India-US relations: News and Discussions III

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 18 Sep 2016 03:28

If Hillary wins she will be India's problem.
If Trump wins he will be world's problem.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhGKnSZ8U18

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 18 Sep 2016 04:05

either HRC or DT,
it does not matter to us(non us citizens)

what matters is how will they respond and move forward on the Indo US relations.

in this regard, HRC is well known being with breaking India forces.

DT is unknown relatively in this regrard.
Also he is sort of guy the US Deep state establishment fears and does not like. Even they don't know him fully.

There will be sometime before they fully understand him-- if he follows what the establishment wants - it is same as HRC. no net gain to India.

But if he has a mind of his own and fights against establishment- it will keep the govt somewhat on tebderhooks with daily skirmishes and less ability to needle India. so some breathing space relatively for us.

If he is clever enough, he can make America great again. There might be something for India with its large manpower.
I believe America cant be great in true sense without some outside countries with large populations like china and India.

I can be proved wrong. I have nothing to argue against honestly.

But overall better to have DT as president as we(non us citizens) have some chance against establishment.

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No US president nominee has challenged Nixon tilt towards china Pakistan axis till DT talked about it.
This alone should get us(Indian citizens) interested in him.

Paarth · Post by **Paarth** » 18 Sep 2016 04:30

going by the facts any Indian origin person knowing HRC's stand on nationalist forces in India still want to vote to HRC and supports her is doing a disservice to India.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 18 Sep 2016 04:39

krisna wrote:either HRC or DT,
it does not matter to us(non us citizens)

what matters is how will they respond and move forward on the Indo US relations.

In a perception battle mukhota matters a lot - infact it may be the single most important factor.
So the deepstate wont delegitimize its own president so soon into his office - by immediately foisting on him their priority on issues which are completely opposite to what the newly minted president has claimed through out his presidential campaign.
They will reprioritize to go fast on some & go slow on some according to the incoming presidents rhetoric - only for a while.

Example:
They(deepstate) may go relatively fast on pressuring pak to deter China's ingress to Indian ocean, or they may go fast in engineering an Islamist uprising in Xinjiang to target China-Russia energy links etc.
Previously above two may have been on a lower priority but as DT targeted Pakis & China in his election campaign - they may pushed into higher priority.Who knows this may even lessen the drive on plan to separate Kashmir & to plans which aim to install a more pliable govt in India(AAP-Congi nexus) as they will need the cooperation of Modi to put pressure on China-Pak.

Similarly they may put their human rights attack dogs on a tighter leash in the interim because they may need to put up with some burkha bans or internal Islamist prosecution/persecution (ala france) in USA to match their presidents preelection rhetoric against Islamism.

So India may get a breather of say 2 years if DT gets elected (as destabilizing India gets pushed to relatively lesser priority) .
If Hillary gets elected, heat is on India immediately & massively as she will press for a regime change and situation is likely to be created where NaMo is prevented from even contesting for reelection & we may have to putup with Jaitley as a compromise PM or worse AAP-Congi nexus will be back in power by 2019.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 18 Sep 2016 05:31

Guys-- no unnecessary dhoti shiver.. India has grown in relative power and BJP has evolved its organization and social media warrirors to a state where no US president can dictate who can be PM of India. At best they can put hindrances but only at their own peril. Even a Cheen pasand like HC cannot go pro-China given the US deep state has woken up to Chinese threat finally and Cheen are increasingly asserting and being aggressive against US.

The alliance with India is now a deep state initiative. Thats why you see it continue under both ROP (Bush) and Dems (Obama). Only some elements such as part of State Dept and old cold war relics that are out of touch with reality are anti-India now.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 18 Sep 2016 06:15

No dhotishibber nor bravado
Its just that there is a decision to make for PIF on whom to support b/w trump & hillary.

Moreover my experience till now is that equal equal b/w DT & Hillary is often the argument of Hillary supporters.

schinnas wrote:The alliance with India is now a deep state initiative. Thats why you see it continue under both ROP (Bush) and Dems (Obama). Only some elements such as part of State Dept and old cold war relics that are out of touch with reality are anti-India now.

