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Syrian Army Secures More Areas near Nubbul, Zahraa, Terrorists Flee
The Syrian army, backed by the popular defense units, seized more areas near Nubbul and Zahraa in Aleppo countryside, securing the two towns against the Takfiri insurgents.
Field sources told al-Manar that the Syrian army and the popular defense units established full control of Rityan and Mair towns in the northern countryside of Aleppo province.Aleppo countryside
The move is considered important as it secures Nubbul and Zahraa, the two towns which were besieged by the Takfiri insurgents for more than three years. The allied forces broke the siege of the two towns on Wednesday.
Meanwhile, the sources added that scores of militants fled Aleppo’s northern countryside, heading to Bab al-Salama border crossing with Turkey.
Media reports said that that the Turkish authorities have shut the crossing with thousands have been gathering there.

“Turkey has been forced to shut the border for the second day in a row after {the guards receiving baksheesh} being overwhelmed by the {weight of loot collected from the} number of refugees,” The Independent said on Saturday.
There is a video below "shows exclusive scenes of Mair."

Look at all the red-earth ridges built by the sides of roads - presumably to allow infantry/tank movement in shelter? Who built these I wonder. Takes a lot of slaves or a lot of construction machines, or both.
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Nubbul and Zahraa Towns Pay Hero Welcome to Syrian Army, Allies
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Nubbul and Zahraa after liberationResidents and families of Nubbul and Zahraa towns in Aleppo northern countryside gave the Syrian army and its allies a hero welcome on Thursday after they succeeded in breaking the siege imposed on the towns by terrorist groups for more than 40 months.

The families of the freed towns took the streets in jubilation and thanked the Syrian army and its allies for their efforts in freeing their towns and breaking the terrorists’ siege which plagued the towns with poverty and deprivation of their basic needs. Following are the scenes of jubilation and rejoice among the people of Nubbul and Zahraa towns:
So not all civilians have fled - or some have returned?
No scenes of les femmes climbing on les tanques and kissing les Amis. I suppose that would be haraam here. But the soldiers' expressions etc look fairly genuine - they seem to have enough watchfulness left.
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construction dozers have built these earth berms all over syria and iraq. hardly any real trenches. maybe lack of artillery on both sides means lying behind berms are fine...else trenches r much safer from massed artillery
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persians baiting the saudis. calling them impotent.

Hassan Ridha ‏@sayed_ridha 6h6 hours ago
Maj. Gen. Jafari: If #SaudiArabia does send troops into #Syria it will be a "bullet of mercy" to its regime, which wouldn't be a bad thing

Maj. Gen. Jafari, commander of #IRGC: #SaudiArabia doesn't have the audacity to send troops into #Syria
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a line of IS somewhere in ramadi

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"misguided youth" join the mainstream near homs and desert militants to sign up with syrian army
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while worlds attention is focussed on aleppo, the more serious breakdown of rebel lines could be in center (homs-hama) and south (jordan border). jordan seems to have grown tired of the circus and backed away itself or been bribed/threatened to pull the plug on its tactical support.

with capture of daraa the saa has cut the rebel enclave into two and reached the gate of the jordan border.
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reports of 100s of rebels being slaughtered in Rityan by a combination of RuAF CAS and ground forces. they say FSA sent 100 reinforcements there and "none returned"

lot of bodies lying around
https://twitter.com/MeResistance/status ... 4612037632

probably ruaf delivered some large scale cluster attacks - as I mentioned above, reclining behind these berm defences is fine for ground fighting but very exposed to any artillery(airburst shells or grads) or airpower.
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this model is going to be repeated. ground forces acting as screens and 'beaters' to fix and corral rebels into certain areas which are then pounded nonstop by artillery, grads, TOS and CAS....the ring closing slowly as the defenders numbers fall....

all they need is cheap artillery and grads and Rus has mountains of those.

as everywhere, artillery is the king and queen of battle and causes the most casualties...far more than small arms combat.
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Children will fight the battle of moderate terrorists FSA now in Aleppo. I am sure USA will supply them arms, training and a lot of political backing.

