Brussels airport terror attack

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Mar 2016 21:24

rsingh there is lot of reverse psy-ops or schadenfreude here by posters.

Don't take it serious.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 22 Mar 2016 21:27

rsingh wrote:
Chandragupta wrote:Question is, has Belgium & EU done enough for its minorities? We have to see the root cause of this armed struggle by poor & marginalised minorities against the Capitalistic christian hegemonic states. The discrimination - both racial & communal of the poor, uneducated & unemployed Muslim & Arab youth is the reason why so many of these innocent young chaps get drawn to becoming armed militants and is the root cause of unfortunate incidents like these. Europe can do more, it must do more. I implore the Secular Republic of India to send a team of neutral observers to observe & take account of the protection of minority rights in Europe.
Are you kidding? Your so called minorities specializes in child producing. I know faithfools given big City house for his his seven piglets. No body in family works. Eldest has a rapport with police........for scratching my new car. House free. take unemployment benefit and laugh at people who rush to work be it rain or snow. They shop in cheap Aldi stores and halal shop. On Eid they butcher the lamb in backyard (it is prohibited to do so). No body stops muslim youth from going to school. it is free.

Tsh, Tsh. Osh Bgosh Fmosh. We must show tolerance towards all customs and religions. If you have cake, why not let the bread scratch it? Makes a nice sandwich. Many childrens should be encouraged, house building, bigger house building is creating jobs and industry. It is a trickle down effect. The rich are chosen people, they do not work. The chosen people are rich, they also do not work.

Iskool is designed to lure and indoctrinate in propaganda and ideology. What has the western ideology brought us? Global warming? Nukular disasters? Bumming everywhere. Knife to the throat was so much simpler. This is just the call of the pieceful to the good old days. Some people resist change.

What did you just read?

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 22 Mar 2016 21:34

I think Shariah is the real answer to all these problems. Once the vice in the western society is wiped out then peace will prevail. It is the futile resistance to this path of peace which is causing pain to EU brothers. Minorities shoukd be given more opportunities to voice their opinion. Oppressing them will only force these poor and needy people to take up arms.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 22 Mar 2016 21:34

^^^
vous-êtes-méchant

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 22 Mar 2016 21:41

Yes, take down alms then take up arms.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 22 Mar 2016 21:41

Sorry to say this. I am not going to cry for EU when I do not have tears left for my own people. Indians die like dogs on the streets of my country every other day. I do not see 'we are all mumbai today' kind of posters from any one in EU. No sir all I get is a bowl full of sermon on how India should negotiate with phucking terrorists. So I am sad for the loss of life. But big bad jihadis coming to get EU? Meh..

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 22 Mar 2016 21:47

Have you tried visine? Why settle for substitutes when you can make more of your own tears.

#JeSuisBruxelles: Crying Tintin, Cartoons Pay Tribute To Victims Of Brussels -- are you dilbu, tintin in disguise?

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 22 Mar 2016 22:04

arshyam wrote:My objection is to give these things more importance than they deserve, considering we don't get any reciprocity from these people.

arshyam ji, understood.

arshyam wrote:The rest of the fault is their own faulty education system. I was watching a film on the McCain-Palin campaign last night, and the good lady couldn't tell who was the head of the govt in the UK, nor could she differentiate between N and S Korea, and yet she got resounding applause from her party base (one level of the society you mention). And this is about countries alongside whom they fought the punishing WW2 and the Korean wars. Given all this, it is too much to expect Indians to go edumacate them about their ignorance about India, which is mostly off the radar.

Yes, the main problem is their education system and their mainstream media. Our Indian media (even state-run media), cinema, etc. does nothing to redress the issue or project Indian culture, opinions, etc into drawing rooms worldwide, either. We have no BBC, RT, Al Jazeera, no state-funded movies like in Chinese/Taiwanese cinema, no regular cultural events that tour Western cities funded by Beijing, etc. In fact our private media and Bollywood often do the opposite - act as funnels for foreign culture and opinion into Indian heads. Indian presence in the West is primarily though those of us that work there, and by the occasional swami who helps some of them help themselves.

