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Why Washington Should Tell The House Of Saud To Take A Hike
by Consortium News • April 22, 2016 By Michael Brenner at ConsortiumNews.com

Posted In Full - A very well-balanced article
A staple of commentary about the fraught politics of the Middle East, especially the Gulf, is the wrenching torments of the Saudi royal family as they face unprecedented challenges. The essence of their plaint is that they are fending off a host of threats not of their own making and no longer can count on the United States as a reliable protector and moral supporter.
This theme has been picked up by analysts both in the region and here in the United States. The claim on our empathy is felt by many. Most often, the KSA and its empathizers have as their point of anxious departure the Iran nuclear deal, which is interpreted as some sort of American abandonment of their traditional ally.
There is a contrapuntal theme – but struck so sotto voce as to be almost inaudible. That is the line that conveys an antithetical conception of the problem and the challenge in apposition to the Saudi-centric narrative, which dominates the diplomatic and intellectual discourse.Riyadh lobbied hard for a military confrontation with the Islamic Republic and was keenly disappointed by that landmark accord. President Obama’s visit to Riyadh was designed to alleviate these strains and to reinvigorate the supposed alliance. Apparently, he may follow up with a proposal for some sort of security understanding between NATO and the GCC.
With a measure of detachment, it becomes starkly clear that the conventional approach only makes sense from a parochial Saudi vantage point; indeed, that of the new leadership of the semi-senile King Salman and the ruthless, power-hungry Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed who have pursued a series of reckless policies since taking power. They went out of their way to demonstrate their anger at Obama by refraining from welcoming him on arrival at the airport in violation of all protocol.
The House of Saud’s overriding preoccupation is their parlous legitimacy as rulers of Arabia. It is the pivot of everything they do. They are keenly aware that it hinges on their acknowledged status as custodians of the Holy Sites of Islam in Mecca and Medina, which they seized by force in the 1920s without even a semblance of consultation.
By their example, they have shown that they are not fit to be the "custodians of the Two Holy Mosques"; they have tarnished the image of Islam by their corrupt and sectarian behaviour !
Hence, the crucial alliance with the leaders of the Wahhabi movement. It is that blessing that endows the royal family with a semblance of authority. A number of propositions follow. They cannot afford to be outflanked at the fundamentalist end of the Sunni Islamic continuum.
Therefore, their aggressive promotion of an ultra-orthodox creed. Therefore, their strenuous efforts to coopt the proliferating jihadist movement that they themselves have encouraged. Therefore, the compulsion to present themselves as protector of the faithful against heretics (Shia) and all enemies of Islam. Therefore, their staunch opposition to the democratic spirit of the Arab Spring.
Therefore, their antipathy toward Iran whose own brand of Islamism threatens to foment unrest among Saudi Arabia’s large Shi’ite minority. Therefore, the goal of having the United States serve all of these ends by providing unqualified military backing regarding Iran, Assad’s secular regime, and the Houthis in Yemen.
Therefore, there resentment at Washington’s bringing to power in Iraq a Shi’ite dominated government. Therefore, their demand that the U.S. not cooperate with Shi’ite militias in the campaign against ISIL. Therefore, the ancillary goal of ensuring that the American’s cease their proselytization in the name of democracy in the Islamic world. Therefore, the aim of modeling the Saudi-American relationship on the Israeli model.
The current ruling Sudari branch of the royal family is more aggressive in pushing this strategy than were their predecessors while bent on establishing a Sudari line of succession. (IMO, this factor has been largely ignored; - the inter-factional infighting ) That claim gains strength if the Salmans can deliver on their audacious agenda.
Why does it serve United States’ interests to adopt the Saudi line that Iran is an implacably hostile force that sows instability throughout the Middle East and with whom any form of normalization is dangerous? Why does it serve our interests to act in a manner that strongly suggests that we have chosen the Sunni side in Islam’s sectarian confrontation? (let the inter-malsi factions fight it out without external interference; the end result will benefit mankind !)
Why does it serve our interests to participate in the bloody Saudi-led assault on Yemen which has led to a vast strengthening of the Al Qaeda branch which Washington long has judged to be the most menacing? Why do we tolerate the Saudi-led forces fighting side-by-side with Al Qaeda units? Why should we assiduously avoid even raising the issue of Saudi and friends’ backing of ISIL and their promotion of al-Nusra, Ahrar al-Shem in Syria – against the backdrop of aggressive projection of their anti-Western Wahhabist creed across the Islamic world?
Why should we give priority to removing Assad when his downfall will bring to power violent Salafist groups of the most extreme kind whom the KSA now see as shock troops in their war against Iranian led Shi’ism?
Other than narrow Saudi interests, the other stakeholder who sees advantage in the existing strategy is Israel – with whom the KAS now is in tacit alliance. ( Ummah brothers who support the "Palestinian cause" should take note !) Each demands obeisance from the United States despite their high degree of dependence on the American super-power.
Washington, in turns, accords them deference and appeasement. By any reasonable objective standard, that is illogical. Yet, there are no answers given to the questions asked above. They are not posed in political circles, they are ignored by the media, and the commentariat only rarely raises a timid hand.
The Obama administration restricts itself to making ad hominum declarations on individual issues that confuse more than they explain. If there is a coherent justification for what we are doing, and not doing, it is well-nigh time that we heard it. Preferably, before the President digs us an even deeper hole in Riyadh.
Instead, there is every indication that such a course reversal has been neither presented nor debated – much less accepted within the Obama administration. That is a sad commentary on this administration’s intellectual sclerosis and the President’s callowness. Always lacking the gumption to stand up to Netanyahu and the Israelis, he (and his successor) now must contend with a partnership that adds Saudi gold to the flow of influence in Washington.
The complexity of the dilemmas that the White House has created for itself is further exacerbated by the dismaying truth that most of the main actors are either emotionally unbalanced or monomaniacal fantasists: al-Baghdadi; the Salmans – father and son; Erdogan; Netanyahu.
The most level-headed and reasoned is Putin – whom Obama shuns in the conviction that a new Cold War is inescapable. Having designed a field of action sown with mines and offering no escape hatches, the temptation to temporize until retirement day may be irresistible.
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SS, Most Hindu articles are based on jaundiced kool aid.

Reidel is Democratic operator despite being an intelligence officer.

