India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 11 Feb 2016 10:03

US rewards Pak for Pathankot attack with ...more aid!
Media reports today say that Pak will (officially) be given just under $1B in aid to er.... "fight terrorism",blah,blah!

Yanqui hypocrisy in simply beyond the pale. Why on earth do we asininely reward it with mil orders defeats me. It is simply making money out of the misery of both peoples.Let's hope that come Nov. a new broom will sweep Washington and the Paki -overs clean!

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 11 Feb 2016 18:00

come Nov. a new broom will sweep Washington and the Paki -overs clean!

New broom, but who will be pushing/riding on it, and will it make things cleaner or just make the old DC LOOK clean by comparison with the new?

member_29325 · Post by **member_29325** » 11 Feb 2016 18:12

habal wrote:which means the democrats ain't really democratic.

Actually, it appears both parties tried really hard to push "mainstream establishment" candidates and failed. So glad to see hillary's butt being handed back to her on a platter by Bernie Sanders. Ted Cruz is an odious individual, but it may not matter as Bernie Sanders will probably win the election if he wins dem primary.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 11 Feb 2016 18:52

hmmm.....A non Christian president with an illegitimate child (now adult, and works on his campaign) who keeps a photo of Eugene V. Debs on his desk.........and promises of free college and medicare coverage for everybody which he cannot possibly deliver, no way, no how, with a Repug controlled senate and congress.....

it will be a slow, do nothing, next four years in government..

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 11 Feb 2016 19:42

Some serious stuff:

Kanwal Sibal :: What to Expect from US-India Relations in 2016

India-U.S. ties have been transformed in recent years, best exemplified with the newly declared global strategic partnership between the two countries. Yet, what is the reality of the partnership in terms of achievements on the ground? And, what could be the future expectations?

For starters, the United States’ Pakistan policy remains a problematic issue. The objective of the two countries to advance regional security together is impeded by the continuation of U.S. military aid to Pakistan. This is done through presidential waivers to overcome the provisions of the Kerry-Lugar legislation, which requires Pakistan to act verifiably against terrorist groups on its soil before U.S. aid can be released.

Furthermore, the United States does not consider the Taliban as a terrorist organization. The U.S. is, in reality, engaged in an effort to accommodate the Taliban politically in Afghanistan in a Pakistan-brokered deal, which is a risk to India’s security. It is thus difficult to see how, in these circumstances, the counter-terrorism partnership between India and the U.S. can be a defining one for the 21st century.

U.S. President Barack Obama’s affirmation in 2010 that “the United States looks forward to a reformed UN Security Council that includes India as a permanent member” was viewed as a major evolution in the U.S. position. Yet up to now, the United States has not clearly defined its position on the expansion of the United Nations Security Council, due to the fact that U.S. openness to India’s hope for permanent membership on the council remains at a declaratory stage.

Similarly, while past joint U.S.-India statements have repeatedly spoken about India’s membership in the four export control regimes, and, India has been declared ready for Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) as well as Nuclear Supplier Group (NSG) membership, so far no tangible progress has occurred. Breakthrough understandings at the governmental level on national tracking and liability issues have removed political roadblocks in the way of civilian nuclear cooperation.

However it is now time for U.S. companies to take the call, as the larger question of the commercial viability of U.S. supplied nuclear reactors remains. With India ratifying the Convention on Supplementary Compensation, an international nuclear liability regime governed by the International Atomic Energy Agency, it appears that the decks have been cleared for progress within a year on the project to supply six Westinghouse nuclear reactors to India. Nevertheless General Electric, another supplier, continues to hold out. Without a strong U.S. leadership role, progress is unlikely to come soon.

In the past, the United States had virtually no defense ties with India. Today, apart from a renewed Defense Framework Agreement, the U.S. has become a large supplier of defense equipment to India, and even the biggest in the last few years, with contracts worth almost $13 billion. In addition, the largest number Indian joint military exercises are with the United States.

Robust language has appeared in joint India-U.S. statements in 2013, 2014, and 2015 on defense cooperation. However, so far, less than expected progress has been made in the area of defense manufacturing under the so-called Defense Technology and Trade Initiative (DTTI). During Obama’s visit to India, four “pathfinder” projects under the DTTI rubric involving relatively minor technologies were announced. Contacts between the two sides under this U.S. initiative continue. Two other projects of note, one on aircraft carrier technology and the other on jet engine technology, are also under discussion.