So we can do this to redress the situation:
1. Lobby for Doordarshan to start a slick channel devoted to aggressively projecting Indian opinion to a global audience. Same case with Bollywood - the only such notable attempt by Bollywood is "My Name is Khan and I am not a terrorist" - exactly the opposite of what we need to project...a case of Indian soft power being cuckolded and used for another culture's interests.

2. Expat Indians need to engage with American society at a street-level in a much more aggressive way - that includes parades and other cultural events, but also via charities, social outreach involvement, etc.

arshyam wrote:Desis in the US being well off, will simply stay away from such haunts, or other similar places where one can interact with that strata of society. The same goes for black Americans - desis don't interact much with them either. There is perhaps a racial element too, but that's another topic for another day.

This is an important point, but OT on this thread.

arshyam wrote:Having said that, after having interacted with many educated and well-off goras in workplace, college, etc., not once have I been asked about such incidents in India, or expressing any commiseration. Not once.

When someone asks me "how're you doing?" I say, "aggravated". "Gosh, why?" Because of the latest terrorist attack in India. Or because of what goes on in Pakhanastan, etc. - anything that's on my mind. Sure to generate lots of agreement - and probably questions about India and how we're connected to this jihadi culture. One can create a conversation to express one's opinions or feelings. That proactive mentality at an individual level is needed, rather than passively waiting for colleagues to suddenly decide to follow boring or ludicrous Indian news channels and rush over to commiserate us on a terror attack. Forget being evangelistic about our culture, Indians can at least learn to express our opinions and identity freely and forcefully. Even when I fill out a form and have to mark my "race", I speak out and say I'm not "Asian" or "Pacific Islander" or "Middle Eastern", I'm "Indian", and I don't see that option available. Instead, I see a lot of 2nd gen expat desis identifying with being "brown" along with a bunch of others. In the UK, reportage of sex-grooming routinely identified the Paki perps as "Asian", and idiot Hindu, Sikh, and other Indian groups have rarely ever protested that label, and in fact even join voices with Paki groups there against discrimination against "Asians" in other contexts. Couldn't that activism be channeled better instead of hooking it to such problematic identity labels?

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 22 Mar 2016 22:39

Okay so someone really doesn't like sprouts.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 22 Mar 2016 22:42

LokeshC wrote:Butchering lambs is an islamic tradition and EU must allow them to do so anywhere they please. Freedom of faith and expression.

School should be made islamic enough and every kid in the school be familiar with Islamic traditions so that these people dont feel like outsiders. Every activity should be stopped 5 times a day and Sunday should be moved to Friday.

EU folks cannot complain if such liberal freedoms are not provided for the Islamic faith. Such attacks will continue to occur when their voices go unheard.

//written like how every sanctimonious mofo in eu-land talks to India after a terror attack against us.

Just curious - is azaan allowed at 4AM daily in the EU? Perhaps another reason for discontentment...

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 22 Mar 2016 22:45

Agnimitra wrote:We have no BBC, RT, Al Jazeera, no state-funded movies like in Chinese/Taiwanese cinema, no regular cultural events that tour Western cities funded by Beijing, etc. In fact our private media and Bollywood often do the opposite - act as funnels for foreign culture and opinion into Indian heads. Indian presence in the West is primarily though those of us that work there, and by the occasional swami who helps some of them help themselves.

Tell me about it. RT in fact beams to my local Comcast cable TV, even CNN/MSNBC/Fox don't. Not that I am complaining about it, but we are sorely lacking Indic viewpoints.

