India-US Relations : News and Discussion- II

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 22 Feb 2016 21:46

Poor Jeb Bush.
He is the Rahul Gandhi of America.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 22 Feb 2016 22:12

Universities are 'laboratories of thoughts'

Hey ain't that Kent State's motto.

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 23 Feb 2016 07:22

TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT 2016

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 23 Feb 2016 08:09

Austin wrote:Universities are 'laboratories of thoughts': US envoy on JNU row

http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 089_1.html

Someone remind that idiot about the Kent State shootings.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 23 Feb 2016 19:49

Raja Bose wrote:
Austin wrote:Universities are 'laboratories of thoughts': US envoy on JNU row

http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 089_1.html
Someone remind that idiot about the Kent State shootings.

Shootings are right of expression of 2nd Amendment. In Texas you can carry guns to classrooms.

"Thou shalt not ask what we do. Thou shalt listen what we say."

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 23 Feb 2016 20:41

the Kent state shootings were a result of:

a. student rioting, especially in the local town, breaking store front front windows and setting off a bank alarm over the issue of the US invasion of Cambodia.

b. the burning down of the ROTC building on campus.

c. the governor of Ohio called out the National guard to quell the rioting, to which they panicked when confronted by the students and opened fired killing:

a, two of the student protestors

b. two students who had nothing to do with the protest

and wounding nine others.

it had nothing to do with the 2nd ammendment.....and everything to do with student riots and national guardsmen who thought they were blocked in by a chain link fence (but actually weren't, there was another way out) and opened fired on no one's order.......

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 23 Feb 2016 20:41

ShyamSP wrote:
Austin wrote:Universities are 'laboratories of thoughts': US envoy on JNU row

http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 089_1.html
Someone remind that idiot about the Kent State shootings.

Shootings are right of expression of 2nd Amendment. In Texas you can carry guns to classrooms.

"Thou shalt not ask what we do. Thou shalt listen what we say."

No foreign country can interfere in Indian university and Indian constitution rights.
This includes protecting Indian state and integrity.

Ask the envoy to step aside from entering into the debate. Nobody asked for his advice.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 24 Feb 2016 00:40

^^ What was the forum in which he made these comments? Was it in response to a question (our journalists are dumb enough to ask), or was a suo moto statement? Either way, it is very inappropriate for the representative of another country to comment about these things, it would be better if he kept these thoughts himself, or to his cables back to foggy bottom.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 24 Feb 2016 03:50

US Democratic Party and Super Delegates:

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 4#p1984104

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 24 Feb 2016 04:17

snahata wrote:TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT 2016

He just added India to the list of countries that steals jobs from US

nirav · Post by **nirav** » 24 Feb 2016 04:29

Trump for President.

He will rile up all the free worlds Moslems and keep fighting them for the rest of his 4 year term.rest of the world will breathe easy while they are at it !

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 24 Feb 2016 04:52

Guys, didn't we discuss opposition to this university CA chair on dharma studies? It seems the university has buckled under pressure

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/us-va ... 160223.htm

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 24 Feb 2016 05:18

Bernie sandersfor prez. Might actually help create a kinder, gentler America - more internally focussed on issues like healthcare, joblessness, homelessness, gun violence etc.

Also, legalize weed. Will help cut down drug violence in the americas, free up lotsa space in overcrowded jails, open up research vistas into hemp + related products ... and make yamerika quite literally, a more relaxed, laidback, peaceful, happy place. My $0.02.

A larger vrsion of canada is what i hope bernie will move the US towards .... for the good of the world only.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 24 Feb 2016 06:20

Please move the US elections, etc to:

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 0#p1984117

And leave this thread for Indo-US topics.

Thanks.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Feb 2016 06:38

arshyam wrote:^^ What was the forum in which he made these comments? Was it in response to a question (our journalists are dumb enough to ask), or was a suo moto statement? Either way, it is very inappropriate for the representative of another country to comment about these things, it would be better if he kept these thoughts himself, or to his cables back to foggy bottom.

ShyamSP wrote:
Someone remind that idiot about the Kent State shootings.

svinayak wrote:No foreign country can interfere in Indian university and Indian constitution rights.
This includes protecting Indian state and integrity.

Ask the envoy to step aside from entering into the debate. Nobody asked for his advice.