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http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/reb ... rn-aleppo/
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SAA have ISIS in trouble at Al Quryatan.

http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/isi ... quraytayn/
ISIS fighters surrounded as the Syrian Army advances to Quraytayn

In a matter of days, the Syrian Arab Army’s 120th Brigade of the 2nd Division – backed by the Syrian Social Nationalist Party (SSNP) and the National Defense Forces (NDF) – reached the western flank of Quraytayn after almost losing the main road from the nearby village of Maheen inside the Homs Governorate’s southeastern countryside.

On Friday afternoon, the Syrian Arab Army’s 120th Brigade and their allies launched a preliminary counter-offensive to push their way back to the western flank of Quraytayn in order to surround the aforementioned city from three sides, leaving the so-called “Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham” (ISIS) with only one route to flee the area.

While the Syrian Armed Forces have not entered Quraytayn, they could strike the city at any moment; however, the government forces are waiting for their allies from Liwaa Suqour Al-Sahra (Desert Hawks Brigade) and Dara’ Qalamoun (Qalamoun Shield) to capture the Al-Mahsaa Mountains to the south.

ISIS has controlled the city of Quraytayn since early August of 2015 when they launched a massive assault in southeastern Homs; they would ultimately seize the Tanf border-crossing into the Al-‘Anbar Governorate of Iraq, while also capturing hundreds of square miles around the province’s southeastern border.
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Riyadh (AFP) - With rebel forces facing the prospect of a crushing defeat by Syria's Russian-backed regime, their allies Saudi Arabia and Turkey may send in limited numbers of ground troops, analysts say.
Riyadh has left open the possibility of deploying soldiers, saying it would "contribute positively" if the US-led coalition against the Islamic State (IS) jihadist group in Syria decides on ground action.
The fate of Saudi-backed Syrian armed opposition groups fighting to topple President Bashar al-Assad is also a major concern for Riyadh.
"I think Saudi Arabia is desperate to do something in Syria," said Andreas Krieg of the Department of Defence Studies at King's College London.
Krieg said the "moderate" opposition is in danger of being routed if Aleppo falls to the regime, whose forces have closed in on Syria's second city, backed by intense Russian air strikes.
"This is a problem for Saudi and Qatar as they have massively invested into Syria via the moderate opposition as their surrogate on the ground," said Krieg, who is also a consultant to Qatar's armed forces.
Russia, which along with Saudi Arabia's regional rival Iran is a major Assad ally, has meanwhile accused Turkey of "preparations for an armed invasion" of Syria.
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan called the claims "laughable".
On Saturday, Damascus issued a grim warning to both Riyadh and Ankara against any military intervention on the ground.
"Let no one think they can attack Syria or violate its sovereignty because I assure you any aggressor will return to their country in a wooden coffin, whether they be Saudis or Turks," Foreign Minister Walid Muallem said.
The commander of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guard mockingly said Saudi Arabia wouldn't dare send ground troops, and that any such intervention would be suicidal.
"I don't think they would dare do that... If they do, they will inflict a coup de grace on themselves," Major General Ali Jafari said.
Aleppo province is among the main strongholds of Syria's armed opposition, which is facing possibly its worst moment since the beginning of the nearly five-year war, at a time when peace efforts have stalled.
The Saudi-backed opposition umbrella group, the High Negotiations Committee, says it will not return to peace talks which recently collapsed in Geneva unless its humanitarian demands are met.
"The Saudis believe that the chance of a peaceful solution for the Syrian crisis is very limited," said Mustafa Alani of the independent Gulf Research Centre.
"They don't see that there is a real pressure on the regime to give major concessions... They think eventually it will have to end in the battlefield.
"Turkey is enthusiastic about this option (of ground troops) since the Russians started their air operation and tried to push Turkey outside the equation," Alani added.
He said the Saudis are serious about committing troops "as part of a coalition, especially if the Turkish forces are going to be involved".
But he and other analysts said Saudi involvement would be limited, given its leadership of a separate Arab coalition fighting in Yemen for almost a year and guarding the kingdom's southern border from attacks by Iran-backed Yemeni rebels.