Agnimitra wrote:When someone asks me "how're you doing?" I say, "aggravated". "Gosh, why?" Because of the latest terrorist attack in India. Or because of what goes on in Pakhanastan, etc. - anything that's on my mind. Sure to generate lots of agreement - and probably questions about India and how we're connected to this jihadi culture. One can create a conversation to express one's opinions or feelings. That proactive mentality at an individual level is needed, rather than passively waiting for colleagues to suddenly decide to follow boring or ludicrous Indian news channels and rush over to commiserate us on a terror attack. Forget being evangelistic about our culture, Indians can at least learn to express our opinions and identity freely and forcefully. Even when I fill out a form and have to mark my "race", I speak out and say I'm not "Asian" or "Pacific Islander" or "Middle Eastern", I'm "Indian", and I don't see that option available. Instead, I see a lot of 2nd gen expat desis identifying with being "brown" along with a bunch of others. In the UK, reportage of sex-grooming routinely identified the Paki perps as "Asian", and idiot Hindu, Sikh, and other Indian groups have rarely ever protested that label, and in fact even join voices with Paki groups there against discrimination against "Asians" in other contexts. Couldn't that activism be channeled better instead of hooking it to such problematic identity labels?

Agnimitra-ji, good points here, something for me to ponder about.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 22 Mar 2016 22:47

Coming back to this attack - perhaps the Brussels Branch of Pakistaniyat decided that they were in a 'use it or lose it" situation with the Paris Herrow arrested and squealing in some Surete torture chamber. Those who thought they had operation plans ready, went ahead and used them.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 22 Mar 2016 22:49

As if on cue:

https://twitter.com/tehseenp/status/712237074678611968

@tehseenp
With democracies the world over starting to fail giving rise to Trumps & Modis the counter product will be in human extremists #Brussels

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Mar 2016 23:15

^^^ Batting above pay grade. Fool doesn't know who to mess with.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 22 Mar 2016 23:18

Note the term :- "Human Extremists". He has already humanized them and accepted what they did as something humane (yet violent).

Tehseen Poonawalla can be now safely called an out-and-out jihadi Islamo-fascist who is also (as most fascists are) truly un-democratic.

He has also directly justified any future terror attack on India by Islamists.

shravanp · Post by **shravanp** » 22 Mar 2016 23:25

India, and Hindus in particular are alone in their existential fight. No matter how much EU gets realization regarding peacefools, they shall never give a damn to India. Hindus have to chart out their own strategy. But first, there's many jaichands who needed to be exposed.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 22 Mar 2016 23:27

LokeshC wrote:Note the term :- "Human Extremists". He has already humanized them and accepted what they did as something humane (yet violent).

Tehseen Poonawalla can be now safely called an out-and-out jihadi Islamo-fascist who is also (as most fascists are) truly un-democratic.

He has also directly justified any future terror attack on India by Islamists.

how abt forwarding his tweet to see eye aa etc?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Mar 2016 23:29

You know this jobs/azan/cultural discrimination thing is also not right, well fed and well educated jihadis have been prone to terrorist attacks.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 22 Mar 2016 23:44

Education, especially scientific education to true Momins is like handing fully loaded AK-47 to monkey and should never be done. TNT must be practiced universally with DUI separated from DU Kuffar by clear cut, firm,mined and duly patrolled boundaries on ground.

member_29218 · Post by **member_29218** » 23 Mar 2016 02:27

Agnimitra wrote: When someone asks me "how're you doing?" I say, "aggravated". "Gosh, why?" Because of the latest terrorist attack in India. Or because of what goes on in Pakhanastan, etc. - anything that's on my mind. Sure to generate lots of agreement - and probably questions about India and how we're connected to this jihadi culture. One can create a conversation to express one's opinions or feelings. That proactive mentality at an individual level is needed, rather than passively waiting for colleagues to suddenly decide to follow boring or ludicrous Indian news channels and rush over to commiserate us on a terror attack. Forget being evangelistic about our culture, Indians can at least learn to express our opinions and identity freely and forcefully. Even when I fill out a form and have to mark my "race", I speak out and say I'm not "Asian" or "Pacific Islander" or "Middle Eastern", I'm "Indian", and I don't see that option available. Instead, I see a lot of 2nd gen expat desis identifying with being "brown" along with a bunch of others. In the UK, reportage of sex-grooming routinely identified the Paki perps as "Asian", and idiot Hindu, Sikh, and other Indian groups have rarely ever protested that label, and in fact even join voices with Paki groups there against discrimination against "Asians" in other contexts. Couldn't that activism be channeled better instead of hooking it to such problematic identity labels?