The US is far more integrated into our daily life in India than what can be imagined. That is a project that has been going on for a decade now. Some Wikileaks cables exposed how Indian politicians, personalities et al were discussing so many things with the US consul staff. With the Modi government, the integration has accelerated, IMO. The embrace is deadlier with the Eagle than with the Bear.

svinayak, nobody has so far objected to the envoy's naked interference.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 24 Feb 2016 06:53

SSridhar: "Barrack" effect, I bet.

svinayak: Who is to "Ask the envoy to step aside from entering into the debate"? The asking has to be done by those who are empowered. Some of us PIOs (eg. you, yours truly, CRamS, etc.) can make fools of ourselves in academia and elsewhere but we are not empowered. The people who have to ask, nay even demand, are Indian Amby to the US, Chief Secretary of MEA, Minister of EA Sushma Swaraj, Minister Rajnath Singh, and PM himself. We are bit players in the drama.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 24 Feb 2016 07:16

Forget Kent state. Ask the Uncle Tom Richard if US students can sing peans in favor of OBL, call for the destruction of US etc. I mean it makes me sick to my stomach listening Indian libtards quoting how "free" US is on such matters. These punks either don't have brains or willing sepoys and useful idiots. One such is Bekar Patel, extolling the virtues of liberalism in US and Europe and the moron claims there is no such thing as nationalism in these countries. Which planet is clown living in?

http://www.rediff.com/news/column/our-n ... 160223.htm

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 24 Feb 2016 07:21

CRamS wrote:Forget Kent state. Ask the Uncle Tom Richard if US students can sing peans in favor of OBL, call for the destruction of US etc. I mean it makes me sick to my stomach listening Indian libtards quoting how "free" US is on such matters. These punks either don't have brains or willing sepoys and useful idiots. One such is Bekar Patel, extolling the virtues of liberalism in US and Europe and the moron claims there is no such thing as nationalism in these countries. Which planet is clown living in?

http://www.rediff.com/news/column/our-n ... 160223.htm

Shakespeare always had a comic in every script he wrote. The wise - who understood Shakespeare called it "comic relief". Aakar Patel is one such.

Nice catch.

He would make a very good VP for Trump.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 24 Feb 2016 07:27

^^I wonder how this ignorant fellow became the director of Amnesty India. I don't think he will last long in that position... We all know Amnesty's goals but they should at least find a more qualified traitor to speak for them.

Pay a little more or something people!!!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Feb 2016 07:50

JE Menon wrote:We all know Amnesty's goals but they should at least find a more qualified traitor to speak for them.

Pay a little more or something people!!!

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 24 Feb 2016 07:50

I wonder how this ignorant fellow became the director of Amnesty India

Hate to say this, especially in public, he is a parrot. The *only* qualification.

Think about this, I would think a "Patel"/Guju would understand "non-veg". (I mean what is there - really - to understand, veg/non-veg, ANY Hindu should understand a binary system - dual/non-dual. This or that. Akhankar or Moksha.)

No. He does not get it.

I think he needs to be promoted.

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And, what a first name Aaker.

Unbelievable.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 24 Feb 2016 08:06

>>I think he needs to be promoted.

Another one is occupying the top spot at Shamnesty. There is a Secretary General Salil Shetty and just below him a Minar Pimple (Global Operations chief, I kid you not).
Maybe Aaker should change his name to Major Pimple and move a step ahead of Minar.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 24 Feb 2016 09:04

Major LePimp would be a good name imho.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 24 Feb 2016 20:55

SSridhar wrote:
ShyamSP wrote:
Someone remind that idiot about the Kent State shootings.

svinayak wrote:No foreign country can interfere in Indian university and Indian constitution rights.
This includes protecting Indian state and integrity.

Ask the envoy to step aside from entering into the debate. Nobody asked for his advice.
The US is far more integrated into our daily life in India than what can be imagined. That is a project that has been going on for a decade now. Some Wikileaks cables exposed how Indian politicians, personalities et al were discussing so many things with the US consul staff. With the Modi government, the integration has accelerated, IMO. The embrace is deadlier with the Eagle than with the Bear.

svinayak, nobody has so far objected to the envoy's naked interference.

The foreign govt has no business to intervene. India has the least attention in US or the west.
In US Indian origin population is even below fillipino and Chinese pop.
India has the smallest trade with US compared to the top 10 economies in the world
Made in India goods are hardly seen in west
India has least political interaction with US India compared to major countries including China
India has the smallest footprint in military cooperation with US
State to state cooperation is the least compared to all major US allies.