U.S.-China tensions are growing, and, India too has longstanding disputes with China. The 2015 U.S.-India Joint Strategic Vision for the Asia-Pacific and Indian Ocean Region specifically addresses maritime territorial disputes involving China and, among other things, affirmed the importance of safeguarding maritime security and ensuring freedom of navigation and freedom of the air throughout the region, especially in the South China Sea.

U.S. trade and financial relations with China are vast; India too seeks stable and economically productive ties with China. India has the difficult task ahead of managing the China threat by both engaging closely with the United States and reaching out to China. At the same time, the credibility of the U.S. rebalance to Asia and the Pacific is yet to be tested.

As part of closer India-U.S. understandings on the Indo-Pacific region, India and the United States have decided to include Japan in the bilateral India-U.S. Malabar naval exercises. The trilateral India-U.S.-Japan political dialogue has also been raised from the official to Ministerial level.

However, India’s problems with China are principally related to ongoing border disputes arising from a boundary disagreement and Beijing’s deepening relationship with Islamabad. In both cases, India cannot count on the United State to take a position supportive of India. This points to the limits of the strategic partnership, as such a partnership falls short of supporting India’s territorial sovereignty.

When it comes to deepening bilateral economic relations between the two countries, progress has been mixed. For one thing, U.S. businesses remain reluctant to invest in India because of their beliefs that the Indian government has not yet delivered on promises to ease doing business in India including taxation issues, and implement general economic reforms in the country.

Nevertheless, the IT sector has brought the knowledge economies of India and the United States closer together and it constitutes the strongest link Washington has with the drivers of India’s modernization and innovation. However, the United States is unfortunately targeting this sector with higher visa costs and increased restrictions.

What is the way forward when it comes to bilateral economic relations?

Among other things, the India-U.S. collaborative economic agenda should include co-production and co-development of defense products under the Make in India program, coal gasification technologies, and the issuance of a non-FTA country waiver in order for India to gain access to U.S. fossil fuel reserves.

The bilateral economic agenda should also extend to partnerships in the area of agricultural technology, the civil aviation sector, life sciences, infrastructure financing, and green financing, among others. Bilateral dialogues should also address visa issues in the IT/ITES (i.e. outsourcing services) sectors, focus on exporting synergies in the biotech and pharmaceutical sectors, and find means to support university and other skill development exchanges.

The India-U.S. relationship is being increasingly consolidated. However, like in any such relationship — especially between the world’s foremost political, military, economic and technological power and a large developing country advanced in certain sectors of the knowledge economy, but beset with serious problems of poverty as well as at unequal stages of development internally — differences are normal.

Much work lies ahead to make the India-U.S. relationship a “defining one” in the 21st century, but we are headed in the right direction.

Dr. Kanwal Sibal joined the Indian Foreign Service in July 1966, eventually serving as the Foreign Secretary of India from July 2002 to November 2003. Dr. Sibal served as Ambassador of India to Egypt, France, and Turkey. This article has previously been published on the EastWest Institute Policy Innovation Blog.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 11 Feb 2016 19:47

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NRao · Post by **NRao** » 11 Feb 2016 19:54

Indian engineers, scientists in U.S. nearing one million

member_29325 · Post by **member_29325** » 11 Feb 2016 19:59

TSJones wrote:hmmm.....A non Christian president with an illegitimate child (now adult, and works on his campaign) who keeps a photo of Eugene V. Debs on his desk.........and promises of free college and medicare coverage for everybody which he cannot possibly deliver, no way, no how, with a Repug controlled senate and congress..... it will be a slow, do nothing, next four years in government..

The democrats assisted in the thievery of the public's monies after the 2008 crash, and propped up the banks at the expense of middle class people losing their entire savings due to overt fraud where the entire financial industry colluded. The thieves can pretend that those who lost their savings knew the risks etc. (which do not include thievery and insider trading and pyramid schemes involving bad loans), but there is political cost to pay for this kind of behavior. BSanders is just saying what the public at large wants to hear. Personally, anyone other than the despicable Hillary is okay.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 11 Feb 2016 22:28

Interesting article about Piyush baba of Louisiana and how he has tried his best to erase the brown in himself.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 12 Feb 2016 04:10

Feb 11, 2016 :: South China Sea: China Warns U.S., India against ‘third party’ involvement

Reuters

China on Thursday responded to a Reuters report that the U.S. and India are discussing joint naval patrols in the disputed South China Sea, warning that interference from countries outside the region threatens peace and stability.

