India-Russia: News & Analysis

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 23 Sep 2016 18:33

No.seizing the opportunity to set foot on Paki soil They've waited from the 19th century for that privilege! Here's an intersting report.Nice point,that "security begins in the village".Something that we must remember too.

Russia's Grain May Soon Bring in More Gold Than Oil © Sputnik/ Artem Kreminsky

RUSSIA 13:53 23.09.2016(updated 14:24 23.09.2016) Get short URL 51636230 Amid a record-setting harvest, Russia's agricultural sector is giving the Russian economy a powerful and much-needed boost; according to some observers, the sector even has the potential to gradually wean the country off its dependence on the export of hydrocarbons. Earlier this month, the UN's Food and Agriculture Organization projected a record grain harvest for Russia, with the US Department of Agriculture following suit, saying that Russian grain exports now exceed those of the US. This year, the country is expected to produce about 64 million metric tons of wheat, with the total grain harvest expected to reach between 113 and 116 million tons. This would mean exceeding contemporary Russia's previous record – set in 2008 when farmers produced 108.2 million tons of grain. About 40 million tons from this year's harvest is expected to be exported, up from the 32 million tons exported last year. © SPUTNIK/ ALEXEY VITVITSKY A Rotten Policy: Sour Polish Fruit Growers Protest Anti-Russian Sanctions Amid the bumper crop bonanza, which is becoming a regular occurrence as the Russian agro-industrial complex takes advantage of sanctions on European food products, some officials are beginning to suggest that agriculture may soon turn into a major tool helping to ease the country's dependence on oil and gas exports as a percentage of its exports earnings. Earlier this month, analysts calculated that Russia's agriculture had already surpassed arms trade as a percentage of the country's exports. Moreover, Minister of Agriculture Alexander Tkachev anticipated that by 2030, the grain harvest could reach 130 million tons annually. © SPUTNIK/ VITALIY TIMKIV Combine harvester works the fields in southern Russia's Krasnodar Territory On Thursday, former Moscow Mayor Yuri Luzhkov, who has become somewhat of an farming connoisseur in his own right since he stepped down from his post in 2010, said that the ostensible rebirth of Russia's agriculture is great news. The politician emphasized that apart from replacing hydrocarbons with something edible, the resurrection of agriculture has a philosophical importance – for Russians, he noted, farm work "returns us to our origins and identity, borne in the depths of our people, about our land." © PHOTO: PIXABAY Iranians Over the Moon After Russians Make ‘Reindeer Meat Kebab’ Possible Duma lawmaker Vladimir Kashin emphasized that he too was happy to see the rebirth of agriculture, emphasizing that "the country's security begins in the village." Throughout the 1990s, under the guidance of liberal economists including as Yegor Gaidar and Anatoly Chubais, Russian agriculture was consigned to the role of a budgetary 'black hole'. Now, in the last decade or so, and especially since the beginning of the sanctions war with the EU, that is changing, to the point where Russia has the potential to become an agricultural superpower. Speaking to the independent online newspaper Svobodnaya Pressa, Elena Turina, general director of the Moscow-based Institute of Agricultural Marketing, emphasized that grain exports are just the beginning. "We have become a world leader in grain exports; furthermore, we are coming close to a level where we can take up a leading position as a major exporter of pork and poultry, and after that – of field vegetables. If we put in the necessary effort, we can achieve good results in the export of dairy products as well. In fact, we already have a good export potential, and not just in food products of all sorts, but in feedstock as well." © SPUTNIK/ ANTON DENISOV Farmer Oleg Sirota rearranges cheese blocks in the cheese ripening room at Russian Parmesan cheese dairy is Moscow Region's Istrinsky district According to Turina, the import-substitution programs introduced in 2015, which made use of state financial support, benefitted Russian farmers significantly. The programs, she noted, "provided the Russian agro-industrial complex with serious momentum…Moreover, special attention was paid specifically to those segments previously filled with imports; 2015-2016 saw a 15% increase in the production of fruits and vegetables – specifically from the list of items which had been imported from abroad prior to these measures." YOUTUBE / SPUTNIK Russian Unmanned Agrobot Puts the Fun Back Into Farming According to the expert, Russian agriculture's "main resource is farmland itself, which, unfortunately still isn't being used to its fullest potential. A great deal of hope has been placed in the new technologies now being introduced, which will generate greater profitability for producers, while increasing output as well." Noting that it's difficult to say whether agriculture could really come to compete with the oil industry in terms of export earnings, Turina noted that "in any case, sooner or later, we will have to move away from this dependence on raw materials – to get off the 'needle' so to speak. The situation in the oil market, according to most experts' forecasts, will remain complex for a very long time. An average price of $45-47 per barrel means an obvious lack of revenues from exports, and points to the need to find other sources of income." In any case, even if Russia cannot rely on agricultural exports outstripping the earnings brought in by hydrocarbons, at least in the short term it can, at the very least, count on food security.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/russia/20160923 ... rbons.html

