China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Sep 2016 21:57

Waylan wrote:
lofl. You got me. Poor Chinese quality. American looks. What else?
Indian quality is so world renowned since time immemorial. Everybody can't wait to buy Indian high quality stuff.Jai Hind! India Strong !

Observe this Bheeshma. The topic is always changed to insult the Indian. Defence is not by providing proof of Chinese competence, but calling out Indian incompetence/dirt/poverty etc. the classic "torn shirt vs open fly argument". This has been going on for decades. back again with a new bunch of Chinese after the disk crash

Waylan · Post by **Waylan** » 10 Sep 2016 21:59

shiv wrote:
Waylan wrote:
Who would dare to ridicule the biggest greatest democracy on earth? No sir, not me, by any measure.
We are secret admirers of your freedoms and wisdom. With a billion people like your good self, it's only a matter of time India conquers and rules the world. Welcome the new overlord! Three cheers!
Ridicule is something that Indians can live with - even if you think no one would dare do that. But the statement that "it's only a matter of time India conquers and rules the world" fascinates me. This is a Chinese imagining that Indians think like Chinese. A Freudian slip. Cognitive bias.

I will allow myself a brief digression before I return to the topic of the Chinese military and its connection with this business of ruling the world. Historically India has never sought to rule the world except maybe spiritually. The Chinese were never that way either. It was the religions, Christianity and Islam which genuinely started this business of trying to rule all of the world. The ruled India and China. The Chinese under Mao came out with a huge inferiority complex and profound anger and now want to rule the world. the idea that "India will soon rule the world" stated sarcastically as has been done above is a Chinese "challenge" - a nation that desperately wants to rule the world seeking to insult and "put down" a neighbour whose pretensions are laughable. This tendency gives one a lot of leeway to needle the Chinaman who sees any challenger as an insult. But fun aside it Chinese desperation to rule the world shows out in the way they project technological achievements faking stuff as and when necessary

Anyone who has to deal with technology realizes that some things simply take time. You cannot test an engine for 1 million hour reliability in 10,000 hours. You can predict, but cannot prove that an airframe will last 3000 hours after just 500 hours. Flying an aircraft for 100 hours - say 20 hours a month will take 5 months. Then dismantling for checks will keep the frame off flying for a few weeks. If defects are seen in teh interim period it is back to square 1. If there are no defects after excess time - could it be overdesign? So there are interesting problems all along the way for normal tech researchers and engineers who are not being pushed by bosses to fake things. These things take time in the normal world.

But in the make believe world invented by the Chicoms - everything gets done straight off and is successful first time every time. Nothing fails. Nothing takes time. And if time is unavoidable there is no failure. never. I am sure this look good for people who know bugger all about science and tech - like Pakis. Of course investment, hard work and luck will bring about some spectacular successes faster than others can achieve - but claiming instant fisrt time success for everything makes the Chinese look like a bunch of frauds causing LOLs. The most entertaining part of laughing at the Chinese is that they get really angry and react. Reactions come in various ways on the internet. One is the sophisticate with sarcasm. The other is "Insult India's poverty". But gradually as word spreads in Chinese language social media that none of us visit that there is this Indian forum of black curry-breath upstarts insulting our great China - we get more and more deeply upset Hans coming on here to say why theirs is longer and thicker. It has started.

But no. tech is tech. There is some achievement and some faking in China. it is the faking that I am on the lookout for and there is plenty of it. Changing the subject to India and India hankering to rule the world is a time honouredd topic for Chinese who feel insulted. But you are allowed to insult India - on other threads. This thread is for the Chinese military, even if butt hurt Chinese can't stay on topic when they get their knickers in a knot.

