Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

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Amber G. wrote:Nightmare to Paki H&D - worth a watch -- just like the other one..
From First Secretary Ms. Eenam Gambhir on 26 September 2016 after Lodhi's whining..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8YUEce ... e=youtu.be
It appears Pak rep didnt hear @SushmaSwaraj clearly. Kashmir is,will always be India's integral part. Hope message is loud,clear
That was extremely blunt and hard hitting. I like this no holds barred diplomacy.

Now don't let them rest, keep finding new things to make sure they are off-base.

Let this be new normal.
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Not that I disagree, but it begs the question that why we of all the countries who are the biggest targets of Paki state-sponsored terror, have not declared Bakiland a terrorist state.
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Kashi wrote:
Not that I disagree, but it begs the question that why we of all the countries who are the biggest targets of Paki state-sponsored terror, have not declared Bakiland a terrorist state.
That is indeed the question.

Anyway I recollect that Rajya Sabha member Rajeev Chadrasekhar has introduced a private members bill to declare the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan a Terrorist State.
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Ayushman Jamwal, senior news editor at CNN-News18 questions the lack of empathy of thespians originating in the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic Pakistan when it comes to Mohammadden Terrorism instigated in the Islamic Republic targeting Indians.

Poses the question:
why the silence over attacks in India by Pakistan-based terrorists? Pathankot, Pampore and now Uri all took place after Paris – yet these artists have had no words of solidarity or condemnation; no anger towards the groups spreading havoc in their country and how the violence spills over into India where they seek the adulation of millions. All it takes is a hashtag and less than 140 characters to side with humanity and send out a strong and poignant message – yet they said nothing.

What could be the reason? Was the Paris attack more ‘trendy’ on social media than Uri? Do they fear reprisals back home from extremists or the military if they show unity with India? Do they think Hafiz Saeed and other terrorists in Pakistan are social workers? Do they truly believe their nation is not involved in spreading terror in India?
Rightly points out:
In the wake of the Uri attack, the silence of Pakistani artists in India and activists who yearn for peace between the two nations is detrimental to the fight against terror. It widens the ideological divide and gives more room to hate and warmongers to control the overall narrative.
Conduct of thespians from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan working in India makes me ask what is the point of having “People to People” contact when prominent citizens of the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan who have visited India display no empathy for Indian victims of Mohammadden Terrorism instigated in their own country? It is now long past time to do away with “People to People” contact by granting visa’s to Pakistani's as it has not achieved its purpose of building empathetic bridges.

From here:

Disturbing Silence of Pakistani Artists on Terror Attacks in India
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Meanwhile l look forward to the Indian financial backers of movies featuring thespians from the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan getting a drubbing at the box office and losing money hand over fist by way of fellow Indian’s refusing to watch the movies. I understand that two such movies, Ae Dil Hai Mushkil and Raees, are slated for imminent release.

Do spread the word on the need not to watch these movies if not already done.
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India mulls ‘economic war’ on Pakistan - Nyanima Basu, Business Line
India is deploying its ‘big guns’ in preparation for an “economic war” on Pakistan as a calibrated response to the recent terrorist attack on the Uri military camp.

This “war minus the shooting” could take the form of a withdrawal of the concessions given to Pakistan under the South Asian Free Trade Area (SAPTA) agreement and a review of the Indus Water Treaty (IWT) between the two countries.

India is also mulling the option of dragging Pakistan to the Dispute Settlement Body of the World Trade Organisation (WTO) for not extending trade benefits under the ‘most favoured nation’ (MFN) status.

Economic, not military, war

According to sources, while India may not be keen on a military war against Pakistan in retaliation for the September 18 attack, the consensus within the government is to wage an “economic war” instead.

Two-way trade between India and Pakistan stood at $2.61 billion in 2015-16, up 11 per cent from $2.35 billion in 2014-15. While this is small relative to the economies of both the countries, India reckons it is well placed to turn the heat on Pakistan.

The action contemplated on the SAFTA front is illustrative. According to Prof Biswajit Dhar of Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU), any action within SAFTA — which has Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka as member-states — has to be consensus-based. However, he said, no country will oppose India’s move considering their recent statements. The government has also come under pressure from the cement industry to immediately stop duty-free import of cement from Pakistan.

Similarly, there has been a clamour for India to withdraw the MFN status it had given Pakistan in 1996. However, highly placed sources told BusinessLine that India is planning an “alternative and more feasible” option that will have an adverse impact on Pakistan’s economy: challenge Pakistan before the WTO.

Under WTO rules, MFN status implies that every time a country lowers a trade barrier or opens up a market, it has to do so for the same goods/services from all its trading partners.

“Withdrawing the MFN status at this stage will only be a symbolic gesture. But we should weigh the pros and cons of challenging Pakistan at the WTO as it can seek exceptions and turn the case in its favour,” said Jayant Dasgupta, former Ambassador of India to the WTO. Pakistan, he added, may cite ‘Security Exceptions’ in Article XXI of GATT (General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade), under which a member-country may not grant MFN to another member on grounds of security.