It is Indian media which is trying to project larger than reality influence of US in India
It is India universities which is trying to copy and compare with western universities instead of Indian centric education and focus on Indian history.It is urban Indian english speaking elite which is trying to bring west inside India when it is not really necessary

These are some of the reasons which make one feel there is some pressure when there is none.
Even I have felt this 'influence' which is not based on reality.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 24 Feb 2016 21:02

vayu tuvan wrote:SSridhar: "Barrack" effect, I bet.

svinayak: Who is to "Ask the envoy to step aside from entering into the debate"? The asking has to be done by those who are empowered. Some of us PIOs (eg. you, yours truly, CRamS, etc.) can make fools of ourselves in academia and elsewhere but we are not empowered. The people who have to ask, nay even demand, are Indian Amby to the US, Chief Secretary of MEA, Minister of EA Sushma Swaraj, Minister Rajnath Singh, and PM himself. We are bit players in the drama.

No sovereign allows another country to enter into debate on internal matters.
Indian govt is not stupid.
Indian public can voice its opinion and make its voice heard against any intervention.
Public media and social media is good channel to express the Indian public opinion

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 24 Feb 2016 21:12

I understand that. But there may be some exigencies right now and GOI is constrained.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 24 Feb 2016 21:28

Why don't we pose a question to Sushma ji on twitter?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Feb 2016 08:08

svinayak wrote:It is Indian media which is trying to project larger than reality influence of US in India
It is India universities which is trying to copy and compare with western universities instead of Indian centric education and focus on Indian history. It is urban Indian english speaking elite which is trying to bring west inside India when it is not really necessary

These are some of the reasons which make one feel there is some pressure when there is none.
Even I have felt this 'influence' which is not based on reality.

You are partly right and equally wrong also.

None can deny that after the 90s crisis and the opening of the economy, the US influence in India has grown enormously. The IT Revolution and the outsourcing surge laid a strong foundation. Kargil and the American intervention made it appear that the 'US can now be trusted'. The perception of 'US reach' is not merely the creation by the media, but we saw in the Devyani case, the privileges given to US Embassy & Consular staff and their families all over the country without India reciprocally getting anything. Did not the MEA itself, including the Foreign Minister, say that thenceforth everything would be on a reciprocal basis? Haven't we seen attempts to involve the US entities in Indian affairs by Indians sitting in the US, for example, resistance to invitation to Modi, his visa issue, Subramanyam Swami's tenure, Dalit issue etc? So, do not blame 'urban Indian English speaking elite' sitting in India alone for this. As I have mentioned more than once before, the December Carnatic Music season in Chennai is incomplete without many Sabhas inviting the American Consul to inaugurate the events. There used to be times only when top musicians used to do so, then slowly politicians were roped in (to get benefits) and now it is the US consular staff. The Japanese consul is not invited !

After having resisted CISMOA & LSA for a decade, it is only a matter of time now. Let us not even get into whether they are good or bad which is a separate discussion. The US has become the largest defence supplier to India. The US has one of the largest and deepest military-to-military relationships with us. By c. 2010, India had already become the country with which the U.S. had the maximum number of joint defence exercises and this has only grown enormously since then. So, I don't understand it when you say, "India has the smallest footprint in military cooperation with US". Whether he means it or not Barack Obama and his administration often say that relationship with India is the 'defining moment of the 21st century'.

One has to look at developments bilaterally to see where the relationship is headed rather than looking in comparison to the rest of the world as you tried to do citing Philippines, China etc.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 25 Feb 2016 09:20

American influence occurs in seemingly myriad ways - something like plausible deniablity and non state actors of pakistan.

may be a little OT

wrt unkil influence it is felt across the globe including India.
American hegemony built on 4 aspects- military, economic, innovation and cultural.

Cultural domination has been an underappreciated facet of American global power. Whatever one may think of its aesthetic values, America's mass culture exercises a magnetic appeal, especially on the world's youth. Its attraction may be derived from the hedonistic quality of the lifestyle it projects, but its global appeal is undeniable. American television programs and films account for about three-fourths of the global market. American popular musicis equally dominant, while American fads, eating habits, and even clothing are increasingly imitated worldwide. The language of the Internet is English, and an overwhelming proportion of the global computer chatter also originates from America, influencing the content of global conversation. Lastly, America has become a Mecca for those seeking advanced education, with approximately half a million foreign students flocking to the United States, with many of the ablest never returning home. Graduates from American universities are to be found in almost every Cabinet on everycontinent.