KSA is down market after trump finished off Jeb Bush.
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Adding heft to diplomacy, India to send flotilla of warships to Persian Gulf
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... ttarget=no
India is dispatching a flotilla of warships to the Persian Gulf to add military heft to its ongoing stepped-up diplomatic outreach to countries of the region, while striking a fine balance between Sunni-led Arab states like Saudi Arabia, UAE and Kuwait on one hand and the Shiite Iran on the other.
Defence ministry sources on Saturday said guided-missile destroyer INS Delhi, stealth frigates INS Tarkash and INS Trikhand, missile frigate INS Ganga and tanker INS Deepak of the western naval fleet will leave Mumbai for Dubai (UAE) on May 3.After three days in Dubai, the warships will reach Kuwait around May 12 before heading for Manama (Bahrain) and Muscat (Oman) and then finally return to Mumbai by May 27-28. Around the same time, from May 20 to 23, another Indian warship will be at the famous Bandar Abbas port city on southern coast of Iran.
That's not all. While defence minister Manohar Parrikar is slated to visit Oman in May, IAF's Sukhoi-30MKI fighter jets and IL-78 mid-air refuelling aircraft will also touch down in UAE for an exercise while returning from the Red Flag exercise at the Eielson airbase in Alaska (US) being held from April 28 to May 13.With India's primary area of strategic interest stretching from the Persian Gulf to the Malacca Strait, the country's military establishment is cranking up ties with the Arab.states as well as Iran. "The visits by our warships and aircraft to the Persian Gulf are aimed at enhancing defence relationships and inter-operability with the countries there as well as showing the Indian flag in this region of strategic importance," said an official.This military diplomacy is in tune with the political one to bolster economic and security bonds with a region that has around eight million Indian expatriates, apart from being a big trading partner and major source of energy, but has more than a few regional fault-lines.Then, in a counter-balancing bid, external affairs minister Sushma Swaraj and petroleum minister Dharmendra Pradhan visited Shia-majority Iran a few days later.Iran is crucial for India to get access to landlocked Afghanistan and Central Asia through the International North-South Transport Corridor project.
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Well the oil fueled subsidy economy is gone. And the public discontent has started. Probably the first among a long series of dominos to fall for the House of Sauds.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 966912.cms
he king of Saudi Arabia has sacked the country's water and electricity minister, Abdullah al-Hussayen, amid public anger over price hikes, state media reported.
King Salman issued a decree on Saturday ordering his dismissal and replacement in the interim by agriculture minister Abdel Rahman al-Fadli, said the official SPA news agency.
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is the right (dis) honourable minister going to have his head roll?
(literally not figuratively)
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That 's a big fleet going to the gulf. Who are we sending a message to?
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Absolutely scary. NaMo has ordered the armed fleet to stand by to protect the flotilla needed to evacuate millions - through a free-fire zone. :eek: Plus do armed landings as needed. Intel red flags must have become sharply worse. :shock: :eek:
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modi is letting it be known that 'airlift' is the new black
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Sealift reins supreme,when it comes to evacuation,from Dunkirk to Dubai!

Considering the huge amt. of Indian expats living in the Gulf,it is surprising that we've not leveraged our naval reach more in Gulf waters,as we have a massive legitimate right to do so.On the contrary,see how "Little Britain" and the RN is squatting anew in Bahrein. The Char Bahar port agreement is a most vital one,where regular visits of IN warships and subs are needed as a counter to Gwadar.With the war against ISIS reaching a new critical stage,assistance to both Iraq and Iran from India would be welcomed.
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Falijee wrote:Qatar and Saudi Arabia fueled the Syrian war, former Qatari FM

Straight from the horse's mouth !
Former Qatari Foreign Minister, Hamad Bin Jassim Bin Jabr Al Thani, revealed his country’s vile role in igniting and fueling the Syrian uprising in March 2011, which has eventually turned into one of the world’s bloodiest proxy wars. Bin Jassim’s remarks came as he was interviewed by the Financial Times days ago. Even though the facts unveiled are tremendously shocking, the interview has been suspiciously ignored and undervalued by most of Arabic and western media outlets..
Former Qatari Foreign Minister, Hamad Bin Jassim Bin Jabr Al Thani, revealed his country’s vile role in igniting and fueling the Syrian uprising in March 2011, which has eventually turned into one of the world’s bloodiest proxy wars. Bin Jassim’s remarks came as he was interviewed by the Financial Times days ago. Even though the facts unveiled are tremendously shocking, the interview has been suspiciously ignored and undervalued by most of Arabic and western media outlets.
Former Qatari Foreign Minister, Hamad Bin Jassim Bin Jabr Al Thani, revealed his country’s vile role in igniting and fueling the Syrian uprising in March 2011, which has eventually turned into one of the world’s bloodiest proxy wars. Bin Jassim’s remarks came as he was interviewed by the Financial Times days ago. Even though the facts unveiled are tremendously shocking, the interview has been suspiciously ignored and undervalued by most of Arabic and western media outlets.
PS: The said individual appears to have lost his job as FM, under the new regime; therefore, there is obviously some vested interest on his behalf to float this report , but appears to be credible !
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http://www.dnaindia.com/money/report-sa ... an-2206236
Saudi Arabia's Aramco studying offers for Indian oil refinery stakes: Dharmendra Pradhan
Saudi Aramco is considering proposals to buy stakes in Indian oil refining and petrochemical projects, oil minister Dharmendra Pradhan said on Monday, as the world's biggest oil exporter seeks outlets for its oil.Pradhan earlier this month met with Saudi Aramco chairman Khalid al-Falih and sought Saudi investment in a planned 1.2 million bpd refinery on India's west coast, the expansion of the Bina refinery and a petrochemical plant at Dahej, he said on Monday."All the three we have offered to Saudi. The two sides will decide on the proposals in a time bound manner," Pradhan said, meaning there are deadlines for reaching investment decisions.Three Indian state refiners - Indian Oil Corp, Hindustan Petroleum Corp and Bharat Petroleum Corp BPCl.NS - plan to build the 1.2-million bpd refinery on the country's west coast at a cost of more than Rs 1 lakh crore ($15.02 billion) to meet the country's growing fuel demand.Bharat Oman Refineries Ltd is expanding the capacity of the Bina refinery in Central India by 30% to 156,000 bpd while OPAL, majority owned by Oil and Natural Gas Ltd, is building a petrochemical plant in Gujarat.Saudi Aramco Chief Executive Amin Nasser last month said his company will is looking to expand its downstream investments in China, Malaysia, India, Vietnam and Indonesia.Saudi Aramco's expansion into refineries in major markets help guarantee demand for its crude oil exports amid intensifying global competition.India will be the most important driver of world energy demand growth in the years to come with its oil consumption rising by 6 million bpd to about 10 million bpd by 2040, according to the International Energy Agency.In the fiscal year to March 2016, the country's fuel demand surged at its highest pace in at least 15 years.
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keep this up and soon saudi will have shifted focus from washington to beijing and delhi
will be interesting to see what delhi does with that
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Saudi oil economy unravelling..

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/sacke ... -372554115
Workers at one of Saudi Arabia’s largest employers set fire to buses on Saturday amid protests at being laid off and told to leave the kingdom without being paid for several months work.

Footage uploaded to YouTube showed employees of the Binladin Group protesting outside the construction company’s offices in Mecca province (look where the protest happened), and setting fire to several buses.

The protesting workers are among 50,000 foreign labourers who have been sacked by the private company as the kingdom’s revenues have declined due to low oil prices, which have forced government spending cuts.

Saudi daily al-Watan reported on Friday that Binladin had given the sacked foreign workers a permanent exit visa to leave the country but many of them do not want to leave because they claim not to have been paid properly.

