India - The Indian Ocean Civilization & IOR

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Re: India - The Indian Ocean Civilization & IOR

Postby vijaykarthik » 25 Jul 2015 09:25

I am shocked in a way though. Isn't it the same place to whom we rushed water supplies when a calamity happened [or a fire broke out or something] and their only water treatment plant failed to work.

Is this how we get paid in return? I hope the establishment is doing something powerful behind the scenes to ensure that ridiculous stuff like this doesn't happen.

Regime changes are fine. But these kinds of thoughts are things that will end up staying regardless of parties [lets be fair to ourselves and think: Is the Con really different from BJP today when it comes to policies / approach? We get influenced by larger countries too!] Its more imperative that there is a clear stick in sight that Maldives is aware of and doesn't want to see that stick coming down in retaliation. Thats the best way to counter these inane measures. Taken by a parliament.

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Postby kit » 25 Jul 2015 14:01

The new Maldivian offer of leasing Islands for 1 billion looks suspiciously like tailored for state players who employ middle men for the job ...like the one businessman who bought an ex soviet carrier ostensibly for conversion to a hotel !!
.. Maldives need a regime change asap !!..

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Postby A_Gupta » 25 Jul 2015 19:33

The British colonial empire began and grew by their need to protect expanding commercial interests. It is unfortunate that this seems to be the inevitable path for any nation?

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Postby schinnas » 25 Jul 2015 22:02

China is proving to be an evil power like the Nazis. They are very ruthless and do not regard any convention or international agreement. As they become more powerful they become more arrogant and brazen in their power play. They actually make the US neo cons looks good. I cannot imagine a world where Cheen is the sole super power.

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Postby A_Gupta » 08 Aug 2015 17:42

http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/61445
"Indian Ocean will remain demilitarized, Maldives assures India"
Maldives president Abdulla Yameen has written to Prime Minister Narendra Modi to assure him that there will be no militarization in the Indian Ocean, Indian media has reported.

The assurance was reportedly conveyed in a letter that the Maldivian foreign secretary Ali Naseer Mohamed handed over to the external affairs minister Sushma Swaraj on Friday.

Indian media quoted sources in the Indian government that President Yameen had written in response to Modi’s letter that had been conveyed by foreign secretary S Jaishankar who was in Maldives last week.

The assertion by the Maldives comes in the wake of the amendment to the Maldives’ constitution allowing foreign investors land ownership. The rushed passing of the amendment by the Parliament with ruling party majority has further fueled India’s claims of China seeking a military foothold in the Indian Ocean through the Maldives.

In his letter, Modi had reportedly been diplomatic, focusing on bilateral relations in positive terms, referring to the long-standing ties with defence and security cooperation being a vital component. The Prime Minister also noted in his letter that India has always assisted Maldives in the latter’s time of need, Indian media claimed.

Modi’s scheduled state visit to the Maldives in March was called off due to the increasing political strife in the Maldives at the time.

President Yameen also reiterated standing invitation to Prime Minister Modi to visit Maldives.

Indian media also quoted sources saying that there was no reason that Modi could not visit Maldives, if relations continued to improve and there were no concerns about any harm against Indian interests.

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Postby A_Gupta » 11 Aug 2015 20:02

Curious news-item.
"Maldives arrest foreigners heading for Diego Garcia"
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 439928.cms

COLOMBO: The Maldives has arrested seven foreigners who left the country illegally by trawler and were headed for a US military base on Diego Garcia, a minister said on Tuesday.

The foreigners were intercepted in the locally hired boat on Monday off the Maldives' southernmost atoll of Addu heading to Diego Garcia several hundred kilometres away, said Mohamed Shareef, a minister attached to the president's office.

He did not give the nationalities of the seven, but local newspaper Haveeru said they were Germans and Italians.

Diego Garcia, a British territory in the Indian Ocean, is currently leased to the United States, which operates a highly-guarded military base used for bombing raids on Afghanistan and Iraq.

The Maldives is holding the group for leaving the honeymoon islands illegally.

"We are continuing investigations and so far the foreigners have told us that they were on a whale-watching expedition. But you don't step out in rough weather when there are eight-foot waves to look for whales," Shareef told AFP.