“No cooperation between any countries should be directed at a third party,” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said in an emailed statement to Reuters, in response to a request for comment on the report published on Wednesday.

“Countries from outside the area must stop pushing forward the militarization of the South China Sea, cease endangering the sovereignty and national security of littoral countries in the name of ‘freedom of navigation’ and harming the peace and stability of the region.”

The United States wants its regional allies and other Asian nations to adopt a more united stance against China over the South China Sea, where tension has spiked since China’s construction of seven islands in the Spratly archipelago.

China lays claim to most of the South China Sea, while Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam have rival claims.

A U.S. defense official told Reuters this week the United States and India had held talks about joint naval patrols that could include the South China Sea.

The Indian navy has never carried out joint patrols with another country and a navy spokesman told Reuters there was no change in the government’s policy of only joining an international military effort under the U.N. flag.

Neither the United States nor India have claims to the area, but the United States says it is concerned about shipping lanes running through the South China Sea, which carry an estimated $5 trillion of trade every year.

Hong urged caution.

“We hope that the relevant parties speak and act with caution, refrain from intervening in the South China Sea issue, and especially avoid being manipulated by certain countries and ultimately harming their own interests.”

China illustrates its claim to almost the entire South China Sea with a “nine-dashed line” on maps, that loops far to the south, with sections far closer to the coasts of countries like the Philippines and Vietnam than to its shores.

China’s more assertive claim has included dredging to build up islands and the construction of air fields and shipping facilities on some reefs. It recently launched flights to one artificial island.

The United States has responded by sending navy ships close to the islands China claims. China has condemned that as provocative.

India has a long-running land border dispute with China, and has stepped up its naval presence far beyond the Indian Ocean in recent years, deploying a ship to the South China Sea almost constantly, an Indian navy commander said.

(Reporting by Megha Rajagopalan and Pete Sweeney)

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 12 Feb 2016 07:36

Andreessen's tweet likened net neutrality to "anti-colonialism", and blamed anti-colonialism for India's "economic catastrophe".
I want to know the comments of brfites about this quote from this educated illiterate moron. Mr cofounder of netscape and on the board of facebook. This moron should be booted out of facebook board immediately.We should demand it.

Here is my own opinion . These western Europeans and anglo Saxons in particular will not understand till another Asian power like India or China really kicks them so hard that they will not forget for the next thousand years.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 12 Feb 2016 17:03

Guys, question on the latest scientific buzz on the detection of gravitational waves as predicted by Einstien. Several DDM outlets are ballistic about some Indian guys connection to this discovery. Even PM ModiJi aparently lauded Indians' role. But I have not seen a single US-based report, starting with NYT mention any Indian connection and I could find any name in the reports I read that have any Indian name resemblance (this is not surprising because even if there was some Indian connection, NYT and US media could omit it). Forget useless DDM, but what is the Indian connection that ModiJi lauded?

Reason I ask is because a few months back, Subramanyam Swami made the claim in a talk that NASA scientists detected sounds from Solar flares that resemble "Om". I did some research myself, and found that claim to be a tad exaggerated. Of course, I won't be surprised if "Om" represents some primordial background sound that our rishis and saints in their deepest meditative and super conscious state discovered, but I wasn't convinced that NASA actually corroborated that.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 12 Feb 2016 17:35

Guys, question on the latest scientific buzz on the detection of gravitational waves as predicted by Einstien. Several DDM outlets are ballistic about some Indian guys connection to this discovery. Even PM ModiJi aparently lauded Indians' role. But I have not seen a single US-based report, starting with NYT mention any Indian connection and I could find any name in the reports I read that have any Indian name resemblance (this is not surprising because even if there was some Indian connection, NYT and US media could omit it). Forget useless DDM, but what is the Indian connection that ModiJi lauded?

Perhaps you missed the live presser.

Only the UK, Germany and Australia got some of the spotlight.

Russian and Italian reporters had to very pointedly ask, very specific questions, regarding contributions from their nations. Even then they go very, very little spot light.