They are allied to which segment in India...?
The liberal-sikular-dienastic segment or the nationalist segment ?
Obviously not the nationalist segment as a weak state & a pliable govt will suit massa's interests quite well.
Knowing that one can never be more careful in dealing with massa when a govt not suited to their longterm interests is in power.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 18 Sep 2016 06:18

MaharathiArjun wrote:going by the facts any Indian origin person knowing HRC's stand on nationalist forces in India still want to vote to HRC and supports her is doing a disservice to India.

Similar noises were made when Obama was being elected as well.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 18 Sep 2016 06:25

How much RE does Trump owns in desh?

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 18 Sep 2016 07:11

The Park Residential Complex in Mumbai also known as the Trump Tower is the most prominent, but the Trump group has more properties as well.

Trump Tower Mumbai - Worli

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 18 Sep 2016 07:11

MaharathiArjun wrote:going by the facts any Indian origin person knowing HRC's stand on nationalist forces in India still want to vote to HRC and supports her is doing a disservice to India.

It is far more complex than that. WRT IOP, sure a lot more can be done. But it has nothing to do with HRC. On the flip side there is a lot that Indians within India can do - for themselves. And, the latter is more critical at this point in time.

schinnas wrote: The alliance with India is now a deep state initiative

There is a very, very, very thin slice that can be called an alliance. And that is true even within the US - although it has been growing some. But it can be easily undone too.

Just check out the Kerry effort in Syria with the Russians. Carter took off on the deal. So, SD came to an agreement that the DoD opposed. There is a very similar dynamics with India. Not all Americans (within the establishment) favor the deals with India. And, we should not expect it to be a smooth sailing trip either.

In fact, I would (have) argued that a more contentious relationship favors India - it shows that India is at the high table. Same with China, Russia (FGFA?), etc. No one is going to invite India to the high table. India/ns will have to fight a very bloody fight to get to that table, which is rightfully so. (Not waiting for some spin doctors.)

Anyways.

Trump. Talking to a Republican NRI. He mentioned something very interesting. Trump will slap a tariff on anything that comes within the US that he feels has taken a job out of the US.

As it applies to India:
* The high cost of a H-1B visa will be retained
* No reduction in H-1B visas, but a H-1B holder will have to be paid the wages of a US citizen. "Salary parity" is what - I think - they are calling it
* On MII. India can be a manufacturing hub, but any product that hits US shores and deemed to take away a US job (as Trump has been saying about moving jobs to Mexico), he will impose a tariff to compensate for the loss of the job
* Trump is aware that the price of products will go up.

GShankar · Post by **GShankar** » 18 Sep 2016 07:56

"small" bomb blast in a dumpster in NYC. Earlier in the morning, there was a blast in jersey shore. All this can only help DT.

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 18 Sep 2016 07:57

https://youtu.be/k767cjPA35k

Absolutely terrific video. Long but worth watching. terrific editing. Someone knows what they are doing.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 18 Sep 2016 08:00

vijayk wrote:Hillary ain't winning. Trust me! India has to deal with Trumo

I feel the same way. He has all the momentum.

arun · Post by **arun** » 18 Sep 2016 09:49

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

Despite a solid track record of duplicitous behaviour damaging US National Interests, the US Military continues to remain deeply enamoured of the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Status of Major Non NATO Ally (MuNNA) was not bestowed for no reason and the steadfast love for the Uniformed Jihadi’s by the likes of Brig. Charles “Chuck” Yeager is no accident.

Seema Sirohi reports that US Department of Defense funded National Defense University (NDU) has banned academics deemed unfriendly to Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. The banned academics are Dr. C. Christine Fair and former Ambassador of the Islamic Republic to the US, Hussain Haqqani aka “Good Haqqani”.

Indian policy makers should note the reflexive behaviour of the US establishment to support the Uniformed Jihadis of the Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and be circumspect in dealing with the US despite the current bonhomie. They should also study and take tips from the Uniformed Jihadi’s on how to manipulate the US:

Pakistan continues playing the victim card to reap maximum military benefits from the US

Mukesh.Kumar · Post by **Mukesh.Kumar** » 18 Sep 2016 22:38

Breaking: New York hit by bomb blast.
http://www.bbc.com/news/live/37399898

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 19 Sep 2016 02:17

schinnas wrote:Guys-- no unnecessary dhoti shiver....

There is no shivering, data from past acts and behavious is being coldly calculated here in think-tank Bharat-Rakshak, please stop your jean-shivering and labeling the analysis with derogatory lables !