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Postby schinnas » 11 Aug 2015 20:30

A_Gupta wrote:http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/61445
"Indian Ocean will remain demilitarized, Maldives assures India"


How would we be able to validate that? Will Maldives allow inspections by Indians to ensure they are demilitarized? It can be accomplished with appropriate wordings if Maldives signs a strategic partnership agreement with India.

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Postby A_Gupta » 11 Aug 2015 20:37

^^^ Shouldn't India's satellites be sufficient? Gagan, can you weigh in?

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Postby schinnas » 11 Aug 2015 22:08

A_Gupta wrote:^^^ Shouldn't India's satellites be sufficient? Gagan, can you weigh in?


That wouldn't be as binding as a formal strategic agreement signed by President and ratified in their constitution.

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Postby A_Gupta » 22 Dec 2015 20:47

http://www.firstpost.com/world/why-maur ... 55616.html
"Why Mauritius must wake up to the Islamic State threat fast"
The warning signal comes from recent revelation on the presence of some Mauritians in the IS and unconfirmed reports that over the last one year some locals have traveled to Syria to join the organisation. The most disturbing development, however, is a propaganda video of the IS showing a young Mauritian, a Hindu converted to Islam a decade ago, speaking Creole (the lingua franca of Mauritius) and exhorting all Muslim brothers and sisters to come and join the promised land and to 'free Mauritius'. The propaganda speech makes a blatant appeal to people to ignore calls by current and erstwhile prime ministers of Mauritius, US President Obama and UK’s Prime Minister David Cameron for communal harmony and adhere to the preaching of the prophet, who the video presenter claims , had advised the Muslims to fight with their bodies and swords. Such a development is unprecedented in the history of Mauritius. This outburst, disseminated through a video, appears to be negating the efforts of the moderate Muslims who have been counseling the younger lot not to fall prey to the IS’ radicalisation tirade promising paradise through jihad.


What should be worrisome for India is that Pakistan too has been active, diplomatically and otherwise, in this region. The last three Pakistan High Commissioners here have been retired military officers of the rank of major general. Such assignments may be a well-crafted strategy to keep an eye on the Indian influence in the geo-strategically critical country.

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Postby A_Gupta » 28 Dec 2015 19:08

http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/65162
India thanks Maldives for 'India First' policy
ndia's top representative in Maldives thanked the island nation's president Monday for his "India first" policy, as he looks to end his tenure early next year.

Earlier this month, India had assigned Akilesh Mishra, who currently serves as the Consul General of India in Toronto, to replace Rajeev Shahare as the new high commissioner to the Maldives.

“[Mishra] is expected to join shortly in early January,” a statement, released by the Indian High Commission in Male after a farewell call on the president by Shahare Monday morning, read.

According to the high commission, during the meeting, Shahare said that it was a matter of great honour and privilege to serve as India’s high commissioner in the close and friendly neighbouring country of Maldives. He thanked President Yameen for his “India First” policy and endorsing Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s “Neighbourhood First” policy, it added.

“It was noted that the close and friendly relationship between India and Maldives witnessed further deepening of ties during the tenure of High Commissioner Shahare,” the statement read.

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Postby A_Gupta » 11 Jan 2016 17:51

http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/65514
Indian foreign secretary Jaishankar arrived in Maldives Monday afternoon on a one-day official visit as a special envoy of the Indian prime minister. He was greeted on arrival at the Ibrahim Nasir International Airport by his Maldivian counterpart Ali Naseer Mohamed.

In a statement, the President’s Office said the president briefed the Indian foreign secretary on the latest developments in local politics. He sought India’s assistance in several areas, including domestic and international affairs, it added.

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Postby A_Gupta » 22 Jan 2016 00:31

http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/econom ... 12921.html
Mauritius offers biofarming technology to India Possible areas of cooperation were identified at the first joint committee meeting between India and Mauritius for the cooperation in MSME sector.

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Postby SSridhar » 08 Feb 2016 10:53

Indian Ocean region a policy priority: Modi - The Hindu
Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Sunday invited international companies to make in India and make for India under a drive launched by his government. He wanted the youth of the coastal areas to join the endeavour to make India a Blue Economy. Speaking at the International Fleet Review 2016 here in the evening, he talked about reigniting the manufacturing sector with the ‘Make in India’ campaign. Defence and shipbuilding were its focus areas.

