Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 24 Aug 2016 10:32

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How to derive energy from jinns, india causing floods and climate change & other such gems

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durvasa · Post by **durvasa** » 24 Aug 2016 13:29

Nice article... Gives 8 reasons!

Parrikar is Wrong, Hell is not Pakistan.

It took Hell millions of years to reach its present state of perfection, while Pakistan just took 70 years.
Hell is far far away from India (and Earth), Pakistan is…

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 24 Aug 2016 17:42

PM Modi’s pictures and Indian flag raised during protests in Balochistan

Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s mention of Balochistan in his Independence Day speech is witnessing widespread consequences. While some oppose and others stand with it, on Wednesday his pictures of PM Modi along with Baloch martyr and freedom fighter Akbar Bugti were held in protests in Balochistan. The Indian flag was also raised with these pictures.
Soon after PM Modi in his speech at the Red Fort said that the people in Gilgit-Baltistan have “thanked him”, responses from the latter and others have been pouring in. These protests come after five cases were registered against separatists Baloch leaders for allegedly supporting the Modi’s statements. Complaints against Baloch leaders Brahamdagh Bugti, Harbiyar Marri and Banuk Karima Baloch was registered after a petition was filed at five police stations in Khuzdar area, Balochistan.

Thanking PM Modi and other Indians for their support, Brahumdagh Bugti, grandson of slain Baloch leader Bugti said, “We hope not only the Indian government but every Indian citizen will support our struggle. The Indian media and film industry can play an important role by highlighting the struggle. If the world fails to support them, it loses its only friend in the region ridden with religious extremism and terrorism.” On the other hand, Balochistan Chief Minister Sanaullah Zehri dismissed Modi’s statements saying that India was responsible for fomenting terrorism in their province and that people of Balochistan were indeed loyal to Pakistan.

johb · Post by **johb** » 24 Aug 2016 17:52

http://www.dawn.com/news/1279257/modis-objective

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 24 Aug 2016 18:22

^ Baki analcyst in US is smoking hopium of Modi attending SAARC summit in Bakistan.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Aug 2016 18:24

Pakistan presents strong rationale to UN for NSG membership - DT

Pakistan has made a strong pitch in UN for the country’s NSG membership, clearing the UN Security Council about Pakistan’s credentials about its eligibility.

In addition, she said, Pakistan has elaborated and implemented a comprehensive export control regime, fully harmonised with those of the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) and the Australia Group.

In the 15 member UN body, the Pakistani envoy called for “a criteria-based, non-discriminatory approach to expand the NSG’s membership which strengthens the non-proliferation regime. “

What has the UN got to do with NSG, MTCR or Australia Group?

Why did she miss out the 'Wassenaar Arrangement''?

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 24 Aug 2016 21:48

johb wrote:http://www.dawn.com/news/1279257/modis-objective

So do you agree with it?

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 24 Aug 2016 23:41

MediaCrooks has posted on a possible solution: http://www.mediacrooks.com/2016/08/pok- ... actor.html

I say it is a good break. Give something to Afghanistan. They are happy too because Afghanistan should be kept within Indian sphere of influence.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 25 Aug 2016 00:25

The problem with the above is Islam. Do we want millions of crazy Muslims running around in India declaring Jihad? I think if we get the land without the people that would be good. Or if the people convert to Dharmic religions. Partition was a good thing all things considered. We don't want to undo it without thinking it through.

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 25 Aug 2016 00:41

KJo wrote:The problem with the above is Islam. Do we want millions of crazy Muslims running around in India declaring Jihad? I think if we get the land without the people that would be good. Or if the people convert to Dharmic religions. Partition was a good thing all things considered. We don't want to undo it without thinking it through.

Which part (other than POK which is rightfully ours) is shown merging with India on that map? Besides, you are missing the real point of the exercise which is to make the current Pakistan inconsequential as a threat to us and open unfettered trade and connectivity that they have been holding back since 70 years.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 25 Aug 2016 01:07

US concerned about Human Rites situation Pakistan-held Kashmir

WASHINGTON: The US is concerned about human rights situation in the Pakistan-occupied Kashmir+ and the country's Balochistan province, the State Department has said.