Watan said some of the workers had not been paid in at least four months, and that they are now holding daily protests in front of the company’s offices.

The mass sacking by Binladin constitutes a 25 percent reduction of its total 200,000 workforce, according to its LinkedIn page.

The company, which was established in 1931 by the father of the late Al Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden, is one of Saudi Arabia’s largest employers and it has been responsible for large construction projects including building towers in the capital Riyadh, and universities and airports in the western port city of Jeddah.
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Saudi builder Binladin terminates 50,000 jobs: newspaper

Possible reasons:
The falling price of oil and the resulting unraveling of the Saudi economy and the mess-up in Yemen!
The Bin Laden Group is "out of favour" with the royal clique currently in power in Saudia!
The fallout from the recent "crane accident" in Mecca ; the Bin Laden Group was in charge!

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — Employees at the Saudi Binladin Group, a construction giant, have set fire to more than seven company buses in the latest protest by disgruntled staff over not being paid salaries for months and a large round of reported layoffs.
Masood Ahmed, director of the Middle East and Central Asia Department for the International Monetary Fund, told The Associated Press recently that one of the consequences of cutting back spending in the Gulf is that fewer people will be needed to work on government-backed projects.
This is part of a sensible strategy to try and balance their budgets over time to improve and further their fiscal resilience and to reflect the new reality in terms of oil revenues," he said.
It is also possible that Bin Laden Group may out of favour with the current ruling clique !
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Bush family business partners,the Bin laden's are in deep sh*t according to this report.Cracks appearing in the Soothi Barbaria kindom from the workers.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 08931.html
Saudi Arabia: Workers set fire to buses after '50,000 sacked and salaries not paid'
Binladin Group employees say they have not received their wages for six months

Elsa Vulliamy

Workers at a major Saudi construction firm have set fire to nine company buses in protest over thousands of sackings and their salaries not being paid.

Employees at Binladin Group have staged several demonstrations within Saudi Arabia’s Mecca region in recent weeks, with some claiming they have not received their wages for six months.

The attack on the company buses came after Saudi Al-Watan newspaper reported the company had laid off 50,000 foreign employees and issued them exit visas.

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Spokesperson for Mecca’s Civil Defense Major Nayef al-Sharif said no injuries were caused by the fires, and that firefighters had put out the blaze.

Reports say the company, set up by the father of al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin laden, is in $30 billion worth of debt due to falling oil prices.


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The Saudi government suspended the company from taking on further contracts in September 2015 after a crane collapsed in the city of Mecca, killing 107 people.

The company has not yet issued a statement about the protest, nor responded to accusations made against them by employees.
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Here is a nice report detailing how the House of Saud is banking on Western consultants and Chinese forex reserves.

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/saudi- ... heres-why/
Saudi Arabia is in serious trouble. The Binladin Group, the kingdom’s largest construction company, has terminated the employment of fifty thousand foreign workers. They have been issued exit visas, which they have refused to honor. These workers will not leave without being paid back wages. Angry with their employer, some of the workers set fire to seven of the company’s buses.

Unrest is on the cards in the Kingdom. In April, King Salman fired the water and electricity minister Abdullah al-Hasin, who had come under criticism for high water rates, new rules over the digging of wells and cuts in energy subsidies. The restructured ministry was to save the Kingdom $30 billion—precious money for an exchequer that is spluttering from low oil prices. Eighty-six percent of Saudis say that they want the water and electricity subsidies to continue. They are not prepared to let these disappear. They see this as their right. Why, they say, should an energy rich country not provide almost free energy for its subjects?
What does a country do when it enters a period of crisis? It calls the consulting firm McKinsey. :twisted: That is precisely what Saudi Arabia did. McKinsey sent its crack analysts to the Kingdom. They returned—in December 2015—with Saudi Arabia Without Oil: The Investment and Productivity Transformation. This report could have been written without a site visit. It carries all the clichés of neo-liberalism: transform the economy from a government-led to a market-led one, cut subsidies and transfer payments, and sell government assets to finance the transition. There is not one hint of the peculiar political economy and cultural context of Saudi Arabia. The report calls for a cut in Saudi Arabia’s public-sector employment and a cut in its three million low-wage foreign workers. But the entire political economy of Saudi Arabia and the culture of its Saudi subjects are reliant upon state employment for the subjects and low-wage subservience from the guest workers. To change these two pillars calls into question the survival of the monarchy. A Saudi Arabia without oil, McKinsey should have honestly said, is a Saudi Arabia without a monarchy.

What would the McKinsey transformation produce? “A productivity-led transformation,” wrote the eager analysts, “could enable Saudi Arabia to again double its [Gross Domestic Product] and create as many as six million new Saudi jobs by 2030.”

The King’s son, Mohammed Bin Salman (MbS), took McKinsey at its word. He then copied and pasted the report in his own Saudi Vision 2030. Little of Prince MbS’s statement differs from the McKinsey proposal. The eagerness of the Prince shows his lack of experience. It is unlikely that he has read Naomi Klein’s The Shock Doctrine, a full-scale assault on the idea of economic transformation. Even more unlikely that he has read Duff McDonald’s The Firm, an evisceration of McKinsey’s smoke and mirrors model. To base an entire country’s future on a McKinsey report seems reckless. But then Prince MbS has a streak of recklessness in him. He led the Saudi war on Yemen – and that has not turned out well at all. The peace talks over that war being held in Kuwait remain stalled. Saudi Arabia made almost no gains in Yemen. Should the man who led Saudi Arabia into humiliating failure in Yemen now be in charge of its economic transformation?
Pertinent questions raised.
The enhanced Sovereign Wealth Fund will be used to develop new industrial sectors such as petrochemicals, manufacturing at the medium scale and finance as well as tourism. Foreigners will be allowed to own property in the Kingdom and entrepreneurial activity will be encouraged by the state. How does all this happen by 2020 – the date proposed by Prince MbS—or even by 2030—the name of the Prince’s plan? Will Saudi Arabia be able to rapidly transform its population from being satisfied with receipts of oil revenues to being workers in an insecure market environment? History suggests a long period of dissatisfaction amongst the public during this kind of enormous transition. Can the Saudi royal family manage the level of anger and humiliation that this change will evoke?
Where will this private investment come from? Perhaps from China, which has already signed a large ($2.48 billion) nuclear deal with Saudi Arabia. The kingdom is China’s largest oil supplier. China’s Sinopec, PetroChina and Yunnan Yuntianhua work closely with ARAMCO to build oil refineries in the kingdom and on the Chinese coastline. Chinese construction companies are building the Haramain railroad that will eventually link Mecca and Madina. China is the largest trading partner of Saudi Arabia. The Binladin group will mothball some of its cranes, but that does not mean that cranes will hang over the skyline of the kingdom. Chinese construction firms are prepared to build the new infrastructural base in Saudi Arabia. Washington, if it is paying attention, must see the drift of its old ally—either into social chaos or into the Chinese orbit. No other alternative exists.
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And the chicken are coming home to...

