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Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby AbhiJ » 13 Jun 2016 05:12

Link to last page of previous thread

The following links are background material on Pakistan.

UNDERSTANDING PAKISTAN:

Jinnah's Pakistan: An Interview with MA Jinnah, and how the Pakistan of Yesterday is the Pakistan of Today
http://iref.homestead.com/Messiah.html

http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/012809Tellis.pdf

The above is the testimony of Ashley Tellis on Jan 28th 2009, to the US Senate Homeland Security Committee on LeT's global role. It is a good articulation of LeT's past and future trends.

Know Your Pakistan
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/archives/ ... /Shiv.html

The Monkey Trap: A synopsis of Indo-Pak relations
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/archives/ ... ayyam.html

PAKISTAN-FAILED STATE: an ebook that owes its origin and existence to BRF.
http://pakistanfailedstate.blogspot.in/

Whither Pakistan ? Growing Instability and Implications for India: an IDSA e-Book, July 2010
http://idsa.in/book/WhitherPakistan

A landmark article that demolishes myths built up about Pakistan
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers8/paper710.html

Pak's Continuing War against Indian Civilisation - Tufail Ahmad, Director South Asia Project, MEMRI
http://www.newindianexpress.com/columns ... 949359.ece

Pakistani Role in Terrorism Against the U.S.A
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... yanan.html

Pakistani Education, or how Pakistan became what it is: Curricula and textbooks in Pakistan
http://www.sdpi.org/publications/public ... 6-34.html#

Making Enemies, Creating Conflict: Pakistan's Crises of State and Society. A book written by Pakistanis on Pakistan.
http://members.tripod.com/~no_nukes_sa/Contents.html

Should Pakistan Be Broken Up? by Gul Agha
http://pakistan70.tripod.com/gul.html

A modest proposal from the Brigadier:

https://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/2002/03/landesman.htm

"We should fire at them and take out a few of their cities—Delhi, Bombay, Calcutta," he said. "They should fire back and take Karachi and Lahore. Kill off a hundred or two hundred million people......."


Alden Pyle in Pakistan, Part I
http://pundita.blogspot.com/2009/12/ald ... art-1.html

Prof. Walter Russell Mead, "Pakistan's Failed National Strategy"
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/ ... -strategy/

"Pakistan Is", by Barry Bearak in New York Times Magazine, December 7, 2003.
Brings out succinctly various facets of Pakistani perfidy, obsession, fundamentalism etc.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... nted=print

Religion as the Foundation of a Nation: The Making and Unmaking of Pakistan - P.K. Upadhyay, IDSA
It probes the religious and sectarian fault-lines in Pakistan in depth to determine their impact on the future of Pakistan.
http://idsa.in/system/files/monograph36.pdf

Ms. Christine Fair's exposition on Pakistan military, society et al. A Must see.
Fighting to the End: Pakistan Army's Way of War

False Equivalency in the "Indo-Pakistan" Dispute - Ms. C. Fair, War on the Rocks, June, 2015

Shia-killing in Pakistan: Background and Predictions - A blog by Omar Ali


PAKISTAN and GENOCIDE:

Image Scan of article on 1971 East Pakistan Genocide by Antony Mascarenhas, Former Asst. Editor, Morning News, Karachi in Sunday Times, London, June 13, 1971

Text scan of the above article on 1971 Genocide

Bangladesh Genocide Archive

Ethnic cleansing in Pakistan - a statistical analysis
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/I ... idhar.html

A chronicle of genocide by the Pakistan army
http://www.gendercide.org/case_bangladesh.html

Documentary video evidence of Pakistani genocide in Bangladesh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x-94U1bVUQ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EBKlIUbpc ... re=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sMg9Ly9nK0g
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xwwPbkyZV ... re=related

List of military arms supplied by US to Pakistan since 9/11
http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/15/54/62/79/pakist10.jpg

PAKISTAN & TERRORISM:

The Ideologies of South Asian Jihadi Groups (Laskar-e-Taiba)
By Hussein Haqqani (journalist and Pak ambassador to US)
http://www.futureofmuslimworld.com/rese ... detail.asp

Lashkar-e-Taiba: Past Operations and Future Prospects, Stephen Tankel, April 2011
New America Foundation
http://newamerica.net/sites/newamerica. ... _LeT_0.pdf


Pakistani sponsoring of Terrorism
http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/
http://pak-terror.freeservers.com/Terro ... y_Tool.htm

Terror Map: The Pakistani Hand
http://sify.com/news/specials/terrormap/?vsv=TopHP1

Inside Jihad - How Pakistan sponsors terrorists in India
http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/ ... r_sb1.html

Pakistan's Role in the Kashmir Insurgency - Op-ed by Rand's Peter Chalk
http://www.rand.org/hot/op-eds/090101JIR.html

Alden Pyle in Pakistan, Part II
http://pundita.blogspot.com/2009/12/ald ... -upon.html

BEYOND MADRASAS: ASSESSING THE LINKS BETWEEN EDUCATION AND MILITANCY IN PAKISTAN
http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/ ... nthrop.pdf

Pakistani Military Officers' Links with Jihadist Organizations
http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/5587.htm

Putting Our Children in Line of Fire - The Nation, January 27, 2013
The above is an admission by Pakistan Army's Top General that it was the Pakistani Army at Kargil, not the mujahideen, and Musharraf was the Culprit

Debate between a Taliban Scholar and a Paki Army Officer


PAKISTAN and NUCLEAR PROLIFERATION:

Pakistani nuclear scientist's accounts tell of Chinese proliferation - R. Jeffrey Smith and Joby Warrick, Washington Post, Nov 13, 2009

PAKISTAN TODAY:

On the Frontier of Apocalypse: Christopher Hitchens seminal article on Pakistan today
http://newsstuff.0catch.com/article5.htm

http://meaindia.nic.in/bestoftheweb/2002/10/14bow2.htm

A Slender Reed in Pakistan - Editorial in the Christian Science Monitor
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1229/p08s03-comv.html

Seymour Hersh Interview
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_hersh.html

Pakistan's Nuclear Crimes (Wash. Post editorial)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy ... 2-2004Feb4

http://www.indiadefence.com/LOA07Aug04.htm

The Battle for Pakistan: Militancy and Conflict in Pakistan's Tribal Regions
http://counterterrorism.newamerica.net/ ... r_pakistan

BOOK REVIEW Fulcrum of Evil: ISI-CIA-Al Qaeda Nexus
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpap ... r1844.html

Article from Vinni Capelli - Foreign Policy Research Institute:
Containing Pakistan: Engaging the Raja-Mandala in South-Central Asia
http://www.fpri.org/orbis/5101/cappelli ... kistan.pdf

The videos are from this documentary: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/taliban/

A bomb at all cost By Ahmad Faruqui - a candid admission of the wars that Pakistan started against India.

Popular support for suicide bombings in pakistan.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 008_pg12_1
Survey by university students in karachi say 50% of respondents support suicide bombings in kashmir.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OWsmJIwe9Q4
"Descent into Chaos"
UC Berkeley Conversations with History, host Harry Kreisler talking with Pakistani Journalist Ahmed Rashid. 59 minutes 120 MB. It sums up Pakistan and lays bare all Pakistan's terrorist support and proliferation activities. **Note - he wants the US to solve Pakistan's Kashmir problem.

Pakistan on the brink: Video Link (must download)

MISCELLANEOUS

UNSC Resolutions on Kashmir

Gilgit Rebellion: The Major Who Mutinied Over Partition of India
A book on the events by Maj. William Brown, the mutineer himself.