US State Department spokesperson Mark C Toner on Tuesday said the US was concerned about the " human rights situation+ " there and had "reported it for several years in our Human Rights Report".

He made the remarks while responding to a question about Pakistan Army's oppression in Pakistan-held Kashmir and Balochistan+ , during a press briefing here.

Toner also said the US had always urged Pakistan to work out differences in its region peacefully and through a political process.

"We've obviously -- are always urging all parties in Pakistan to work out their differences peaceably and through a valid political process," Toner said.

He also said that Pakistan was well aware of the US policy on the Kashmir issue.
Cheers

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Aug 2016 01:15

KJo wrote:The problem with the above is Islam. Do we want millions of crazy Muslims running around in India declaring Jihad? I think if we get the land without the people that would be good. Or if the people convert to Dharmic religions. Partition was a good thing all things considered. We don't want to undo it without thinking it through.

first of all they are not crazy. Only Pakjabis are crazy.
Next allowing the Balochis and Sindhis to exercise self determination will reduce the chances of Pakistan to act out the craziness.
Chagai test could not have occurred if Baluchistan was free in 1970s.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Aug 2016 01:18

Dilbu wrote:PM Modi’s pictures and Indian flag raised during protests in Balochistan
Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s mention of Balochistan in his Independence Day speech is witnessing widespread consequences. While some oppose and others stand with it, on Wednesday his pictures of PM Modi along with Baloch martyr and freedom fighter Akbar Bugti were held in protests in Balochistan. The Indian flag was also raised with these pictures.
Soon after PM Modi in his speech at the Red Fort said that the people in Gilgit-Baltistan have “thanked him”, responses from the latter and others have been pouring in. These protests come after five cases were registered against separatists Baloch leaders for allegedly supporting the Modi’s statements. Complaints against Baloch leaders Brahamdagh Bugti, Harbiyar Marri and Banuk Karima Baloch was registered after a petition was filed at five police stations in Khuzdar area, Balochistan.

Thanking PM Modi and other Indians for their support, Brahumdagh Bugti, grandson of slain Baloch leader Bugti said, “We hope not only the Indian government but every Indian citizen will support our struggle. The Indian media and film industry can play an important role by highlighting the struggle. If the world fails to support them, it loses its only friend in the region ridden with religious extremism and terrorism.” On the other hand, Balochistan Chief Minister Sanaullah Zehri dismissed Modi’s statements saying that India was responsible for fomenting terrorism in their province and that people of Balochistan were indeed loyal to Pakistan.

Actually ISI need to have a review of intelligence failure when NaMo raised Baluchistan HR abuses when the focus of their attention was Cashmere.
This is a big intelligence failure on their part.
Its almost like STASI failed to understand the Berlin Wall collapse.

I expect a coup in Pakistan soon to purge ISI of its bad elements.

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 25 Aug 2016 01:39

Along the lines of Ab Ki Baar Modi Sarkaar...Ab Ki Baar Pakistan Ke Tukde Chaar

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 25 Aug 2016 02:11

Don Key wrote:Along the lines of Ab Ki Baar Modi Sarkaar...Ab Ki Baar Pakistan Ke Tukde Chaar

Technically it is onlee three

Balochistan, Sindhustan and Pakjab. POK will be absorbed by India. FATA and NWFP absorbed by Afghanistan.

It would have been nice to offer some parts of Balochistan to Iran, to induce Iran into the game. However, Persians have been a pain to Indians right from the Vedic days. And Balochistan cannot be cut and divvied up without hurting the sentiments of Balochs.

If Balochistan is formed there will be civil war within Iran - between Persians and Balochs of Iran; or border wars between Iran and Balochistan. Iran might do what China, Russia or Turkey routinely do other countries in their region.

Sindhustan would have to be friendly to India for their own survival.

Increasing border with Afghanistan is good to access CAR.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 25 Aug 2016 02:17

ramana wrote: Actually ISI need to have a review of intelligence failure when NaMo raised Baluchistan HR abuses when the focus of their attention was Cashmere.
This is a big intelligence failure on their part.
Its almost like STASI failed to understand the Berlin Wall collapse.