When Hillary sits in that chair, all these brigades are already organised behind her with military discipline against Bharat :

1. Sonia & Party, Aruna Roy, Medha Patkar, Suzzane Roy, christian Kavita Krishna, christian Sagrika Ghose, christian burkha dutt...

2. AAP ~ controlled by Ford Foundation, ford is also hillary friends just now condemned by trump.

3. Porki establishment

4. Elite snobbish delhi lutyens and mumbai lutyens like shobha de etc.

5. China gets full relief.

6. Narayan murty type sepoys dependent on exports to US will be used to contrive new accusations against NaMo every 6 hours.

While trump may also end up as our enemy like hillary, but his nature is more A-10 type loud and unstealthy, while hillary is full stealth F-35 mode. Look how many of deshwasis support her and that bill guy too.

The first two years hopefully trump will create lot of trouble with set channels among democrats-porkis-cheenis, whereas hillary will fit in smoothly to snipe at NaMo and Bharatvarsh.

If I remember correctly the expression like "Dhoti-Shiver" was forbidden just like "c" hinks or "j" aps as it makes racist statement against a culture or civilization.

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 19 Sep 2016 02:55

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nin ... gs-n650081

Nine people were hurt in a knife rampage at a Minnesota mall Saturday night in which the attacker made references to Allah, authorities said.
The suspect was shot dead by an off-duty police officer during the attack at the Crossroads Mall in St. Cloud, which began around 8 p.m. (9 p.m. ET), St. Cloud Police Chief Blair Anderson told reporters.
"An armed suspect entered the Crossroads Mall. That individual made some references to Allah, and we have confirmed that he asked at least one person if they were Muslim before he assaulted them," Anderson said.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Sep 2016 06:52

Three terrorist attacks in one day in US. The St. Cloud Mn, knife attack looks like lone wolf but ISIS took credit. The Somali community as usual was deeply shocked.
The NYC had two pressure cooker bombs of which one went off and other fizzled. One person was seen dragging a duffle bag from which these two bombs were taken out and placed by two others.
The NJ bomb was same type.

So looks like Boston marathon bomb style.
Lots of injured an fortunnately no dead except for the St. Cloud attacker.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 19 Sep 2016 07:44

Trump will gain a few percentage points from these events, I would think.

On another note, was listening to Mark Cuban and he mentioned that Carl Icahn, who is advising Trump on financial matters, etc, has a net short position of a 149%!!!!! He should be expecting Trump to win. It means that Icahn is equating a Trump win with a market crash!!!! IF true, then that is a dastardly position to take. The very people who are the core of Trump's votes would be the people who would be hit the hardest.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 19 Sep 2016 08:13

While trump may also end up as our enemy like hillary, but his nature is more A-10 type loud and unstealthy, while hillary is full stealth F-35 mode. Look how many of deshwasis support her and that bill guy too.

^^^ wise insight that

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 19 Sep 2016 09:52

CNN Edits Out Hillary's Reference To NYC Explosion As "Bombing"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-1 ... on-bombing

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 19 Sep 2016 10:02

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... egacy.html

Obomber is seriously fearing DT win or what?

CNN is acting too idiotic.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-1 ... on-bombing

habal · Post by **habal** » 19 Sep 2016 10:47

If Rothschild & Rockefeller back hillary, then they can easily crash the stock market in case Trump wins. Icahn is right.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 19 Sep 2016 10:58

http://www.huffingtonpost.in/2016/09/18 ... e-goodall/

How far the leftist press has fallen.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 19 Sep 2016 18:15

NRao wrote: On another note, was listening to Mark Cuban and he mentioned that Carl Icahn, who is advising Trump on financial matters, etc, has a net short position of a 149%!!!!! He should be expecting Trump to win. It means that Icahn is equating a Trump win with a market crash!!!! IF true, then that is a dastardly position to take. The very people who are the core of Trump's votes would be the people who would be hit the hardest.

Carl Icahn has publicly refused to be a part of Trump's economic policy team.

Carl Icahn is at the moment 150% net short of the market and he has been quite bearish for over 18 months before Trump entered the race.

disha · Post by **disha** » 19 Sep 2016 21:27

Note: NY/NJ pressure cooker bombs are 'Gokul Chaat, Hyderabad' class IEDs.They have been tried and tested in Hyderabad, India before making its way to the US shores. Let every body in your circle know this.