I think you need to be directly associated to either CalTech or MIT to get even a mention.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 12 Feb 2016 18:27

Stars do hum(vibrate) but not all stars hum at the same tone.

the space telescope Kepler was used to make this determination when it was noticed that stars vibrated according to size, mass and age.

It was subsequently discovered that the waves that made the stars vibrate traveled deep into the star down to the core, and then bounced back and forth inside the star all the around it. Very similar to the way seismic activity works on earth. Scientists can use these waves to determine the structure of the star and how much of the star's hydrogen has been converted to helium for instance.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 12 Feb 2016 20:54

CRamS wrote:Guys, question on the latest scientific buzz on the detection of gravitational waves as predicted by Einstien. Several DDM outlets are ballistic about some Indian guys connection to this discovery. Even PM ModiJi aparently lauded Indians' role. But I have not seen a single US-based report, starting with NYT mention any Indian connection and I could find any name in the reports I read that have any Indian name resemblance (this is not surprising because even if there was some Indian connection, NYT and US media could omit it). Forget useless DDM, but what is the Indian connection that ModiJi lauded?

Even MUCH MUCH worse is this pathetic (but too often in brf) whining and blaming NYT, US, and DDM for one's own ignorance and ad absurdum complaining..

Don't blame others, if YOU do not even know that Indlgo (LIGO-India) is a collaborative project between a consortium of Indian research institutions and the LIGO Laboratory in USA, (along with its international partners). Three lead institutions in the IndIGO consortium: IPR (Institute of Plasma Research) Gandhinagar, IUCAA (Inter University Centre for Astronomy and Astrophysics) Pune, and RRCAT (Raja Ramanna Centre for Advanced Technology) Indore. (LIGO lab provides design and all the key detector components)

For havens sake, the big announcement also came simultaneously from Pune. (I guess too busy complaining about NYT than to listen and understand even the most basic physics about it -- if nothing else you could have skimmed the brf's physics dhaga

).

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 12 Feb 2016 21:00

Don't blame others, if YOU do not even know that Indlgo (LIGO-India) is a collaborative project between a consortium of Indian research institutions and the LIGO Laboratory in USA, (along with its international partners). Three lead institutions in the IndIGO consortium: IPR (Institute of Plasma Research) Gandhinagar, IUCAA (Inter University Centre for Astronomy and Astrophysics) Pune, and RRCAT (Raja Ramanna Centre for Advanced Technology) Indore. (LIGO lab provides design and all the key detector components)

See: LIGO-India

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 12 Feb 2016 21:02

About the announcement from LIGO. The claim is a 5 sigma confidence, but I would want to confirm once data comes from LIGO-India as well. The last thing I want is a fiasco like the BICEP announcement back in 2014 with gravity waves in the CMB.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 12 Feb 2016 21:21

NRao wrote:
Perhaps you missed the live presser.

Only the UK, Germany and Australia got some of the spotlight.
....

I think you need to be directly associated to either CalTech or MIT to get even a mention.

Just some mention of India's connection..(From various newspapers headlines)
Gravitational waves discovery: India’s imprint in landmark LIGO project
INDIAN SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY JOINS IN GLOBAL CELEBRATIONS
Here's How Indian Scientists Helped The World Confirm Einstein's Gravitational Waves Discovery
(FWIW the first blip I got about the coming public announcement of the big new was from an Indian-American Scientist in MIT)

(BTW, I put a link to the PRL paper in physics dhaga so if some one wants to read the nationality of all the people who are mentioned .. please go ahead

... it does have more than 1000 authors

)

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 12 Feb 2016 23:04

It would be better if India spent its resources helping Pakistan in determining the length of the most pious beard.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 12 Feb 2016 23:23

What is the propagation speed of a gravity wave, pls?

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 12 Feb 2016 23:30

UB garu. I dont know if you are asking in jest or in seriousness. But gravity perturbations travel at the speed of light, since it carries information.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 12 Feb 2016 23:31

gravitons are proposed to be massless so I guess same speed as photons, i.e speed of light.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 13 Feb 2016 00:43

http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2016 ... d-gravity/

“I am so grateful for the major contributions, by Indian scientists working in India and abroad, that helped make this discovery and future discoveries possible,” said Kip Thorne, a Caltech theoretical physicist and co-founder of the LIGO project, in a statement.