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/world/20 ... pa-agency/
Unknown gunmen shot and killed a Saudi policeman in the Mecca region, Saudi state news agency SPA reported on Friday, after four suspected terrorists died during a raid in the same area.

Corporal Khalaf al-Harithi was shot late on Thursday while on duty at a police station outside the holy city of Mecca, SPA reported, citing a local police spokesman.
Let the discontented masses of the Arab sands join in - this is a fight to find their true Caliph. 8)
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Palace coup in progress in Turkey. Sultan Erdogan's son in law will be the new PM, replacing the soft spoken Davotoglu. Erdogan is now consolidating powers to become a true Sultan and the pseudo-Islamic democracy is thrown to the dogs.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/m ... -travel-eu
A visa-free travel deal between the EU and Turkey was on the brink of collapse on Friday night, after Turkey’s president insisted he would not change his country’s anti-terrorism laws, a key condition of the agreement. “We’ll go our way, you go yours,” said Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.
The official line is that Davutoğlu’s departure changes nothing. “Agreements are negotiated with states and governments, not individuals,” Germany’s foreign minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, told Der Spiegel.

But behind the facade of public diplomacy, European leaders will be alarmed by reports that Turkey’s next prime minister will be recruited in Erdoğan’s image. Candidates tipped for the post include Berat Albayrak, the energy minister and Erdogan’s son-in-law.
Norbert Röttgen, chairman of the Bundestag’s foreign affairs committee, said Davutoğlu’s departure was “bad news for Europe … and also for Turkey”. One senior EU source recently described Erdoğan as “unpredictable”.
The liberals sickulars of EU still cannot fathom the Turkish Sultan's dreams and are willing to deal with him. Good Luck to them as the next wave of refugees hit the coast and more and more 'social integration' happen with the natives across the German cities. :P
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EU is purposely imposing tough conditions, since they very well know that post-refugee influx, there is not much support for visa free travel for Turkey in the local population.
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EU knows it will be suicide to let the islamist turkey into EU. Turkey is a gone case and will be soon turned into a dictatorship.
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Saudi Prince Urges American Voters To ‘Make The Right Choice’ On Donald Trump
The irony of a member of Saudi’s monarchy offering election advice wasn’t lost on Prince Turki.
WASHINGTON — Representatives of foreign allies tend to tiptoe around the issue of U.S. elections, hesitant to risk offending a candidate who may later be elected president. But the ascension of real estate mogul Donald Trump to the position of the presumptive Republican nominee has compelled some foreign officials to try to sway American voters away from backing the bombastic candidate.With carefully chosen words, Prince Turki al-Faisal, a former ambassador to the U.S., warned against a Trump presidency. “For the life of me, I cannot believe that a country like the United States can afford to have someone as president who simply says, ‘These people are not going to be allowed to come to the United States,’” Turki said on Thursday evening, referring to Trump’s proposal to ban Muslims from entering the country.
Along with Prince Bander (of 9-11 fame), this senior Saudi Prince is one of the very "few educated" who is comfortable with US cultural norms and Saudi official thinking ; no longer active in day to day politics,from time to time, he is resurrected from "cold storage" to deal with crisis-like situation; he was the one (unsuccessful ) designated to persuade the late Mullah Omar -( who told him on his face to take a hike! ) alongwith a Paki General to give up OBL to Saudi justice ! (before 9-11 happened ) ; so, Trump's possible win and his threat is another such situation.
“It’s up to you, it’s not up to me,” Turki continued, speaking at a Washington Institute For Near East Policy dinner hosted at the Mandarin Oriental hotel. “I just hope you, as American citizens, will make the right choice in November.”The former top Saudi intelligence chief is known for his close relationships with U.S. officials and his ability to charm an American audience, even as the United States grows more critical of the Gulf state’s dismal human rights record at home and high-casualty war in Yemen.
He may be "charming" like the other billionaire Saudi (Prince A. Waleed ), but when it comes to the crunch both of them are Wahabis to the core !
As a student in the 1960s, Prince Turki said he enjoyed “the spectacle” of American elections, which he described as “sometimes uplifting, other times the opposite.” Later on, as ambassador, he told U.S. lawmakers he should get a vote since American policies have such a direct impact on the kingdom.“When we have elections in Saudi Arabia, you can vote there too,” Prince Turki assured the crowd, a self-aware joke at his own country’s undemocratic monarchical system of governance. (Robert Satloff, the executive director of the Washington Institute and the moderator of the event suggested that if the prince enjoyed the “spectacle” of American elections so much, he should perhaps try them out in his own country.)
Small talk charm at work !
Former major general Yaakov Amidror, who served as national security advisor to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu until 2013, also referred to Trump at Thursday’s event. Amidror offered a more by-the-book response to the Trump question and simply expressed his hope that his government would “be clear immediately that we will work with any president which will be elected.”
The Israelis are also here to "look after their interest" in case of a Trump presidency !
hough neither Amidror nor Turki are currently serving as government officials, the presence of two high-level influential figures from countries that do not have diplomatic relations and typically keep intelligence and security cooperation relegated to behind-the-scenes discussions, was a rare event.
Both have similar views in connection with the recent US-Iran Nuclear Accord ("enemy of my enemy is my friend" )
The duo spoke before 400 political operatives, U.S. government officials, think tank representatives and diplomats.
raditionally divided over the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories, Saudi Arabia and Israel have a shared fear of an empowered Iran and an increasing level of distrust and contempt for President Barack Obama’s policies in their region. Both countries see him as a leader who has prioritized a nuclear agreement with Iran with a lack of reverence to longstanding allies.
Asked if he believed the U.S. is equally committed to guaranteeing regional stability in the Middle East as it was when it challenged Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait 25 years ago, Prince Turki was blunt in his response but diplomatic in his reasoning.“I don’t,” he said. The American people, he continued, “perhaps feel that too much used to be expected of them and that they should not be in that position where they’re obliged to undertake personal responsibilities that they used to do before.“That does not mean a divorce. On the contrary, it means a very mature relationship between adults.”
Before he traveled to Washington, Prince Turki said he saw people on Twitter speculating that the encounter between him and Amidror was a sign that the kingdom was readying to recognize Israel and the two countries would move toward normalized relations.“None of that is going to happen. It’s unfortunate but it’s true,” he said, insisting his country could not have diplomatic relations with Israel in the absence of a Palestinian state.“I’m afraid it’s not going to happen in my lifetime. My hope is that in my children’s lifetime and their grandchildren’s lifetime, we will have overcome these differences.”
Spoken like a true diplomat ! ( a person who tell lies for the sake of his country :mrgreen: ); diplomatic relations with Israel will never happen as long as Wahabi Islam is entrenched in Saudi !
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Obama just sent 200 US servicemen to Yemen to save the sorry backside of the Arab armies.

http://www.salon.com/2016/05/07/pentago ... saudi_war/

As we were discussing few days back, the war in Yemen has changed. The Houthis cannot be defeated but they don't really pose a threat to Riyadh or Abu Dhabi. AlQ and IS does. So the US servicemen needs to sacrifice their lives to protect the terrorist sponsors.