Also look at the targeting pattern. Injury but no outright deaths. Gums up the system, creating major psychosis but what will US do? Deport the baki? Or life sentence?

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 20 Sep 2016 00:01

Market is going to go down irrespective of who wins, market has been bullish since 2009 and it is time for the bear market to take over, just your usual cyclic boom and bust.

chaitanya · Post by **chaitanya** » 20 Sep 2016 05:24

If anyone had doubts...

Rahami Spent Nearly a Year in Pakistan

Ahmad Rahami traveled to Pakistan in 2005 and returned in January 2006, according to an U.S. official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Sep 2016 06:49

^^^^

ramana wrote:The latest NY/NJ pressure cooker bomber Ahmad Khan Rahami visited Pakistan many times undetected by US agencies.
If any one recalls Hillary Clinton had warned Pakistan of severe consequences after NY Times Square failed bomber Fiasal Shahzad incident if there was repeat.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 20 Sep 2016 07:22

panduranghari wrote:
NRao wrote: On another note, was listening to Mark Cuban and he mentioned that Carl Icahn, who is advising Trump on financial matters, etc, has a net short position of a 149%!!!!! He should be expecting Trump to win. It means that Icahn is equating a Trump win with a market crash!!!! IF true, then that is a dastardly position to take. The very people who are the core of Trump's votes would be the people who would be hit the hardest.
Carl Icahn has publicly refused to be a part of Trump's economic policy team.

Carl Icahn is at the moment 150% net short of the market and he has been quite bearish for over 18 months before Trump entered the race.

That comment was made by Bad Boy Mark Cuban.

However, Icahn moved, fairly recently, from 49% to 149%. That is what Cuban was referring to.

On the topic of that the market declines (actually the word they use is "correction"), Cuban was quoted as saying that the market could "correction" of more than 20%. I have not check, but that should be perhaps the largest "correction" during change in Presidency I would think. ?????

On the policy team:

Here's Why Carl Icahn Declined to Join Donald Trump's Economic Team

“FEC (Federal Election Commission) rules would limit that activity if Mr. Icahn were to become directly involved in the campaign by joining the council,” Lynn said.

Lynn is Icahn's General Counsel. Icahn is prepping Trump for the debate on the 26th.

Cuban is Trump in another form, but he does know what he is talking about. Like Trump he does add some masala to the topic and he has always admired Trump as a real estate expert. All Cuban is saying is that Trump is not serious about the Presidency (Trump has not picked up topics that he needs to, wings things, does NOT like to read, has not used emails, etc - all per Cuban).

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 20 Sep 2016 10:25

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp ... 125720.ece

Interesting take.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 20 Sep 2016 17:22

Yagnasri wrote:Donald Trump, a contrarian view

Interesting take.

Interesting indeed. Thanks for posting it. Considering TP is an ex-amby it does carry a good deal of weight. But, he seems to have a totally different read than what the voters have so far expected out of Trump - the divide is rather pronounced.

I found this to be oxymoronic:

He seems to have abandoned the idea of banning Muslim immigration, building a wall between the U.S. and Mexico and stopping all migration and outsourcing. He has realised the value of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, even though he still believes that the partners should pay for the services they receive. But he is capable of thinking out of the box and this may well be the reason why he is still neck and neck in the race with Ms. Clinton today

If he has backed out of his most out-of-the-box thinking, what else is left?

Furthermore, his voter backing was for those extreme positions. IF Trump has really backed out of them, then Trump has taken a more familiar position of those he beat in the primaries. ?????? So, who is the real Trump?

No matter. It is a very interesting take. Worth referring to as I go along.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 20 Sep 2016 17:32

There is no clear indication of him abandoning anything. He just needs not say it at this point in time. He is saying things like extreme vetting ( we do not know what it means) etc. words and banning people from terror and conflict-ridden nations and areas. Thanks to Billary and Obomber that covers most of the OIC members at present.

He is also speaking from the prompter, and his speeches are being controlled at this point. All he need to wait for few of terror attacks on the US to take place ( and they will) and stay on course like that.

sappunni · Post by **sappunni** » 20 Sep 2016 20:06

And here comes the Pakistani connection to the NY, NJ bombings. The wife is a Pakistani and along with the bomber's mother have gone back.