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto telling Bangladeshis to "Go to Hell": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dsxfyxa ... re=related

IDSA's weekly summary of Pak Urdu Press:

http://www.idsa.in/pup


Christine Fair :Ten fictions that pakistani defense officials love to peddle

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Five installment series by Kapil Komireddi published in Frum Forum

Part I. Nov 16, 2009. “Pakistan In Crisis”.

Part II. Nov 18. 2009. “Pakistan: Origins of A Failed State”.

Part III. Nov 18, 2009. “Pakistan: It Could Not Succeed Unless India Failed”.

Part IV. Dec 06, 2009. “Pakistan: A Mecca for Radical Islam”.

Part V. Dec. 07, 2009. “Pakistan’s Army: Building a Nation for Jihad

A perceptive blog on Pakistan: http://pak-watch.blogspot.com/

Declassified documents from US National Archives on Pakistan:

http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/pakistan/pakistan.htm
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Admission of state sponsored terrorism by Pakistani authorities


see this Der Spigel Interview where Musharraf admits to that.

On 7th Nov in TimesNow Channel, Tasneem Noorani, a former Secretary of the Pakistani Interior Ministry, openly said that.

Kiyani called the Haqqanis as strategic assets.

In Dec. 2008, President Zardari himself admitted to ISI helping LeT. He said,"The links between the Inter-Services Intelligence Agency and the LeT were developed in the old days when dictators used to run the country. After the 9/11 terror attacks in the US, things have changed to a great extent"

In an address to bureaucrats in July 2009, President Zardari said: "Militants and extremists were deliberately created and nurtured as a policy to achieve some short-term tactical objectives. Let us be truthful to ourselves and make a candid admission of the realities. The terrorists of today were the heroes of yesteryears until 9/11 occurred and they began to haunt us as well"

In Nov. 2009, Prime Minister Gilani admitted to the support for terrorism by Musharraf as "running with the hares and hunting with the hounds".

When Bush warned the Pakistanis in August 2008 of their support to Al Qaeda, Afrasiab Khattak, President of Awami National Party (ANP) said this: "The question is why it has taken the Americans so long to see what the ISI is doing. We’ve been telling them for years but they wouldn’t buy it.". See here.

In an interview to the BBC as far back as on Feb. 13, 1994, Benazir Bhutto admitted how she handed over to Rajiv Gandhi the complete list of Sikh activists colluding with the ISI in terrorism in the Punjab. Later, Nawaz Sharif described this interview as a faux pas.

Apart from these, of course, numerous Pakistani commentators, analysts, and editors have openly admitted to terror as a state policy.

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Why Did Pakistan's Spy Chief Make a Secret Trip to China?
Quote:
Pasha's China trip has been interpreted by some as a tacit act of defiance—a reminder to his American counterparts that the Pakistanis can always look east to their “all-weather” friend across the Himalayas rather than bend the knee to the will of the U.S.

But it also may be a sign of China's growing disquiet with Pakistan. Another top-ranking Pakistani military officer, Lt. Gen Wahid Arshad, had already conducted a considerable tour of China just weeks ago in a bid to improve ties. A few analysts have suggested that Pasha's trip — couched in vague terms about building a “broad-based strategic dialogue” — may have been less a visit and more of a summons.



Chinese officials claimed the attacks in Kashgar were authored by the shadowy East Turkestan Islamic Movement, a jihadist organization of mostly ethnic Uighurs, a Turkic Muslim minority that comprises the majority in the far-western Chinese region of Xinjiang. China routinely invokes the specter of the terrorist threat when cracking down on dissent in the restive region. Yet disturbances there tend to be triggered more often by social discontent — many Uighurs chafe at state policies they deem discriminatory and marginalizing — than militant connivance. Pasha's presence in Beijing may mark Beijing's continued efforts to root out Uighur dissidents and sympathizers beyond China's borders, as it has already done in Kazakhstan.


Youtube video: Bilatakalluf with Tahif Gora: Tarek Fateh dissects with Pakjabi society and shows how its war-impotent Army loots the common Pakistani (Jan 13, 2012)

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Postby shiv » 13 Jun 2016 05:13

sum 1 please add the first post data thx
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Postby AbhiJ » 13 Jun 2016 05:42

Posting in full - apparently son of an Afghan who was anti-Paki to the core.

The Afghan-born father of Omar Mateen, the man police identified as the gunman who killed 50 people at a packed gay nightclub in Florida on Sunday, is a fringe political commentator who rails against Pakistan and Afghan President Ashraf Ghani.

Seddique Mateen, who public records indicate is the father of Omar Mateen, had an occasional television show on a U.S.-based Afghan satellite channel for about three years, and has continued to post political commentaries on his Facebook page as recently as Sunday.

Omar Khatab, the owner of the California-based satellite channel Payam-e-Afghan, said in an interview that Seddique Mateen occasionally bought time on his channel to broadcast a show called "Durand Jirga," which focused in part on the disputed Durand Line, the frontier between Afghanistan and Pakistan demarcated by the Indian subcontinent's former British rulers.

In an interview with NBC News on Sunday, Seddique Mateen, also known as Mir Siddique, said his son's rampage had "nothing to do with religion." <<Cry me a river Mr. Taqiyyah.>>

He described an incident in downtown Miami in which his son, U.S.-born Omar Mateen, 29, of Florida, saw two men kissing in front of his wife and child and became very angry.

"We are saying we are apologizing for the whole incident," NBC News quoted Seddique Mateen as saying. "We weren't aware of any action he is taking. We are in shock like the whole country."

Seddique Mateen lives in Florida, according to public records, but it was not immediately known when he came to the United States. ???? He did not return messages left on his phone, which appeared to be turned off, or respond to an email.

Khatab said Seddique Mateen would show up at his studio in Canoga Park, California, "three or four times a year" to tape his shows.

"He'd talk for about two to three hours," Khatab said in a phone interview. "He'd buy his own time and come here and broadcast and leave within a day."

CRITICAL OF PAKISTAN'S ISI

Khatab said Seddique Mateen's political views were largely anti-Pakistan. A YouTube channel under Mateen's name had more than 100 videos posted between 2012 and 2015.

One of the videos refers to the "killer ISI" - the acronym for Pakistan's main military-run intelligence service - and says the agency is the "creator and father of the world's terrorism."

U.S. officials have accused Pakistani intelligence of backing violence against U.S. targets in Afghanistan, although Pakistan denies the allegations.

U.S. officials cautioned that they had no immediate evidence of any direct connection between the Florida attack and Islamic State or other foreign extremist group, nor had they uncovered any contacts between Omar Mateen and any such group.

Fifty-three people were wounded in the rampage. It was the deadliest single U.S. mass shooting incident, eclipsing the 2007 massacre of 32 people at Virginia Tech university.

Seddique Mateen interviewed Afghan President Ashraf Ghani in January 2014, according to a video posted on his YouTube channel. The interview touched on economic development and youth unemployment in Afghanistan. Khatab said Mateen conducted the interview in Kabul and brought it to California for broadcast.

During the interview Mateen praised Ghani but by the following year had changed his views, apparently angered by Ghani's outreach to Pakistan in his bid to start peace talks with the Taliban. In a 2015 video, Mateen declared his own candidacy for the Afghan presidency, even though there was no election at that time.

In the videos, he wears a Western suit and tie and speaks Dari, a dialect of Persian spoken in northern Afghanistan. He harshly criticizes Ghani's policies both at home and abroad and lashes out at Pakistan, its intelligence service, former Afghan President Hamid Karzai, and some senior Afghan government officials and jihadist figures.

In a February video on his Facebook page, he addresses Taliban members and castigates them for being the "servants" of the ISI.

In a June 11 video posted on Facebook, Mateen is dressed in military fatigues and says Afghanistan must "punish the traitors."

"I wish a hero one day removes Ashraf Ghani's turban and slaps this crazy man," he said in the video. "This traitor has rolled up his sleeves to destroy our country."