I expect a coup in Pakistan soon to purge ISI of its bad elements.

Maybe Pigeon should get some credit. Assets must have been increased - if that is true, then it is mighty impressive to have done it within two years.

It is nice to see Modi increase the flame on the gas burner; his remarks on Balochistan are not flashes in the pan.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 25 Aug 2016 02:18

Hindu acharyas have to get some Balochs back into Hinduism.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 25 Aug 2016 02:23

Why do you term it as Pakistan intelligence failure? It is a policy speech by PM and indicates the possibility regarding the use of such an option.

disha · Post by **disha** » 25 Aug 2016 02:56

KJo wrote:The problem with the above is Islam. Do we want millions of crazy Muslims running around in India declaring Jihad? I think if we get the land without the people that would be good. Or if the people convert to Dharmic religions. Partition was a good thing all things considered. We don't want to undo it without thinking it through.

KJo., breaking them apart will make them manageable. They can be set against each other and the localized parochial nationalism will take over. For example., sindhis will not want to go back to pakjabi domination and the balochs too. Pathans will be more inclined to get their own pakhtunkhwa leaving pakjabis flailing around.

disha · Post by **disha** » 25 Aug 2016 02:58

Don Key wrote:Along the lines of Ab Ki Baar Modi Sarkaar...Ab Ki Baar Pakistan Ke Tukde~~Chaar~~ hazaar

There., now it is right and will merge with several jingoes dreams

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Aug 2016 07:01

India right in flagging Baluchistan G.Parthasarathy, Business Line

At the all-party meeting on August 13, Prime Minister Narendra Modi said: “There cannot be any compromise on national security, but we have to win the confidence of the people of Jammu and Kashmir.” He directly blamed Pakistan-sponsored cross-border terrorism for fomenting unrest in the Kashmir Valley. Significantly, he added that Pakistan must be exposed globally for atrocities in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir (including Gilgit-Baltistan) and in Baluchistan. It was inevitable that he would reiterate this during his address to the nation on Independence Day.

Quite obviously, the Prime Minister’s statements were carefully crafted after careful consideration of the geopolitical and regional situation, with particular focus on the internal and external challenges that Pakistan, the epicentre of global terrorism, now faces. These challenges do not arise from developments across Pakistan’s eastern borders with India, but on its western borders with Afghanistan and Iran.

History of suppression

Pakistan’s brutal suppression of the Baluch people has been a continuing feature since its birth. A former ruler had pointed out that Baluchistan historically held a status different from other princely states in British India. On August 4, 1947, Mohammed Ali Jinnah endorsed this view, saying: “Kalat will be independent on August 5, 1947, enjoying the same status it originally held in 1838, having friendly relations with its neighbours.” On the same day an agreement was signed, with Pakistan stating: “The Government of Pakistan agrees that Kalat is an independent State, being quite different in status from other States of India.”

It was through treachery, deceit and fraud that Pakistan seized control of Baluchistan. Baluch nationalists have since fought wars continuously with Pakistan — in 1948, 1958-1959, 1962-63 and 1973-74. The bloodiest conflict, which continues today, began in 2003. Thousands of Baluch youths have ‘disappeared’ after being taken into custody by the army. Legally, Pakistan’s claims of sovereignty over Baluchistan are questionable.

Fears that India will somehow get drawn into a quagmire by expressing solidarity with the Baluch are ridiculous as we do not share a border with Baluchistan. Baluch freedom fighters have traditionally received haven and support from their kith and kin living along the Baluchistan-Pakistan border and financial support from Baluch nationalists abroad. Moreover, while there are no controversies on Baluchistan’s borders with Afghanistan, the Afghans and Pashtuns on both sides of the Durand Line have never accepted the arbitrary demarcation between British India and Afghanistan drawn in 1893. The late Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan, a stalwart of our freedom struggle, insisted that he be buried in Jalalabad in Afghanistan, symbolising his rejection of the Durand Line. The seniormost Pashtun leader in Pakistan, Mehmood Khan Achakzai, recently asserted that historically the borders of the Pashtuns have extended up to Attock on the banks of the Indus.