But even the US marine presence is not preventing targeted attacks on Yemeni officials. In the last 48 hours, an army colonel and the Head of Aden's prison were shot dead.

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/yemen/arm ... -1.1820931
A Yemeni army colonel was gunned down in Aden on Saturday in the latest in a spate of assassinations of senior officers that underlines the persistent insecurity in the city.
On Friday, the governor of Aden’s Mansoura prison was killed in a similar ride-by shooting.

Late last month, gunmen killed the city’s traffic police chief while Aden’s police chief escaped two assassination attempts in the space of a week, one of which killed four of his guards.
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/m ... its-future\
Mosul: suspicion and hostility cloud fight to recapture Iraqi city from Isis
The stakes are high, but a power struggle between the Iraqi army and the Kurdish Peshmerga is hampering the battle against Islamic State
Kurdish Peshmerga fighters search for Isis militants in Tel Asqof, northern Iraq.
‘Our friends can’t do this by themselves, and they know that,’ says one Peshmerga soldier of his Iraqi army colleagues. Photograph: Goran Tomasevic/Reuters
Martin Chulov in Makhmour, Iraq
Wednesday 11 May 2016

At the bottom of a hill near the frontline with Islamic State fighters, the Iraqi army had been digging in. Their white tents stood near the brown earth gouged by the armoured trucks that had carried them there – the closest point to Mosul they had reached before an assault on Iraq’s second largest city.

For a few days early last month, the offensive looked like it already might be under way. But that soon changed when the Iraqis, trained by US forces, were quickly ousted from al-Nasr, the first town they had seized. There were about 25 more small towns and villages, all occupied by Isis, between them and Mosul. And 60 miles to go.

Analysis Green zone protests raise questions over viability of Iraq's government
Demonstrations in Baghdad’s fortified green zone shows fragility of the state in face of sectarian divisions

Behind the Iraqis, the Kurdish peshmerga remained dug into positions near the city of Makhmour that had marked the frontline since not long after Mosul was seized in June 2014. The war had been theirs until the national army arrived. The new partnership is not going well.

On both sides, there is a belief that what happens on the road to Mosul will not only define the course of the war but also shape the future of Iraq. And, despite the high stakes, planning for how to take things from here is increasingly clouded by suspicion and enmity.

Two years after the Isis onslaught, the country remains crippled by ethnic and sectarian strife and political torpor, which have withered state control and pitched the Iraqi army in a power struggle with militias and the Kurds before it even faces off with Isis. The result has been a stalemate in the battle that matters most, with Iraq deeply wary that the largely autonomous Kurdish north will use its involvement to formalise a divorce from Baghdad – and the Kurds just as sceptical that Iraq’s military is up for the fight.

“There is no such thing as Iraq any more,”
said Capt Shawqat of the Kurdish peshmerga, behind sandbags about a mile away from the Iraqi lines. “There never was, but now it is clear to everyone. Even to the Americans up in the hills.”

Next to him, another Kurdish officer, Lt Col Srud Barzinji, looked through his binoculars at the Iraqi troops. “Look at them,” he said. “Every military training course tells us that you must have at least 500 metres of open land between yourself and your enemy. They are at the bottom of a hill, just below them. They have no element of surprise.”

Until mid-March Iraqi forces had stayed away, their most loyal units retrained by the US in Anbar province before being sent back to Makhmour. “When they attacked al-Nasr, the Americans were firing artillery from the mountain [about 30 miles behind],” said Barzinji. “They were very precise shells, guided in by cameras, and they still couldn’t take it. They fled after a few hours.”

The Makhmour frontline stretches over 75 miles to the south-east of Mosul, and is seen by military leaders on all sides as the best way to reach Iraq’s second largest city, which is still thought to be home to up to 600,000 people. The towns and villages in between have all been seized by Isis – a mixture of homegrown militants and fighters from abroad. Isis banners fly from phone towers or other high points in each village, and the jihadis are proving hard to oust.

Many captured Isis members had been carrying weapons they had seized from the Iraqi military when 80,000 to 100,000 of its soldiers and officers fled two years ago, surrendering the area to the terror group.

A female Peshmerga fighter near the frontline of the fight against Isis in Nawaran near Mosul. Photograph: Ahmed Jadallah/Reuters
“We don’t see them during the day,” said another Peshmerga soldier, of the Isis members confronting both sides. “Even when they mortar us, it is hard to know where they come from. They move around at night: they have dug tunnels, and they have laid bombs. All around us were bombs when we came into this village. It will be like this all the way to Mosul. Our friends can’t do this by themselves, and they know that,” he said, referring to the Iraqi army.

“The difference is, we believe in what we are fighting for. We believe in this cause. We have principles and we have values. We will not stop until we get this done.”

Iraqi forces did advance on Monday, retaking the village of Kabarouk in the Makhmour area, the first success since being pushed back from al-Nasr. Up to 300 villagers walked out of the village towards Kurdish forces where they were sent to a holding centre.

“The ones we think are Isis, we will send straight to Irbil,” said Barzinji, as he stood surrounded by refugees from elsewhere in Iraq last week. “Most of them, like these people, were caught up in it. But we need to check them out.”

Out of the crowd emerged two young men in their early 20s. “I’ll tell you what it is like in there,” said one 22-year old-who had walked to Makhmour from near Mosul. “It is so confused. My father is in Isis. He joined them because he has three wives and he could not afford to pay for them all,” the man said, adding that his father had joined the terror group to benefit from the stipend it pays its members. “It was financial for him, but it made our life hell.”

A second man, Issam, 22, said his brother had joined the terror group and had tried to recruit him. “I said no and he did not force me, but he became ideological. Communities are very tired. They are ruthless. If they catch you smoking once, they will warn you,” he said inhaling a cigarette. “If they catch you a second time, you get the leather,” he added, lifting his shirt to show faint scars.

Further along the frontline were villages that had been seized from Isis and were now being used as staging areas by Iraqi forces. Barzinji predicted the push for Mosul would not happen this year. “We are military officers and we don’t speak poorly of our colleagues. But look at what’s been achieved. And look at the job ahead.”

Additional reporting by Salem Rezk
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So every thing quiet in Yemen front?
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Iran declines to take part in hajj over dispute with Saudis
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran will not send pilgrims to Saudi Arabia this year for the annual hajj, an Iranian official said Thursday, the latest sign of tensions between the two Mideast powers after a disaster during the pilgrimage last year killed at least 2,426 people.Saudi Arabia blamed Iranian officials for the decision and suggested it was politically motivated to publicly pressure the kingdom.
Ali Jannati, Iran's minister of culture and Islamic guidance, said negotiations that took place over several months between Iran and Saudi Arabia were aimed at trying to "resolve the issue" of security during the hajj, but failed to make any headway."We did whatever we could but it was the Saudis who sabotaged" it, Jannati said in comments carried by the state-run IRNA news agency. "Now the time is lost."In a statement in the official Saudi Press Agency on Thursday evening, Saudi Arabia blamed Iran for the row and said the kingdom is honored to serve Muslims of all nationalities as guests at holy sites in Mecca and Medina, where pilgrims carry out religious rites and prayers during the hajj season, as well as year-round..
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:eek:
The US Navy is not a lot kinder to US Navy people, than the Iranians were. In fact the Iranians were kinder?
The U.S. Navy officer who oversaw the 10 sailors captured and briefly detained by Iran earlier this year has been relieved of his duties due to "loss of confidence" in his ability, the Navy announced Thursday.
Cmdr. Eric Rasch was fired from his job as the commanding officer of Coastal Riverine Squadron 3 and temporarily reassigned. These type of personnel actions typically result in the officer then retiring from active duty.