Pointing out that India is a maritime nation, Mr. Modi underscored the importance of the Indian Ocean region to the country.

“The Indian Ocean region is one of my foremost policy priorities. Our approach is evident in our vision of ‘Sagar,’ which means “Ocean” and which stands for Security and Growth for All in the Region. We would continue to pursue and promote our geo-political, strategic and economic interests in the seas, especially the Indian Ocean,” he said.


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Postby A_Gupta » 04 Jan 2017 14:18

INS Darshak completes survey in Mauritius
http://www.thehansindia.com/posts/index ... ius/271890
Indian Naval Ship Darshak completed hydrographic survey in Mauritius.

A ceremonial fair-sheet depicting hydrographic surveys undertaken by Darshak was presented to Seetanah Lutchmeenaraidoo, Minister of Foreign Affairs, Regional Integration and International Trade of Mauritius, on Tuesday by Abhay Thakur, high commissioner, accompanied by captain Peush Pawsey Commanding Officer, INS Darshak.

INS Darshak was deployed for a joint hydrographic survey from December 3 to January 3 with the objective of preparing and publishing two new charts of Mauritian waters as per enhanced charting scheme agreed between India and Mauritius.

The resultant products will be a significant step towards enhancing the level of navigational safety for merchant ships visiting Mauritius as they will replace vintage 19th century data around the island of Mauritius.

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Postby SSridhar » 11 Apr 2017 07:43

Till the next port of call - Alexandre Ziegler, The Hindu

It is rare for an ambassador of a foreign country to write an article when a naval mission of that country docks at a port of another country.

Mission Jeanne d’Arc, made up of the amphibious assault ship/landing platform dock (LPD), Mistral, and the frigate, Courbet, called at the Mumbai port between March 29 and April 3, having set sail from the French military base in Djibouti before heading for Vietnam. It is for the third consecutive year that France has deployed this important mission in the Indian Ocean, the China Seas and the Pacific region.

On each occasion, France has chosen to call at an Indian port: Visakhapatnam in 2015 and Kochi in 2016. At the time, it had just carried out an evacuation operation in Yemen in coordination with the Indian Navy, as part of providing Humanitarian Assistance and Disaster Relief (HADR), for which our LPDs are among the best in the world, given their cargo capacities and deployment capabilities.

These port calls always give rise to enriching interactions between navies. The 2017 edition was no exception, with numerous reciprocal visits and exercises carried out with our officer cadets. I was able to observe this first-hand alongside Rear Admiral Didier Piaton, French Joint Forces Commander in the Indian Ocean (ALINDIEN). But over the past two years, these calls have acquired a special dimension; they reflect and support the swift development of cooperation between our two countries.

Growing cooperation


Along with combating terrorism, maritime security has become a priority of our defence and security cooperation.

In fact, it greatly contributes to this cooperation given the threat of maritime terrorism. France has not forgotten the numerous victims the 2008 Mumbai attacks claimed, two of whom were our nationals.

Several concrete examples illustrate this unprecedented dynamic pace: in 2015, our carrier strike group (CSG) with the aircraft carrier, Charles de Gaulle, at its core, docked at Goa as part of our bilateral exercise, “Varuna”. On that occasion, the Indian Navy — one of the few to also possess an aircraft carrier — could train on the naval version of the Rafale, which our CSG forces are equipped with. At the end of this month, the next edition of the “Varuna” exercise will be held, this time off the French coast. Once again, significant assets will be mobilised. In the meantime, India and France have held two high-level bilateral dialogues on maritime security in the Indian Ocean and signed their first White Shipping Agreement on January 18, 2017; the latter’s operationalisation will be a significant step towards more ambitious exchanges and complex cooperation.

