India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 13 Sep 2016 10:45

Hillary Clinton lying for 13 minutes straight.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 13 Sep 2016 13:18

^^^Wow! I am not much into US elections etc (though I do have opinions) but she is a liar.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 14 Sep 2016 00:06

^^she would have probably lied on post-lewinski as well
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oped from a jnu pov
http://www.eurasiareview.com/12092016-i ... ance-oped/

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 14 Sep 2016 01:54

She is almost of the same high standard of public prevarication as dogvijai, syball and kurshit.

She must have taken lessons from them.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 14 Sep 2016 05:54

chetak wrote:She is almost of the same high standard of public prevarication as dogvijai, syball and kurshit.

She must have taken lessons from them.

Or the other way round..

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 14 Sep 2016 05:55

deejay wrote:^^^Wow! I am not much into US elections etc (though I do have opinions) but she is a liar.

I find one factor very interesting. Both Hillary and Trump seem to follow advice given to them as they matured.

Hillary by her mother, who as a very young girl, was told to stand her ground and "fight".

Trump by his father and a lawyer. Father told him that all publicity is good publicity. And his lawyer told him if someone hits you, you hit that person harder.

And you see those traits in both. Hillary stands her ground, no matter what- lies are part of standing her ground. And Trump says anything he pleases to hit the headlines and retaliates no matter what - the best example was WRT the Khans.

What neither was told, as far as I know, do the right thing and speak the truth. So neither does that.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 14 Sep 2016 06:06

How do the voters think? Are they sympathising and taking pity types? Will they have compassion for hillary seeing her fall like this?

Or do they generally want a strong and healthy person as president? One of the thing I noticed in serial "House of Cards" was that kevin spacey has a battle with president's chief of staff a hispanic lady, she loses and leaves. But he says "One can't help but respect her, she may have lost but she fought to win."

In another michael douglas as president movie he says, "this nation doesn't elect president in wheelchair..."

They would want someone fit and strong to face Putin and 11jinping OR someone more intellectual type?

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 14 Sep 2016 07:21

The problem seems to be the lack of trust. When no one trusts her then how sympathy will come. The other problem is the lack of drive in her voters to go and vote. Most of them vote because they do not want to vote for DT.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 14 Sep 2016 10:57

We amreekans are a cold calculating Beady eyed businesspeople. Green backs uber alles. If HRC is weak she will be toast.

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 14 Sep 2016 11:31

Bill Clinton lets it slip that Hillary Clinton faints "frequently"

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 14 Sep 2016 13:47

Nobody is going to change their mind on who they are going to vote. american media is totally polarized and people get their stuff exclusively from either right or left.

only the swing voters of some counties in swing states count. if that vote was solidified, polls would have picked already.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 14 Sep 2016 13:58

I seriously doubt the polls, this time, will be on target. In many ways, this is a unique election. There will be a lot of new voters and lot of people may not be ready to say whom they are going to vote. Further, the regular polling models may not be factoring the likely voters correctly. DT is getting a lot of public to come to his meetings is an indication that there is something new going on. How far it will affect the voting is not known. HC has little enthusiasm backing her, and DT has no organization supporting him. These two things may change some significant voting numbers. US MSM is also not telling us the truth is us as most of it is in HC side.

So we can not rule out anything.

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 14 Sep 2016 15:08

This time US elections opinion polls might have LIE factor like Indian opinion polls. People may lie about whom they are going to vote for, unless their candidate wins. Though I think Clinton will win and Trump as been put up as an obvious obnoxious person to help her win.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 14 Sep 2016 17:06

Crowd visuals are managed. They pack one end and make out like entire place is packed.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 14 Sep 2016 17:39

1) Keep an eye on the Electoral College numbers, currently they favour Clinton. Popular voting numbers do not make any difference

2) IF the local Democratic machine can deliver (like Warren Buffett said he would take 10 people to the voting booth), then Clinton wins

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 14 Sep 2016 18:20

Agree. In any tight fight good or bad election day management will be a decisive factor. We hear nothing about the organization of DT which can convert support to votes.

bahdada · Post by **bahdada** » 14 Sep 2016 21:12

Newsweek hitjob on Drumpf....SoKo,India,Russia,GCC.