Last year, when External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj was in Pakistan, both sides decided to restart the Comprehensive Bilateral Dialogue, under which India offered to give preferential trade access to Pakistan under SAFTA provided Pakistan extends MFN benefits to India.

Pakistan came close to giving India MFN status in 2012, but it has missed several committed deadlines for its implementation. When Prime Minister Narendra Modi met Nawaz Sharif in April last year, normalising trade relations was one of the top items on the agenda Much water has flowed down the Indus since then. And after the Uri attack, the powder is being kept dry for an all-out economic war on Pakistan.

Sushma offensive at UN

PTI adds: In a sharp rebuke to Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s “tirade” on Kashmir, India today said that those accusing others of rights violations must introspect, and censured Pakistan for the first time at the UNGA for perpetrating the “worst form of state oppression” in Balochistan.

Taking a veiled dig at Pakistan, External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj in her address at the 71st UN General Assembly (UNGA) session, said there are nations “in our midst” where UN-designated terrorists roam freely and deliver “their poisonous sermons of hate with impunity”, an apparent reference to Mumbai attack mastermind and Jamaat-ud-Dawa chief Hafiz Saeed.
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Kashi wrote:
Not that I disagree, but it begs the question that why we of all the countries who are the biggest targets of Paki state-sponsored terror, have not declared Bakiland a terrorist state.
Please allow me a little ramble. When one is young one looks at puzzling decisions at the highest level of government and assumes that "they know best" When one is older, one questions bad decisions or non decisions logically but tends to explain to oneself that the government must have better information than oneself, to account for the anomaly. But one has to get even older to realize that the government people - many of whom have moved out and been replaced by others over 40-50 tears are actually ignorant and no one has made them understand the folly of asking America to declare Pakistan a terrorist state while we follow ambiguous policies like getting soldiers killed while allowing MFN and cultural exchanges.

This is plain and simple blindness and ignorance - "moorkhta" is a better word, at the highest levels.

If Pakistan is conducting relentless terror attacks on us - it is a terrorist state and must be treated as such, across the board. The lack of logic in the way India handles Pakistan has another analogy. Imagine that people look at a rapist and say "He may have done wrong, but his wife is a good lady. His mother is a fine woman. Son is a good boy, so let us go easy on him lest the others suffer, This stupidity is not just Barkha Dutt speaking of Burhan Wanis father but a series of government departments who work at cross purposes. This is basically a form of national failure, just like inefficiency in OFB, Chalta Hai in NVG servicing in Uri or poor high- altitude clothing in Siachen.
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SSridhar wrote:India mulls ‘economic war’ on Pakistan - Nyanima Basu, Business Line

PTI adds: In a sharp rebuke to Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s “tirade” on Kashmir, India today said that those accusing others of rights violations must introspect,
Oh shit. Not introspection again. If a nation does not introspect for 70 years what's the point in repeating that nonsense
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SSridhar wrote:India mulls ‘economic war’ on Pakistan - Nyanima Basu, Business Line
“Withdrawing the MFN status at this stage will only be a symbolic gesture. But we should weigh the pros and cons of challenging Pakistan at the WTO as it can seek exceptions and turn the case in its favour,” said Jayant Dasgupta, former Ambassador of India to the WTO. Pakistan, he added, may cite ‘Security Exceptions’ in Article XXI of GATT (General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade), under which a member-country may not grant MFN to another member on grounds of security.
Now, Amb. Jayant Dasgupta should know what he is talking because he was our representative in the WTO. We are just armchair analysts. But, IMO, India can effectively argue the case against Pakistan in the WTO if it cites security reasons:
  • It is not that Pakistan boycotts trade with India at all as an enemy country would do. There has been direct & indirect (which is many times more than the direct trade) between the two countries. The two countries hold trade fairs on each other's soil frequently and regularly. Trade between India and Pakistan happens, by both rail and road, across several border points: Attari-Wagah, Uri & Poonch.
  • It was in early 2011 that the then Pakistani president Zardari and his Prime Minister announced steps to grant MFN status to India. Pakistan's Ministers for Commerce visited India a few times and discussed further modalities on MFN status including agreeing to a step-by-step process. So, there was a definite move within Pakistan to accord MFN status to India which was later thwarted by the Pakistani Army and a combination of Islamist groups. Pakistan had no security considerations hampering its decision to grant MFN status to India.
  • India has granted MFN status to Pakistan in 1996 and is waiting for reciprocity under WTO.
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As I said elsewhere, "States do not normally change their policies, more so when they are theocratic, have a strong army, strong international supporters and on top possess nukes. "
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One thing I haven't yet understood - how come various retaliatory options are being deliberated upon only *now* after the Uri attack? After endless number of terror attacks over the last decades many of which are acts of war? I would have expected by this time, policy makers to have simulated every possible response and kept the list of options ready with pros and cons. It's a little troubling to find GoI on the defensive and looking for options after each attack.