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 23 Sep 2016 18:36

Russia approves $2 bln worth sale of 23.2% in Rosneft’s affiliate to Indian consortium
Business & Economy
September 23, 15:59 UTC+3

MOSCOW, September 23. /TASS/. The government commission on foreign investments approved the deal between Russian oil major Rosneft and the consortium of Indian companies on acquisition of the 23.9% stake in Rosneft’s affiliate Vankorneft for $2 bln, head of the Russian Federal Antimonopoly Service Igor Artemyev said on Friday.

"$2 bln for 23.9% (in Vankorneft). That is, $1.2 bln were approved earlier [the stake purchased by India’s ONGC], $2 bln approved today and the next stake will respectively cost about $2 bln [buyer - Vankor India Pte. - TASS). The total price will be about $5 bln. This is definitely a mega-deal because oil and gas volumes currently controlled by this company are the largest field in Russia and actually one of the largest globally," Artemyev said.

More:
http://tass.com/economy/901852?_ga=1.23 ... 1462511035

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 23 Sep 2016 18:38

http://www.firstpost.com/world/india-ru ... 17764.html
India, Russia must abandon client-patron approach, should rejig ties to suit new world order
Over the past decade, a lot has been written about India's drift towards the United States. Although vehemently denied by Delhi, its larger and more varied arms purchases from the United States, growing economic relations, a greater frequency of official visits at several levels, and a higher tempo of military joint exercises have led many to believe that the United States is India's new preferred partner. The occasional disagreements, such as the one over the Logistics Support Agreement that was recently resolved, are dismissed as residual anti-Americanism in the political class and commentariat that spent the Cold War singing praises of the Soviet Union and China.
More importantly, this drift is believed to come at the expense of Russia, the successor state to India's Cold War patron, the Soviet Union. While there may be some truth to this view, it grossly underestimates the value of cooperation between the two countries in strategic areas — nuclear energy, the INS Arihant, fifth generation fighter aircraft, Brahmos — while exaggerating the zero-sum element of Delhi's relations with Moscow and Washington. Russia remains important to India, but admittedly, the relationship holds significantly greater potential than is being derived today.
One of the marked differences between India's relationship with Russia and the United States over the past 15 years has been the presence of a willing leader in the case of the latter, at times just on one side, to shepherd ties through the traditional hoops. At first, it was the Atal Bihari Vajpayee administration and George W Bush White House that dared to imagine a different India-US dynamic than that during the Cold War. After the exit of the Bharatiya Janata Party from power in 2004, Manmohan Singh continued the trend for a while, though less support from his own political party tempered the bloom.
With Russia, there has existed no such leader either in Delhi or Moscow who was committed to building a new relationship for the 21st century. Despite the several arenas of cooperation between the two countries, initiatives have largely remained isolated and not part of any common plan to develop connections across the spectrum, and at multiple levels. For example, despite the nascence of Russia's relations with India's rival, Pakistan, there exists a strategic working group that oversees different areas of mutual interest and coordinates joint initiatives. There exists no such mechanism in Indian ventures with Russia.
As the sources of India's military hardware diversify, its joint military exercises with Russia have reduced and with it the familiarity between the two militaries. However, the Indian and Russian armed forces have, historically, not been close. It is rare to see officers in exchange programmes or taking professional courses at each other's military institutes. In all likelihood, there is little interaction between strategists of the two countries over key issues, such as nuclear strategy or counter-terrorism, as you see Indian scholars engage with US and other Western militaries and think tanks.
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Gautam

Amoghvarsha · Post by **Amoghvarsha** » 23 Sep 2016 20:11

UNDIE Tv reports that Russia Pak exercise will indeed be in Gilgit Baltistan part of POK.