- Saudis 'overstretched' -

"They are overstretched. :(( But in principle I think they will not hesitate to send a certain number of their fighters to fight in Syria," Alani said, adding that this would probably include Saudi special forces.
Turkey and Saudi already belong to a US-led coalition which officially has 65 members. It has been bombing IS in Syria and Iraq, as well as training local forces to fight the extremists.
Krieg said that with Saudi and other Gulf kingdoms "bogged down" in Yemen, he could only foresee a possible expansion of "train and equip" missions involving Gulf special forces to help rebels in Syria.
"Saudi and Qatar have already networks on the ground," he said, viewing Doha as a link between Riyadh and Ankara as relations improve.
On Friday, US Central Command spokesman Pat Ryder welcomed Saudi Arabia's willingness to send soldiers against IS.
The United States has been calling on coalition members to do more.
In November, the United Arab Emirates said it was also ready to commit ground troops against jihadists in Syria.
Jane Kinninmont, senior research fellow at London's Chatham House, said Riyadh is more interested in the Yemen war than battling IS.
"But what you might see is small numbers of ground troops and perhaps also special forces which would be there partly to make a symbolic point that Saudi Arabia is supporting the fight against ISIS," she said, using another acronym for IS.

She declared herself "a bit sceptical" about potential Turkish army involvement in Syria, "but we might see them having some kind of interest in containing Kurdish influence".
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On Friday, US Central Command spokesman Pat Ryder welcomed Saudi Arabia's willingness to send soldiers against IS.
One of the qualifications for leading the US Army must be "must have IQ of a grapefruit" if the "leadership thinking" in US mil command is "KSA is interested in taking out IS in Syria", when both US and KSA actions on the ground have resulted in the exact opposite outcome before Russia joined. Never fails to stupify.
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Austin wrote:I think if Saudi or Bahrain enters with ground forces Iran and Iraq will jump in too , difficult to see how they can resist such temptation
Or they can just start a shia color revolution in saudi/bahrain.

Fun times.
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Shreeman wrote:saudi need to jump in. a lot of the problems in the world will be solved if saudi decide to invade. kuwait, uae etc will be history along with saudi. bahrain will have interesting issues. turki cant rake on pkk. all the sunni gelf has been eunuched by houthis. these paper tigers going away takes down more than one four father and triggers a flow back in bakistan too. there is much to rejoice if salman will just keep his panties on and decide to jump in the fight. a reorganisation there minus the 14th century stuff would do wonders for progress.

they have to. send in moral and diplomatic support egging them on. send saudi ships to black sea to fight russia directly, base the air force at incirlik. i mean, joy, this match could finally live up to its billing if the saudis join in. mind you, ballistics will join the game day 1 if this happens. we will see whether the chinese material is any better than green painted ding dongs. what is salman waiting for? he has his coalition ready already, bring in the bakis officially too.

i cant even write straight up just at the prospect of bakis beaching themselves in tartus.
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which gun is on vehicle?
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^^^ zsu 23 2 i think ramana saar. Its a AA point defence type being utilised for ground warfare would pack a mean recoil on that pick up! IA utilises them in siachen IIRC
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That Birdcage Vodka Chiller again! What IS that?
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UlanBatori wrote:That Birdcage Vodka Chiller again! What IS that?