Tl;dr
You saying something chief?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 10 Sep 2016 22:01

shiv wrote:
Waylan wrote:
lofl. You got me. Poor Chinese quality. American looks. What else?
Indian quality is so world renowned since time immemorial. Everybody can't wait to buy Indian high quality stuff.Jai Hind! India Strong !
Observe this Bheeshma. The topic is always changed to insult the Indian. Defence is not by providing proof of Chinese competence, but calling out Indian incompetence/dirt/poverty etc. the classic "torn shirt vs open fly argument". This has been going on for decades. back again with a new bunch of Chinese after the disk crash

What do you expect of a country which does not allow international media and has no open society which allows its people to criticize thier govt and allow outsiders to criticize them.
They want to go to other countries and participate inside their media and talk about all the things and criticize the host.

Waylan · Post by **Waylan** » 10 Sep 2016 22:05

shiv wrote:
Waylan wrote:
lofl. You got me. Poor Chinese quality. American looks. What else?
Indian quality is so world renowned since time immemorial. Everybody can't wait to buy Indian high quality stuff.Jai Hind! India Strong !
Observe this Bheeshma. The topic is always changed to insult the Indian. Defence is not by providing proof of Chinese competence, but calling out Indian incompetence/dirt/poverty etc. the classic "torn shirt vs open fly argument". This has been going on for decades. back again with a new bunch of Chinese after the disk crash

Praise be upon India!
That's truly a strange phenomenon to observe. Jai Hind!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Sep 2016 22:06

Waylan wrote: You saying something chief?

Not to you. But there are people who will read what I have written..and what I write will have some traction. But no need for you to read..

Waylan · Post by **Waylan** » 10 Sep 2016 22:07

svinayak wrote:
shiv wrote: Observe this Bheeshma. The topic is always changed to insult the Indian. Defence is not by providing proof of Chinese competence, but calling out Indian incompetence/dirt/poverty etc. the classic "torn shirt vs open fly argument". This has been going on for decades. back again with a new bunch of Chinese after the disk crash
What do you expect of a country which does not allow international media and has no open society which allows its people to criticize thier govt and allow outsiders to criticize them.
They want to go to other countries and participate inside their media and talk about all the things and criticize the host.

Yeah that's not cool. Who would do that? Jai Hind!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Sep 2016 22:09

Waylan wrote: Praise be upon India!
That's truly a strange phenomenon to observe. Jai Hind!

You are using Islamic/Abrahamic idiom - probably learning from your taller than mountain sweeter than honey freinds the Pakis "Praise be to--".

But no this is the Chinese military thread and trying to talk about India and saying such stuff is trolling. Trolling on here will only get you so far. Then its back to China

Waylan · Post by **Waylan** » 10 Sep 2016 22:12

Bheeshma wrote:
Waylan wrote:
Who would dare to ridicule the biggest greatest democracy on earth? No sir, not me, by any measure.
We are secret admirers of your freedoms and wisdom. With a billion people like your good self, it's only a matter of time India conquers and rules the world. Welcome the new overlord! Three cheers!
Of course, now make sure you pick up 50 cents from chicom party office. Hully up befole they close up due to economic leasons.

Oldies but still goldies. So cute.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Sep 2016 22:14

Waylan wrote: Oldies but still goldies. So cute.

"Oldies but goldies" was a good retort by itself. That "so cute" bit was an hilarious fail because it indicates anger that makes you want to say something devastating but you come up with "so cute"

Waylan · Post by **Waylan** » 10 Sep 2016 22:19

shiv wrote:
Waylan wrote: Praise be upon India!
That's truly a strange phenomenon to observe. Jai Hind!
You are using Islamic/Abrahamic idiom - probably learning from your taller than mountain sweeter than honey freinds the Pakis "Praise be to--".

But no this is the Chinese military thread and trying to talk about India and saying such stuff is trolling. Trolling on here will only get you so far. Then its back to China

You mad or something chief? Namaste! there you go. Got off on the right foot. Jai Hind!

Waylan · Post by **Waylan** » 10 Sep 2016 22:20

shiv wrote:
Waylan wrote: Oldies but still goldies. So cute.
"Oldies but goldies" was a good retort by itself. That "so cute" bit was an hilarious fail because it indicates anger that makes you want to say something devastating but you come up with "so cute"

You cheeky

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Sep 2016 22:28

Waylan wrote: You mad or something chief? Namaste! there you go. Got off on the right foot. Jai Hind!