Well said Agnimitra Ji.

I know this is probably a drop in the ocean but I lose no opportunity to 'educate' Americans. In my job I am often (twice a week) forced to spend an entire day with two people in the same room where for long periods of time we 'shoot the breeze'. We talk about anything under the sun but as much as possible I try to tell them about the Indian culture, languages, societal mores, relationships (they are usually surprised that there is even a word in every Indian language for the wife of the father's younger brother).

Every now and then something like Charlie Hebdo or the Paris or now the Brussels attacks become the center of the conversation for the day. I am careful to not sound shrill and accusatory. So often we lose the chance to make ourselves heard simply because we are so desperate to be heard and we come across as biased and prejudiced.

So I take my time and slowly introduce the idea of Jihadi muslims and their aspirations of a Caliphate, beginning with the Paki ideology and the two nation theory, the bloody partition of India. 99% of Americans have no clue that over a million people died in that bloodbath or that the Brits were responsible. Similarly they have no idea of the Paki Terror University. My favorite phrase is 'On the World Map of Terrorism, All Roads Lead to Pakistan'.

One thing you have to be very careful with esp around Blacks, not to lambast Islam itself or all muslims, because many are muslims themselves but may not have ANY overt signs to suggest so, they may still have names like James Jefferson (a very popular last name among Blacks, BTW).

It may be a complete waste of effort on my part, but I am convinced that even a little bit helps, they go home and talk to their spouses and their relatives, the word is bound to spread, albeit slowly. Whether it will change the world in any way, I doubt it, but I am damned if I am going to just sit and do nothing.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 23 Mar 2016 02:49

Primus wrote:It may be a complete waste of effort on my part, but I am convinced that even a little bit helps, they go home and talk to their spouses and their relatives, the word is bound to spread, albeit slowly. Whether it will change the world in any way, I doubt it, but I am damned if I am going to just sit and do nothing.

Absolutely, Primus ji.

Primus wrote:One thing you have to be very careful with esp around Blacks, not to lambast Islam itself or all muslims, because many are muslims themselves but may not have ANY overt signs to suggest so, they may still have names like James Jefferson (a very popular last name among Blacks, BTW).

Apart from the obvious skin colour of majority Indians, I identify with Afro-Americans by saying that many Indians have been slaves for centuries, in our own homeland. Talking about how Islam dominated the slave trade, their race theories about dhaat/zaat (see BRF post here), etc and how many Indians were victims of that... helps to kill two birds with one stone. Secondly, I also throw in the fact that colonial Europe actually learned colonialism and slave-trade from the Islamic Ottomans - which is received with some gratitude by Anglo-Americans, as a way to otherize the guilt (if any). It is a fact, for white-slavery was rampant and a section of Europeans (including European Jewry) were abducting and selling Euros to the Islamics for centuries, after which they moved up and undertook the full-spectrum colonial adventure modeled on the Ottoman "swords and sufis" method.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 23 Mar 2016 02:52

This is just Jihad. No useless reasons. Rest is all lies.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 23 Mar 2016 03:24

YK,

This is naive, of course in poor taste, unnecessary, and counter productive. This is a vicious cycle, not a zero sum game.

The easiest means of diverting pressure is to open a tap somewhere else. Guess what the polity will lean towards. This is a fast march towards backwardness, open racism, and reduced rights humanity of the past ages. Any and all occurences are mere justifications.

There is always a method to madness. And post operative opportunism in accidents. More is not better in this case. Reason has never won over stupidity holding a sword. Less is the real hope. And there is little left of it.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 23 Mar 2016 03:31

'Stay home and be safe': India issues travel advisory for its nationals in Belgium

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 516913.cms

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Mar 2016 03:33

ISIS in Levant is dissolving due to various factors: Russian forces and withdrawal, Syria peace accord, too close to Europe, refugee crisis etc. US elections.