In Indian context some heavily influenced folks become sepoys etc.

As the imitation of American ways gradually pervades the world, it creates a more congenial setting for the exercise of the indirect and seemingly consensual American hegemony. And as in the case of the domestic American system, that hegemony involves a complex structure of interlocking institutions and procedures, designed to generate consensus and obscure asymmetries in power and influence. American global supremacy is thus buttressed by an elaborate system of alliances and coalitions that literally span the globe.

many of the world institutions are carefully managed by USA.

The Western Hemisphere is generally shielded from outside influences, enabling America to play the central role in existing hemispheric multilateral organizations.

Avoid damage to western hemisphere but create mayhem in other parts of the world to prevent emergence of a rival to america.

Rather, America stands at the center of an interlocking universe, one in which power is exercised through
continuous bargaining, dialogue, diffusion, and quest for formal consensus, even though that power originates ultimately from a single source, namely, Washington, D.C.And that is where the power game has to be played, and played according to America's domestic rules.

power center remains white house

Most foreign governments also employ American lobbyists to advance their case, especially in Congress, in addition to approximately one thousand special foreign interest groups registered as active in America's capital.

virtually every country which thinks usa is improtant has a lobby in washington

many of brfites likley know about the above quotes are from grand chessboard by carter NSA brezinski.

his book and the wars in ukraine middle east are right on dot.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Feb 2016 12:45

F-16 deal with Pakistan will affect aspects of Indo-US ties: Pacific Command - PTI

The US' decision to sell eight nuclear-capable F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan would affect "some aspects" of Indo-US relationship, a top American military commander has said ahead of his visit to India, which has strongly protested the nearly $700 million deal.

"With regard to the sale of F-16s to Pakistan, while I don't have a professional opinion on that sale itself, certainly it will affect some aspects of our relationship with India," the US Pacific Command ( PACOM) Commander, Admiral Harry Harris, told lawmakers during a Congressional hearing yesterday.

Harris, who will visit India next week, was responding to question from members of the House Armed Services Committee.

"I know that I will be asked about it when I go to India, and I hope to be able to tell them that that sale is just one aspect of many military sales that we make across the world, and that we view our relationship with India very importantly," Harris said.

"I hope that we can work through this sale, and their perception of it, to continue to improve our relationship with India," Admiral Harris said, responding to a question on F-16 from Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard.

Gabbard, the first ever Hindu Congresswoman elected to the US House of Representatives, expressed serious concern over the Obama Administration's decision to sell the fighter jets to Pakistan.

"There's a potential sale of eight F-16s to Pakistan that I and other members of Congress have expressed very serious concerns about, given the fact that Pakistan has long harboured and given safe haven to various terrorist groups that continue to launch destabilising attacks within India, as well as Afghanistan," she said.

"The recent release of Hafiz Saeed, one of the masterminds of the 2008 Mumbai terrorist attack, where six US citizens were killed, even at the protests of the US -- there are a number of other concerns that we have," she said.

arun · Post by **arun** » 25 Feb 2016 14:04

^^^ Was going to X Post the same news item.

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 26 Feb 2016 13:59

Resolution introduced in US House to block sale of F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan

A top US lawmaker has introduced a "joint resolution" in the House of Representatives to express Congress's disapproval over an arms deal with Pakistan.

PTI
Washington
Feb 26, 2016, 7:23

A top US lawmaker has introduced a “joint resolution” in the House of Representatives to express Congress’s disapproval over an arms deal with Pakistan which includes the sale of eight nuclear-capable F-16 fighter jets to the latter.

“The government of Pakistan has been using weapons from the US to repress its own citizens and especially the people of Baluchistan,” Congressman Dana Rohrabacher said on Thursday after he introduced the resolution in the House of Representatives which is similar to Indian Parliament’s lower House, the Lok Sabha.

“The deciding factor of whether to support this Joint Resolution is, for me, the arrogant and hostile actions taken by the government of Pakistan against the man who helped bring Osama bin Laden to justice,” Rohrabacher said.

Earlier this month, the Obama administration officially announced it would go through with the USD700 million arms deal with Pakistan.

Alleging that Osama bin Laden was a “mass murderer” of 3,000 Americans on September 11, 2001, he said anyone who helped bring him to justice is an “American hero”.

“The government of Pakistan arrested Shakil Afridi and continues to hold him in a cage. The arrest was a declaration of hostility toward the United States,” he said.