We will not rest on our laurels. There are several reasons for this. France has significant interests in the Indian Ocean due to its overseas territory, Reunion Island, which is home to over a million French citizens; its 2.8 million square kilometres of exclusive economic zone (i.e. more than 10% of the Indian Ocean’s surface), and the volume of sea traffic in this zone. Due to this, we have significant means in the Indian Ocean, whether deployed permanently or depending on requirement. India is France’s top strategic partner in Asia and our intention is to work towards making this relation fructify further alongside our other partners in the region such as Australia, Japan, Singapore and Vietnam. We share, in particular, the same values of preserving the freedom of navigation and respecting the international law of the sea.

Therefore, it is both natural and necessary that France and India do more together in the Indian Ocean to serve our shared interests of security. I am convinced that over the next few years, this cooperation will become one of the pillars of the strategic partnership between our two countries. We are ready to take up this challenge.

Alexandre Ziegler is the Ambassador of France to India

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Postby ricky_v » 27 May 2019 15:25

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-05-24/un-vote-on-diego-garcia-island-imperils-u-s-national-security
This week the United Nations General Assembly voted overwhelmingly to force the U.K., which colonized the islands during the Napoleonic wars and now controls them as a British Indian Ocean Territory, to return them to Mauritius, which achieved independence from Britain in the mid-1960s.
The nonbinding vote affirmed a ruling by the International Court of Justice earlier this year holding that “the process of decolonization of Mauritius was not lawfully completed when that country acceded to independence” and that “the United Kingdom is under an obligation to bring to an end its administration of the Chagos Archipelago as rapidly as possible.”

As with so many UN votes, it’s purely symbolic, and the U.K. has no intention of gifting the archipelago to Mauritius, an island nation roughly 1,400 miles to the southwest. But the crushing vote of 116 to 6 certainly gives momentum to the movement against the U.K. In addition to Britain, the nations voting against the measure were the U.S., Hungary, Israel, Australia and the Maldives, a rival Indian Ocean nation. Perhaps the biggest blow: Most of the U.K.’s key allies, including France and Germany, abstained.

There are prominent supporters of Mauritius’s claim in Britain as well: Jeremy Corbyn, who will be the next prime minister if Britons prove as misguided as the Americans who elected Donald Trump,

But it was the creation of the Diego Garcia base – what the U.S. Navy calls its “unsinkable aircraft carrier” – that made the 17-mile-square island one of the most important military assets in the world.

In the 1991 Gulf War, B-52 bombers took advantage of the site’s very long airstrips to drop bombs on Iraqi troops 3,000 miles away. That role has expanded greatly during the endless wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. It’s also the launch point for counterterrorism missions on the Horn of Africa and anti-piracy operations off Somalia.

A few thousand U.S. and U.K. troops and civilians operate not just the port and air fields there but also high-tech surveillance equipment including one of the Pentagon’s three Ground-Based Electro-Optical Deep Space Surveillance Systems, which can see objects the size of a basketball 25,000 miles away. My Bloomberg Opinion colleague James Stavridis, a retired four-star admiral who led NATO's alliance globally, told me: "After many trips to Diego Garcia over decades going back to 1978, I have personally seen the absolute criticality of this crucial base. We have literally used it in every forward military operation in Africa and Southwest Asia for 40 years, and are relying on it again now to support our presence in the Gulf as we work to deter Iran."

Losing the base at Diego Garcia would be a tremendous blow to U.S. and global security, and a win for terrorists, drug smugglers and pirates. It would also be a boon to China’s economic offensive, and perhaps its military ambitions as well: Just imagine Mauritius leasing the base to the People’s Liberation Navy.

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Postby Vips » 07 Sep 2019 17:58

DNA analysis of Rakhigarhi remains challenges Aryan invasion theory.

A newly published archaeological study based on DNA analysis of skeletal remains at the Rakhigarhi site in Haryana has claimed that inhabitants of the Indus Valley Civilisation (IVC) were a distinct indigenous people and challenges the theory of an "Aryan invasion" ending Harrapan culture.

The study says IVC people were a south Asian group of indigenous people whose continuity of existence is traced back to before 7000 BC. The study, which is based on the genome sample obtained from one individual whose skeleton was extracted, suggests no noticeable migration of people and claims to have dismantled the Aryan theory.