Border unacceptable

Modi’s statement comes at a time when tensions between Pakistan and Afghanistan are high, with the latter refusing to accept any fencing or gates to denote the Durand Line as the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. There have been shootouts between Afghan and Pakistani forces recently on this issue, as Afghans have opposed Pakistani moves to fence or otherwise seek to portray the Durand Line as an international border.

Tensions have only grown with the Pakistani army launching massive military operations against Pashtun tribals in the Khyber and North Waziristan Agencies, using fighter sir strikes. Over 1.5 million Pashtun tribals have been rendered homeless, with around 100,000 fleeing across the Durand Line into Afghanistan, vowing to return to their homes, and many ready to resort to the use of arms. The army and the Nawaz Sharif government are also at a loss as to how to deal with situation that has resulted from the reckless use of force against tribals in a disputed area. There are already allegations that R&AW and its Afghan counterpart the National Directorate of Security have joined hands to stoke the fires, both in Baluchistan and across the Durand Line.

These developments are now assuming international dimensions. The US has served a warning to Pakistan that it will not hesitate to repeat actions like those it took to eliminate the Taliban leader Mullah Akhtar Mansour, with a drone attack in Baluchistan. The American military commander in Afghanistan, Gen John Nicholson, urged India to step up its military assistance to Afghanistan by supplying additional MI35 attack helicopters and spares for Soviet-era equipment with the Afghan army. Nicholson frankly stated: “We have seen the Lashkar-e-Taiba’s presence and operations in Afghanistan. Our goal is to prevent these groups (Haqqani Network, Taliban and LeT) from regaining sanctuaries.” He added that the LeT was born in the Kunar province of Afghanistan and that it has essentially been an ISI subsidiary for operations in India. While maintaining covert contacts with the Taliban, China has stepped in (unsuccessfully so far), to facilitate a deal between the Taliban and the Afghan government. China evidently believes that a Pakistan-supported, Taliban-led government will not support its oppressed Muslim minority in Xinjiang.

Chinese assistance irks

Baluchistan is strategically important for China, which has an interest in the province’s vast mineral resources of gold and copper in the Chagai district, where Pakistan conducted its 1998 nuclear tests. More importantly, China’s $46-billion One Belt One Road Project links Xinjiang province to the Pakistani port of Gwadar in Baluchistan, which is located astride India’s energy corridors, and the oil-rich Persian Gulf. There are growing indications that Gwadar will be a major hub of China-Pakistan maritime military cooperation. China has pledged to strengthen Pakistan’s navy with significant supplies of new submarines and frigates.

People in Baluchistan are infuriated by the massive Chinese assistance to Pakistan for projects in Baluchistan from which they derive virtually no benefit. Chinese engineers working on these projects have been attacked and killed. Baluchistan is set to become increasingly important strategically as an assertive China seeks to co-opt its ‘all-weather friend’ Pakistan to strengthen its military presence in the western part of the Indian Ocean. It would be disingenuous to pretend that what happens in Baluchistan is of no interest to India.

The writer is a former High Commissioner to Pakistan

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 25 Aug 2016 08:28

This is big. It is not stumping but clean bowled through the gate between bat and pad with an inswinger.

Modi stumps Pak again: Govt announces enhanced compensation for terror victims, PoK people can apply too

The Modi government has announced enhanced compensation for civilian victims of terror and have said that Pakistan Occupied Kashmiris, who are also our people, can claim this compensation too

.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Aug 2016 08:40

Indian flag, PM Modi hailed in Balochistan - ANI News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUpczfH6XlI

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 25 Aug 2016 08:44

Wouldn't we be funding pakis? Who is to verify claims of people from PoK ?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Aug 2016 08:46

TSP has also approached Google to give it Nucleer deal, NSG membership and securti consil membaarsheep...
There you go you !

The problem with Moeed Yusuf and other analyists is that they want to brush under the carpet, the main problem with Pakistan - the sponsor of terrorism by its military, the human rights violations by that army.
By trying to bypass that singular central issue, all possible analysis after that are bound to be flawed, and conclusions will be faulty.