HOW THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION'S FOREIGN BUSINESS TIES COULD UPEND U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/dona ... 98081.html

excerpt
....
"In India, the conflicts between the interests of the Trump Organization and American foreign policy are starker. Trump signed an agreement in 2011 with an Indian property developer called Rohan Lifescapes that wanted to construct a 65-story building with his name on it. Leading the talks for Rohan was Kalpesh Mehta, a director of the company who would later become the exclusive representative of Trump’s businesses in India. However, government regulatory hurdles soon impeded the project. According to a former Trump official who spoke on condition of anonymity, Donald Trump Jr. flew to India to plead with Prithviraj Chavan, chief minister of Maharashtra, a state in Western India, asking that he remove the hurdles, but the powerful politician refused to make an exception for the Trump Organization. It would be extremely difficult for a foreign politician to make that call if he were speaking to the son of the president of the United States.The Mumbai deal with Rohan fell apart in 2013, but a new branding deal (Trump Tower Mumbai) was struck with the Lodha Group, a major Indian developer. By that time, Trump had an Indian project underway in the city of Pune with a large developer called Panchshil Realty that agreed to pay millions for use of the Trump brand on two 22-floor towers. His new partner, Atul Chordia of Panchshil, appeared awed in public statements about his association with the famous Trump name and feted Trump with a special dinner attended by actors, industrialists, socialites and even a former Miss Universe.

Last month, scandal erupted over the development, called Trump Towers Pune, after the state government and local police started looking into discrepancies in the land records suggesting that the land on which the building was constructed may not have been legally obtained by Panchshil. The Indian company says no rules or laws were broken, but if government officials conclude otherwise, the project’s future will be in jeopardy—and create a problem that Indian politicians eager to please an American president might have to resolve.Through the Pune deal, the Trump Organization has developed close ties to India’s Nationalist Congress Party—a centrist political organization that stands for democratic secularism and is led by Sharad Pawar, an ally of the Chordia family that owns Panchshil—but that would be of little help in this investigation.

Political power in India rests largely with the Indian National Congress, a nationalist party that has controlled the central government for almost 50 years. (However, Trump is very popular with the Hindu Sena, a far-right radical nationalist group that sees his anti-Muslim stance as a sign he would take an aggressive stand against Pakistan. When Trump turned 70 in June, members of that organization threw a birthday party for the man they called “the savior of humanity.”)

Even as Trump was on the campaign trail, the Trump Organization struck another deal in India that drew the Republican nominee closer to another political group there. In April, the company inked an agreement with Ireo, a private real estate equity business based in the Indian city of Gurgaon. The company, which has more than 500 investors in the fund that will be paying the Trump Organization, is headed by Madhukar Tulsi, a prominent real estate executive in India. In 2010, Tulsi’s home and the offices of Ireo were raided as part of a sweeping corruption inquiry related to the 2010 Commonwealth Games held in New Delhi.

According to one Indian business executive, government investigators believed that Ireo had close ties with a prominent Indian politician—Sudhanashu Mittal, then the leader of the Bharatiya Janata Party, India’s second largest political party—who was suspected in playing a role in rerouting money earned from Commonwealth Games contracts through tax havens into Ireo’s real estate projects. A senior official with Ireo, Tulsi is a relative of Mittal’s. No charges were ever brought in the case, but the investigation did reveal the close political ties between a prominent Indian political party and a company that is now a Trump partner.No doubt, few Indian political groups hoping to establish close ties to a possible future American president could have missed the recent statements from the Trump family that its company wanted to do more deals in their country.

As the Republican National Convention was about to get underway in July, the Trump Organization declared it was planning a massive expansion in the South Asian country. “We are very bullish on India and plan to build a pan-India development footprint for Trump-branded residential and office projects,’’ Donald Trump Jr. told the Hindustan Times. “We have a very aggressive pipeline in the north and east, and look forward to the announcement of several exciting new projects in the months ahead.”That is a chilling example of the many looming conflicts of interest in a Trump presidency. If he plays tough with India, will the government assume it has to clear the way for projects in that “aggressive pipeline” and kill the investigations involving Trump’s Pune partners? And if Trump takes a hard line with Pakistan, will it be for America’s strategic interests or to appease Indian government officials who might jeopardize his profits from Trump Towers Pune?