Hmm So the chinese "challenge" to India ends with a whimper and an embarrassed grin...

Bheeshma · Post by **Bheeshma** » 10 Sep 2016 22:30

Thank you!! The world over says Jai Hind .

LoL chinese military tech is a Joke. Good we have some entertainment.

Have the chinese figured out why long march failed? Or maybe they are still copying spacex and haven't figured it out

Waylan · Post by **Waylan** » 10 Sep 2016 22:35

shiv wrote:
Waylan wrote: You mad or something chief? Namaste! there you go. Got off on the right foot. Jai Hind!
Hmm So the chinese "challenge" to India ends with a whimper and an embarrassed grin...

Namaste!
When did that happen? Over the phone, by mail, in person? Jai Hind!

Bheeshma · Post by **Bheeshma** » 10 Sep 2016 22:36

Happening as we speak...
But of course like sports chinese pretend injury and retire hurt

Waylan · Post by **Waylan** » 10 Sep 2016 22:42

Bheeshma wrote:Thank you!! The world over says Jai Hind .
LoL chinese military tech is a Joke. Good we have some entertainment.
Have the chinese figured out why long march failed? Or maybe they are still copying spacex and haven't figured it out

Maybe China should copy India's military tech, space tech ?

Waylan · Post by **Waylan** » 10 Sep 2016 22:43

Bheeshma wrote: Happening as we speak...
But of course like sports chinese pretend injury and retire hurt

India sports strong! Jai Hind!

Waylan · Post by **Waylan** » 10 Sep 2016 22:53

shiv wrote:
Waylan wrote: You saying something chief?
Not to you. But there are people who will read what I have written..and what I write will have some traction. But no need for you to read..

Sermon to the world. We tight chief.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Sep 2016 23:00

Waylan wrote: Sermon to the world. We tight chief.

Your reputation on Chinese sites is at stake. You have to try and be funnier than this. After that tremendous start - you are making your presence felt, but not showing much skill or sophistication - just like J-20

Bheeshma · Post by **Bheeshma** » 10 Sep 2016 23:01

Jai Hind..

Yes you may be able to send something to mars.

Waylan · Post by **Waylan** » 10 Sep 2016 23:11

shiv wrote:
Waylan wrote: Sermon to the world. We tight chief.
Your reputation on Chinese sites is at stake. You have to try and be funnier than this. After that tremendous start - you are making your presence felt, but not showing much skill or sophistication - just like J-20

The wise man speakth. Thy shalt listenth. Thee no funnyth.

Waylan · Post by **Waylan** » 10 Sep 2016 23:13

Bheeshma wrote: Jai Hind..

Yes you may be able to send something to mars.

Bay of Bengal would be a good start. Jai Hind!

ranjan.rao · Post by **ranjan.rao** » 10 Sep 2016 23:14

Off topic, Mods please let me know if this post breaches any of forum guideline, but you know what I met a similar troll on quora, everytime I would point facts, like chinese pilots dying on their respected planes (after he reminded me of flying coffins) he would point to similar insults, it was fun till he turned racist and I reported it on quora. The saga ended after he deleted his racist posts. They seem to be very proud of their manufacturing capabilities in science, technology and military arena. Waylan and Liu's comments are a deja vu for me. They to me seem appear are richer and more literate versions of their Deeper than ocean brothers

Bheeshma · Post by **Bheeshma** » 10 Sep 2016 23:25

Waylan wrote:
Bheeshma wrote: Jai Hind..

Yes you may be able to send something to mars.
Bay of Bengal would be a good start. Jai Hind!

LOl can you make it out of the Indo china sea? With all the US, Japanese and Indian ships there? Do you need coordinates or assistance? Jai Hind!!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Sep 2016 23:36

Waylan wrote: The wise man speakth. Thy shalt listenth. Thee no funnyth.