On Twitter, Ghani condemned the Orlando attack and called it an "act of terror.

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Postby Anujan » 13 Jun 2016 09:39

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1121507/arm ... um=twitter

Tension at Torkham border between Pakistan and Afghan forces has intensified. The firing from Afghan forces is taking place with short pauses along with shelling.

According to Express News, Pakistani security forces are retaliating to the attack with equal force. The attack from Afghan forces has left nine Pakistani civilian injured.

After the attack Pakistan has imposed a curfew in the area of Landi Kotal. All the vehicles crossing the border have been stopped near Takhta Baig check post.

Earlier on Sunday night Afghan forces opened fire at the Torkham border crossing, injuring a soldier, Pakistan Army said.


Basically Pakis are turning the screws on Afghans. They are now demanding proper papers to cross over to Pakistan. On top of it, they have tried to shut down shops run by Afghan refugees. Now they are building up gates/checkpoints etc in Torkham. I think it is a retaliation for Afghanistan's "inflexibility" in power sharing deal with Taliban.

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Postby abhishek_sharma » 13 Jun 2016 15:08

Amrullah Saleh
‏@AmrullahSaleh2
The Orlando mass murderer presents himself as a proud Paksani from Islamabad on his facebook.His hate godfather has seemingly been Pakstn.

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Postby Peregrine » 13 Jun 2016 15:08

Anujan wrote:http://tribune.com.pk/story/1121507/army-soldier-injured-firing-torkham-border/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Tension at Torkham border between Pakistan and Afghan forces has intensified. The firing from Afghan forces is taking place with short pauses along with shelling.

According to Express News, Pakistani security forces are retaliating to the attack with equal force. The attack from Afghan forces has left nine Pakistani civilian injured.

After the attack Pakistan has imposed a curfew in the area of Landi Kotal. All the vehicles crossing the border have been stopped near Takhta Baig check post.

Earlier on Sunday night Afghan forces opened fire at the Torkham border crossing, injuring a soldier, Pakistan Army said.

Basically Pakis are turning the screws on Afghans. They are now demanding proper papers to cross over to Pakistan. On top of it, they have tried to shut down shops run by Afghan refugees. Now they are building up gates/checkpoints etc in Torkham. I think it is a retaliation for Afghanistan's "inflexibility" in power sharing deal with Taliban.

Anujan Ji :

In My Humble Opinion India must now build an impregnable (as best as possible) Border Wall-Fence-Ditch etc. on the Indo-Pak and Indo-BDesh Borders and have an extremely "Stringent" Visa Regime i.e. even more severe than the USA-Russia-UK-China and any other nation's Visa regime to ensure that there is minimum entry by the Cwapistani or BDeshis into India.

The days of being Lenient with Two Nationalities and Long Buried in the Sands of Terrorism.

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Postby Falijee » 13 Jun 2016 16:06

Pakistan’s General Problem
by Mohammad Hanif

Old Article But Still Relevant !
How Pakistan’s Generals turned the country into an international jihadi tourist resort
What is the last thing you say to your best general when ordering him into a do-or-die mission? A prayer maybe, if you are religiously inclined. A short lecture, underlining the importance of the mission...
On the night of 5 July 1977 as Operation Fair Play, meant to topple Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto’s elected government, was about to commence, then Army Chief General Zia ul Haq took aside his right-hand man and Corps Commander of 10th Corps Lieutenant General Faiz Ali Chishti and whispered to him: “Murshid, marwa na daina.” (Guru, don’t get us killed.)
General Zia was indulging in two of his favourite pastimes:
spreading his paranoia amongst those around him and sucking up to a junior officer he needed to do his dirty work. General Zia had a talent for that; he could make his juniors feel as if they were indispensable to the running of this world. And he could make his seniors feel like proper gods, as Bhutto found out to his cost.

He was also "very good" in practicing this "art" in front of foreign journalists and foreign leaders !
Thirty-four years on, Pakistan is a society divided at many levels. There are those who insist on tracing our history to a certain September day in 2001, and there are those who insist that this country came into being the day the first Muslim landed on the Subcontinent. There are laptop jihadis, liberal fascist and fair-weather revolutionaries. There are Balochi freedom fighters up in the mountains and bullet-riddled bodies of young political activists in obscure Baloch towns. And, of course, there are the members of civil society with a permanent glow around their faces from all the candle-light vigils. All these factions (but not the Fauj !)may not agree on anything but there is consensus on one point: General Zia’s coup was a bad idea.
And yet, somehow, without ever publicly owning up to it, the Army has continued Zia’s mission. Successive Army commanders, despite their access to vast libraries and regular strategic reviews, have never actually acknowledged that the multinational, multicultural jihadi project they started during the Zia era was a mistake. Late Dr Eqbal Ahmed, the Pakistani teacher and activist, once said that the Pakistan Army is brilliant at collecting information but its ability to analyse this information is non-existent.
(tactical "brilliance", strategic blunder ?)
Looking back at the Zia years, the Pakistan Army seems like one of those mythical monsters that chops off its own head but then grows an identical one and continues on the only course it knows. :mrgreen:
In 1999, two days after the Pakistan Army embarked on its Kargil misadventure, Lieutenant General Mahmud Ahmed gave a ‘crisp and to the point’ briefing to a group of senior Army and Air Force officers. Air Commodore Kaiser Tufail, who attended the meeting, later wrote that they were told that it was nothing more than a defensive manoeuvre and the Indian Air Force will not get involved at any stage. “Come October, we shall walk into Siachen—to mop up the dead bodies of hundreds of Indians left hungry, out in the cold,” General Mahmud told the meeting.
The architect of this mission, the daring General Pervez Musharraf, who didn’t bother to consult his colleagues before ordering his soldiers to their slaughter, doesn’t even have the wits to face a sessions court judge in Pakistan, let alone a court martial. The only people he feels comfortable with are his Facebook friends and that too from the safety of his London apartment. During the whole episode, the nation was told that it wasn’t the regular army that was fighting in Kargil; it was the mujahideen. But those who received their loved ones’ flag-draped coffins had sent their sons and brothers to serve in a professional army, not a freelance lashkar.
While Sindhis and Balochis have mostly composed songs of rebellion, Punjabi popular culture has often lionised its karnails and jarnails and even an odd dholsipahi. The Pakistan Army, throughout its history, has refused to take advice from politicians as well as thinking professionals from its own ranks. It has never listened to historians and sometimes ignored even the esteemed religious scholars it frequently uses to whip up public sentiments for its dirty wars. But the biggest strategic mistake it has made is that it has not even taken advice from the late Madam Noor Jehan, one of the Army’s most ardent fans in Pakistan’s history. You can probably ignore Dr Eqbal Ahmed’s advice and survive in this country but you ignore Madam at your own peril.

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Postby SSridhar » 13 Jun 2016 18:27

Falijee wrote:Pakistan’s General Problem
by Mohammad Hanif
Successive Army commanders, despite their access to vast libraries and regular strategic reviews, have never actually acknowledged that the multinational, multicultural jihadi project they started during the Zia era was a mistake.

Why should they? Did Jinnah regret the divisive politics he thrust on Indians which led to the death of millions in Partition & pre-Partition violence or to the largest migration and the consequent misery with families being uprooted and divided on either side, with thousands of women being raped etc? Did he ever think that it was all a grave mistake though there is an unsubstantiated reference to "what have I done" or his supposed admission of 'a mistake' to Liaquat Ali Khan, again unverified. In any case, he remained defiant to the end and created even more problems by trying to grab J&K through jihadi terrorists and then regular forces. He truly set the precedence for the Nazariya of Pakistan, didn't he? He predicted that every successive government in Pakistan would be worse than its predecessor and that came true. He should take the blame for founding a degenerated and deranged artificial construct calling itself Pakistan. Zia et al came much later and by that time Pakistan had already been far advanced into a spiralling, irreversible and frightful decline.