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 14 Sep 2016 21:46

Fun times.

Powell: Trump is 'an international pariah'

Of course, via hacked emails.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 14 Sep 2016 22:35

I kinda hope that Trump wins. Hillary is corrupt and I think she is unwell. I think she is smart intellectually but crooked and a Paki lover and Islam pasand.

Trump is crazy but is a businessman so will be a straight shooter. No playing games like usual politicians.
He is the only one who has gotten into the faces of the peacefools.

Let's see. No one knows. Will be interesting.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 14 Sep 2016 22:54

I hope Trump does not even win a vote.

Both are bad, but Trump is a disaster.

We can manage Hillary, but Trump is a runaway train without brakes or a conductor/engineer on-board.

He is weak as a businessman and has no clue as to what trade is (what govs do).

He will get nothing passed - not even the GOP support him. Heck even Pence did not support in talks with the GOP ............. just yesterday!!!!!

And, who in the world will want to sit with him? Putin will use Trump and then eat Trump for breakfast.

I think if Trump gets elected he will also get ejected. Pretty fast.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 14 Sep 2016 22:56

its funny and predictable how different news outlets pick different things to highlight from powell leaks.

from fox

Powell warned Clinton not to make him fall guy over email scandal, leaked messages reveal

Powell complained about 'Hillary's mafia' in leaked messages

the flock will never be exposed to other stuff. the problem is there on both sides, but it is worse on the right.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 14 Sep 2016 22:59

KJo wrote:Trump is crazy but is a businessman so will be a straight shooter. No playing games like usual politicians.
He is the only one who has gotten into the faces of the peacefools.

if you actually believe any of what trump says, joke is on you.

he plays his electorate as much as the rest of the politicians play theirs.

this whole "i speak it like it is" is a play as well.

nobody knows what he will do as president. NOT EVEN HIM.

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 14 Sep 2016 23:47

KJo wrote:Trump is crazy but is a businessman so will be a straight shooter.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 15 Sep 2016 00:29

Hillary and Trump to me are like Chonia and Kejriwal. One is pure evil and the other's amoral + pompous + incompetent.

I'd still prefer Trump to ill-ary. But only just.

He'll be entertaining, at least. One hopes.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 15 Sep 2016 00:37

I would gladly offer Trump to either Canada or Russia.

For a $1.

I am sure he can erect buildings there and make the people of those nations prosperous.

Amoghvarsha · Post by **Amoghvarsha** » 15 Sep 2016 00:42

Will Hillary Aunty comtinue the Indian pivot to Asia policy or will we see a return of the 90s policy?

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 15 Sep 2016 01:04

Whatever one may think of Trump... he doesn't have a Huma Abedin, or anything close to that, in his circle.

Now I've read the selectively googled, scare-tactic "equal-equal" links posted by the Hillary Shills on here, ad nauseam, about Paul Manafort having once been a lobbyist for Pakistan.

Anyone who looks beyond the cherry-picked BS proffered in those deliberately obtuse apologia would easily recognize that:

1) Manafort doesn't occupy a position in Trump's campaign that admits a level of influence even remotely close to what Abedin wields over Hillary... he is not even Trump's campaign manager anymore, that position has been taken over by Kellyanne Conway. In contrast, Abedin has been virtually a member of the Clinton family for decades, and has been Hillary's confidante in all work-related matters at least since Hillary became SOS.

2) Manafort has been a career lobbyist for scores of dubious agendas. He takes the money and delivers what service he can. This makes him, at worst, an amoral actor. Abedin is a motivated, dyed-in-the-wool Paki, and many members of her hardcore Islamist family have deep connections to Saudi Arabian ulema and the Muslim Brotherhood.

The idea that Manafort could influence Trump's policies to anywhere near the extent that Abedin can, has, and will influence Clinton's is patently ridiculous. Trump may not be good for India, but Hillary is distinctly dangerous by comparison.