Massive snub by Putin to Modi.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 23 Sep 2016 20:13

Amoghvarsha wrote:UNDIE Tv reports that Russia Pak exercise will indeed be in Gilgit Baltistan part of POK.

Massive snub by Putin to Modi.

Yes, seems like it.

We are in process of realignment.

It's a containment light strategy. China matters more to them. Not India.

Expect another foundational agreement will be signed.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 23 Sep 2016 20:18

Is it because of China? Because Russia still can/will still get billions of dollars worth of defense purchases from India.

Bharadwaj · Post by **Bharadwaj** » 23 Sep 2016 20:21

If that is the case, we should drop fgfa,s-400 and nuke submarine talks and get on with building an AHCA instead of AMCA in co operation with either dassault or saab. Sounds like a knee jerk reaction but let the bear shake down the pakis for whatever little money they have left....

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 23 Sep 2016 20:22

Karthik S wrote:Is it because of China? Because Russia still can/will still get billions of dollars worth of defense purchases from India.

Things are changing.

As India begins to invest more in its own military industrial complex the level of imports will gradually decline.

They know this too.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 23 Sep 2016 20:23

Bharadwaj wrote:If that is the case, we should drop fgfa,s-400 and nuke submarine talks and get on with building an AHCA instead of AMCA in co operation with either dassault or saab. Sounds like a knee jerk reaction but let the bear shake down the pakis for whatever little money they have left....

They still need us to balance China.

It's a very light snub.

They are politely telling India, "We can keep it to this small exercise in a sensitive area, or we can expand cooperation, your choice!"

chaitanya · Post by **chaitanya** » 23 Sep 2016 20:36

Does it have to be a snub? What if they do their exercise and then later give intel about paki and chinese positions and readiness?

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 23 Sep 2016 20:37

chaitanya wrote:Does it have to be a snub? What if they do their exercise and then later give intel about paki and chinese positions and readiness?

Uh no. It's a balancing act. They gotta stretch their legs. Brave new world.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 23 Sep 2016 20:41

It is a snub simply because of the location, not the timing and certainly not the fact that Russia chose to do an exercise with Pakistan. It was pre-planned and calling it off because a terror attack on India would be far fetched. But the fact that the exercise was on Indian territory illegally occupied by Pakistan is a massive snub.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 23 Sep 2016 20:54

Chandragupta wrote:It is a snub simply because of the location, not the timing and certainly not the fact that Russia chose to do an exercise with Pakistan. It was pre-planned and calling it off because a terror attack on India would be far fetched. But the fact that the exercise was on Indian territory illegally occupied by Pakistan is a massive snub.

Agree but don't think its far fetched to call of an exercise after an attack like Uri.

Location as you've said is key in all of this.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 23 Sep 2016 20:58

It is high time when US/Russia/France stop playing this cash cow game with India. Russia has to get used to it. Indian diplomacy is pragmatic and bold. We are NOT India of '70s when USSR could start strikes in India by paying 6000 Rupees. Russia has to deal with new confident India and get used to it. Meanwhile we have to have more-multilateral deals.

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 23 Sep 2016 21:01

Amoghvarsha wrote:UNDIE Tv reports that Russia Pak exercise will indeed be in Gilgit Baltistan part of POK.

Massive snub by Putin to Modi.

That's extremely disappointing if true. No doubt someone will come up with some kind of Chanakyan excuse and reasoning behind this but sometimes we should just accept what is staring us in the face.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 23 Sep 2016 21:13

is it great game played again with the current powers- usa china russia in Indian subcontinent.

All three see India only for markets and warm waters (not usa). Geography of china and russia helps in this.

During cold war, soviets needed friends with china going usa way. Hence India was a big prize for them.