This is likely due to not having a long term strategic plan to deal with Pakistan. Every PM thinks he can somehow change the behavior of Pakistan. So we are back to square one w.r.t Pakistan after every election. The only policy continuity I see is the false belief that we can somehow make peace with Pakistan. I also think after the amazing success of 1971, we became complacent and didn't follow up on that success allowing Pakistan to regroup. I read the article about IG extending support to democratic movement in Sindh in the 1980s. That looks like a tactical move to make Pakistan back off from its support to Punjab militancy and not part of solving the bigger puzzle.

I sincerely hope Modi puts in place before his end of term, a solid policy to deal with Pakistan. Post Uri, every political party that matters is pissed off against Pakistan. Fence sitting aam aadmis and pundits are calling Pakistan a terrorist state and are calling for military strikes. BRF ideas and lingo have entered mainstream. Modi should seize this opportunity and evolve a long term strategy and work towards it. Only then this so called strategic restraint makes sense else it's just a phrase to fool the people.

Anyway, I think boiling point has reached with Uri attack. Even the most shameless Paki supporter in India will hide after the next attack and I hope GoI starts thinking and prepare for a strong response after the next attack.
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I made the first post of this thread into a pdf and linked it on Twitter
https://twitter.com/bennedose/status/780611764920516610
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That is a good question Partha Ji. Military planners do have military plans, but there is no cohesive national strategic plan. The reasons for this is multifold. The first issue is the dwindling civil military relations that got worse in the previous regime. That means there is no opportunity for the civil administration and the military leadership to work on a cohesive national strategic policy. Add to that we still have IFS dominated strategic planners at the highest levels. IFS officers still have a trace of the Nehruvian idealistic utopian thought process. They are needed, but a good PM should balance that out with pragmatic military strategic thinkers. That good leadership was missing for a long time. I think the best way to institutionalize strategic thinking is to bring in more ex military officers into civil and foreign service babu world. We should also formalize a national strategic security team who can do long term strategic planning and build assets in the areas of military, intelligence, command and control etc, deterrence etc. I mean we need things like defcon type plans that should be automatically activated when such attacks happen and we should be having plan templates that the field commanders, diplomats and intelligence teams should execute. This reactionary approach is not working.
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shiv wrote:I made the first post of this thread into a pdf and linked it on Twitter
https://twitter.com/bennedose/status/780611764920516610
Excellent thinking.

I have a collection of Quotable Quotes.
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A few oldies will remember a rag called defencejournal published on the glorious victories achieved by the gutter water drinking of sheep sh@gging Puki army.

I just realized there is no difference in the level of bravado, threats and the contempt shown towards the bl00dy indians then and now. And remember this was before beebul to beebul contact.
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http://nation.com.pk/national/27-Sep-20 ... ter-treaty
Pakistan to woo Afghanistan again for water treaty
LAHORE - Islamabad has decided to approach Kabul for the development of a water treaty between the two countries on River Kabul, The Nation has learnt reliably.Official sources in the Ministry of Water and Power, however, clarified that the proposed move was not being taken under the influence of recent Indian propaganda about damaging Pakistan’s water interests.Water sector officials said the government paid little heed to the Indian propaganda about revoking Indus Water Treaty and invoking Afghanistan to block water inflows of River Kabul into Pakistan.“Indian propaganda is baseless and far from reality. But, we decided at our own to contact Kabul yet another time for the development of water sharing formula between the two countries,” said a high official of the ministry and requesting not to be quoted.It would be the third attempt by Pakistani authorities to pursue Afghanistan for the development of a mutual water treaty. Kabul was approached for water talks in the PPP and Pervaiz Musharraf tenures but the non-existence of Afghan National Water Policy was the problem for both countries to go ahead.“We had made two efforts to bring Afghanistan at negotiating table over water sharing agenda during Pervaiz Musharraf and PPP tenures. But, Kabul’s point of view was that it was working to frame its indigenous water policy and it cannot enter into an agreement with Pakistan without the completion of its water policy,” said the official.
There are media reports that Afghanistan decided to build 12 hydro-power projects with capacity to generate 1,177MW of electricity on the river Kabul. Indian prime minister during his visit to Kabul in January had inaugurated hydel project on River Kabul which is funded by New Delhi.Official said: “Pakistan has no issue with Afghanistan’s run of river projects. We want that country developed and prosperous but it cannot stop Pakistan’s water according to international laws even without existence of mutual treaty between the two countries,” said the official.According to him, Afghanistan could utilise 2.5 MAF water from River Kabul as at Warsak, Pakistan committed water flows of the river of 16-17 MAF out of which 8-8.5 MAF water comes from the River Chitral which generates from Pakistan.“The government, despite its strong position, again decided to start working with Kabul on water sharing formula. A delegation of top water experts was likely to leave for Kabul next month,” the official said.About Indus Water Treaty’s revoking possibilities by India, he added: “India cannot cancel Indus Treaty which is brokered by the World Bank. It is also technically impossible for New Delhi to block water of three rivers in Held Kashmir as the whole valley will drown in that water.”.
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>> It is also technically impossible for New Delhi to block water of three rivers in Held Kashmir as the whole valley will drown in that water.

