlled by his political enemies. Al-Aqsa Mosque was a pawn in a political game, led by ibn Marwan,” said Ziedan. So it could not have been the mosque spoken of in the Quran.

This is why, when the “Farthest Mosque” is referenced in verse 17.1 of the Quran, which depicts Muhammad’s journey out of Mecca, the name Jerusalem is placed in brackets, denoting that the name was added.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/12/this-muslim- ... M64It5Z.99


It will never be accepted, See Ayodhya or Ram Janmabhoomi is of no value to Muslims, yet Muslims and Seculars don't want to give up the and, just to spite Hindus?

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Postby Aditya_V » 31 Dec 2015 13:20

saip wrote:
BRao wrote:Watch this -

https://t.co/CrM6fKQxH8

Warning: EXTREMELY GRAPHIC VISUALS

Faithful in Afghanistan lynch a 27 year old Woman for burning the holy pook. This is the Religion of Peace. Spread it in your circles, let people vomit at the sheer gore and realise what a beast we're dealing with.


Not burning it is 'by FALSELY ACCUSING her of burning'


In fact, many people classifying themselves as virulently secular in India are so uneducated, they make causual statements crossing Islamic redlines, the same guys regularly diss Hinduism. These guys don't how much trouble they will get thier loudmouths into one day. It doesnt take much to get you killed in some situations.

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Postby arun » 31 Dec 2015 16:03

Mohammaddens target neighbourhood occupied by fellow Abrahamic Christists in the Syrian city of Qamishli. Wire service Associated Press via Egyptian newspaper Al Haram reports that 13 of the 16 victims were adherents of Christism and that the Mohammadden religion motivated group ISIS aka Islamic State has taken responsibility for the attack:

ISIS bombings of restaurants in Syria kill 16 in northern city

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Postby BRao » 31 Dec 2015 17:14

Satya_anveshi wrote:This will make entire women folks even among muslims to back such efforts. This will successfully divide the minority and enable ghar wapsi at the roots.


Wishful thinking sir. Not going to happen. Islamic women are the forefront of abusing other non-covered infidel women & those in India hold young Hindu girls in special contempt for their 'loose morals'. You have to see their attitude towards Hindu women in the cities to believe it.

Indian Muslims - including those in Pakistan & Bangladesh are over the point of no return. Just visit any Indian Islamic page on social media or talk to any Indian Muslim. Their loyalty to Islam trumps loyalty to the country by a large, large margin. There are many gullible Hindus who buy their talk of 'India is our country. Nobody can throw us out. We live here and die here. Etc etc'. What these gullible Hindus don't understand is this is typical of Islam - put a foot in the door and then out-populate the region driving all non-Muslims out. Blind Hindus think this is Muslim's deshbhakti.

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Postby arun » 01 Jan 2016 08:07

X Posted from the “Pakistani Role In Global Terrorism” thread.

Joh Lahore mein Gan*u woh London mein bhi Gan*u.

Mohammadden couple by name of Mohammed Rehman and Sana Ahmed Khan with origins in the terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan “found guilty of plotting a massive terror attack in London ahead of the 10th anniversary of the July 7 bombings this year”:

Pak-origin ‘Silent Bomber’ couple jailed for life over London terror plot

A bit more from the UK’s Daily Mail on Mohammaed Rehman’s links to the terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

………… Rehman, who was already a heavy cannabis user, walked out on an arranged marriage in Pakistan when his wife was four months pregnant and returned to Britain.

The child died six weeks after she was born, without Rehman ever seeing her or bothering to return for the funeral.

He had worked at Tesco until he was fired for stealing a chocolate bar and then went to work as a delivery driver for Dominos Pizzas but after returning from Pakistan he never worked again and was constantly borrowing money from his parents to pay his drug debts. …………….


From here : Clicky

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Postby arun » 01 Jan 2016 09:00

Narrative of Mohammadden victimhood goes awry.

Christmas day fire in a Mohammadden place of worship in Houston which Mohammaddens said that “We don't have anything here high tech, cooking or kitchen, anything that can cause this kind of fire. The only thing is pointing to is it could be hate or something” (Clicky) turns out to have nothing to do with “hate” or “Islamophobia” or any such thing. It now turns out that a “devout attendee” at the Mosque set off the fire at the Mosque making this a Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden incident of arson :lol: :

Houston Mosque Fire Set by 'Devout' Muslim Attendee

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) must also be feeling hoist by one’s own petard after urging “investigators to consider bias as a possible motive” :wink: (Houston Chronicle).


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