Chinaman attempteth to copieth, but botcheth, looks like joker-eth, then struggleth to saveth faceth and not be laughing stocketh.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 10 Sep 2016 23:39

So today from Sanjay saars link i came across below for the first time..

.......
In the late spring of 2003, a disabled Chinese submarine was found drifting, partly submerged, in the Bohai Sea off China's northern coast. When the boat was raised, rescuers found all 70 of its crew dead. Their deaths were blamed on “mechanical difficulties,” according to reports at the time in China's state-controlled media. The outcome of any inquiry was never made public.

Since then, submariners all over the world have speculated about what went wrong aboard Ming class submarine number 361, a Chinese copy of an obsolete Russian design. Most agree it was probably a fault with its diesels. The engines either didn't shut down immediately when the submarine submerged, sucking the oxygen out of the hull in minutes, or the suffocating exhaust vented internally rather than outside the hull. Either way, the outcome was catastrophic.

It was one of Communist China's worst peacetime military disasters, and the navy chief and three other senior officers were sacked.
........
http://www.voanews.com/a/chinese-milita ... 14104.html

Have to say surprising levels of ineptitude, from the self proclaimed "dominators" of South China sea(or should one use its real name viz. The Champa sea) and Bay of Bengal.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Sep 2016 23:42

ranjan.rao wrote:Waylan and Liu's comments are a deja vu for me. They to me seem appear are richer and more literate versions of their Deeper than ocean brothers

This is normal. Except for a small minority (some of whom have been on BRF before) these guys take insults very badly, get really angry and start insulting India and Indians. This is exactly why I come down heavily on people who go off the topic of China military on this thread. This makes Chinese trolls stand out. I suspect Waylan is getting past his sell by date on BRF and he will go back to wherever he came from with some loss of face.

For many years the China military thread has been getting derailed by Chinese insulting India or Indians self flagellating and saying that we must agree with all those insults. This is just a repeat of what this thread has seen for many years

Waylan · Post by **Waylan** » 11 Sep 2016 00:00

Bheeshma wrote:
Waylan wrote:
Bay of Bengal would be a good start. Jai Hind!
LOl can you make it out of the Indo china sea? With all the US, Japanese and Indian ships there? Do you need coordinates or assistance? Jai Hind!!

Crash. Splash. Jai Hind!

Waylan · Post by **Waylan** » 11 Sep 2016 00:02

shiv wrote:
Waylan wrote: The wise man speakth. Thy shalt listenth. Thee no funnyth.
Chinaman attempteth to copieth, but botcheth, looks like joker-eth, then struggleth to saveth faceth and not be laughing stocketh.

You're welcome, my carbon copy. Run along now.

Bheeshma · Post by **Bheeshma** » 11 Sep 2016 00:05

LoL chinky talking about carbon copy...

Waylan · Post by **Waylan** » 11 Sep 2016 00:07

Lilo wrote:So today from Sanjay saars link i came across below for the first time..

.......
In the late spring of 2003, a disabled Chinese submarine was found drifting, partly submerged, in the Bohai Sea off China's northern coast. When the boat was raised, rescuers found all 70 of its crew dead. Their deaths were blamed on “mechanical difficulties,” according to reports at the time in China's state-controlled media. The outcome of any inquiry was never made public.

Since then, submariners all over the world have speculated about what went wrong aboard Ming class submarine number 361, a Chinese copy of an obsolete Russian design. Most agree it was probably a fault with its diesels. The engines either didn't shut down immediately when the submarine submerged, sucking the oxygen out of the hull in minutes, or the suffocating exhaust vented internally rather than outside the hull. Either way, the outcome was catastrophic.

It was one of Communist China's worst peacetime military disasters, and the navy chief and three other senior officers were sacked.
........
http://www.voanews.com/a/chinese-milita ... 14104.html

Have to say surprising levels of ineptitude, from the self proclaimed "dominators" of South China sea(or should one use its real name viz. The Champa sea) and Bay of Bengal.