Rasch had recently taken command of the unit after serving as the No. 2 during January when the incident occurred.
Capt. Gary Leigh, the commander of the overall group, made the determination after a preliminary Navy investigation into the incident near Iran's Farsi Island in the Arabian Gulf over January 12 and 13.
CNN has not yet reached out to Rasch for comment.
Far from its home port in San Diego, the squadron's job in the Gulf was to provide maritime security and escort duty for other ships. The boat the 10 sailors were on was in routine transit at the time.
The results of the wider investigation into the incident have not been released by the Navy, but CNN previously reported that the crew of 10 sailors on two riverine boats made repeated mistakes that led them into Iranian territorial waters and to ultimately being captured.
John Kerry: Footage of sailors made me 'angry'

John Kerry: Footage of sailors made me 'angry' 02:25
Navy officials emphasized that other personnel, including the sailors involved, could still face discipline. Some other naval personnel have already received administrative discipline, essentially reprimands, but those types of actions are not made public. The full investigation is expected to be completed at the end of May.
Rasch has served as commanding officer since April 4 and the second in command from August 1, 2014 to April 3. In the latter capacity, he was responsible for the training and readiness of more than 400 sailors. He was promoted recently to the higher-ranking job before the results of the preliminary investigation were available.
Members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps naval units captured the sailors on January 12 when six of their armed vessels surrounded two U.S. Navy riverine boats.
The sailors were blindfolded and repeatedly separated and interrogated, Navy officials have told CNN.
According to the preliminary report, the sailors originally set out from Kuwait for Bahrain but quickly -- and unknowingly -- went off course and headed almost directly for Iran's Farsi Island in the middle of the Persian Gulf.
The report found that several factors may have contributed to the failure:
• The sailors had never made the trip before.
They had been up most of the night before conducting maintenance on one of the boats that had broken down.{Made by Chrysler, Ford, GM or Lockheed?}
• They had to "cannibalize" parts from a third boat in order to have two working vessels.
• They then experienced problems with their satellite communications gear. {OH! Same system used in the F-35 Net-Centric Warfare System, no doubt}
All of this led them to leaving port later than planned. {IOW the fault of ppl much higher up..}
In addition, they did not conduct a standard operational briefing for themselves prior to setting sail, during which they would have fully reviewed their route and navigation plan. {Because they were in a hurry because their Superior Aphsars were harassing them?}
The approved navigation path would have had them sail in international waters between the Iranian coastline and the eastern side of Farsi Island as they moved south toward Bahrain. Instead, they were significantly off course, sailing on the western side of the island.
RELATED: Iran gives medals to generals who detained U.S. sailors
The report also indicated that the sailors were not aware of Farsi Island's location. They instead believed a small Saudi island was the navigation feature they were supposed to be sailing around.
As the sailors unknowingly approached the Iranian island, they had already missed one scheduled check-in phone call with their command center, and the command center for some reason did not notice that the tracking equipment on board had them headed for Iranian waters. {Sitting around munching fat-burgers and watching TV no doubt..}
Once inside Iranian waters, the boat with the navigation problem broke down again and was then fixed. {Again, the superior quality of the PsOC that their Superior Aphsars bought for them..}
But the sailors were quickly surrounded by two initial IRGC boats and didn't immediately understand they were Iranian forces, according to the report. Four more IRGC boats quickly approached and encircled the Americans, blocking their escape path.
At this point, the U.S. personnel decided not to resist, seeing no way out of their situation.
The sailors were all put on one boat and ordered to their knees with their hands behind their heads. Video of that was seen around the world.
{And THAT's what got the Top Brass' undies in a knot. } :((
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Declassified documents detail 9/11 commission's inquiry into Saudi Arabia
Newly released files may show connections between low-level Saudi officials and a terrorist support network in southern California led to the 9/11 attacks
Investigators for the 9/11 commission would later describe the scene in Saudi Arabia as chilling.
They took seats in front of a former Saudi diplomat who, many on the commission’s staff believed, had been a ringleader of a Saudi government spy network inside the US that gave support to at least two of the 9/11 hijackers in California in the year before the 2001 attacks.
Saudi officials were 'supporting' 9/11 hijackers, commission member says
At first, the witness, 32-year-old Fahad al-Thumairy, dressed in traditional white robes and headdress, answered the questions calmly, his hands folded in front of him. But when the interrogation became confrontational, he began to squirm, literally, pushing himself back and forth in the chair, folding and unfolding his arms, as he was pressed about his ties to two Saudi hijackers who had lived in southern California before 9/11.
Even as he continued to deny any link to terrorists, Thumairy became angry and began to sputter when confronted with evidence of his 21 phone calls with another Saudi in the hijackers’ support network – a man Thumairy had once claimed to be a stranger. “It was so clear Thumairy was lying,” a commission staffer said later. “It was also so clear he was dangerous.”
An interrogation report prepared after the questioning of the Saudi diplomat in February 2004 is among the most tantalizing of a sheaf of newly declassified documents from the files of the staff of the 9/11 commission. The files, which were quietly released by the National Archives over the last 18 months and have drawn little public scrutiny until now, offer a detailed chronology of how the commission’s staff investigated allegations of Saudi government involvement in 9/11, including how the panel’s investigators flew to Saudi Arabia to go face-to-face with some of the Saudis believed to have been part of the hijackers’ support network on American soil.
There can be no doubt that the Saudi Embassy provided fiscal and ideological support to the hijackers.
Earlier this week, a Republican commissioner, former navy secretary John F Lehman, said there was clear evidence that Saudi government employees were part of a support network for the 9/11 hijackers – an allegation, congressional officials have confirmed, that is addressed in detail in the 28 pages.
“The 9/11 investigation was terminated before all the relevant leads were able to be investigated,” he said on Thursday. “I believe these leads should be vigorously pursued. I further believe that the relevant 28 pages from the congressional report should be released, redacting only the names of individuals and certain leads that have been proven false.”
Any American actions now against any Saudi nationals would be disastrous for the already strained relationship !
The files show that the commission’s investigators, which included veterans of the FBI, justice department, CIA and state department, confronted the Saudi witnesses in 2003 and 2004 with evidence and witness accounts that appeared to confirm their involvement with a network of other Saudi expatriates in southern California who provided shelter, food and other support to two of the 9/11 hijackers – Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar – in the year before the attacks. The two hijackers, both Saudis, were aboard American Airlines flight 77 when it crashed into the Pentagon.
According to the newly declassified interrogation reports, another key Saudi witness who appeared before the commission, Osama Basnan, a man described as “the informal mayor” of the Islamic community in San Diego before 9/11, was repeatedly caught in lies when asked about his relationship to Saudis in the support network. Basnan, who returned home to Saudi Arabia after coming under investigation after 9/11, had an “utter lack of credibility on virtually every material subject” in denying any role in a terrorist support network, the report said.
One of their aims of the Saudi Embassies everywhere, is to push their radical version of Malsi by providing financing support like donations, free Qurans etc
Although the 9/11 commission’s report drew no final conclusion about the roles of Basnan and Bayoumi, former US senator Bob Graham, the Florida Democrat who led the joint House-Senate intelligence committee that wrote the 28 pages, has said repeatedly over the years that he is convinced that both men were low-level Saudi government intelligence officers and that money from the embassy charity fund may well have ended up with the two hijackers. Graham has said he believes both Basnan and Bayoumi were Saudi government “spies” who had been dispatched to southern California to keep watch on dissidents in the area’s relatively large community of Saudi expatriates.
The report prepared after the interrogation of Bayoumi, who was paid a salary in San Diego by a Saudi aviation contractor but was unable to prove that he actually did any work for the company, documents his tense confrontation with the commission’s investigators during their visit to Saudi Arabia in October 2003, especially when he was presented with evidence of the “damning appearance of the circumstances surrounding” his ties to the two hijackers.