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India focus of our foreign policy: Sartaj Aziz - PTI
India has always been the “axis” of Pakistan’s foreign policy and for that very reason, it became a “security state,” the country’s top diplomat said on Monday.

“India has always been the axis of Pakistan’s foreign policy,” Adviser to the Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz said.

‘For the past 60 years’


“To face India with determination for the past 60 years, based on our principles is an important achievement,” he said.

“For that very reason, our country became a security state,” he said while briefing the Senate Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs in the parliament house here.

Uses the K-word

Mr. Aziz told members of the committee that India was a country seven times larger than Pakistan, yet relations between both have remained bad ever since the start due to the issue of Kashmir, the News International reported. He also said after the 9/11 terror attacks, Muslims were attacked and the sparks flew from Afghanistan into Pakistan.

Separately, Foreign Secretary Aizaz Ahmed Chaudhry told the same committee that no compromise will be made on nuclear programme, according to Radio Pakistan.


Terrorism the major issue

Mr. Chaudhry said Pakistan would not allow its soil to be used against any other country.

He said terrorism was the major issue for Pakistan and over 5,000 Pakistani soldiers have been killed in the war on terror.

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Postby Falijee » 13 Jun 2016 18:55

SSridhar wrote:India focus of our foreign policy: Sartaj Aziz - PTI
India has always been the “axis” of Pakistan’s foreign policy and for that very reason, it became a “security state,” the country’s top diplomat said on Monday.


SS-ji:
As far as I can recall, the word "security state" has always been "reserved" for PAKISTAN, in international political literature, so this senile advisor is obviously talking BS !!!

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Postby Falijee » 13 Jun 2016 19:17

Curfew imposed in Torkham as tensions mount on Pak-Afghan border
LANDIKOTAL (Web Desk) – A curfew has been imposed in Torkham after tensions between Afghanistan and Pakistan intensified Sunday night, a local news channel reported on Monday.
According to an Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) statement, Afghan forces opened fire at the Torkham border last night, killing two FC personnel and two khasadar officials, and injuring six locals. The injured were shifted to Landikotal DHQ Hospital.
“Pakistani security forces responded to the Afghan firing effectively,” the statement from the Inter-Service Public Relations said.

he firing incident occurred days after Pakistan introduced a new mechanism along the border that requires every Afghan to carry travel documents for entering Pakistan.
“In order to check movement of terrorists through Torkham, Pakistan is constructing a gate on its own side of the border as a necessity to check unwanted and illegal movement,” General Asim Bajwa, director general of ISPR, said in a Facebook post.
No Afghan Govt, even the Taliban have recognized the artificial border, known as the Durand Line!; secondly, when it suits their purpose, the Pakistanis gave false papers to Afghans such as Mullah Omar, and more recently Mullah Mansour, who was droned to death by the US and was found to be in possession of a fake Green Passport !
On the other hand, Afghan Chief Executive Dr Abdullah Abdullah said both the countries have agreed to observe a ceasefire along the Torkham border and solve the dispute through diplomatic means.
“We have agreed on a ceasefire with Pakistan and hope this problem will be resolved through diplomatic efforts,” Tolo TV quoted Dr Abdullah as telling the Afghan council of ministers.
He confirmed that one border soldier had been killed and six others wounded in clashes against Pakistan last night, adding that Pakistan also incurred casualties.

“Pakistan wanted to build new installations and the Afghan Border Forces didn’t allow it. In response, Pakistan opened fire on Afghan Forces,” Abdullah said.

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Postby Peregrine » 13 Jun 2016 19:23

SSridhar Ji :

The low down lying through his nose Cwapistani overaged git must try to get sympathy from one, two, three or may be all four of his fathers. Indian Area is 1,269,300 Sq. Miles whereas Cwapistani Area is 310,400 i.e. India is 4.09 Times in size compared to Cwapistan which is practically Four Times.

Cwapistan becoming a Security State is Jinnah’s “Dying” Gift (he was dying of TB but had instructed his Personal Physician to keep this information to himself) by way of “Ordering the Invasion of the Indian State of Jammu & Kashmir” thus embroiling Cwapistan into an eternal – if not longer – conflict with India.

Let us see how long Cwapistan exists with a Defence Capability which is One Third to Half as much as compared to India whereas its Economy is ONE-TENTH of the Indian Economy.

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Postby Lisa » 13 Jun 2016 21:13

http://www.huffingtonpost.in/chirayu-th ... 58514.html

3 Reasons Why Pak's Growing Nuclear Arsenal Is Not Giving India Sleepless Nights

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Postby Falijee » 14 Jun 2016 00:08

Jaamat -E- Islami- Urdu -Paki Newspaper Glorifies ISIS "Lone Wolf" Responsible For Terrorist Attack In Orlando :roll:

Translation : Afghan Youngster Roasted 50 American !

Doubt that the Pakistan "Media Control" Authorities will take any action on this provoking headline !

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Postby Falijee » 14 Jun 2016 00:14

Father of Orlando shooter anti-Pakistan, Taliban sympathiser

Pakistani preparing in advance for the inevitable blowback from Massa ? :twisted:
Most likely he must be proponent of Pashtunistan (just like the Taliban ! who do not recognize the Durand Line ) :mrgreen:

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Postby Peregrine » 14 Jun 2016 01:51

Our vanishing Hindus

Since the educational reforms a decade ago, everyone hears about the first president of the Constituent Assembly and the first law and labour minister of Pakistan, Jogendra Nath Mandal. Mandal’s existence is always taken as the critical proof that Pakistan was conceived as a pluralistic state and his patronage by the Quaid-e-Azam himself lends his figure credibility. However, very rarely do people ask: what actually happened to him, especially since he abruptly falls off the radar after that inaugural lauded mention.

Before we come to Mandal’s departure, let me give some statistics: at the time of the establishment of Pakistan, the non-Muslim population of West Pakistan was about 24.6 per cent, while non-Muslims formed about 30 per cent of East Bengal and Sylhet. When the assemblies for Pakistan were set up, 18 members of the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan were non-Muslim, out of a total of 69, meaning about 26 per cent. Even in the West Punjab assembly after Partition, around 10 members [10 per cent] were non-Muslims. Hence, when Pakistan was established not only were non-Muslims in substantial numbers, they were also reasonably well represented in the assemblies too. However, very soon conditions changed and the non-Muslim percentage decreased to less than five per cent in West Pakistan. And if conditions do not change, even this percentage will disappear.

Mandal survived in Pakistan till October 1950 and then moved to India. He left sorely disappointed and forlorn since he had been working with the Muslim League sine 1943, and had developed a good working relationship with the party. However, as soon as Pakistan was established, cracks began to appear. The very first issue was that of the inclusion of scheduled caste members in the cabinet of East Bengal. As argued by Mandal in his letter and verified by other sources, the cabinet of first Sir Khawaja Nizamuddin and then Nurul Amin kept delaying the appointment of a scheduled caste member to the provincial cabinet even after several pleas from the central minister, leaving Mandal feeling that his “outspokenness, vigilance and sincere efforts to safeguard the interests of the minorities of Pakistan, in general, and of the Scheduled Caste, in particular, were considered a matter of annoyance to the East Bengal Government”.