that would solve so many problems,
pakistani analysts: the term is an oxymoron,
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IAF airbases along western front on high alert, hold major air defence exercise - Rajat Pandit, ToI
IAF's premier operational command along the western front has gone on a high alert with a major exercise across all its 18 airbases and other installations from Srinagar to Bikaner, which comes amid heightened tensions with Pakistan in the aftermath of the terror attack on the Army camp in Uri.

The primary objective of "Exercise Talon" involving the crucial Western Air Command (WAC) is to "improve operational preparedness and air defence" in the entire stretch from J&K to Rajasthan, said defence sources on Monday.

Though the four-day war-games are largely defensive in nature, with combat air patrols and PAD-GD (passive air defence and ground defence) operations, it's significant that WAC had conducted a similar Talon exercise just about a week before the terror attack on the Uri Army camp on September 18.

Repeating the intensive manoeuvres within the same month is highly unusual, said sources
, adding that it showed that IAF was leaving nothing to chance at a time when Pakistan's F-16s and other fighters have been taking to the skies on a regular basis across the border, apart from practising landing on highways.

The Indian Army, of course, has been refining different contingency plans in conjunction with the IAF after the Uri attack to further synergise the integrated air-land fighting machinery, even as the force has also steadily upgraded its "readiness" all along the 778 km line of control with additional troops, "forward movement" of ammunition and fuel dumps and the like, as was earlier reported by TOI.

There have also been a flurry of top-level military meetings over the last one week among the different top commanders as well as detailed presentations to PM Narendra Modi, defence minister Manohar Parrikar and national security advisor Ajit Doval in the military operations directorate in South Block.

While WAC chief Air Marshal S B Deo has been visiting the different airbases under his command, chiefs of the Army's South-Western Command (Jaipur), Western Command (Chandimandir) and Northern Command (Udhampur) too have been reviewing their areas of responsibility.

Western Command chief Lt-General Surinder Singh, for instance, visited the Jammu-Pathankot region over the weekend to direct his commanders to "maintain a high order of operational preparedness and alertness".

Said a source, "All personnel have been told to be available at short notice."


As for the Talon exercise underway till September 30, IAF also continues to deploy Israeli unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) or spy drones to maintain "a constant surveillance" over all airbases ranging from Srinagar, Leh, Thoise, Awantipur to Ambala, Amritsar, Halwara and Nal.

"The exercise also involves camouflaging runways, moving aircraft to their blast pens and deploying decoys to prevent or minimize losses during enemy attacks. IAF's automated air defence network with a wide variety of radars and date links or the IACCS (integrated air command and control system) is also on a high alert,"
said a source.
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arun wrote:Ayushman Jamwal, senior news editor at CNN-News18 questions the lack of empathy of thespians originating in the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic Pakistan when it comes to Mohammadden Terrorism instigated in the Islamic Republic targeting Indians.

Poses the question:
why the silence over attacks in India by Pakistan-based terrorists? Pathankot, Pampore and now Uri all took place after Paris – yet these artists have had no words of solidarity or condemnation; no anger towards the groups spreading havoc in their country and how the violence spills over into India where they seek the adulation of millions. All it takes is a hashtag and less than 140 characters to side with humanity and send out a strong and poignant message – yet they said nothing.

What could be the reason? Was the Paris attack more ‘trendy’ on social media than Uri? Do they fear reprisals back home from extremists or the military if they show unity with India? Do they think Hafiz Saeed and other terrorists in Pakistan are social workers? Do they truly believe their nation is not involved in spreading terror in India?
Rightly points out:
In the wake of the Uri attack, the silence of Pakistani artists in India and activists who yearn for peace between the two nations is detrimental to the fight against terror. It widens the ideological divide and gives more room to hate and warmongers to control the overall narrative.
Conduct of thespians from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan working in India makes me ask what is the point of having “People to People” contact when prominent citizens of the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan who have visited India display no empathy for Indian victims of Mohammadden Terrorism instigated in their own country? It is now long past time to do away with “People to People” contact by granting visa’s to Pakistani's as it has not achieved its purpose of building empathetic bridges.

From here:

Disturbing Silence of Pakistani Artists on Terror Attacks in India


Probably some fear reprisals, but the majority of them are unable to rise above being born and raised a Paki.