“Our government should not provide military equipment to Pakistan, let alone F-16s, as long as they are holding Afridi. His continued incarceration is an action which underscores that the government of Pakistan considers itself our enemy, not our friend,” Rohrabacher said.

A day earlier, former Republican presidential candidate Senator Rand Paul introduced the joint resolution in the Senate to block sale of F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan.

The resolution (SJ Res 30) calls for prohibiting sale of eight F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan, which the State Department had recently notified to the Congress.

It also calls for “prohibiting sale” of other military hardware to Pakistan including eight Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suites (AIDWES), 14 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS).

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 26 Feb 2016 14:13

Parallel process in Senate -

U.S. senator wants hearing on possible F-16 sale to Pakistan

WASHINGTON | BY ANDREA SHALAL

U.S. Senator John McCain on Thursday urged the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to hold a hearing on the possible sale of Lockheed Martin Corp F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan, as more lawmakers expressed concern about the deal.

McCain, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, told reporters he was concerned about the timing of the Obama administration's decision to approve the sale of the fighter jets to Pakistan, and the potential consequences for U.S. relations with India.

"I would rather have seen it kicked over into the next administration," McCain said.

A hearing would help senators decide what to do about the proposed sale, he said, noting he was very "conflicted."

The U.S. government announced on Feb. 12 that it had approved the sale to Pakistan of up to eight additional F-16 fighter jets, as well as radars and other equipment in a deal valued at $699 million.

The deal drew immediate criticism from India.

Separately, U.S. Senator Rand Paul said Thursday he had introduced a resolution of disapproval seeking to halt U.S. arms sales to Pakistan's government. If passed, the measure would stop the F-16 sale.

U.S. lawmakers have until March 12 to block the sale. Such action is rare since deals are usually well vetted before any formal notification, and it remained unclear if lawmakers would thwart the deal.

State Department spokesman David McKeeby said the proposed sale of F-16s would assist Pakistan’s counter terrorism and counterinsurgency operations and was in the interests of Pakistan, the United States, NATO and the region.

"Pakistan’s current F-16s have proven critical to the success of these operations to date. These operations reduce the ability of militants to use Pakistani territory as a safe haven for terrorism and a base of support for the insurgency in Afghanistan," he said.

McKeeby said the department was aware of congressional concerns and would continue to consult and engage with lawmakers.

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker allowed the Obama administration to proceed with the deal, but said he would not approve using U.S. funds to pay for the planes through the foreign military financing (FMF) program.

Corker told Secretary of State John Kerry in a letter earlier this month that he was concerned about Pakistan's ties to the Haqqani network, a militant group that U.S. officials have said is behind attacks in Afghanistan.

(Additional reporting by Patricia Zengerle; Editing by Bernadette Baum and Cynthia Osterman)

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 26 Feb 2016 20:24

SSridhar wrote:
svinayak wrote:It is Indian media which is trying to project larger than reality influence of US in India
It is India universities which is trying to copy and compare with western universities instead of Indian centric education and focus on Indian history. It is urban Indian english speaking elite which is trying to bring west inside India when it is not really necessary

These are some of the reasons which make one feel there is some pressure when there is none.
Even I have felt this 'influence' which is not based on reality.
You are partly right and equally wrong also.

None can deny that after the 90s crisis and the opening of the economy, the US influence in India has grown enormously. There used to be times only when top musicians used to do so, then slowly politicians were roped in (to get benefits) and now it is the US consular staff. The Japanese consul is not invited !

After having resisted CISMOA & LSA for a decade, it is only a matter of time now. Let us not even get into whether they are good or bad which is a separate discussion. The US has become the largest defence supplier to India. The US has one of the largest and deepest military-to-military relationships with us. By c. 2010, India had already become the country with which the U.S. had the maximum number of joint defence exercises and this has only grown enormously since then. So, I don't understand it when you say, "India has the smallest footprint in military cooperation with US". Whether he means it or not Barack Obama and his administration often say that relationship with India is the 'defining moment of the 21st century'.

One has to look at developments bilaterally to see where the relationship is headed rather than looking in comparison to the rest of the world as you tried to do citing Philippines, China etc.

All these are weak arguments. Will reply later when I have time.
Trade and economics matter the most and that is the weakest link with India.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Feb 2016 06:05

Fit Better here than in Afghanistan Dhaga.