Mandal then narrated several incidents of attacks on Hindus in East Bengal which culminated in the riots in Dhaka itself in February 1950 where arson, loot and murder against Hindus were the order of the day. This incident led to an exodus of Hindus to India which even the Delhi Pact on minorities could not stem, he narrated. Noting how Hindus were being treated he wrote: “The boycott by the Muslims of Hindu lawyers, medical practitioners, shopkeepers, traders and merchants has compelled Hindus to migrate to West Bengal in search of their means of livelihood. Wholesale requisition of Hindu houses even without following the due process of law in many and non-payment of any rent whatsoever to the owners have compelled them to seek for Indian shelter. Payments of rent to Hindu landlords was stopped long before.” All these reasons, and more, led Mandal to conclude that the condition of Hindus in Pakistan was “not only unsatisfactory but absolutely hopeless and that the future completely dark and dismal”.

Mandal wrote his ominous letter in October 1950 and then left for India, leaving behind the minorities perhaps at God’s mercy. Most of the atrocities against Hindus that Mandal noted continue in even stronger form today. Every year, nearly 1,000 non-Muslim girls are abducted and forced to convert to Islam, non-Muslims are routinely discriminated against in jobs, and people do not even like to eat or drink with them. Only the other day an octogenarian Hindu man was beaten up in a village in Sindh for eating during Ramazan, even when for Muslims at his age and health, fasting is not prescribed.

For most people in Punjab, Hindus especially, are a breed they read about in books, since hardly any remain in the province, but in Sindh, Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan, we still find sizeable pockets of Hindus. Either we wake up soon and protect their rights or very soon they will vanish from the country, through forced conversions, rioting, or simply by moving to India, where now a special provision is being made for them due to their large numbers. It has been nearly 70 years since Partition, but it seems like we do not want to move on from it just yet.

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Postby A_Gupta » 14 Jun 2016 01:58

http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/no-more- ... ad-1418572
No More American F-16s For Pakistan, Will Fly Jordanian Jets Instead
Islamabad: Pakistan has closed the chapter of acquiring eight F-16s from the US and will now opt for Jordan-owned F-16 fighter jets, foreign secretary Aizaz Chaudhry said today amid strains in bilateral ties over the scuttling of the deal and a US drone strike on its soil.

Mr Chaudhry, briefing the Senate Standing Committee on Defence and Foreign Policy, said "the US seemed to be satisfied with Pakistan's decision."

"The chapter of receiving F-16 fighter jets from the US has been closed. Pakistan will now opt for Jordan-owned F-16 fighter jets," he said.

Mr Choudhry said one of the reasons for "strained relations with the US was Pakistan's close ties with China."

"Pakistan cannot cooperate with the US on some issues. One of these issues is its sovereignty," he said.

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Postby ramana » 14 Jun 2016 02:11

Rumor mills have it that Nawaz will be promoting all the service chiefs and make Raheel Badmash the capo de capo.
Only other after Ayub Khan.

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Postby Falijee » 14 Jun 2016 02:37

ramana wrote:Rumor mills have it that Nawaz will be promoting all the service chiefs and make Raheel Badmash the capo de capo.
Only other after Ayub Khan.


Ramana-ji:
Per Wikipedia Bad Sharif meets both requirements for a Field Marshall title !

- Extraordinary military success ( Zarb- e -Arb fits the example where the Paki Army is following a scorch earth policy !)
- possession of a Baton (the "famous between the legs" "danda" of Raheel Sharif shown in various ISPR fotu :mrgreen: )

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Postby sudhan » 14 Jun 2016 02:38

'Marshal'law!!!

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Postby Muppalla » 14 Jun 2016 02:44

Falijee wrote:Father of Orlando shooter anti-Pakistan, Taliban sympathiser

Pakistani preparing in advance for the inevitable blowback from Massa ? :twisted:
Most likely he must be proponent of Pashtunistan (just like the Taliban ! who do not recognize the Durand Line ) :mrgreen:


But but - see this link with an image to his past FB profile:

https://www.facebook.com/comradedaud/po ... 4929135193

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Postby Falijee » 14 Jun 2016 03:28

General Raheel Sharif, the next Field Marshal?

Farticle/ Article Supporting Rumours Regarding Raheel ! Is 2 months old, but still applies!!!

General Raheel Sharif, the next Field Marshal?
Islamabad: Apart from the immense public demand,(specially after the Panama Leaks ) there is increasing talk in the capital’s political circles that Chief of Army Staff General Raheel Sharif may be promoted to the rank of Field Marshal. The Army Chief is set to retire on November 30 this year after completing three years in office. In January this year, General Raheel Sharif out to rest growing speculations about an extension in his tenure through a brief, but sudden statement announced that the will not seek an extension in his tenure, ( but will not be shy of 'accepting' the second FM !)I don’t believe in extension and will retire on the due date.’
However, many see the role of General Raheel Sharif, who is regarded as the most powerful and popular man in Pakistan as vital in the country’s on going war against terror. The success of the on going Operation Zarb-e-Azb and the improved security situation in the city of Karachi, which had once become the crime capital of the country, is also attributed to the efforts of General Raheel Sharif. :((
President of Pakistan, Field Marshal General Muhammad Ayub Khan to date remains the only Field Marshal in the history of Pakistan Army. It is generally noted and agreed by all sources that Ayub Khan was a ‘self-appointed’ Field Marshal.(but due to propaganda and strict press censorship was a "taboo" subject :mrgreen: )
General Raheel Sharif will become the country’s first Field Marshal appointed by the government (Ganja Sharif, to save his "own neck" may well do that . And Raheel will also be the Chief Honcho responsible for the security of the so-called game-changing Corridor !)

Speaking of the South Asian region, in Sri Lanka, Field Marshal Sarath Fonseka became the first Field Marshal of the country. Fonseka was promoted to the position on 22 March 2015 as recognition of his extraordinary contribution to Sri Lanka’s war victory over Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam as the army commander.

This farticle conveniently ignored Maneckshaw (promoted FM ) who was singularly responsible for his military successes against the Paki Army. Mentioning him may hurt Paki Enchendee !
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Postby ramana » 14 Jun 2016 03:31

Mushy must be kicking himself like a mule for not thinking of promoting himself to this rank!

Same with General Do Nothing Kiyani

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Postby Falijee » 14 Jun 2016 03:54

Pakistan Reaches A "New Low" For Discrimination Against Minorities

Mob beats up “untouchable” Christian ice-cream seller in Kasur for selling to Muslims

ISLAMABAD (Web Desk) – Pakistan Peoples Party’s (PPP) vice-president Sherry Rehman condemned the federal and Punjab governments for failing to take action against a mob that beat up a Christian ice-cream vendor.
According to details, the mob tortured a Christian Ice-cream vender in Kasur on charges of selling ‘unclean merchandise to Muslim children’.
She termed the incident as unacceptable and atrocious.
She urged the government to quickly devise a strategy to avert the recurrence of such hate crimes.(It was no different when her party was in power at Federal level ! political scoring points !)
“While realising that we all have a long way to go in building equality competence,” Rehman said, “Pakistan cannot continue to tolerate continual religious persecution of its minorities. They are not second-class citizens and should not be treated as such.”
The mob had beaten Khaleel Masih, for selling ice cream to children in Kasur.
The mob leaders also called Christians ‘untouchables’ and claimed that they should not be allowed to sell edibles to Muslims.
The PPP senator said that minority persecution was on the rise everywhere in Pakistan, in part because many incidents were simply ignored.
"Halal Ice-cream " can be sold only by Muslims :roll:

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Postby Falijee » 14 Jun 2016 04:05