Perhaps some similarities to becoming an apostate of Pakistan and becoming an apostate of Islam. Those kinds of changes are more than most Pakis would even consider, much less actually do.
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Even when firmly prodded with a short, clear and blunt question, the People Republic of China seems strangely hesitant to say that they will support their Taller than Himalaya’s, Deeper than Indian Ocean, Sweeter than Honey, As Close as Lips To Teeth, Iron Brother Islamic Republic of Pakistan on the issue of Jammu & Kashmir against India:
Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Geng Shuang's Regular Press Conference on September 26, 2016

2016/09/26

Q: Indian and Pakistani media have been discussing which side China would be on once conflicts broke out between India and Pakistan. On the issue of Kashmir, will China support Pakistan?

A: The Kashmir issue is left over from history. We hope that relevant parties can properly resolve this issue peacefully through dialogue and consultation.
From PRC Ministry of Foreign Affairs website:

Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Geng Shuang's Regular Press Conference on September 26, 2016

Above PRC response should come as something as a shock to the Islamic Republic that PRC will take on India over Jammu & Kashmir. Three days ago the Pakistani’s where propagating the illusion that the PRC would provide a blank cheque regards taking on India over Jammu & Kashmir:
In the wake of rising tensions at borders with India, China has assured in unequivocal terms its support in case of any foreign aggression and also supported Pakistan’s stance on the Kashmir dispute, according to a press release issued by the Punjab Chief Minister Office.

“In case of any [foreign] aggression our country will extend its full support to Pakistan,” Consul General of China in Lahore Yu Boren was quoted as saying by the CM Office on Friday.

Beijing conveyed the message during a meeting of its top diplomat in the provincial capital with Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif. “We’re and will be siding with Pakistan on Kashmir issue...There is no justification for atrocities on unarmed Kashmiris in...[India-] held Kashmir and the Kashmir dispute should be solved in accordance with aspirations of the Kashmiris,” the press release quoted the emissary as assuring the chief minister.
China to support Pakistan against foreign aggression
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Everything is not hunky dory with the CPEC and all it's alleged "benefits" to the mango pakis.

looks like the "CPEC security force" is turning into a real "CPEC security farce" with the generals setting themselves up for life time incomes for many generations and the mango pakis waking up to the very harsh realities of sleeping with their "all weather cheeni friends"

CPEC security force

CPEC security force

EDITORIAL —

FOR a number of weeks at least, the issue of raising the funds to pay for the creation of a special CPEC security force, as well as the powers that the force will enjoy, has been in the news in various contexts. According to a series of reports last week, the matter of funding for the two divisions to be raised for CPEC security has been discussed by the finance minister and the army chief at a special meeting; it was then taken up as an extraordinary agenda item at an ECC meeting a few days later. Then the minister of water and power, who also holds the portfolio of defence, announced that funds to pay for the running of this force would be made part of the power tariff and recovered from all consumers countrywide. The latest reports suggest that the power regulator, Nepra, has objected to the proposal, saying it will set a bad legal precedent, and that the cost of security of private power plants is already a part of the tariff for the construction period, as well as insurance against sabotage once construction ends and commercial operations begin.

It is imperative that Nepra’s objections be heeded. It has become a bit of a fad to start bundling all manner of costs into the power tariff, almost turning the billing and recovery machinery of the power sector into a surrogate revenue system. We have seen pressure to include interest costs on the circular debt, as well as construction of the Neelum-Jhelum and the Matiari-Lahore transmission line and the cost of an LNG pipeline, in the power tariffs. This is clearly unacceptable and Nepra must not allow this process to continue.

If power consumers are going to be asked to bear the maintenance cost of a CPEC security force, they have a legal right to demand that all details about the proposed force and its costs be placed before Nepra for an open hearing, which then has the right to ask whether a least-cost approach is being adopted and where room exists to reduce the component costs further. Are the authorities, whether civilian or military, willing to live up to this obligation, which is binding in all power tariff determinations? If not, they should withdraw the proposal and seek to raise the resources from tax revenues instead. Power tariffs are not a substitute for the state’s revenue system. The proposal is grossly unfair to power consumers and of highly questionable legal merit. The government has done itself a disservice by hustling the proposal through an ECC meeting. It is also worth noticing that the matter of locating the resources for the proposed force is coming very late in the CPEC timeline. Should this not have been worked out at the outset?

Published in Dawn, September 27th, 2016
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ok, my solution to this dispute of kashmir, indus water, CPEC clearance and other vexing issues facing pakistan etc.

Is that pakistan must develop a big heart towards India & towards their hindu brothers and surrender their claim over part of J&K so that there is peace in poverty stricken family. Pakistan must show magnanimity and courage and take tough decisions so that peace is realized.

As pakistani muslim heart is so big that giving such small stuff towards their narrow-minded hindu brethren will not cause any further rift and will heal old wounds. It may even enlarge narrow hearts.