"This breakthrough research completely sets aside the Aryan migration-invasion theory. The skeleton remains found in the upper part of the Citadel area of Mohenjo Daro belonged to those who died due to floods and were not massacred by Aryans as hypothesised by Sir Mortimer Wheeler. The Aryan invasion theory is based on very flimsy grounds," said Vasant Shinde, former vice-chancellor of Deccan College, and one of the authors of the study. The team of 28 researchers was led by Vasant Shinde of Deccan College of Pune and included Vageesh Narasimhan and David Reich of Harvard Medical School and Niraj Rai of the Birbal Sahni Institute of Palaeosciences among others.

The findings also lay bare the noteworthy progress the Indian culture had already made at the time, putting it on a par with the 2000 BC Mesopotamian civilisation.

Among its key findings, the study suggests that farming was indigenous to India, contradicting an earlier belief that it was brought to the region through migrations from Iran, and, most significantly, that Harappan genes are present in varying quantities in all south Asians.

The study argues that the DNA analysis shows that the people at Rakhigarhi, and the individual whose skeleton was examined, are from a population that is the largest source of ancestry for south Asians. "The Iranian-related ancestry in IVC derives from a lineage leading to early Iranian farmers, herders, and hunter gatherers before their ancestors separated, contradicting the hypothesis that the shared ancestry between early Iranians and south Asians reflects a large-scale spread of western Iranian farmers east," the study says, arguing that this contradicts significant migrations during the IVC period.

The study explains the spread of Indo-European languages to likely later migrations. "...a natural route for Indo-European languages to have spread into south Asia is from eastern Europe via central Asia in the first half of the 2nd millennium BCE, a chain of transmission that did occur as has been documented in detail with ancient DNA. The fact that Steppe pastoralist ancestry in south Asia matches that in Bronze Age eastern Europe provides additional evidence for this theory, as it elegantly explains the shared distinctive features of Balto-Slavic and Indo-Iranian languages." The mature IVC was spread over northwest India between 2600-1900 BCE.

Speaking to TOI, Dr Niraj Rai of the Birbal Sahni Institute of Paleosciences, who conducted the genetic research on the Rakhigarhi skeletons, defended the extrapolation of data on the basis of one genome sample.

"One sample means a billion people. That is the power of genetics. We have conclusive data and evidence to prove that there was no Aryan invasion. Also, there is conclusive evidence that shows farming was indigenous to India," he said. Rai also said that excavations found evidence that indigenous people migrated from the north to south India between 1800 BC and 1600 BC, likely following the collapse of the Indus Valley Civilisation by factors like drying up of the Saraswati basin.

This was nearly 100 years before Arabians and central Asian Steppe population arrived in India. "Since the first batch of migration to the south took place before the arrival of the Steppe population, the population in north India had a greater affinity to the Steppe people than the ones who migrated to the south," he said.

The 28-member team of experts who collaborated on the study also said hunter-gatherers in south Asia had an independent origin and were authors of the settled way of life in this part of the world.

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Postby chola » 09 Sep 2019 14:50

^^^ We need some systematic way of spreading this truth across Pakiland. It will destroy their TFTA psyche that is predicated on this falsehood they inherited camel herder genes from Central Asia and the Middle East.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 09 Sep 2019 14:53

chola wrote:^^^ We need some systematic way of spreading this truth across Pakiland. It will destroy their TFTA psyche that is predicated on this falsehood they inherited camel herder genes from Central Asia and the Middle East.

Not gonna happen as long as paki and islam as entities exist in current forms...

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Postby vishvak » 09 Sep 2019 16:35

that indigenous people migrated from the north to south India between 1800 BC and 1600 BC

Just to note, there wasn't any 'invasion' prior to dark age mediaeval barbarism. The entire AIT is to hide what was done under some garb or other - and to pass off future such plans as not barbaric.

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Postby Vips » 10 Sep 2019 03:36

NewsX coverage on the same. The silence by the general media on this discovery is surprising.


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Postby Vips » 12 Sep 2019 00:27



India first Civilisation, Analysis by Vasant Shinde at Deccan College, Pune.

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Postby Vips » 21 Sep 2019 01:06



Ancient graffiti found in Keezhadi, Madurai; Aryan invasion falling apart.India's histroy re-written.


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