Pakistan deserves NSG membership more than India: Sartaj Aziz :roll:
ISLAMABAD (News Desk) – Expressing confidence that Pakistan would be included in the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), the Prime Minister’s Special Adviser on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz has said that if New Delhi secures entry into the NSG, Pakistan will also not be left behind as the latter has stronger credentials for the membership.
The "senile fart" speaketh again !
In an interview with Dawn News, Aziz said the 48-nation club should define a uniform criteria to welcome the states who have not signed the non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).“If they agree on such a uniform criteria, then Pakistan has stronger credentials for NSG membership than India,” he went on to say, while responding a question.
To another query, he said that Pakistan’ application for NSG membership was prepared some three months ago, however the plan was to follow Indian application.
The = = "formula" to be strictly followed !
Pakistan has a long history of safeguarding its nuclear assets, while India has abused its capability for a number of time since its first nuclear test in 1974, he added.“Once nuclear fissile material was stolen from India, however no such incident even took place in the case of Pakistan,” Sartaj Aziz maintained.
Is he smoking something different today (Charsadda Charas ?) :mrgreen:

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Postby Falijee » 14 Jun 2016 04:22

S.(enile) Aziz Cautions India Against Increasing Friendship With U.S. :roll:
Indo-US Relations: India does not know US friendship is not blessing
ISLAMABAD: Expressing his concerns over growing Indo-US ties, PM Advisor on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz said that India has gotten US attention presenting its services against Muslims and China.
He said in Senate Standing Committee meeting that Muslims have been attacked after 9/11 incident and Pakistan was also affected due to US intervention in Afghanistan after that Pakistan had become security state.
(before 9-11 Pakistan was a "normal " state! )
Taking advantage of this terrorism, India first presented its services to US against Muslims then tried to get US attention supporting it against China, Sartaj Aziz added stating that we have seen the results of enhanced close ties with US and now its time for India to face the outcomes with its friendship with US as India does not know that US friendship is not blessing.

This 80+ year old advisor has a peechdee from Harvard ! And yet he does not understand the difference between "permanent friendship" and "permanent interest" in international relations and diplomacy !
Rejecting the impression that Pakistan is facing disappointment in foreign policy, he made it clear that Pakistan is not in diplomatic isolation at international level as Pakistan is growing friendly ties with all countries. :mrgreen:

He better be prepared from the blowback from Massa following the Orlando mass killings! Though not directly involved, Pakis will definitely feel the heat as the incubators/ ground zero of terrorism !

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Postby SSridhar » 14 Jun 2016 05:19

Is Nawaz willingly giving that title to Raheel or is it being extracted from him?

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Postby Kashi » 14 Jun 2016 05:21

^^ The "timesofisloo" seems to be a rag in the mould of "the daily mail" and "the times of bombay" of the yore that were ghost written by ISI/Chooha combo under fictitious names such as "Christina Palmer". Personally, I would refrain from posting links to such rags here without background checks.

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Postby SSridhar » 14 Jun 2016 05:32

Falijee wrote:General Raheel Sharif, the next Field Marshal?
However, many see the role of General Raheel Sharif, who is regarded as the most powerful and popular man in Pakistan as vital in the country’s on going war against terror. [/color]

Such epithets were used freely for every Army General & ISI Chief. Kayani was said to have restored the Army's pride after Musharraf's rule. He was praised as a General's General! When Nadeem Taj was fired as ISI chief under combined American & Chinese displeasure, Shuja Pasha was spoken of in glowing terms too!!

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Postby Kashi » 14 Jun 2016 07:13

An excellent article in Swarajya on Paki wet dreams over Gwadar and CPEC

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China-Pak Economic Corridor: Why Gwadar Is An Overrated Port

Having served in the Merchant Navy before joining the IAS, I can claim to have visited almost all the ports in the Persian Gulf, specially the oil terminals. At the height of Iran-Iraq conflict, we were picking up crude from Kharg, an Iranian island in the upper reaches of the Gulf, which is its major oil export point, just as Ras Tanura is for Saudi Arabia. So I claim an expertise in the area of analysing ports, specially from the point of view of logistics, and through my present calling, I can also now lay claim to understanding a bit of the strategic compass.

With that caveat, let us have a closer look at the frenzy which has gripped Pakistan. CPEC (China-Pakistan Economic Corridor) to them, is the panacea for all their economic ills and Gwadar is the best port in the world.

The frenzy is such that a even a reasonably sober twitter handle, @karachipost, came up with this:

"After Gwadar and Chahbahar ports become functional the port of #Dubai will become a lot less relevant, somethings that the Arabs understand"

Similarly, I read a piece today in The Diplomat by Muhammad Daim Fazil giving five ridiculous reasons for the supposed superiority of Gwadar over Chabahar.

Let’s find a framework for this. What are the qualities a port needs to become a great one?

As per the Gwadar port website, it has 3 berths at present with a plan to add 3 more (a multipurpose, a grain, and an oil berth). Its projected draught is 12.5 metres with which it claims it will be able to handle 50,000 DWT (Dead Weight Tonnes, which denotes carrying capacity) vessels.

Chabahar has 10 berths already, and is expanding to include a deep water berth which would be able to handle VLCCs (Very Large Crude Carriers) of 22 m draught or more.

Let’s look at some of the other ports. Mumbai port has 26 cargo/container berths and 6 POL/chemical berths; Karachi has 12; Nhava Sheva has more than 10, and Dubai (Jebel Ali and Port Rashid), which Gwadar is supposed to be threatening commercially, has 102 berths, with VLCC POL supply terminals as well.

So we can quite clearly see that logistically, Gwadar is just a little dot.

Let’s now see the hinterland that the two ports would serve. Gwadar can have cargo headed for either Xinjiang, or for Pakistan’s internal consumption. The back of the beyond location of this port means that for a private business to switch from Karachi to Gwadar, comparable stevedoring and clearing agencies would be required along with a reliable rail link. That’s not happening any time soon. Even if the infrastructure is complete, the soft support system in a hostile terrain would remain hobbled for a long tie to come.

Comparison with Chabahar is not even warranted, as Chabahar is coming up as a transit port for all of Central Asia and Afghanistan. Muhammad Daim Fazil posits it as a port for India to access Afghanistan and Central Asia through Afghanistan. Only if he had looked at maps.

The route to Central Asia from Chabahar doesn’t have to go through Afghanistan at all. Moreover, it gives India an alternative route to Russia and the republics to its east, as well as to the 5 ex-Soviet nations. After Ukraine became independent, Odessa has come to be used less and less. Crossing the Suez has its own costs. So, the Iranian north-south corridor would be very useful for India and most south-east Asian countries. As a post on Quora said (Joseph Boyle):

“Gwadar is simply unlikely to ever be profitable. It means going an unnecessarily long, long way over the world’s highest mountains and through rebels to get to nothing - after all that you’re still separated by water. If you look at a globe and great circle routes instead of the deceptive Mercator projection, you see a direct, low, feasible route between China and the Middle East is going directly through Central Asia to Iran. Turkmenistan already has pipelines selling large volumes of gas to China, and is right next to Iran.”

Joseph Boyle on Quora

Singapore PSA found Gwadar unviable in the long run and left. China stepped in not because it found Gwadar viable, but because it looked at Pakistan as a client state and it was sure it would make Pakistan dance to its tunes. China does not even have much of a use for operating this kind of port because it is already operating a ten times larger terminal in Fujairah, UAE, just across the Gulf of Oman. China will use it only to exercise its hegemony over its willing client state.

I do not foresee a gas or oil pipeline from Gwadar to Xinjiang as a part of the CPEC, at least not yet. China is concentrating on pipelines from Kazakhastan. Its principal silk route runs via Urumqi-Kashgar-Almaty-Tashkent-Ashkabad-Tehran. From Ashkabad, Chabahar is directly connected.

So, Chabahar connects everybody to everybody. That’s the reason Iran offered a connectivity to Pakistan as well, which I am sure Pakistan would find offensive. Gwadar by comparison is just a provincial port for Pakistan over high mountains which even China would not find viable.