This has been borne out repeatedly, time after time, but these people just don't understand. They can't seem to introspect that their fauj is the source of the problem !
Now, in the 21st century, too much blood has been shed in NWFP, Balochistan and J&K due to Pakistan army. These areas and people must be liberated from this Pakistani punjabi army's control and their ability to cause them more harm.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Aug 2016 08:51

SwamyG wrote:MediaCrooks has posted on a possible solution: http://www.mediacrooks.com/2016/08/pok- ... actor.html

I say it is a good break. Give something to Afghanistan. They are happy too because Afghanistan should be kept within Indian sphere of influence.

The thing to look at with this map is that the northern part of Baluchistan has Pashtoon ethinicity. IMHO, the borders of the erstwhile Balochistan state was distinct from the current Balochistan province within Pakistan.
Some maps show the northernmost border around Quetta, or even just south of it. No wonder the Pashtoon, taliban leadership felt safe in Quetta.

Likewise, the Baloch claim Karachi as being part of the balochistan state, given that it lies west of the Sind river. But with a huge influx of urdu speaking muhajirs since partition and now with a HUGE influx of pashtun people into karachi, that has become the main watering hole and hiding spot for the taliban pashtun, they having established safe zones there. Karachi can become a sticking point later on.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Aug 2016 08:52

Gagan ji, the 'singular central issue' is destruction of India by any means. Everything else flows from that core.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Aug 2016 08:57

Sridhar ji,
That issue is a wet dream, that they hope will come true some day.
Now because of the ever increasing differential, and an unfavorable government in New Delhi, I feel there is a change in their thinking.
The fauj is literally fighting for keeping its privilidges intact. More questions are being asked of them now.
All these crack downs on MQM, and others are having to be done and in the open, where as there was a pretty tight lid kept on them in the past.
Worse, PM Modi's open statement has compounded their worries atleast in the short term by multitudes.
All of a sudden, a thousand mutinies have come to the fore, each with international support to match.

The heat must be kept on the fauj, so that their wet dream fades and more pressing issues of their very survival bear down on them!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Aug 2016 09:03

Pakistan is a very fragile and weak state. The loud mouth bul$hitting has kept it relatively safe, and kept their morale stable.
It is to india's baboos discredit that they considered this fragile, weak contraption as a real nation state, and tried to deal with it as one would do with a true nation state.
Now one can see them tottering by the mere mention of a POK and Baluchistan by a PM of India!

They have always been weak internally and remain so. They are weak militarily, politically, with poor institutions, ethinically and religiously divided down to the subsect level with very deep internal divisions.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Aug 2016 09:14

Can't imagine what the Pashtuns will do to the to Pakjabis if NWFP & KP merge with Afghanistan. Hell hath no fury like an enraged pathan! Pakjab will be stuck between the sikhs and the hindoo buniyas to the east, and a marauding pashtun on the west.

OMG!

disha · Post by **disha** » 25 Aug 2016 10:17

Gagan'ji., Karachi can be made as a city-state on the lines of Singapore or the country of Lebanon.

All of the baki states need to be made interdependent on each other for trade. For example., from Pakjab, they will get their food., from Baluchistan they will get their energy, from Karachi and Sindh, they will get their trades., on the pakhtuns their access to Afghanistan and the trade routes to CAR. And of course they need to be kept warring with each other. But the pakjabi army needs to be dismantled and decimated. Basically stick the pakjabis between the sindhis, balochis, pashtuns and the hindus. There only access should be like a raakit-mard!

This will actually herald an epoch of peace, stability and thus prosperity in the entire sub-continent.

disha · Post by **disha** » 25 Aug 2016 10:22

disha wrote:Gagan'ji., Karachi can be made as a city-state on the lines of Singapore or the country of Lebanon.

All of the baki states need to be made interdependent on each other for trade. For example., from Pakjab, they will get their food., from Baluchistan they will get their energy, from Karachi and Sindh, they will get their trades., on the pakhtuns their access to Afghanistan and the trade routes to CAR. And of course they need to be kept warring with each other. But the pakjabi army needs to be dismantled and decimated. Basically stick the pakjabis between the sindhis, balochis, pashtuns and the hindus. There only access should be like a raakit-mard!