Libya is heating up..

Is this Brussels attack a desperate parting shot from ISIS or a reaction to last week Paris attacker arrest?
From modus operandi looks like a lot of planning went in selecting targets and making weapons.
So could be a mixture of both.
A parting shot hastened by the arrest?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 23 Mar 2016 03:40

Yes, they must have a lot of these planned out. So like the Quarterback calling out a play, maybe the Caliph calls out

3437-C! 3437-C! Inshallah! For 1 week after Ides of March. AOA!

And the plan goes into motion. Remember the Charles Bronson movie "Telefon". All that needed to be done was to make that phone call:

The woods are lovely dark and deep, but you have promises to keep.
And miles to go to Houristan, and miles to go to Houristan, Abdul!

And Abdul grabs the soosai vest and AK-47 from the cavity below the garage floor and heads out.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 23 Mar 2016 03:49

ramana,

Remains to be seen. Too much propagnda and fist waiving. Too little visibility. As a disrupter, eyeAss will probably forever have power similar to talipaan. Its not going away. As to whether oeuropean disruptions are occasional accident or a regular occurrence, doubtful anyone knows.

With millions landed on western shores, there will always be disgruntled souls to exploit. libya, syria etc are geopolitical contests. This is a frustration discharge. Whether the frustration itself is borne out of worse failures is besides the point. so they are not as intertwined as made out.

This was a matter of time. Accident. Opportunism. Whatever. Symbolic black flag waving (would have been a green flag, if not black) apart, its just critical mass arriving. Whether this is just another random spark or the start of a detonation will only be told in the future.

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 23 Mar 2016 04:07

Loss of ordinary people's lives is sad regardless of nationality. But the game being played here may be much more deeper and than what meets the eyes. EeeYou's disintegration benefits someone. Demise of EeYou cullency benefits someone. Rest could be, sadly, just a sideshow.

If it wasn't for BR understanding these deep agendas would have been simply impossible.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 23 Mar 2016 05:03

The people of Brussels are resilient and shall not go down on their their knees in the face of terror

. To extrapolate mumble mumble Singh's uplifting response to 26/11.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... emism.html

No riding around in jeeps showing how the next time how we'll defeat exactly the same 2008 attack. I'm talking about that ludicrous Mumbai parade they held with stern looking guys looking uncomfortable with the rifles they were holding.

The core is rotten not just in Belgium but in also in India. Anyone remember the "Such things will happen in large cities?" comment from that idiot RR Patil (whatever)?

The Euros sre on the verge of wondering what Ferdinand and Isabella got right in the 15th century.

sum · Post by **sum** » 23 Mar 2016 05:04

LokeshC wrote:As if on cue:

https://twitter.com/tehseenp/status/712237074678611968

@tehseenp
With democracies the world over starting to fail giving rise to Trumps & Modis the counter product will be in human extremists #Brussels

Its actually good that the retards do this and expose themselves more rather than the usual Taqqiayya.

The posts in reply to his in the feed should give a good idea about how it actually helped so many see his true picture.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 23 Mar 2016 06:17

ISIS in levant is far from done. read the article by haider sumeri on the IS fronts in Iraq.....they are deeply entrenched, have a lot of area under control and enjoy the support of many people. it will be a herculean effort to uproot them from iraq alone.

then there is syria. the SAA is having a hard time uprooting them from a small town Palmyra.....imagine what will happen in raqqa and their pride lands further up north.

they will no longer be able to expand but will go down fighting all the way = those who deserted and ran have already done so.

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 23 Mar 2016 06:31

JE Menon wrote:Subtly, unnoticeably, the situation is changing. It won't be good for Indians or others who are as much victims of Islamic terror as the Europeans are.