Gen. Raheel Sharif must visit India and establish track-2 talks and show the same magnanimity as Pervez Musharraf who is not a fan of India, but as army chief did visit India with wife and sat down for discussions with Vajpayee and signed a no-terrorism treaty. He must set a precedent so that subsequently each future army chief must make it a point to visit India first before any other foreign tour and sign no-terrorism treaty.

He must think out-of-the-box and come up with daring and courage and sign on solutions with his hindu brothers.

pakistan must give India transit rights to Afghanistan and central asia so that we can trade with our neighbours in peace and defeat british imperialistic agenda which seeks to stifle 'south asian family'.

In return, India shall ensure the free passage of glacial waters to pakistan, to irrigate and fertilize. Two-nation is dead, long live south asia.
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pankajs wrote:
zoverian wrote:Why i am getting a feeling that its not Pakistan, its India who is getting isolated....

Support of Russia is Dicey

Support of US whole heartily is dicey

Support of China (well we all know so no need to explain)

Support of Iran is Dicey

So far we have only Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Israel and may be France to some extent....

In which direction is , Mr. Modi and Mr. Doval is steering the Indian Strategy Ship......


Sorry I couldn't control hence wrote that..but as a common Indian I am not getting a good feeling....
Porkistan is getting isolated ....

Support of Russia is Dicey
Support of US whole heartily is dicey
Support of China (well we all know so no need to explain)
Support of Iran is Dicey
Support of Afghanistan is Dicey
Support of France is dicey
Support of Japan is dicey
Support of Germany is dicey
Support of ummmmmmma .... is dicey

So far we have only Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Israel and may be France to some extent....So far only China and Turkey are supporting to some extent ....

Seems we are headed in the right direction under Mr. Modi and Mr. Doval.

PS: If you just thrown statements around how do you expect to have a discussion. E.g. You could have given at least one line reasoning for each conclusion of yours.

Thanks for your feedback... I am still new here..however will soon learn the tricks of writing:).
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Can Pakistani cinema survive without Bollywood?

KARACHI: In the wake of worsening ties between Pakistan and India, one cannot help but wonder how the Pakistani cinema industry would survive without Bollywood films. In the light of possible ban on Indian content, the entire business is going to be affected as our cinemas rely on them for a steady flow of income.

Whether or not there is going to be a ban remains to be seen; however, one cannot ignore the possible consequences of this decision.

Admitting that there is no alternative, Atrium Cinemas Managing Director Nadeem Mandviwalla said, “70% of the business comes from Bollywood and Hollywood. There is no alternative. If the ties worsen, it is going to affect everything. There’s a possibility that theatres would be shut down temporarily.” Mandviwalla added that even if one considers the argument against Indian content, people will still continue to watch pirated Bollywood films at home.

He feels we can only survive the ban if it’s short-term. “A temporary suspension until the situation gets better is going to affect us, but we can survive. If it doesn’t, cinema owners might have to close shop or shut a few screens down to cut costs. We don’t produce enough films to sustain ourselves throughout the year. We need to produce at least over 50 films annually.”

Moroever, he recalled a similar occasion from the time of the Kargil War. “It happened during the Kargil War. It’s equally going to affect the cable networks. Their in-house video channels playing Indian films all day are going to take a hit. During Kargil, they protested about it and it was solved in a few months.”

Echoing the sentiment, former Sindh Board of Film Censors chairman Fakhr-e-Alam weighed in on the situation, saying the ban would result in going back to the days where our screens were shut down because there weren’t enough movies.

In case of the ban, he suggested the government to setup a fund for production houses to make a set number of film annually. “We need at least 45-50 films annually to sustain the industry. If we are not producing that much content, it’s all going to come to a halt.”

Cinepax Cinemas Assistant Marketing Manager Abid Ali Zaidi said the cinema chain has already lined up an alternative, in case the ban is imposed. “We are planning to run older Pakistani films once again. We already do that on a smaller scale when attendance is low, especially during Ramazan. But this time around, it’s going to be on a bigger scale. We are going to start in October, regardless of the ban.”

Zindagi Kitni Haseen Hay director Anjum Shahzad said we must take a stand and not be on the fence over the decision. “Look, this is an emotional reaction. We must either ban them once and for all or don’t. We need a sensible, solid and mature media policy, not an emotional one. You ban the films and go home and watch Indian television serials and cartoon dubbed in Hindi. It’s not going to make a difference. Close the DVD shops selling Indian films. If you think we shouldn’t show Indian content because they over there don’t want to show Pakistani content anymore. That’s not a solution. I think culture and arts should be above all of that.”

Shahzad said if the ban is imposed, it will remain imposed for a couple weeks before being repealed. “Just pick one side. Either ban or do not ban and stand by the decision. This drama of banning it and then un-banning some weeks later is not going to take us anywhere.”