This will actually herald an epoch of peace, stability and thus prosperity in the entire sub-continent.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Aug 2016 10:24

Saar,
Karachi looks like it'll become another beirut - heavily contested where everyone will be fighting for it! They'll wreck it nice and proper.
The Mohajirs, Pashtun and Sindhis (PPP jiyalias) have armed strongholds there. They'll all engage in due murder and mayhem.
Karachi will ultimately go to Sindhudesh, since they don't have any other port. Balochistan has Ormara, pasni, Gawadar.

This sindhudesh will have to be watched in the future too. They, like Bangladesh will be susceptible to Pakjabi and Cheeni manipulations in time.

disha · Post by **disha** » 25 Aug 2016 10:51

Of course before peace there is pralay. Sindhudesh must not get control over Karachi., actually nobody must get control over karachi., since they will end up getting immense wealth and access.

Karachi must be kept semi-independent and on boil and in control of India via proxies. Karachi by itself has to depend upon water and food from the hinterland and the hinterland depends upon karachi for access. This interdependence is what is necessary. Of course Saudi Barbaria must also be allowed to implode so that they cannot interfere in the name of gawd.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 25 Aug 2016 13:34

SwamyG wrote:MediaCrooks has posted on a possible solution: http://www.mediacrooks.com/2016/08/pok- ... actor.html

I say it is a good break. Give something to Afghanistan. They are happy too because Afghanistan should be kept within Indian sphere of influence.

This map and break up is not an original media crook solution. Please check Afghan claims on NWFP. Sindhudesh and Baloch have been more than an idea for sometime. The POK stretch is also coveted by Afghans. I think there has been some work-through there between governments. Pakjab -2022 (my prediction) is a distinct possibility.

Somehow, there is a lot in play simultaneously and we are not able to put all that together. UNMOGIP pulled out, issued unsolicited clarifications, US State dept voiced concerns on Human Rights issue in Balochisan and now in POK, Modi's statements, Altaf Bhai rolling on the floor and begging "hindu-on", Hinglaj Mata pics and pilgrimage prominence, Bangladesh officially and Afghanistan semi officially taking pro Modi stand - all in Aug '16.

I am also thinking that while all this is happening in Aug, there is a UN Gen Assy in Sept. What's cooking?

Now Modi is officially offering citizenship benefits to POK residents. ISI never saw this coming. No one here saw this coming and it is all happening fast.

Questions to Guru jans - Is it a planned move by Modi sarkar with coordination across countries
- Is their an end game or is this political opportunism to push Pakis on backfoot
- Is it only Modi's frustration at internal situation in Kashmir and attempt to divert attention
- What if any is the official Chinese reaction to all this - Chinese are heavily invested in both POK and Balochistan
- Taliban in Quetta will oppose the Baloch movement?
- What is the amount of loan Pakistan has to pay back in the next 12 months? Do they have the money?
- Any significant troop movement in either India, Pakistan, Afghanistan or China since 01st Aug?

Questions on support to Balochistan
- Who or which group among the Baloch is/will the GOI engage?
- What kind of institutional support will GOI set up for Baloch?
- If GOI does not provide institutional support to Baloch, will it be provided from Afghanistan?
- What is Iran's position on GOI's support to Balochistan?

Questions on retaking or making claims on retaking POK?
- Which is the strongest pro - India group from this region?
- How many non Kashmiris has Pakistan settled in POK?
- Is there a non - military option to retake POK?

My two bits of curiosity on the sudden movements on Balcohistan and POK by GOI.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 25 Aug 2016 15:23

^^
Also India is moving Brahmos to Arunachal and China has protested against it.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Aug 2016 17:34

Paki establishment's gambit to get rid of MQM and engineer a split via the "Minus One" formula.
Pretty long article detailing MQM's history with the Pakistani state. Worth reading if one has the time

‘Minus One’ formula and the MQM

“Minus One formula” in Pakistani politics has failed in the past for the simple reason that our politics revolved around personalities, charisma and legacy. Political parties with roots in the masses need to be defeated politically. Pakistan People’s Party, PPP, could not be defeated when attempts were made for “minus Bhutto” and “minus Benazir” formula. Now, it may not be workable in MQM either. At the same time, it’s also high time that MQM founder Altaf Hussain should bring drastic reforms in the party, before it’s too late. Yes, party heads should step down once the party suffered defeat.
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MQM always have “love and hate” relationship with the Establishment since it converted from student party to political party in 1984. Its opponents accused that it’s the product of the Establishment to counter PPP in Sindh, the charge which MQM leadership always denied.