Apparently its some sort of IR dazzler/jammer used to confuse missile guidance will be interesting to see how it behaves against tv guided stuff like TOWs etc
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Oh! I read about that. Apparently TOWs work on some sort of light point for its own instantaneous position, and this thing gives it a new light that tells the TOW that it is way too high, so dive! dive! :mrgreen:
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yes I explained my theory a few posts above. it is designed to confuse the sensor in TOW launcher which tracks the light source behind the flying missile.
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all militants in north aleppo try to unite for Nth time
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Caj9MprWAAAl16X.jpg

badly wounded commander abu homs has asked them to
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CajADEqUMAA_pWS.jpg

the guy has got his face burned and is barely alive, but still has a lot of fight in him for sure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3MJjHu ... e=youtu.be
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Over the last 72 hours, the YPG has taken advantage of the crumbling Islamist defenses in northern Aleppo, seizing a number of villages like Ziyarah near the towns of Al-Zahra’a and Nubl. On Saturday afternoon, the YPG advanced towards the integral Mennagh Military Airport in the rebel heartland, capturing the village of Al-‘Alqamiyah after a violent battle with the Islamist rebels of Harakat Ahrar Al-Sham and Jabhat Al-Shamiyah (Levantine Front). With Al-‘Alqamiyah under their control, the YPG forces are in position to strike the Mennagh Military Airport; thus, threatening the remaining Islamist defenses in northern Aleppo. To combat the YPG and SAA in northern Aleppo, the Islamist rebels have formed a coalition called “Jaysh Halab”, which consists of Harakat Ahrar Al-Sham, the Free Syrian Army (FSA), Jabhat Al-Shamiyah, Jaysh Al-Islam, and Jaysh Al-Mujahiddeen.

http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/kur ... rn-aleppo/ | Al-Masdar News
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Iran seem to be trolling Saudis

Iranian commander mocks Saudi offer to intervene in Syria


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putting monkey trap in place...reference can also be made to inability to defend their own southern provinces against the houthis who have occupied some border towns and outposts.
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Singha wrote:this IR dazzler is to confuse the tow launcher by presenting multiple light sources in same fov as the missile. they have use a captured tow missile to study the light source carefully and mimic its behaviour on a strong scale. this would mislead the optical sensor about actual position of the missile hence the command it gives to guide it to + would guide the missile somewhere else...probably into the ground as it "thinks" the missile is higher than it really is. :mrgreen:

An optical sensor on the sight continuously monitors the position of a light source on the missile relative to the line-of-sight, and then corrects the trajectory of the missile by generating electrical signals that are passed down two wires to command the control surface actuators.[4] After launch, the operator simply has to keep the cross-hairs of his sight pointing at the target, and the guidance system will automatically transmit corrective commands to the missile through the wire.
The IR dazzler is a great system, as it works against both wire-guided and laser-guided AT missiles by spoofing the laser sensor. The US\NATO militaries have always blown off this approach in favor of building more heavily-armoured tanks that can simply shrug off the hits from most AT weapons they might encounter. Hard to say which approach is better.

Looks like it's all coming to a head now. I think that Turkish invasion of Syria that I've been predicting since last October is about to happen, but Turks will try to setup "buffer zones", ostensibly to shelter refugees but actually to serve as safe havens for ISIS\Nusra\rebels\etc

http://news.yahoo.com/turkish-side-bord ... iness.html
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^^ turkey is not walking in. they will try to turn on the screws on the kurds in turkey and iraq and derive pleasure out of that.

turkey is a paper tiger now. all those years of putting generals in jail and appointing loyalists are paying off handsomely. you would not have had erdpgan running to nato right after shooting the su24 otherwise. that is bakistan level low.

i conjecture turki is busy building hills to downhill skii. they arent going in anywhere except iraq. saudis will lose their whole southern behind via yemen and their tochkas if they so much as think of going in. what makes you think houthis are an exception? the kurds could also happen upon tochkas abandoned by is who stole them from syria first.

its an election year. you would not believe how little folks care about this stuff right now. nato is not starting a war. thus turki isnt starting one.
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"Dazzler"? Say whut? Oh yeah, I used to know her at the titty bar.......... :rotfl:

well dazzle me this......