For India, usa abandoned it for TSP. It was necessary during the superpower rivalry notwithstanding NAM.
The ruling govt then used astutely the Indo soviet friendship to its benefits.
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Now the rules of the game have changed.

Russia china usa are in the game.
India is a rising power. needs to be put it in its place.
circles were drawn during mms regime by hobling Indias growth. thru various mechanisms. To play in the game, one needs to have strong economy.

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NaMo and his team probably sensing the need to feed the millions thru economic development and also stay relevant to protect Indias turf has played his own.

There are no permanent friends only permanent interests for the country.

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No need to shed emotions tears for this saga.

This is not teleserials.
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History is replete with the above

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what should concern India is how we play our moves.
need more discussion on Indias response.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 23 Sep 2016 21:29

Like I said, another foundational agreement is coming. While I still haven't been sold completely on the Indo-US nuclear agreement, the architects did predict that we would move toward the US and Japan w/ considerable speed. Breaking Pakistan is our short to medium term objective. We will do another policy shift after that.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 23 Sep 2016 21:39

sorry if already posted:
There Must Be Traitors at the Top in Russia

From: russia-insider.com Read Later
There Must Be Traitors at the Top in Russia
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Originally appeared at Live Journal. Translated by Julia Rakhmetova

A huge foreign policy mistake is being made: a joint Russian-Pakistani military exercise in Kashmir!

India is not just offended, we risk losing an ally (and we will certainly not have Pakistan as an ally, because it is a US ally).

Pakistan’s wars in Kashmir killed more than a million Indians. Who decided to conduct Russian-Pakistani exercises? Either they are idiots, or these are machinations of Russia’s enemies. We need names!

Bheeshma · Post by **Bheeshma** » 23 Sep 2016 21:43

Goody. As long as IN is not forced to accept three more crappy talwars. It is inevitable , US will keep oil below $50 a barrel as it serves two purposes, one hurt Russia and reduce the Wahabbis economic muscle while selling them more weapons. Hopefully it will be end to S-400, Akula, Shtrom, PAK-FA and Grigoryvich nonsense and they will go the MTA way.

rajithn · Post by **rajithn** » 23 Sep 2016 21:57

The exercise is not in PoK. It is in Cherat. That is west of I-SLUM-abad.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 23 Sep 2016 22:16

Bheeshma wrote:Goody. As long as IN is not forced to accept three more crappy talwars. It is inevitable , US will keep oil below $50 a barrel as it serves two purposes, one hurt Russia and reduce the Wahabbis economic muscle while selling them more weapons. Hopefully it will be end to S-400, Akula, Shtrom, PAK-FA and Grigoryvich nonsense and they will go the MTA way.

What if Russian sell/give these to the pakis along with flankers and pakis buy them using some other ally's financial help? At the moment unfortunately, we can't afford to openly antagonize the Russians.

zoverian · Post by **zoverian** » 23 Sep 2016 22:33

@Karthik than i guess U.S will provide more sophisticate weapons to India....currently there seems to chaos among the asian countries and everyone wants to place their pawn in a strategic position to make a move in case the situation demands....

I guess russia has been influenced by china to establish the link with pakis.

The proximity towards pakistan can also be a signal towards india that its time to give some big deals to russia...

Sorry for the spell.....in a hurry

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 Sep 2016 22:46

rajithn wrote:The exercise is not in PoK. It is in Cherat. That is west of I-SLUM-abad.

Rus Embassy, India
‏@RusEmbIndia
The Russia-Pakistan antiterror exercise is not being held and will not be held in any point of so-called “Azad Kashmir” @ANI_news @PTI_News

Rus Embassy, India ‏@RusEmbIndia 1h1 hour ago
All reports alleging the drills taking place at the High Altitude Military School in Rattu are erroneous and mischievous @ndtv @ians_india

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 23 Sep 2016 22:47

Guys the report that the Russia-Pak exercises were to be in Gilgit-Baltistan... and hence a *"massive snub"/blow to Modi*... was from NDTV.