On the contrary, Maalik director Ashir Azeem thought the ban could be a positive step to help domestic local cinema. “I agree with the idea of restricting Indian films because the exhibitors currently favour them over local films. Because of that, producers are afraid to invest; your film will likely be sidelined if an Indian film is releasing round about the same time,” he said. “That’s why we don’t have enough films to sustain throughout the year. It’s a chicken and egg situation. Regardless, I think we will survive the ban. In fact, it might help speed up our productions and create more output.”

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Khursheed Mamu might be turning in his khatya :((
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Vikas Swarup ‏@MEAIndia 28m28 minutes ago
Regional cooperation and terror don't go together. India pulls out of SAARC Summit in Islamabad
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As per NDTV Afg, Bhutan and Bangladesh have also pulled out of the SAARC summit in Porkland
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So Maldives and Lanka? Nepal ? Or May be bakistan cancels SAARC meet in order to save water.
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rsingh wrote:So Maldives and Lanka? Nepal ? Or May be bakistan cancels SAARC meet in order to save water.
Those countries are still hedging between India and China. Though some improvements are made with regards to relationships with these countries , it is not enough. Not sure if we should still keep up with Saam and Dhaan or start with bhedh.
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Sushma Swaraj gave a low blow to Pak H&D when she suggested the introspect!

Introspect is only for SDRE and not TFTA momeens!
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GShankar wrote:
rsingh wrote:So Maldives and Lanka? Nepal ? Or May be bakistan cancels SAARC meet in order to save water.
Those countries are still hedging between India and China. Though some improvements are made with regards to relationships with these countries , it is not enough. Not sure if we should still keep up with Saam and Dhaan or start with bhedh.
IMHO, Maldives should be put out of its miseries on first opportunity.
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With global warming Maldives will be put out of its misery in a few decades.
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Revocation of Indus Waters Treaty can be taken as an act of war: Sartaj Aziz

Paki were Crying Wolf Wolf, Now Wolf want to play Golf but Paki have No Ball to play
SLAMABAD: Adviser to the Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz on Tuesday told the Senate that revocation of the Indus Waters Treaty by India "can be taken as an act of war" against Pakistan."The Indus Waters Treaty is quoted as perhaps the most successful water treaty ever conducted between the two countries. Its revocation can be taken as an act of war or a hostile act against Pakistan," Aziz told lawmakers."If India tries to interrupt water flow into Pakistan, it will not only violate the Indus Water Treaty, but also set a regional state practice under which international law can be serve as a precedent. It will provide China, for example, a justification to consider of suspension of waters of the Brahmaputra river," he said. Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Monday decided to suspend Indus Water Commission talks until "Pakistan-sponsored terror" in India ends, according to Indian media reports.Aziz's statements come amidst reports that India plans to accelerate building of new hydro-power plants along three rivers that flow into Pakistan. Modi told officials on Monday that India should use more of the rivers' resources, Reuters reported, quoting sources familiar with the plans.
According to our assessments, India is not following the option of revoking the treaty but it is trying to use provisions of the treaty to construct run of the river projects, Aziz said, adding that it was possible India would misuse these provisions by constructing structures which are not allowed under the treaty, according to Radio Pakistan.Pakistan is identifying all the possible misuses and activities that India can undertake to interfere in the treaty as well as its implementation, he said.Jamaat-i-Islami chief Siraj-ul-Haq in Senate said that India had been constructing dams on the Kabul river in collaboration with the Afghan government in order to make Pakistan's land barren.Senator Sherry Rehman said that India has adopted a policy of water terrorism against Pakistan. The Indus Water Treaty is an international treaty that India cannot revoke unilaterally, she said. If it does so, it will be illegal and will set a precedence for China, being upper riparian, to divert waters of Brahmaputra, she added.Earlier in the day, Aziz addressed the National Assembly saying that provocative statements and actions from the Indian leadership on the Indus Waters Treaty are a violation of international laws and breach of the treaty.

Pakistan will 'react befittingly' if India attempts to violate the Indus Waters Treaty, the adviser told the NA.Pakistan will not accept any pressure from India and will continue to highlight human rights violations perpetrated by Indian forces in India-held Kashmir (IHK), Aziz said.Pakistan is gaining the support of the international community on the issue, Aziz said, and is considering briefing the P5 countries ─ China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States ─ on the dangers of suspending the treaty.There is no provision of suspension in the treaty, Aziz said, adding that India cannot revoke the treaty unilaterally.The adviser pointed out that the treaty was not suspended even during wars between the two countries.The resolution also said the Modi government has a history of threats and holds 'the misguided belief' that Pakistan will move away from extending support to Kashmiris.The House believes that peace and progress are dependent upon good neighbourly relations and the only way forward is through constructive dialogue, not threats being issued by the Indian PM to unilaterally terminate the treaty, the resolution said. :rotfl: It added that the hostile environment being perpetuated by the Indian government will not be in the best interests of peace and stability in the region.
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India should coordinate with Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Bhutan; and in the space of 4 weeks each country should announce Pakistan as a terrorist state. Should be done one by one, starting with India. Then get as many countries in the S.E.Asia to do so. Japan, Vietnam and Burma would not be too opposed if the cards are played correctly. Are Nepal and Srilanka under India's sphere of influence?
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Gurus, is there a list somewhere of all terrorist incidents outside the indian subcontinent with links to Bakistan?
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abhishek_sharma wrote:Vikas Swarup ‏@MEAIndia 28m28 minutes ago
Regional cooperation and terror don't go together. India pulls out of SAARC Summit in Islamabad
The horror of it all :wink: . “Low Lying” :wink: nation of Bangladesh seems to be ready to knife fellow Mohammadden Islamic Republic of Pakistan in cahoots with Kaafir Hindu India. How is it possible for a Mohammadden country and OIC member like Bangladesh to treat Sole Islamic Nuclear Power and Citadel of Islam, Pakistan in such a manner? :rotfl: .