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/tow.htm
Despite early reports of the problems being experienced by U.S. Army and Marine Corps units in hitting targets during live-fire exercises because soldiers lacked experience firing the weapon as well as Iraqi use of 'dazzlers' intended to interfere with the guidance of Army TOW missiles and other antitank missiles," the TOW during Operation Desert Storm was a primary killer of Iraqi tanks, armored personnel carriers,and other vehicles. Before the start of the coalition air campaign in January 1991, Army and Marine Corps planners noted a trend of improvement as more and more units [had] the opportunity to practice firing the TOW. The Iraqi use of dazzlers also proved to be of little concern to coalition commanders. The purpose of the dazzler is to confuse the missile guidance system so it loses track of the missile. It's a well known technology that does not work against the TOWs used in Southwest Asia. There were no reports since the war that any of these were effective in any way against TOWs.
Before the start of the actual ground offensive, US Marine units successfully employed the TOW against various Iraqi targets. On 18 January 1991, newspapers reported that US Marine Corps AH-1T Cobra helicopter gunships destroyed an Iraqi command post following Iraq's sporadic shelling of the Khafji area near the Saudi-Kuwaiti border. Four Cobra gunships destroyed a building used as an Iraqi command post with TOW missiles. Accounts told by Gulf War veterans who witnessed the TOW in action during the fighting revealed several instances where TOWs did things that surprised the engineers who designed them more than the soldiers who fired them. TOW missiles proved to be a determining factor in the first ground engagement of Operation Desert Storm. During the Battle of Khafji, which took place before the start of the actual ground offensive, the TOW demonstrated a pretty unique ability: the Saudis fought Iraqi tanks with TOW missiles and drove them out of the city. At one point in the battle, the Saudis saw Iraqi soldiers on top of a water tower. Not wishing to blow up the tower, the Saudis fired a TOW, blew the ladder off the tower and left the Iraqis stranded until the end of the battle." The lethality of the TOW missile was proven beyond doubt during the 100-hour ground campaign when one of the antitank munitions fired by US troops went right through the tank it was aimed at and penetrated another tank parked next to it. Another TOW went through a six foot dirt berm and knocked out an Iraqi armored personnel carrier on the otherside. In both instances, the TOW performed a feat which it supposedly was incapable of accomplishing.
yeah, we just doing dem ol' love taps like.......

when we hit a radio station last week or so........and killed 29 people......prolly all wimens and childrens attending a quincenera.... :(

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Singha wrote:this is sally fadel a war reporter with tiger force interview

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaemcYcXEAASBUj.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaemcWzWAAIl1cs.jpg
I was wondering when someone would post a pick of that chick. BTW, GD that's a common "look" in the Levant and surrounding region. Thousands of these to be found. Just turn on any Lebanese, Syrian, Cypriot, Jordanian, Egyptian television channel...
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when we hit a radio station last week
When aiming for the middle rung of a TOWing tank ladder, I presume?? :mrgreen:

The main feature of the "new policy" that I see is that US forces are now authorized to strike at 'ISIS' targets such as radio stations, orphanages, kindergartes and hospitals, where there are no TOW units or other armed fighters. But when it comes to taking on armed attackers, such as Turkish/ISIS Air Force massacring people inside US-occupied Iraq, or Turkish/Saudi ISIS raping Iraqi Yazidi women inside Iraq, US forces are sadly impotent, courtesy of the Caliph-in-Chief and the Sheikhs for Defence, State etc.
No shyness about reporting Body Count when hitting places full of unarmed civilians, hey? Only when knocking the socks off terrorists.
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JEM I saw that look in a turkish restaurant in san diego. one of the owners daughters or relatives was stationed to greet customers up front and another was working with the waiters. very nice. needless to say I dumped the choice of two indian places on same street and waxed eloquent to wife of the glories of turkish kababs. the food was good.
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More bandars running to banana jar

UAE Ready to Send Troops to be Ground in Syria.