And the Hillary Islamist train doesn't stop with Huma Abedin either. For example, a principal actor in covering up Clinton's gross negligence with regard to the Benghazi attacks was one Uzra Zeya. She continues to stonewall a conflict-of-interest inquiry whereby she sat on the Administrative Review Board investigating the Benghazi attacks, despite her profoundly deep ties to Clinton, Thomas Pickering, and Beth Jones, all of whom the Board was supposed to be investigating! So Clinton very definitely *owes* Uzra Zeya.

Uzra Zeya is another hardcore lipstick-Islamist, with roots in the Bihari-origin Muhajir elite who collaborated enthusiastically in orchestrating the massacres of Bengali Hindus and Muslims in East Pakistan in 1970-71. She has made it her mission to cleanse the US media and public sphere of any remotely negative reference to the Quran, Mohammed PBUH, Islam etc. etc. wherever possible and by any means available.

Now the name Uzra Zeya may ring a bell for you, if you've been paying attention. Remember the Devyani Khobragade case, where an Indian diplomat was sexually assaulted by NY police on allegations of abusing her domestic help? In that instance, do you remember that the maid (Sangeeta Richard)'s family, despite being under investigation for crimes committed in India, were somehow spirited away to the US? Uzra Zeya was the key player in the US SD who orchestrated that. Just in case you had any doubt as to her prior involvement in anti-India agendas.

Something to keep in mind when contemplating the lesser (or greater) of two evils running for the 2016 US Presidential Election.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 15 Sep 2016 01:35

frankly, as an Indian citizen I would certainly prefer drumf over the klingon. the later is a history sheeter as far as we are concerned.
US citizens may have other prerogatives but to imagine a klingon administration as anything less than subversive to Indian interests would be a mistake.

Paarth · Post by **Paarth** » 15 Sep 2016 01:43

billary will be a disaster for Indian interests, drumf might be a good thing for India.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 15 Sep 2016 01:44

Is India still in the middle ages? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

ARB:
* "Admiral Mike Mullen served on the Board, and made it clear that Hillary Clinton was NOT to blame"
* "Raymond Maxwell, who walked into the Foggy Bottom of the State Department and found Cheryl Mills and other destroying documents". Mills has been a Clinton fixture for eons
* "Thomas Pickering, the head of the ARB, is “proud” of his work, including not interviewing Hillary or her staff, and he thinks his report is just swell. He was appointed by Bill Clinton to serve as U.S. Ambassador to Russia. He was Bill Clinton’s Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs from 1997 – 2001"

Then comes:
* "Uzra Zeya served as the Executive Secretary to the Board". Who "served as Deputy Executive Secretaries to Hillary Clinton and Condoleeza Rice". Point being Zeya has been part of the SD way prior to all these dramas. Not saying she is not shady.

Dunno. Nice to remember the nostalgic past. But, I just do not see the same India today or moving forward. And, as I see it, the US needs India more than India needs the US. ??????

With such a change, I undertsand it well, that threads like these will wither. No ras.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 15 Sep 2016 01:47

She won't win against Trump. Looks more and more she is destined to lose.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 15 Sep 2016 03:31

http://www.firstpost.com/world/bilatera ... 04210.html
Bilateral investment treaty between India, US will help boost investor confidence: Richard Verma
PTI Sep 14, 2016 16:54 IST
New Delhi: The US on Wednesday expressed willingness to have a bilateral investment treaty with India that will boost investor confidence and help increase size of bilateral trade.
"I continue to believe that a bilateral investment treaty between the two countries will help boost investor confidence... and establish effective dispute resolution so that companies and investors searching for destination can put their money," US Ambassador to India Richard Verma said on Wednesday.
"I feel they want to know if there is a treaty or a system in place where they can resolve disputes and protect their investments. And we don't have that with India. We have bilateral investment treaty with dozens of other countries, but we would like to certainly have one with India."
Verma was speaking at the 12th Indo-US Economic Summit organised by the North India Council of Indo-American Chamber of Commerce (AICC-NIC).
He also said there is a need to push innovation in India so that the target of raising the bilateral trade size to USD 500 billion could be met.
India and the US are targeting a four-fold jump in bilateral trade to USD 500 billion in the near future, which stood at nearly USD 110 billion in 2015.
According to Verma, unless there is a push for innovation, it will take years to reach that figure.....
Gautam

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 15 Sep 2016 03:44

Trump will win in a landslide .he will be good for. India

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 15 Sep 2016 03:58

^^ don't know about if he will be good for India.