Serving three birds with one stone: (1) Damage Indo-Russian relations with insinuations and falsehoods, per the agenda of Western paymasters of NDTV (2) Assist the H&D of Pakis (3) Claim "blow to Modi", because even things that are against Indian interests are OK as long as they can be spun as "blow to Modi".

Will people never learn?

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 23 Sep 2016 22:49

Also Putin visit coming up next month I think. And he is not foolish.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 23 Sep 2016 22:49

NDTV ticker quoting Russian embassy denies report of exercising at POK but some place called Cherat if I read that name right.

Any ways the problem seems to be no one takes India seriously not even Pakistan , depending on Russia US or France goid will is a poor substitute of our inability to do any thing about terrorism and Pakistan.

Self respect is not given but earned , not even our enemy will respect us forget about our friends.

Let India should some backbone to hit terrorist in POK and take strict action decimating pok , let's see then who our friends are who stands by us in difficult times.

All this timidness from our leaders has made us laughing stock of nations

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 23 Sep 2016 22:50

For proud Russians still lucking their Afghanistan wound, Pakistan is an enemy state that helped bring down former USSR empire.

The joint exercise is not in PoK and was duly informed to India. However, one woukd have expected Russia to postpone the exercise after its strong statement of suport for India after Uri terror attack.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 23 Sep 2016 22:58

Cherat is the Hub station of the SSG. Would make eminent sense to base the exercise there.....Sort a like Chaubatia is for SFF (vikas).

Amoghvarsha · Post by **Amoghvarsha** » 24 Sep 2016 00:27

So another Undie ambush.

Anyways when Putin visits India next month 2 things must be made clear to him by Modi.

1.Russia was is and will remain our closest strategic ally and no LEMOA will change it.

2.Pakistan was is and will remain our biggest enemy and nothing will change it.

partha · Post by **partha** » 24 Sep 2016 01:03

Amoghvarsha wrote:So another Undie ambush.

Anyways when Putin visits India next month 2 things must be made clear to him by Modi.

1.Russia was is and will remain our closest strategic ally and no LEMOA will change it

Things like this are not forever. They should change according to the need of the hour and interests. Does Russia also consider India as the "closest strategic ally" forever? They are quite unlikely to interfere in case of an India-China war. I am sure policy makers in Delhi over the years have analyzed such scenarios before expanding relations with US.

Amoghvarsha · Post by **Amoghvarsha** » 24 Sep 2016 01:24

partha wrote:
Amoghvarsha wrote:So another Undie ambush.

Anyways when Putin visits India next month 2 things must be made clear to him by Modi.

1.Russia was is and will remain our closest strategic ally and no LEMOA will change it
Things like this are not forever. They should change according to the need of the hour and interests. Does Russia also consider India as the "closest strategic ally" forever? They are quite unlikely to interfere in case of an India-China war. I am sure policy makers in Delhi over the years have analyzed such scenarios before expanding relations with US.

For the forseeable future Russia is our strategic ally.And Russia has enough influence on China to stop China from interfering in case of Indo-Pak conflict.That is all we want.Another thing is that the russians arent too fond of the Chinese,the recent bonhomie is due to the sanctions on Russia and that wont last long.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 24 Sep 2016 01:36

We will have to see what Putin gives us.

There is only so much they can do to keep China in line.

They must be cursing them privately.

Amoghvarsha · Post by **Amoghvarsha** » 24 Sep 2016 01:56

RoyG wrote:We will have to see what Putin gives us.

There is only so much they can do to keep China in line.

They must be cursing them privately.

The moment Oil prices rise and they will,and the sanctions go expect Russians to take couple of steps away from China.Russians bonhomie with Chinese is a forced requirement and not real cosy relationship.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 24 Sep 2016 02:00

partha wrote:
Amoghvarsha wrote:So another Undie ambush.

Anyways when Putin visits India next month 2 things must be made clear to him by Modi.

1.Russia was is and will remain our closest strategic ally and no LEMOA will change it
Things like this are not forever. They should change according to the need of the hour and interests. Does Russia also consider India as the "closest strategic ally" forever? They are quite unlikely to interfere in case of an India-China war. I am sure policy makers in Delhi over the years have analyzed such scenarios before expanding relations with US.