This is not surprising ; people who have worked in SA, know very well the Saudi "work ethic" or rather the Saudi " non work ethic" . Just recently there was a good write up of an American finding it difficult to train Saudi pilots as there basic education skills are almost nil !
The commission’s newly declassified files suggest that the commission staff considered the questioning of Thumairy to be the most important of the interrogations conducted in Saudi Arabia, since the young Saudi was not only an accredited diplomat and an imam of a large Saudi government-built mosque in southern California. He had also been posted to the US at the request of the Saudi Ministry of Islamic Affairs, long considered by American intelligence agencies to be supportive of Islamic extremist groups outside Saudi Arabia. In Los Angeles, he was known among fellow Saudis to hold fundamentalist views on Islam.
At the first of two sessions “Thumairy initially sat at the table with his hands folded in front of him”, the interrogation report said. “Over the course of the interview, his posture changed noticeably when the questions became more confrontational. During such instances, al-Thumairy would cross his arms, sit back in his chair and rely more heavily on the interpreter.”

They don't like to be questioned by infidels!!!
Pressed on whether he had led conversations about “jihad” at the mosque among Saudi worshippers, Thumairy confirmed there were discussions “but that it was only about ‘good’ jihad, not ‘bad’ jihad. He said this discussion was not only necessary, but that it was his responsibility to teach the Islamic community the difference between good and bad jihad, especially after 9/11”.
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The whole glaring flaw in the 9/11/2001 narrative is that they RUSHED to identify the 19 terrorists. Most particularly, the pilots. All the rest on board were presumed innocent.

I think they were dead wrong. The logic is very very simple.
Suppose you are the organizer of a scheme like that. There is meticulous preparation for years, involving $$MM, operations across several nations.... and the sure, sure, prospect of massive retaliation.

Yet the ENTIRE OPERATION hinged on the ability of 3 pilots - two to maneuver and hit a particular building in the New York skyline, flying at low enough altitude, and going at like 400 mph. At least one plane was actually maneuvering as it hit.

The third came skimming the parking lot at 400 mph with landing gear retracted, and held straight and level to hit the Pentagon.

WOULD YOU ENTRUST THESE TO A BUNCH OF YOYOS WHO CAN'T EVEN GET OUT OF BED RIGHT?

The 4th guy (USAIR) held his nerve to put the plane into a terminal dive when he found that the passengers were breaking into the cockpit.

Those pilots were military pilots. Super-trained and absolutely calm in their last moments to execute those maneuvers flawlessly.

Can you imagine SAUDI military pilots doing these? Look at Yemen.. :roll:

They had to be ******PAKIS.*****************
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IS keeps the scoreboard ticking.

First 13 soldiers killed in Mukalla on Thursday. And on Sunday, 25-40 police recruits sent packing in the same city.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-yemen ... SKCN0Y607F
suicide bomber killed at least 25 new recruits inside a police compound in the southern Yemeni city of Mukalla on Sunday in an attack claimed by Islamic State, medical and security sources said.

The victims were queuing up to register when the bomb, which wounded 25 others, went off, the sources said.

It was the second deadly blast in four days to hit the city, a hub for al Qaeda before the militant group was pushed out last month in an offensive by Yemeni troops backed by a Saudi-led coalition.

In a message on its online news agency Amaq, Islamic State said Sunday's attacker was a "martrydom-seeker" who had detonated his explosive belt. It said around 40 died in the attack.
As AlQ retreats under the US-Saudi joint attacks, IS fills the vacuum. And the war continues...
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UlanBatori wrote::eek:
The US Navy is not a lot kinder to US Navy people, than the Iranians were. In fact the Iranians were kinder?
The U.S. Navy officer who oversaw the 10 sailors captured and briefly detained by Iran earlier this year has been relieved of his duties due to "loss of confidence" in his ability, the Navy announced Thursday.
:((
Helloooooo! Calling TSJ... v need ur insights on this. Wasn't this a bit harsh? Was the guy also with this team? If not he was only one step above - how can it be that the Navy declares "No confidence" in him when he was considered good enough to promote in the period after the event?

Er..... doesn't this show that they mainly promote.... (never mind.)And given that the Admiral who oversaw this has been promoted many more times than this poor guy, how come they have "confidence" in him?

Sounds like the story of the girl who interviewed for the position of Asst To The Director..
Have u ever been in a Responsible Position?
Sure! :idea: Every time something went wrong in the office in my previous job, my Boss said I was Responsible!
:mrgreen:

This was **obviously** a case of
All Ahead, FULL!!
But but but SSSir..
Don't be givin' me no excuses! A Schedule is a Schedule!
**WHY** Did the Com Center folks sitting in some airconditioned harem not see that they were waay off course? Who was "responsible" for that state of "affairs"?
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it is evident that you do not understand how the US Naval service works...

1. is top brass embarrassed?

2. is the miscreant in charge of the cluster f**k a ring bearer (US Naval Academy graduate)?

3. any extenuating circumstances? (nephew of a congress critter)

if 1. is yes, 2. is no and 3. is no then......bye....bye....and adios you sad sack of......

thus worketh the US Naval tradition......

Marines are even more brutal...so far one colonel relieved of duty in Iraq and two Generals canned in Afghanistan.
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The question is how many were not canned? There is little transparency in any bureaucracy-least of all in militaries. If you think police can get away with murder.....
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I guess they have strong bench strength in the top ranks. even very senior carrier captains have been sacked like on uss enterprise after she failed an inspection in japan, and numerous DDG captains. a marine general was relieved in OIF for "loss of confidence" by his senior officer.

in general I would say they keep a very low tolerance for visible failure.
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In this case the problems are much deeper.
1) Bad problem of quality control in their equipment - but is that the sailor's fault, or that of the people doing the procurement who order that this cra* is what they must use?
2) Control/command center screwed up BIG-Time: Mission in progress, how can they not see that the boats are way off course?
Unless the guy being made a scapegoat was a total oiseule.