Indian data analysts developed and implemented techniques to find gravitational-wave signals amid noise and the country’s theorists computed the shapes of the signals, he added.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 13 Feb 2016 02:45

sanjaykumar wrote:It would be better if India spent its resources helping Pakistan in determining the length of the most pious beard.

This factor comes under the domain of TNT and some one have already tweeted to Tarek Fatah.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 13 Feb 2016 04:25

Hehe, thanks.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 13 Feb 2016 04:43

U.S. okays sale of eight Lockheed F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan: Pentagon

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-p ... SKCN0VL2C6

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Feb 2016 04:52

no invention is a invention unless it can be weaponised into a planet destroyer

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 13 Feb 2016 07:22

Kashi wrote:U.S. okays sale of eight Lockheed F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan: Pentagon

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-p ... SKCN0VL2C6

Lawmakers have 30 days to block the sale, although such action is rare since deals are well-vetted before any formal notification.

India said it was disappointed with the U.S. decision. "We disagree with their rationale that such arms transfers help to combat terrorism," Vikas Swarup, a spokesman for India's Foreign Ministry, said on Twitter

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 13 Feb 2016 07:39

UB garu. I dont know if you are asking in jest or in seriousness. But gravity perturbations travel at the speed of light, since it carries information.

Asking out of ignorance. Then how are they able to measure the propagation through the inside of a star? Distance is large, but time is on the order of a second or 10, and can they measure that from so far away?

Also, if gravity is basically a wrinking of Space-Time due to mass concentration, then propagation is instantaneous, hain?

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 13 Feb 2016 07:57

There is a mass deficit of two solar masses with the collision of these two black holes that gives a brief highly energetic pulse of energy (more than that being radiated by the rest of the universe's stars) 'somehow' perturbing the fabric of space-time.

habal · Post by **habal** » 13 Feb 2016 08:39

until USA is left in one piece there can never be world peace.

arun · Post by **arun** » 13 Feb 2016 09:27

NRao wrote:
Kashi wrote:U.S. okays sale of eight Lockheed F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan: Pentagon

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-p ... SKCN0VL2C6

Lawmakers have 30 days to block the sale, although such action is rare since deals are well-vetted before any formal notification.

India said it was disappointed with the U.S. decision. "We disagree with their rationale that such arms transfers help to combat terrorism," Vikas Swarup, a spokesman for India's Foreign Ministry, said on Twitter

ANI reports that India will be summoning US Ambassador to India regards US aid to the terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan. This is good second step if and when done:

India reacts strongly to US decision to sell 8 F-16 jets to Pakistan, summons envoy

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 13 Feb 2016 09:44

http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/us-appro ... on-1276931

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 13 Feb 2016 11:30

UlanBatori wrote:
UB garu. I dont know if you are asking in jest or in seriousness. But gravity perturbations travel at the speed of light, since it carries information.
Asking out of ignorance. Then how are they able to measure the propagation through the inside of a star? Distance is large, but time is on the order of a second or 10, and can they measure that from so far away?

Also, if gravity is basically a wrinking of Space-Time due to mass concentration, then propagation is instantaneous, hain?

General relativity has resulted in the definition of "instantaneous" (aka non-local action) becoming allergic to physcists

. There is no single clock in the universe that "instantaneous" can be measured against. Every local point in the universe has its own clock.

The other part: any mass configuration with free masses in a gravitational field is never static (it is always moving due to orbits and gravity).

So if the mass configuration is dynamic and there is no "one clock", then the gravitational field resulting would also be dynamic and propagate at different times at different places. The speed of which was predicted (now confirmed i think) by Einstien as the same as speed of light.

Disclaimer: I am no physicist (not even a peechadddi) so all is IMVVVHO (and could be madrassah djin observations of bored self onleee)

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 13 Feb 2016 11:52

as explained to me by the cheap paperback book Einstein's Theory of relativity for Dummies (this book rocked my world

), if our sun somehow magically disappeared the earth would continue in its present solar gravity dependent orbit for another 8 minutes and 20 seconds before flinging free of its orbit.

Please note that it takes 8 minutes and 20 seconds for the sun's light to reach the earth. thus, the light goes out and solar gravity ceases at the same time. major bummer.....

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Feb 2016 11:59

Can we get back to topic?