Partha ji,

Consider the Russia-China border. It is vast. Many sections of it have been contested by China in the past. In 1969, the Chinese staged an attack on Zhenbao island, a USSR outpost in the Ussuri river, killing dozens of Soviet troops. Following this, the Russians had to waste a lot of military resources stationing multiple divisions on the very lengthy Russia-China border, which definitely took away from what they could spare to confront their primary enemy in the cold war, the USA.

As it happens, Moscow first approached India for a mutual defense pact in 1969! Any coincidence there? I think not. The fact is, they have always looked to us as a counterweight against China. They know that China is expansionist, and will invariably swell up to the extent that it tries to spill over and squat on Russian territory. More often than not these incursions will have the tacit, if not open backing of the PLA. With China's far larger population, this will lead to de-facto loss of Russian territory to Chinese landgrabs in the future. They need India to counteract this.

Russia cannot afford to face down the West and China at the same time. That is what screwed them in the Cold War. The Americans are not going to help the Russians contain China... so who will? Only someone who (a) has the capability and (b) faces in China a similar threat from the immediate neighbourhood. Vietnam is one such partner, but their capability is limited. India is the only other candidate.

Ironically, it was only in 1971 that India responded favorably to the Russian outreach for a mutual defense pact. They needed us before we needed them. They continue to need some counterweight to China, still. So it is not just about sentimentality and Raj Kapoor movies or even about arms sales. Russia does not want to alienate us, and the last people they will alienate us in favour of are the Pakis. Putin is not like the ossified morons of the US State Dept who still continue to look at India-Pakistan with the John Foster Dulles-initiated "equal-equal" mentality. As a KGB man of Afghan War vintage, he knows exactly what the Pakis are.

China is like the school bully whose only friends are the retard and the mongoloid idiot. The school bully, today, has a chance to run for student body president. So he has to make his "friends" look good to show that he has social relevance. The mongoloid idiot is exploding stink bombs all the time, so no hope of his being widely accepted. That leaves the retard. So the school bully is using all his powers of bribery and persuasion to make other classmates sit at the lunch table with the retard... that raises the school bully's "aukat" to be student body president. Russia is doing China a favour by showing that it will give a few crumbs of recognition, if not respect, to the Pakis. That's all this is.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 24 Sep 2016 02:02

RoyG wrote:We will have to see what Putin gives us.

There is only so much they can do to keep China in line.

They must be cursing them privately.

Tovarich Putin does not countenance giveaways to Indiiskies. We pay full price and more for his science projects.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 24 Sep 2016 02:07

To add: Chinese *nationalistic* media have started grumbling about *unfair* border agreements that were *forced* on China in the past.

Narrative building has already started within China. Russians know what that means long-term. Basically Russia had no option when the West applied sanctions post Crimea.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 24 Sep 2016 02:08

The most ardent Russia supporters amongst us on BRF live in the US. Yes even more ardent than dear old Philip. Just like the most ardent Mao supporters lived in Paris

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 24 Sep 2016 02:14

^^Any surprise? It is those with the opportunity to take a really close, long-term look at our would-be "new friends" who are best placed to decide if the old friends are better.

Amoghvarsha · Post by **Amoghvarsha** » 24 Sep 2016 02:39

Rudradev wrote:^^Any surprise? It is those with the opportunity to take a really close, long-term look at our would-be "new friends" who are best placed to decide if the old friends are better.

Fools give up old friends for new ones without adequate contingencies.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 24 Sep 2016 03:17

'You dance with what brung ya'. The dilemma of old friends vs new is best addressed by spending time in both houses and deciding which is the lesser of evils and making your home there. Try living in Russia as a reference point.

Else it's just not right you know. There has to be a modicum of support for one's adopted country. Not blind but not a Noam Chomsky one either. One owes it to neighbors, friends, progeny and conscience. To participate and not just snipe is more appropriate.

On BRF we come down hard on NIRs (non-Indian residents) because they live in India but find too many faults and appear to(or do) support pakistan/China against the land they live in.

We should be careful to not conflate NRIs with NIRs.

A few thoughts and hopefully not fuel for polemics. But probably a misplaced hope.