US Task Force Hunting $2.2Bln Military Equipment ‘Lost’ in Afghanistan ©

http://sputniknews.com/military/2016022 ... z41KOkDU3x
( Did Paki get/buy some of this "lost" stuff)

he US Army said that a US military task force has recovered over the past two years almost two thirds of more than $2 billion worth of equipment lost in Afghanistan.WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — A US military task force has recovered over the past two years almost two thirds of more than $2 billion worth of equipment lost in Afghanistan, the US Army said in a report.
"The mission, known as Task Force Jessup, centers on establishing an accountability trail for $2.2 billion worth of equipment 'lost' in Afghanistan from 2006 to 2015," the report, published on the official www.army.mil web site on Thursday, stated.By January 30, 2016, Task Force Jessup had recovered $1.4 billion worth of missing material, the report pointed out.Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction John Sopko said that the United States still lacks a plan for reducing the impact of corruption in Afghanistan."While it may be easy to lose small items, it's more difficult to understand how a Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicle (MRAP) can be lost. The answer is it was never really lost, but misplaced," the report noted.Task Force Jessup, based at Bagram Airfield, combs through records to reconstruct property transactions for thousands of pieces of equipment ranging in size from hand-held items to MRAP vehicles with weights of more than 20 tons, the report added.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Feb 2016 07:17

Jhujar wrote: US Task Force Hunting $2.2Bln Military Equipment ‘Lost’ in Afghanistan ©

http://sputniknews.com/military/2016022 ... z41KOkDU3x
( Did Paki get/buy some of this "lost" stuff)

This is bad news for India because this is another free transfer of USD 2.2 Bln arms to Pakistan.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 27 Feb 2016 09:38

They recovered 1.4 billion. So only 700 million transfer

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 27 Feb 2016 17:52

^^ if actually only 2.2 bn worth of it is lost, who can count?. These mofo morons will give it for free to wahabis in afpak just to have more fun, as in ME . We must cancel an order or two in support of F-16 sales to pukes.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 28 Feb 2016 16:56

'Don’t want to upset balance’: Kerry defends F-16 sale to Pakistan

A cascade of falsehoods, misrepresentation, and assorted mendacity is flowing from the Obama administration as it announced its determination to push forward with the sale of F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan amid mounting objection from US lawmakers.
Secretary of State John Kerry led the defence of what many experts see as a Faustian gambit, as he argued that the fighter jets "have been a critical part of the Pakistani fight against the terrorists in the western part of that country, and have been effective in that fight.'' The assertion went against every known fact highlighted by many experts, including some Pakistani analysts who concede that the F-16s are irrelevant in the fight against terrorism and are mainly meant for use against India; and that where they have been used, it is against Baloch nationalists and other irredentists in Pakistanis, not against terrorists nurtured by the Pakistani establishment.

We don't want to do things that upset the balance," Kerry said in reference to concerns from India that were underscored by some lawmakers.

rgosain · Post by **rgosain** » 28 Feb 2016 18:21

svenkat wrote:'Don’t want to upset balance’: Kerry defends F-16 sale to Pakistan

A cascade of falsehoods, misrepresentation, and assorted mendacity is flowing from the Obama administration as it announced its determination to push forward with the sale of F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan amid mounting objection from US lawmakers.
Secretary of State John Kerry led the defence of what many experts see as a Faustian gambit, as he argued that the fighter jets "have been a critical part of the Pakistani fight against the terrorists in the western part of that country, and have been effective in that fight.'' The assertion went against every known fact highlighted by many experts, including some Pakistani analysts who concede that the F-16s are irrelevant in the fight against terrorism and are mainly meant for use against India; and that where they have been used, it is against Baloch nationalists and other irredentists in Pakistanis, not against terrorists nurtured by the Pakistani establishment.

We don't want to do things that upset the balance," Kerry said in reference to concerns from India that were underscored by some lawmakers.

The fault here is India's. In 2014, just after the election, I wrote on this very forum, that Modi should have demanded the resignation of Kerry as a precondition for visiting the USA. Kerry as a former chairman of the senate foreign relations committee was the driving force in the ban on Modi. It wouldn't have mattered in the end to USA -India relations, because the USA always finds a way to supply lethal aid free of charge to Pakistan, in order to balance India.
If this transfer goes through, then it will demonstrate clearly that the state department is unfit to conduct relations with India. A clinton admin with Huma Abeidi at the helm will be an absolute disaster and a triumph for the Pak-Saudi-Prc nexuses. Don't be surprised to see the Buddha smiling again..