Another oft-repeated argument in favour of the CPEC is that it is a good strategy by China to bye-pass the Malacca choke. This makes no sense either, as China’s consumption areas lie nearly 6,000 kilometres to the east from Kashgar, the northern point of CPEC. In the event of a war, both China and Pakistan would do well to remember that Malacca straits at its narrowest choke point below Car Nicobar is 200 km wide, but the CPEC is just 75 kms away from north Kashmir - well within the range of BVR missiles, Prithvis and Brahmos. Gwadar lies directly in the line of Indian Navy, and would be the second one to be blockaded - After Karachi that is.

China would definitely factor that in its strategic calculations. The CPEC infrastructure is passing through a territory which legally belongs to India, and it would be easy for India to blockade Gwadar.

Now, let’s discuss CPEC’s economic calculations. China plans to put in $46 billion over 10 years. $34 billion would build up a power capacity of around 17,000 MW (though I have also heard figures of 7 and 10K MWs). The agreements are not on the table (so much for transparency). We don’t know whether there is any element of a grant involved. From whatever sketchy information is available, it looks like a combination of loans for road and rail infra, and power plants to be built by the Chinese for which Pakistan has given a sovereign guarantee to buy all the power produced at a fantastic rate of PKR 18 per unit (INR equivalent 11.53). Even the power plants which are going to be all thermal variety are going to be put up at a minimum of $2 billion per GW (1 GW=1000 MW).

India routinely builds its thermal power plants at less than $ 1 billion per GW. The average rate per unit on the India power trading exchange has been INR 2.50 for over a year. Bangladesh is buying 1100 MW from India at INR 6 per unit. This is a classical colony-making exercise by China, which Pakistan establishment and the Army is quite excited with.

So, it looks to me as if the CPEC is purely a marketing exercise by China to rip off some good money from Pakistan for its thermal power companies which have to dismantle their old plants in the mainland to meet the emission norms agreed to by China at the Paris meet. It gives an excuse to the Pakistan Army to rip off more money from the exchequer in the name of providing security and strengthening its occupation of Balochistan. It has got an 11 percent raise in its budget in a year in which GDP grew by 4.7 percent (actually 3.1% if independent verifiable statistics are to be believed).

India need not even discuss this. The CPEC route passes through a treacherous terrain prone to landslides. All India needs to do is to target its missiles on N35 of Pakistan, otherwise better known as the Karakoram Highway.

So my advice to my Pakistani friends is - please don’t parade the CPEC and Gwadar to the world. It’s not your salvation, it’s your cross.

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Postby SSridhar » 14 Jun 2016 08:05

We have to realize that China-Pakistan economic activity is a cover for their political, military and strategic collusion. KKH was never to bring the two countries economically together. Gwadar was an elaborate ruse to offer a naval base to China. So are the nuclear power plants that China has grandfathered.

The scenario for China, in spite of its huge economic clout, is looking similar to the 60s. Great leap, Cultural Revolution and Communism had isolated China from the rest of the world, even from its ideological mentor, the USSR. Pakistan was the only ally and KKH was a kind of pressure-reliever from claustrophobia. China had always been worried about being confined & constricted. Pakistan was the only country to which Chinese commercial planes could fly. Today, in one sense, the situation is the same. Pakistan is the only ally for China (save, of course, North Korea. Even Laos & Cambodia cannot be relied upon). All other Asian countries are worried about Chinese aggression and hegemony. Informal alliance is thawing. In fact, Modi even talked about a formal security architecture in Asia. OBOR & MSR are all fine but all countries are nervous including smaller ones like Sri Lanka, Maldives etc which have already keeled over under Chinese debts and heavy interest rates.

CPEC will be similar to, but bigger than, KKH, Gwadar, Nuclear Proliferation etc. but what benefits did Pakistan get from those three that it would derive from CPEC too? Nothing.

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Postby RCase » 14 Jun 2016 08:11

A_Gupta wrote:http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/no-more-american-f-16s-for-pakistan-will-fly-jordanian-jets-instead-1418572
No More American F-16s For Pakistan, Will Fly Jordanian Jets Instead


Hmm... whither the bombast for 'buying' Russian Su-35s or the Chinese J-20?

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Postby Kashi » 14 Jun 2016 08:19

SSridhar wrote:We have to realize that China-Pakistan economic activity is a cover for their political, military and strategic collusion. KKH was never to bring the two countries economically together. Gwadar was an elaborate ruse to offer a naval base to China. So are the nuclear power plants that China has grandfathered.


"..Especially against India", I would like to add. As Sanjay Dixit has clearly articulated, the geography alone renders KKH and CPEC to be far less viable economically than the Urumqi-Kashgar-Almaty-Tashkent-Ashkabad-Tehran route, as far as China is concerned.

Much like the British colonists "built roads and railways" in India, using our own money and at exorbitant costs (often twice as much, as ST pointed out in his speech at the British Lard club), the Chinese are doing the same in Pakistan. The Chinese are imposing obscenely high costs for power, roads and utilities that are either "refurbished" or untested (thermal and nuke plants); the saga of Chinese locomotives purchased by PR is well known. All this backed up by "sovereign guarantees". Moreover, they'll bring in their own labour and keep the Bakis away from all but the most menial activities, so there is little likelihood of transfer of know how to the Baki workers.

Paki civvies and military are only too happy with that. The costs do not come out of their pockets, the aawam will be "encouraged" (read forced) to bear the costs and eat grass for eternity, while the fauji and hukmaraan continue to enrich themselves.

Chinese are there in PoK, they are there in Gwadar but will they really put boots on the ground in the region between? That'll be conveniently left to Baki forces, paid for by CSF and the grass-eating aawam.

RCase wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/no-more-american-f-16s-for-pakistan-will-fly-jordanian-jets-instead-1418572
No More American F-16s For Pakistan, Will Fly Jordanian Jets Instead


Hmm... whither the bombast for 'buying' Russian Su-35s or the Chinese J-20?


Didn't BAF "purchase" 13 F-16s from Jordan in 2014? Is this going to be a separate deal or a the same old one?

How many can Jordan spare for their ummah biraathers? They barely have 41 for themselves.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2

Postby Falijee » 14 Jun 2016 15:21

Stories About Pakistan's Increasing International Isolation Are Indeed True !
Viewpoint: India's nuclear lobbying and an increasingly isolated Pakistan
By Ahmed Rashid