Something tells me he was the only decent guy around.
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something amiss in training also? low experience in crew?
what about the senior NCO's?
sailing is not as easy as some think and getting lost is not difficult
but equipment and training make up for those risks
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India's Modi to visit Iran, seeking to boost trade
India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi will visit Iran this week, seeking to boost trade with the oil-rich country after international sanctions were lifted this year, it was announced Tuesday.Iran was India's second largest supplier of crude oil until 2011/12, when sanctions forced New Delhi to reduce its dependence on the Gulf state.The Ministry of External Affairs said Modi would meet President Hassan Rouhani during a two-day visit starting Saturday.The visit will allow the two countries to "expand bilateral cooperation and mutually benefit from new opportunities in the wake of lifting of secondary sanctions against Iran earlier this year," it said.Earlier this year India approved a $150 million project to develop the Iranian port of Chabahar, which will provide a transit route to resource-rich Afghanistan that bypasses neighbouring Pakistan.Analyst Manoj Joshi said it would also give India access to the wider region including Russia, with which it recently signed a string of energy deals.India imports 80 percent of its oil and its energy needs are growing."With this visit one can expect new opportunities for India's private sector in manufacturing, possible long-term deals for gas imports, energy access and exploration, security and strategic connectivity partnership for access to Central Asia," said Joshi, a senior fellow with the Observer Research Foundation think-tank.
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http://www.dailysabah.com/op-ed/2016/05 ... iddle-east
( West doing the reshaping,Resheeping ME again)
As a Middle Easterner and descendant of the Ottoman Empire, I have heard of Bell's notoriety since my childhood and have read some biographical works on her life since then. If you do not know her real life story, you would little learn from this film. I do not claim that movies are sources of knowledge, but they are expected to at least give a glimpse of reality. Bell was fairly fluent in Persian, Arabic, French and German to the extent that "The Hafez Poems of Gertrude Bell" was an excellent translation with the original Persian on the facing page with her introduction on the life and works of Hafez. She was a gifted scholar that had authored some of the best travel writing, cartography and ethnography books. It would not be surprising that such a talented personality would be employed by the British colonial administration. She was quick to distinguish the Arabs, Kurds, Druze, and Shiite communities in the region and her advice to trust the Sunni Arabs in shaping the modern Middle East as an expansion of the British mandate was well-taken.
It is hard to draw a conclusion from the film that Bell was the person behind all the current problems in the Middle East, who delineated the borders with her ruler and pencil. She appears in the movie as if she did not have anything to do with dividing and conquering Ottoman lands with her friendship with the Arabs and knowledge of tribes. In fact, she was not any different from other British personnel in the region in terms of their overt orientalism in justifying their own position of superiority and influence, so much so that she remarked in one of her white papers: "The Oriental is like a very old child. ... He is not practical in our acceptance of the word, any more than a child is practical, and his utility is not ours." It might not be her personal decision to incite rebellions by the "vociferous minority" in the Bilad al-Sham against the Turkish victories at the Dardanelles or the Kut al-Amara siege, as she had lost her second love at the Gallipoli campaign, but it retrospectively seems like a retaliation of the British on the Ottomans. A century ago these orientalists accused the Ottoman Empire of irrational despotism that neglected and discouraged the delegation of power and contemporary orientalists are still trying to do the same by encouraging local ethnic and sectarian divides to rebel against the state authorities. This time not under the supervision of Britain only but a whole bunch of Western powers' modern "Major Bells" are trying to map the region according to their own benefit by supporting and encouraging some of the local tribes to establish their own states, but making sure that they are weak and feeble enough to follow the rules of their Western masters. This time they are wiser in realizing their objectives of divide and conquer through proxy wars and new neo-colonialism.
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Re: West Asia News and Discussions (YEMEN, gulf)

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India and Oman sign four key defence agreements
New Delhi: India and Oman on Sunday vowed to deepen bilateral defence ties as the two countries signed four key agreements in the critical sector with focus on enhancing military cooperation.The agreements on defence cooperation, marine crime prevention, maritime issues and flight safety information exchange was signed following the maiden visit of Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar to Oman, considered one of the closest country in the middle east. Parrikar, who is on an official visit at the invitation of Bader Bin Saud Bin Harib Al Busaidi, Minister Responsible for Defense Affairs of Oman, on Sunday wrapped up his visit and left for UAE.During his talks with the leadership there, all aspects of bilateral defence cooperation including enhanced military to military exchanges were discussed. Both sides also exchanged views on regional developments of mutual interest, a statement by the Defence Ministry said.Both sides noted that defence cooperation is a key facet of their bilateral strategic partnership. It was agreed that the two sides would further expand and consolidate their ongoing bilateral defence cooperation, the statement said.Parrikar reiterated the high importance that India attaches to its strategic partnership with Oman and also conveyed his appreciation at the continued support rendered by Oman for the Operational Turnaround (OTR) of Indian Navy ships for anti-piracy patrols as well as technical support for landing and overflight of IAF planes.He visited the Military Technology College and the Sultan's Armed Forces Museum in Muscat. He also attended a reception at Sultan Qaboos Port to mark the goodwill visit to Oman of naval ships INS Delhi, INS Deepak and INS Tarkash.
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British-made cluster bomb found in Yemeni village targeted by Saudi-led coalition. It appears to have been dropped by British made tornado's and presumably british military personnel are not far behind

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 42626.html
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A British-manufactured cluster bomb has been found in a Yemeni village, all but confirming the banned weapons are being used by Saudi-led coalition forces in the Yemeni civil war.

The BL-755 cluster bomb is designed to be dropped by UK-manufactured Tornado jets used by the Saudi Arabian Air Force, though the highly controversial weapons were banned in conflict decades ago.

Amnesty International discovered the unexploded munition during an inspection of a village in northern Yemen. The weapon, originally manufactured in the 1970s by a Bedfordshire company called Hunting Engineering, contains 147 ‘bomblets’ which scatter across a wide area, but often do not detonate until they are disturbed at later date, often by unsuspecting civilians picking them up. One man, who herds goats in a village in Hajjah governorate approximately six miles from the Saudi Arabia border, told Amnesty: “In the area next to us, there are bombs hanging off the trees.”
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“Cluster bombs are one of the nastiest weapons in the history of warfare, rightly banned by more than 100 countries, so it’s truly shocking that a British cluster munition has been dropped on a civilian area in Yemen,” he said.

"Given that this type of cluster bomb is very likely to have been used in combination with Tornado war planes which the UK has also sold to Saudi Arabia, there’s even a possibility that British support personnel might have been involved in the cluster bombing of Yemen. This would be an absolute scandal if confirmed.”
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