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 13 Feb 2016 12:10

So no matter what Pak does to India terror wise,it can always rely upon Uncle Sam and "Uncle Tom" O'Bomber to come good with malware. More F-16s for Pak as a reward for Pathankot.If this govt. is reallys erious about defeating Pak,then it should punish the sponsors of the nation of terror,Uncle Sam being ancient provider and fornicator,and cancel Indo-US military deals in protest.

Just summoning "Rechardo Warma" isn't going to produce a change in US policy.
Only a kick in the US's backside will hurt. cancel the ongoing mil deals with the US to teach it a lesson.It has to choose between India and Pak,it cannot have both ,a debauched ,promiscuous relationship with the world's most poxed terror state and the world's largest and most ancient democracy.

India disappointed over US decision to sell F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan, will summon envoy Richard Verma
By Dipanjan Roy Chaudhury, ET Bureau | 13 Feb, 2016,
NEW DELHI: India, disappointed with Obama regime's notification to sell F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan, has decided to summon US envoy Richard Verma to lodge protest over the issue.

"We are disappointed at the decision of the Obama Administration to notify the sale of F-16 aircrafts to Pakistan. We disagree with their rationale that such arms transfers help to combat terrorism. The record of the last many years in this regard speaks for itself. The US Ambassador will be summoned by the by the Ministry of External Affairs to convey our displeasure," the MEA emphasized in a strongly worded statement on Saturday. The deal is valued at $ 699 million.

On several occasions in the past under the UPA government and during earlier governments Delhi had expressed its displeasure over F-16 sale to Pakistan which it thinks could be used against India.
This decision by the Obama administration comes in the backdrop of serious differences between US Congress and government on the sale of F-16 jets to Islamabad.

As late as last Tuesday Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Bob Corker wrote to Secretary of State John Kerry he would block the Obama administration's subsidized sale of up to eight F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan. In a letter on Feb 9, Corker spoke about Islamabad's relationship with the Haqqani network.

Last month other US Congressmen had also opposed sale of F-16 jets to Islamabad. "I don't know how an F-16, with all of its hardware on there for combat can be used for humanitarian aid. If they were buying C-130s ... I could see those being used for humanitarian aid. But F-16! It's not really humanitarian aid," Congressman Ted Poe had said. "Those F-16s and the military equipment that we are providing Pakistan are being used against their own people, just like they did against the people over there in Bangladesh," said another Congressman Dan Rohrabacher.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 13 Feb 2016 18:29

This is US bullying after India (Parikkar) said

to the great offer of 1970s-era F-18s. Bissing contest. Bad nooj is that India said: "u want to discuss fighters, how about shiny new (fill in the blanks or ask Comrade Brarji)". So F-16s to Pakistan, F-22s to India to counter F-16s. F-18s to Pakistan, F-35s to India to counter F-18s. Win-win for Military Industrial Complex. "Miller-Time" in Ulan Bator!

Are Indians smart and self-willed enough to break out of this? Is Indira Gandhi PM any more?

(Hint: LCA-Mark 9 with real desi-developed engines? Real engines? Indian-updated Su-30MKI? 10,000 UCAVs capable of reading the Durand line in a few minutes? Indian Stealth aka Maya? Crooj mijjiles aka Astra?) No danger of Indian guvrmand having the resolve to be serious about such things, so zzzzzzzz wake me up when the next Paki attack comes. Or the foreign exchange reserves are down to 1 month's worth, from spending on shiny phoren toys and oil.

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 13 Feb 2016 18:38

Philip wrote:So no matter what Pak does to India terror wise,it can always rely upon Uncle Sam and "Uncle Tom" O'Bomber to come good with malware. More F-16s for Pak as a reward for Pathankot. If this govt. is reallys erious about defeating Pak,then it should punish the sponsors of the nation of terror,Uncle Sam being ancient provider and fornicator,and cancel Indo-US military deals in protest.

Ease up on the wailing and chest beating and read the Reuters article, posted twice on the last page.

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker notified the Obama administration that he would not approve using U.S. funds to pay for the planes through the foreign military financing (FMF) program. That means Pakistan must fund the purchase itself, instead of relying on U.S. funds to cover about 46 percent of the cost.

Given the funds it has available, Pakistan may be able to buy only four of the F-16 Block 52 models, and the associated radar and electronic warfare equipment, said one U.S. source familiar with the situation.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 13 Feb 2016 18:47

Has this been done before?

India Summons U.S. Ambassador Over Fighter Sale To Pakistan