Bangladesh Newspaper Daily Star reports “A highly placed source in the foreign ministry told The Daily Star that Dhaka has conveyed to the current SAARC Chair Nepal that Pakistan’s growing interference into the internal affairs of Bangladesh is not conducive to hold the summit in Islamabad.”.

Will be interesting to see if Bangladesh will actually make a formal on the record announcement and if so, will it be a pullout or a down grade in representation level:

Bangladesh, India boycott SAARC Summit in Pakistan
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For good order, our Ministry of External Affairs Press Release announcing India will not participate in the SAARC Summit to be held in the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic Of Pakistan:
India's participation in the SAARC Summit in Islamabad

September 27, 2016

In response to a question, the Official Spokesperson stated that India has conveyed to current SAARC Chair Nepal that increasing cross-border terrorist attacks in the region and growing interference in the internal affairs of Member States by one country have created an environment that is not conducive to the successful holding of the 19th SAARC Summit in Islamabad in November 2016. India remains steadfast in its commitment to regional cooperation, connectivity and contacts but believes that these can only go forward in an atmosphere free of terror.

In the prevailing circumstances, the Government of India is unable to participate in the proposed Summit in Islamabad.

We also understand that some other SAARC Member States have also conveyed their reservation about attending the Islamabad Summit in November 2016.

New Delhi
September 27, 2016
From MEA Website here:

India's participation in the SAARC Summit in Islamabad
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Vivasvat wrote:Gurus, is there a list somewhere of all terrorist incidents outside the indian subcontinent with links to Bakistan?
It is our duty to make one if one does not exist
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General Javed Iqbal Pakistan New Army Chief - Pakistani Media Shocked General Raheel Sharif Decision

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmkJ5g-Q8SQ
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Pakistan urges World Bank to stop Indian projects on Neelum, Chenab

Paki Dekho Kitna Pyyyyaaaaaasa
WASHINGTON: Pakistan took its case on the Indus Waters Treaty to the World Bank on Tuesday, urging it to prevent India from making illegal constructions on the Neelum and Chenab rivers, embassy officials said on Tuesday.“In the meeting with the Pakistani delegation, the World Bank committed itself to timely fulfilling its obligations under the treaty while remaining neutral,” said a statement issued by the Pakistan Embassy in Washington.A Pakistani delegation, led by Attorney General Ashtar Ausaf Ali, met senior World Bank officials at its headquarters in Washington to discuss Pakistan’s recent request for arbitration under Article IX of the Indus Waters Treaty (IWT), 1960.In their meetings with World Bank officials, the Pakistani delegation insisted on early appointment of the judges and setting up the court. The delegation consisted, besides the attorney general, of Water and Power secretary Muhammad Younus Dagha; Pakistan’s Commissioner for Indus Water Mirza Asif Baig; and Joint Secretary (Water) Ahmad Irfan Aslam.Pakistan’s Ambassador to the United States Jalil Abbas Jilani and World Bank’s Executive Director for Pakistan Nasir Khosa also participated in the talks.The World Bank was represented by Senior Vice President Anne-Marie LeRoy; Vice President for South Asia Annette Dixon; Deputy General Counsel for Operations Alberto Ninio; Chief Counsel for South Asia Melinda Good; and Senior Counsel for International Waterways Victor Mosoti.An Indian newspaper, The Hindu, reported on Monday that India has decided to suspend Indus Water Commission talks until “Pakistan-sponsored terror” in India ends.India’s National Security Adviser Ajit Doval, Foreign Secretary S. Jaishankar, the water resources secretary and senior officials were present at the meeting, the paper said.But a former commissioner for the treaty, Syed Jamaat Ali Shah told Dawn that India’s decision to suspend talks on the treaty means that there will be no meetings, as described in the agreement, between the commissioners of the two countries in future.Sources told The Hindu that while the treaty was not reviewed at the meeting, steps to utilise India’s western rivers in a better way were discussed.
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