From 1991 till 2002, MQM mostly became the target of different operations against the alleged criminals, whether it’s Army, Rangers or police. During all these periods, premier intelligence agencies played crucial rather controversial role.

Some of the most gruesome massacres in Sindh remained mysterious till this day and fingers have often been pointed out towards “invisible hands” – be they Hyderabad massacre in 1988, in which 250 people died, Pucca Qila, from Sohrab Goth Qasba, Ali Garh or killings of top political and religious leaders in Karachi. The fact remained that “truth” about Karachi violence remained a big “casualty.”

MQM relationship with intelligence agencies became “strain” after the last major split in the party in 1991, when two of its most powerful leaders: Afaq Ahmad and Aamir Khan, left the party or were sacked. It was for the first time MQM leadership accused the Establishment for trying to break the party after their back to back victories in 1987 local bodies and 1988 and 1990 elections. Aamir later returned to MQM, and at present in Ranger’s custody.
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Establishment and MQM, came close to each other after 9/11, when in 2002, some of the major demands of MQM were accepted by former army chief, retired General Pervez Musharraf.

These include, (1) its rival MQM (H) activities would be stopped, which led to the dismantling of its headquarters in Landhi, as MQM had accused the Establishment for making Haqiqi, which Afaq Ahmad denied; and
(2) A power sharing formula in Sindh. Under this pact, governor of Sindh would not only be from MQM, but would practically be given the administrative control of Karachi and Hyderabad. The longest serving governor, Dr Ishratul Ebad enjoyed equal power during 2002 to 2007.
(3) Special development package for uplift of Karachi and Hyderabad.

After these demands were accepted, MQM supported Musharraf-backed Sindh government and became part of the ruling coalition.
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Thus, it would not be difficult to understand the dynamic of “Minus One formula” in Pakistani politics and it has failed. Politics of Pakistan has never been “clean,” but are only politicians responsible for this “dirt?” The money factor made it dirtier. If we really want to clean politics from crime and corruption, then it’s very important to learn few lessons from the past. Let the change come through elections, clean up militancy from politics, once for all, but don’t look for “Minus One Formula” or “Minus One” party formula. It will not work. But the parties too have to decide their own fate and should not be a hostage to militancy or conspiracies.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 25 Aug 2016 18:06

deejay: I did not mean to imply it was mediacrook's original plan. Over the years BRFites have seen several breakup maps in and out of BRF. It is just the beginning of another round of such maps. What earlier used to be in the realm of scholars, observers, strategists and burkha caves are now being openly discussed by aam admi.

Sagarika Ghose made some noise about this. So the known MSM presstitutes are also getting sucked into having discuss such scenarios.

Some of us might be wrong on this, this probably is not to break up Pakistan; but actually a way to curb China. Maybe India has reached a stage where India is now renting Pakistan too to stalemate China.

Some reading material: http://thediplomat.com/2016/08/balochis ... -the-cpec/

Even Pakistanis are grudgingly admitting that Modi hit the ball out of the park with Balochistan: http://tribune.com.pk/story/1169354/mod ... an-gilgit/

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 25 Aug 2016 18:37

Some names are tumbling out - people who launched the recent Balochistan missle- Dr. Jitender Singh and Ram Madhav. More respect of Ram Madhav.

A top diplomat who was part of the discussions said it would be stated that ‘India’s humanity does not end at the border’. The punchline would have takers globally.

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... e-changer/

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Aug 2016 19:57

X post from the Balochistan dhaga...
Balochistan and history: Mapwise

The coloured part is the current Balochistan province within Pakistan. These are the historical princely states, and some of the ethinic composition of the state. Quetta sort of forms the boundary where the Pashtun and Baloch separate. Now, Quetta is more of a pashtun city than a baloch city, the Taliban & the Quetta shura are in force there, boosted by the Pak fauj and its intel agencies.