In the long run, this is not all bad. As Europe becomes less welcoming for brown folk, India's brain drain will be reduced.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 23 Mar 2016 10:14

The gates were left wide open years ago.The "locals" have now been fully indoctrinated,have combat experience in the MEast,and are available in their thousands (with a million+ waiting at the gates -the so-called refugees) firmly embedded in Muslim localities in the EU heartland.Paris and Brussels is the start of the civil war in Europe between the two faiths,radical intolerant "Islam" and "Christian" Europe,were except for a few countries,there are more atheists than Christians,perhaps why there care a fig about the Islamic invasion. Britain would do well to "Brexit" .They already have the hordes of Islamic radicals inside and need no more.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 23 Mar 2016 17:13

ShravanP wrote:India, and Hindus in particular are alone in their existential fight. No matter how much EU gets realization regarding peacefools, they shall never give a damn to India. Hindus have to chart out their own strategy. But first, there's many jaichands who needed to be exposed.

We prepared a dossier for recognition if Hinduism as religion and presented to Belgian Govt. As of now it hinduism is a cult. So for this dosssier we did a research and found Indians are least likely to commit crime in Europe (given huge population). So it is a well known fact.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 23 Mar 2016 18:25

Any references?

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 23 Mar 2016 19:15

emotions run high in EU, monumental towers lit up in Belgian colour & mourning observed across, perhaps now they must realise how Indians feel with each 26/11 etc. Hope it doesn't become 'pride & spirit' of Europe can't be put down, and back to business like Mumbai.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 23 Mar 2016 19:25

Two of the suicide bombers who carried out attacks in Brussels on Tuesday have been named as brothers Khalid and Brahim el-Bakraoui, Belgian nationals.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35879141

sky reports IS has been successful in raising a full suicide brigade, their job is to get trained (in ME conflict areas), form cells, act independent of each other, pass on training to others. Members are from all over Europe, from Belgium alone some 50 members are registered in this brigade, apart from Germany, France.
They are highly motivated and looking forward to death.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Mar 2016 19:27

ramana wrote:A parting shot hastened by the arrest?

ramana, the IS is fighting back. It is diffusive, far more than Al Qaeda ever was. There is still strong financial support for it from traditional quarters in West Asia. Manpower has not been a problem for IS at all. Aerial bombings cannot inflict much damage to wipe it out and no one is sure whether the Americans, Russians, Turks et al have been targetting the real IS or others like Al Nusra, Kurds, Free Syrian Officers etc. Most probably the latter. The IS, even if it loses Raqqa can inflict much damage all over Europe and Asia because there are already sleeper cells, fighters who returned from Levant etc.

Al Qaeda did not hold space and lived at the mercy of the Afghan Taliban & the Pakistanis. When focus was turned against them, they had to flee and the ground forces were deployed to capture the Taliban space and deny sanctuary. Most AQ leaders were either eliminated or captured by Pakistan and handed over for rewards, except for the very top whom it protected. This has not happened with the IS because they are not the guests of any other power as far as space-occupation is concerned. There is no deployment of ground forces to break the back of the IS. The IS ideology and recruitment techniques sway a larger number of Muslims. Those who have participated have returned and 'accepted' back in their countries without being imprisoned. They are all potential sleeper cells.

The choice of Belgium is a challenge to NATO. Not that Belgium is a heavily defended place, what with the Flemish & French divisions working at cross purposes many a time.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 23 Mar 2016 19:27

sanjaykumar wrote:Any references?

Reference about what? About whether Hinduism is considered a cult or about the dossier presented to Belgium govt? It must be v strange, though common European stat prolly, for Belgians to notice that crime rate among 'cult' members is less, the lowest actually, even than fellow abrahamic brothers from the middle east?!

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 23 Mar 2016 19:30

Two brothers who carried out suicide bombing were well known to police for organised crime. For sure there are local whites as well from lower strata involved in similar crimes, why it is not possible to infiltrate these cells?

The airport suspect in white coat either did not detonate his device or some thing went wrong with it, he is still on the run, has been identified by Belgians and hiding some where, apparently he was carrying largest bum of all and had it gone off damage would have been far more.