Paki H&D&So_V must be taking a beating!
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Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc) - II

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Shreeman wrote:^^ turkey is not walking in. they will try to turn on the screws on the kurds in turkey and iraq and derive pleasure out of that.

turkey is a paper tiger now. all those years of putting generals in jail and appointing loyalists are paying off handsomely. you would not have had erdpgan running to nato right after shooting the su24 otherwise. that is bakistan level low.

i conjecture turki is busy building hills to downhill skii. they arent going in anywhere except iraq. saudis will lose their whole southern behind via yemen and their tochkas if they so much as think of going in. what makes you think houthis are an exception? the kurds could also happen upon tochkas abandoned by is who stole them from syria first.

its an election year. you would not believe how little folks care about this stuff right now. nato is not starting a war. thus turki isnt starting one.
Nope, looks like the Turks are really going to do this. Ergodan is definitely laying the groundwork for at least a limited invasion of Syria, probably with Saudi\UAE help (likely just air cover).
Turkey "delivers aid" across border to Alepppo
http://news.yahoo.com/turkey-delivers-a ... 59233.html
"Turkey is under threat," Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan was quoted by the Hurriyet newspaper as telling reporters on his plane back from a visit to Latin America.

Turkey's armed forces had the full authority to counter any threats to its national security, he said...

The United Arab Emirates (UAE) said it was ready to send ground troops into Syria as part of an international coalition fighting Islamic State, provided Washington took the lead, echoing an offer made last week by its fellow Sunni Arab Gulf power Saudi Arabia.
The Turks feel they have US\NATO backing which would at the very least, they believe, dissuade Russia from going all-out against them in the event a shooting war starts with Russian forces. Erdogan's yes-man generals may well have convinced him Turkey can handle Russia in a conventional war anyway, even without US fighting alongside them. They may be right; without resorting to nukes I'm not sure Russia can "win" a shooting war with Turkey. They share no border with Turkey thus nullifying Russia's one key advantage: larger conventional ground forces. Russia's airbase and small forces in Turkey look very vulnerable.

Turkey expects the Russians, mindful of their vulnerability, will not engage Turkish forces that move into Syria, allowing a standoff situation to ensue, with Turkey (and Saudi) in possession of a large chunk of Syrian territory from which Kurds have been purged and jihadists can wage irregular warfare. This would be a jihadi\Sunni protectorate in Syrian territory, which also gives them leverage at the negotiating table. Of course, they'll claim to be fighting IS the whole time.
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Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc) - II

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Nice to see the pro-IS scum in Al Jazeera repeat the same lies of the US/NATO and point fingers at Russia, probably as a preemptive verbal defense of this US/NATO/Arab coalition to escalate the war in syria to shore up IS once again.

These recent actions makes it very obvious that US, NATO, and KSA and Qatar and the "arab coalition" are the backers of the ISlamist state -- one doesn't need to buy any views of the RT or russian media to figure this out.
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Re: The Levant crisis.(Israel,SYRIA,Lebanon,etc) - II

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yk,

indeed. see https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/mi ... story.html

but this is not new. turkish "aid" is different than the buffer zone. turkey wants a chunk of aleppo, that isnt happening. stuff going to all and sundry? thats how this was sustained until now. but the aleppo/turkish border uncontrolled region is now few km deep, possible to overrun in a day with air support. turkey stepping in == NATO unable to support. erdogan can huff or puff but losing that nato support is the same as nukenude bakis.

turkey overlooks its own vulnerability -- inability to take large ground losses in public. i still say turkey isnt publicly wandering in. they will take potshots from across the line. and they have been jailing anyone who pointed out what the trucks were carrying for years.

in the long term, this hurts turkey worse than syria.
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