India's American-backed bid to join the prestigious Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) has once again isolated Pakistan in South Asia.
Pakistan is increasingly finding itself friendless in the region as Iran, Afghanistan and India all find fault with Pakistan's inability to end terrorism on its soil and in particular to bring the Afghan Taliban to the table for peace talks, as Islamabad promised to do nearly two years ago.
The 48-nation NSG, which sets global rules for international trade in nuclear energy technology, has become the latest diplomatic battleground between India and Pakistan. It is due to hold a crucial meeting this month. The Pakistani military is angry that after Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's recent trip to Washington, the US has been furiously lobbying all member countries to give India a seat at the NSG table.
The (pie in the sky ) = = formula is not going to work in international fora !
Pakistan then asked for the same, but its proliferation record is not as good as India's and it clearly would not succeed. Instead, it has asked China to veto the Indian bid which it is likely to do. However, smaller countries are angry with the US, who they accuse of browbeating them, and complain that neither India nor Pakistan can become members until they sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty (NPT) which is an essential requirement.
There is a lot of heartburn in Isloo these days !
At the same time the US has shown in several dramatic steps that it is deeply unsatisfied with Pakistan's efforts to stop the Afghan Taliban operating out of Pakistan. Last month it used a drone in Balochistan province to kill Mullah Akthar Mansour, the Taliban leader, which led to Pakistan accusing the US of violating its sovereignty.
The US then publicly accused Pakistan of not doing enough to stop the Taliban and the Haqqani militant group - and in a clear signal of support to the beleaguered Afghan government, President Obama has allowed remaining US forces in Afghanistan to fight alongside Afghan forces.
Now Pakistan is involved in border clashes with "brotherly Afghanistan" too !
Finally, during Mr Modi's trip the US publicly condemned those extremist groups operating out of Pakistani Punjab and Kashmir whose activities Islamabad has not stopped. In what was seen as a clear snub and a signal of defiance to the US and India, the military allowed Hafiz Saeed, the leader of Lashkar-e-Taiba who is wanted for the Mumbai bombings in 2008, to lead prayers last Friday in Islamabad.
Pakistan striking a defiant posture - matter of Enchendee!
The military's fear is that it believes the US is withdrawing from South Asia and will leave behind its rival India as the regional policeman - something it cannot tolerate. The military has already accused Iran and Afghanistan of hosting Indian spies which are working to undermine Pakistan and in particular sabotage the One Road One Belt route and transportation network that China has promised to build from the Gulf port of Gwadar to China.
Nations like individuals are also subject to Paranoia :mrgreen:
Pakistan's relations with Afghanistan are as bad they have been for years, and not much better with Iran. After waiting for more than a year Afghan President Ashraf Ghani has now washed his hands of trying to persuade Pakistan to get the Taliban to hold talks with Kabul. His frustration has clearly been supported now by the Americans.
Like his predecessor (Karzai), Ghani also gave "benefit of the doubt" to Pakistan, but he too was taken for a ride !
China remains Pakistan's closest ally but China, too, is becoming frustrated. It plans to build a $45bn transportation and energy link up to its grand Silk Route project through Central Asia, but it wants the military to use its political influence to first end the Taliban-led war in Afghanistan and the insurgency in Balochistan province.The chronic state of Pakistan's foreign policy has affected domestic politics. Part of the problem is that there is little input from the civilian government of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif or the foreign ministry or parliament into making policy - that has become the domain of the military.
China's frustration became apparent when its media criticized Pakistan for not doing enough reigning in extremists like Hafiz Suar.
Mr Sharif has wanted to improve ties with India, Iran and the US but he has been unable to do so. Meanwhile, opposition politicians have accused Mr Sharif of surrendering all foreign policy decisions to the military.The military in turn are deeply frustrated - and here they have considerable public support - that Mr Sharif has not appointed a foreign minister or improved governance. He has not even given up the portfolio for foreign affairs even as he recovers from open heart surgery in London.The region is changing rapidly and Pakistan needs urgently to address its security and improve relations with its neighbours.
NS is more involved these days in "securing" his off-shore loot, and some way still holding on to his PM seat.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2

Postby Falijee » 14 Jun 2016 15:29

Border Clashes With Afghanistan Getting Serious.

Army major killed in Afghan cross-border firing

PESHAWAR: An army officer, who was injured by Afghan firing at the Torkham border on Monday, succumbed to his injuries at the Combined Military Hospital in Peshawar on Tuesday.
Gen Raheel Sharif at Major Ali Jawad's funeral in Peshawar. – DawnNews screengrab
Major Ali Jawad's funeral was attended by Chief of Army Staff Gen Raheel Sharif in Peshawar Tuesday afternoon, after which his body was flown to his hometown – Quetta – for burial.
PESHAWAR: An army officer, who was injured by Afghan firing at the Torkham border on Monday, succumbed to his injuries at the Combined Military Hospital in Peshawar on Tuesday.
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The ISPR statement added that, in order to check movement of terrorists through Torkham, Pakistan is constructing a gate on its side of the border as a necessity to check unwanted and illegal movement.
Pakistan claims the Afghan government does not recognise the border and has always resisted attempts to regulate it including its fencing.

No Afghan Govt, including the Taliban have recognized this artificial line (Durand )
he firing erupted again on Monday afternoon when Pakistani border forces restarted installation of the gate inside its own territory near the Torkham border’s zero-point.
Reports from across the border claim six have been wounded on the Afghan side, with one official having died.


Pakistan is going to be faced with a huge " fifth column " population of disgruntled Pathans !

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2

Postby Gagan » 14 Jun 2016 17:14

Kashi wrote:An excellent article in Swarajya on Paki wet dreams over Gwadar and CPEC

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China-Pak Economic Corridor: Why Gwadar Is An Overrated Port

As per the Gwadar port website, it has 3 berths at present with a plan to add 3 more (a multipurpose, a grain, and an oil berth). Its projected draught is 12.5 metres with which it claims it will be able to handle 50,000 DWT (Dead Weight Tonnes, which denotes carrying capacity) vessels.

Chabahar has 10 berths already, and is expanding to include a deep water berth which would be able to handle VLCCs (Very Large Crude Carriers) of 22 m draught or more.

Mumbai port has 26 cargo/container berths and 6 POL/chemical berths; Karachi has 12; Nhava Sheva has more than 10, and Dubai (Jebel Ali and Port Rashid), which Gwadar is supposed to be threatening commercially, has 102 berths, with VLCC POL supply terminals as well.

So we can quite clearly see that logistically, Gwadar is just a little dot.

Now, let’s discuss CPEC’s economic calculations.
power plants to be built by the Chinese for which Pakistan has given a sovereign guarantee to buy all the power produced at a fantastic rate of PKR 18 per unit (INR equivalent 11.53). Even the power plants which are going to be all thermal variety are going to be put up at a minimum of $2 billion per GW (1 GW=1000 MW).

India routinely builds its thermal power plants at less than $ 1 billion per GW. The average rate per unit on the India power trading exchange has been INR 2.50 for over a year. Bangladesh is buying 1100 MW from India at INR 6 per unit. This is a classical colony-making exercise by China, which Pakistan establishment and the Army is quite excited with.

So, it looks to me as if the CPEC is purely a marketing exercise by China to rip off some good money from Pakistan for its thermal power companies which have to dismantle their old plants in the mainland to meet the emission norms agreed to by China at the Paris meet.
Pak army has got an 11 percent raise in its budget in a year in which GDP grew by 4.7 percent (actually 3.1% if independent verifiable statistics are to be believed)

So my advice to my Pakistani friends is - please don’t parade the CPEC and Gwadar to the world. It’s not your salvation, it’s your cross.

What an impressive article !

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2

Postby Gagan » 14 Jun 2016 17:25

Pak Afghan friendship ceremony at the Torkham border post :rotfl:

Cross Border shelling in between Afghan and Pakistan, Afghan forces kill Pak army: Paki Media

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22Z8o0sD4h4


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2

Postby abhijitm » 14 Jun 2016 18:40

Gagan wrote:Pak Afghan friendship ceremony at the Torkham border post :rotfl:

Cross Border shelling in between Afghan and Pakistan, Afghan forces kill Pak army: Paki Media

hahaha. How come pakis are erecting a permanent structure that defines the border on a disputed territory when they are objecting similar indian constructions over LOC?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2

Postby AbhiJ » 14 Jun 2016 20:15

As per Islam who is more pious?

Pakistani soldier or Afghan soldier.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2

Postby Falijee » 14 Jun 2016 20:47

An excellent comparison between the vast potentiality of Chabahar and the Paki frenzy about their Gwadar . (Why Gwadar is overated... (By Sanjay Dixit).

I would like to add the following TWO points to the discussion.

(a) Gwadar has chronic water shortage; it has no known sources of fresh water supply (as far as I know there is no river, no desalination plant ); so how can this port infrastructure to develop in the absence of this vital need; I have seen some press reports that fresh water in Gwadar area comes from Irani Balochistan !

(b) If Gwadar is such a win-win situation for Pakistan, why is their senile Foreign Advisor (Sartaj Aziz) so excited about the future possibility of a road/ rail link between Chahbar and Gwadar and wants to join in the (Chahabar ) action :mrgreen:


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