Wife and mother of Ahmad Khan Rahami left the country just days before New Jersey and New York bombings
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.2799294

NY-NJ Bombings Suspect Visited Taliban Stronghold in Pakistan

http://abcnews.go.com/US/ny-nj-bombings ... d=42214798

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 20 Sep 2016 20:49

Same modus operandi above with San Bernardino... any link to Pakistan is poison.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 20 Sep 2016 20:52

Y,

I would tend to agree with most of your post (Republicans and Democrats have courted the ME for totally different reasons, but that is another matter).

However, Trump in office can take one of two paths: continue with the teleprompter or veer way right (which is his natural domain). Either way he is going to cause an imbalance.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 20 Sep 2016 22:17

Any military action by India will be condemned by Washington, says former Obama adviser

NEW DELHI: The spirited calls for revenge notwithstanding, India will have to carefully think through any military response as a cross-border strike will almost certainly lead to international condemnation.

While many in India dismiss the nuclear threat from across the border as Pakistani blustering, the fact is that Islamabad has prepared for years for a low-intensity conflict with India, most notably by arming itself with tactical or non-strategic nuclear weapons which are meant to deter any incursion by Indian forces.‎ Pakistan has wanted to use these low-yield weapons to check the asymmetry with India in conventional warfare.

America's foremost security expert and former senior adviser on South Asia to at least 4 US presidents, including Barack Obama, Bruce Riedel actually told TOI that India had ‎"no good military option" to stop Pakistani supported cross border violence in Kashmir.

"Any military response in Pakistan risks escalation and will be condemned by the international community including Washington," said Riedel.

"A better approach would be to seek diplomatic support for labeling Pakistan a patron state sponsor of terrorism," he added.

Riedel is not among those who continue to live in denial about India-specific terrorism perpetrated by state or non-state entities in Pakistan and had earlier this year blamed the ISI for the attack on the Pathankot airbase. He had then said that ISI had used Jaish e Mohammed (JeM), a terror group it helped create and which is accused of having carried out the Uri attack,‎ to target the Pathankot airbase.

However, purely a diplomatic response meant to get Pakistan declared a sponsor of terrorism is unlikely to satisfy many NDA government supporters who have been fed t‎he line for over 2 years now that India has the capability, as also the will, to steamroll Pakistan if it didn't mend its ways.

In any case, the limitations of such an option were laid bare this year when China blocked UN action against Masood Azhar, the chief of JeM, despite India putting out evidence that JeM was responsible for the Pathankot attack.‎ It is unlikely that the Uri attack will have any impact on the position taken by China that Azhar is just a bilateral issue between India and Pakistan.

The government has declared that it won't allow the perpetrators of Uri to go unpunished but it will need to absorb any likely threat from Pakistan's tactical nukes before it decides to act. Islamabad has developed the 60-km nuclear-capable Nasr missile specifically to deter any Indian cold start, a euphism for quick and unified offensive operations by Indian forces on Pakistan territory in the event of a Mumbai-like attack.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 410794.cms

Yup just keep giving these beti%*%(*%(*d americans LEMOA so they can load up fuel water and food from us, keep buying their phat panting teen aircrafts, while they deny engine tech.... Such a great all weather friends.

rgosain · Post by **rgosain** » 20 Sep 2016 22:31

Right before we all start wetting our knickers just to remind you all that Bruce Reidel is an apologist for PRC-Pak, and has in the passed coached the pakistanis on doctrine and encouraged them to field the Nasr that was provided via the PRC. He was at the Brookings and usually participates in seminars sponsored by the 3.5 patrons.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Sep 2016 22:34

rgosain wrote:Right before we all start wetting our knickers just to remind you all that Bruce Reidel is an apologist for PRC-Pak, and has in the past coached the pakistanis on doctrine and encouraged them to field the Nasr that was provided via the PRC. He was at the Brookings and usually participates in seminars sponsored by the 3.5 patrons.

Correct. That guy is an out and out Paki.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 20 Sep 2016 22:49

Paki he may be, but he is right about this. If we strike across IB we will face international condemnation, including from the US.

I am NOT saying that this is a reason why we shouldn't strike across IB. If it is in our interest we should do it, condemnation or not.

Condemnation was in full flow in 1971 but didn't save the TSPA at Dhaka.