Deja Vu ...

Waylan · Post by **Waylan** » 11 Sep 2016 00:10

shiv wrote:
ranjan.rao wrote:Waylan and Liu's comments are a deja vu for me. They to me seem appear are richer and more literate versions of their Deeper than ocean brothers
This is normal. Except for a small minority (some of whom have been on BRF before) these guys take insults very badly, get really angry and start insulting India and Indians. This is exactly why I come down heavily on people who go off the topic of China military on this thread. This makes Chinese trolls stand out. I suspect Waylan is getting past his sell by date on BRF and he will go back to wherever he came from with some loss of face.

For many years the China military thread has been getting derailed by Chinese insulting India or Indians self flagellating and saying that we must agree with all those insults. This is just a repeat of what this thread has seen for many years

So I passed your sniff test?

Waylan · Post by **Waylan** » 11 Sep 2016 00:14

Bheeshma wrote:LoL chinky talking about carbon copy...

Absolutely a WTF moment

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 11 Sep 2016 00:15

Waylan wrote:Deja Vu ...

Indians were unable to stop the sympathetic detonations triggered by a malfunctioning torpedo when the sub was being loaded in the dock.

However 70 Chinese navy officers were unable to find the off switch to the diesel engine,which gradually sucked out the oxygen & they just choked themselves to death!!
How inept is that !

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 11 Sep 2016 00:21

Waylan wrote: So I passed your sniff test?

Chinese lice smell so good..

maybe Mr Waylan its time for you to get moving...

Waylan · Post by **Waylan** » 11 Sep 2016 00:31

Lilo wrote:
Waylan wrote:Deja Vu ...
Indians were unable to stop the sympathetic detonations triggered by a malfunctioning torpedo when the sub was being loaded in the dock.

However 70 Chinese navy officers were unable to find the off switch to the diesel engine,which gradually sucked out the oxygen & they just choked themselves to death!!
How inept is that !

So very much. Ya happy now?

Waylan · Post by **Waylan** » 11 Sep 2016 00:33

Guddu wrote:
Waylan wrote: So I passed your sniff test?
Chinese lice smell so good.. maybe Mr Waylan its time for you to get moving...

It goes well with curry. Yum.

Am I in your way? Apologies.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 11 Sep 2016 00:47

Lilo wrote: Indians were unable to stop the sympathetic detonations triggered by a malfunctioning torpedo when the sub was being loaded in the dock.

However 70 Chinese navy officers were unable to find the off switch to the diesel engine,which gradually sucked out the oxygen & they just choked themselves to death!!
How inept is that !

Lilo ji, The main difference is even more stark than what you have stated. The chinese submarine disaster happened in 2003 and we are only getting to know of this tragedy only in 2016. I bet even now more than 95% of chinese still wouldn't be knowing of this tragedy. I Guess the 70 chinese sailors just died in vain and their deaths were not probably even acknowledged by Chinese Navy or Chinese govt. This is how China treats its patriots and soldiers.

Whereas in India's case the Kilo sunk on 14th August 2010 and all of us had heard the news by 15th of August 2010. Infact for the whole week this was the prime time news staple. This is the level of transparency in India. Our govt acknowledged the 18 Naval warriors who laid down their life in service of their nation. They were not forgotten.

In fact this is what Shiv is saying.

P.S.Mods please take action against the chinese poster who is posting everything apart from Chinese military news which is the title of this thread.

Bheeshma · Post by **Bheeshma** » 11 Sep 2016 00:49

Its cully you silly fellow.

Get back to le-education camp.
Jai Hind

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 11 Sep 2016 00:55

[quoteIn the late spring of 2003, a disabled Chinese submarine was found drifting, partly submerged, in the Bohai Sea off China's northern coast. When the boat was raised, rescuers found all 70 of its crew dead][/quote]

What the fu@k does it even mean? Drifting in ocean. Just like that.