Hillary's secrecy is coming back to hurt her.

Amoghvarsha · Post by **Amoghvarsha** » 15 Sep 2016 04:19

Rahul M wrote:frankly, as an Indian citizen I would certainly prefer drumf over the klingon. the later is a history sheeter as far as we are concerned.
US citizens may have other prerogatives but to imagine a klingon administration as anything less than subversive to Indian interests would be a mistake.

Haan Ji?

I thought Hillary Auntie would follow the democrat initiative of having deeper relations with India.But seems the opinion on BR is that Trump Chacha is better for Indian interests.

I wonder what is the reason?

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 15 Sep 2016 06:08

Amoghvarsha wrote:Haan Ji?

I thought Hillary Auntie would follow the democrat initiative of having deeper relations with India.But seems the opinion on BR is that Trump Chacha is better for Indian interests.

I wonder what is the reason?

There's a saying in Eastern UP,

"कोउ बड़-छोट कहत अपराधु.."

A rough translation would be- Nigh impossible to say who's the bigger devil.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 15 Sep 2016 06:17

Rudradev wrote:Whatever one may think of Trump... he doesn't have a Huma Abedin, or anything close to that, in his circle.

1) Manafort doesn't occupy a position in Trump's campaign that admits a level of influence even remotely close to what Abedin wields over Hillary... he is not even Trump's campaign manager anymore, that position has been taken over by Kellyanne Conway. In contrast, Abedin has been virtually a member of the Clinton family for decades, and has been Hillary's confidante in all work-related matters at least since Hillary became SOS.
----snip-----

Something to keep in mind when contemplating the lesser (or greater) of two evils running for the 2016 US Presidential Election.

It is often said that even Bill has to take permisison to meet Hillary. It is that serious.
Hillary has said Abedin is more like family and she trusts her completely.
Trump does not have anyone remotely to trustworthy. But he is sort of self made that he can change his mind like his shirt every few hours.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 15 Sep 2016 06:19

On cue.

'President Trump' would cost U.S. economy $1 trillion

Oxford Economics found that if fully implemented, Trump's economic, tax and immigration policies would cost 4 million U.S. jobs, weigh down global growth and U.S. consumer spending, and could spark a trade war with other nations.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 15 Sep 2016 07:35

NGOs, kejri-aruna roy-medha patkar, human rights, lutyens delhi or mumbai shobha de types are aligned to be billary army.

Once I saw documentary on usa presidents speech writers and she said "when you writing a speech for president its like hitting a tennis ball with a giant super heavy racket; so you have to hit it very very gently as every word and change of policy has huge impact...", now in such a powerful office huma abedin the isi asset will have every piece of intelligence to pass on to porkis, with full backing of billary.

So far no one like that seems in trump camp. Also sending secret delegation to gujarat looking for mass graves as billary did, could not have been done by trump. She is pure poison.

Hopefully trump wins. He will try his best to promote evangelist crusade but more openly, while kerry-hillary types do it stealthily. Also trump won't have at least anybody to help porkistan or islamic state cause; trump won't do much against them as all politician don't do what they say when they get the post, but he and his team won't be as enthusiastic as billary-huma & co.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 15 Sep 2016 10:45

IF Trump is elected:

1) He will make India (and other nations like China and Germany) balance the trade imbalance. In short India will have to buy more from the US
2) He is bound to curtail, if not totally eliminate the H-1B visa category
3) No more out sourcing (pretty much of anything)
4) He will not believe or subscribe to MII

5) I expect him to expect India to take a much harder position on Muslims, to the extent perhaps even
6) expect India to produce tactical nuclear weapons and use them in local hotbeds of ISIS - perhaps BD as an example
7) Or even in Kashmir

He will not tolerate Public enterprises or pressure privatization, including education
9) He will place greater emphasis on Western, within it on English norms

10) I expect him to manipulate everything to the benefit of the US

11) He will not negotiate (for the most part)

Those are my expectations of him.