Indian forces suffered casualties during a strike that did not happen. I am reminded of Orwell's 1984.http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 628038.cms
ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Army today said that it was "sure" that Indian troops had suffered casualties in the surgical strike on terror launch pads in PoK, alleging that India was "hiding" its losses.
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I feel - This is what happens when we have a Defence Minister who gets carried away (more often these days) and launches into a tirade of spicy sentences during press meets - like a filmi Villain when it is simply not the right time to do so even as a hi-stakes game of cat & mouse is being played out. . The media will keep playing these spicy sentences again & again to make more money - their primary reason to exist and they dont care for our missing soldier too.g.sarkar wrote:This does not look good at all. These Arschloecher are prone to torture captured Indians to vent their anger.http://www.msn.com/en-in/news/newsindia ... srcref=rss
Pak tells India it is not aware of whereabouts of soldier who strayed across LoC
The Pakistan Army has informed its Indian counterpart that it is not aware of the whereabouts of Chandu Chavan, the soldier who inadvertently strayed across the Line of Control, according to a media report.
Chavan, a 22-year-old soldier from 37 Rashtriya Rifles, had mistakenly crossed the de-factor border in Kashmir hours after India’s surgical strikes on terrorist bases across the LoC on Thursday.
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Soon after the Indian side said that Chavan had mistakenly crossed the LoC, Reuters had quoted two unnamed Pakistani officials in Chhamb sector as saying that the soldier was captured with weapons at 1.30pm local time on Thursday.
Under a bilateral arrangement, soldiers who inadvertently cross the LoC are handed over to their side. “However, the level of tensions between the two countries, particularly after the Indian claims about ‘surgical strikes’, precludes any possibility of cooperation,” the Dawn reported.
Gautam
arun wrote:In its continuing bid to demonstrate that India did not launch a boots on the ground cross LoC raid to exterminate Mohammadden Terrorists but instead carried out cross LoC firing, the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan take journalists from CNN, BBC, VOA, Reuters, AP, AFP, News Week and BBC Urdu Service.to areas in Pakistan occupied Kashmir allegedly targeted by India. I use the term “allegedly targeted” deliberately as there has been no “Official” statement from India identifying precise location of the terrorist launch pads attacked by India. The DGMO briefing did not contain this information. This talk of Boxor Formation and Hotspring Formation as the location of the Indian strike could be a Pakistani fabrication, Further even if later confirmed by India as the site of the interdicted terrorist launch pads, the Uniformed Jihadi’s have had ample time to have sanitized the area to show no evidence of an interdicted terrorist launch pad.
Going by this and the plethora of articles appearing in the Pakistani media, the Punjabi Military dominated Deep State of the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan is pulling out all stops to portray India’s boots on the ground cross LoC raid to exterminate Mohammadden Terrorists as a case of cross LoC firing. The decibel level of this campaign goes well beyond Arnab’s hysterics.
India must now release information, preferable in the form of video, on the cross LoC boots on the ground raid to exterminate Mohammadden Terrorists to ensure that the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic wins a propaganda battle by default. The people of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan need to know that their strategy of waging Jihad under a Nuclear Umbrella is not going to deter us from having our troops cross over and neutralize Mohammadden Terrorists poised to strike India. ........... then off course there is the matter of my personal enjoyment in seeing the Honour and Dignity aka H&D take a beating:
‘Surgical strikes’: Journalists flown to LoC to debunk Indian myth
Sir - How so ? The Indian Army DGMO informed the press about our surgical strikes and our IFS babu log informed the foreign diplomats about the same surgical strikes. India made the world know that we hit at the PAKI terrorist scum and the Paki army folks who were helping them. SAARC countries just shit-shamed the Paki diplomats & their whole country by refusing to travel to Pakistan.prasannasimha wrote:^ Actually telling that protects the captured fellow from harm. keeping everything quite allows them to do whatever with the guy.
If there is a chance that revealing any of our own Spy Sat info (pictures, related details & other data feeds) to the world would compromise our future spying ops & make us vulnerable to suffering "Pokhran-II Tricks" by Pakis/Cheenies and any other entity (like how we cheated the US spy sats through camoflouage during 1998 Pokran N-Tests) - Then we should not reveal any of those details to anybody even outside the tight shell of people with in IB/IA/IN/IAF/RAW.Kashi wrote:ArunJi dhoti shiver does not help.
Amreekis did not put out videos of Bin Laden and Bakis denied that he was even there. No one bought their bullcrap.
If Bakis wish to pretend that their sovirginity was not violated again, they are free to do so. Governments around the world do not make comments on mere speculation and hearsay.
Releasing the footage or not will be decided at a time and place of our choosing.
You are assuming that these countries have access to sats that are position above the LoC for 24 hours a day. I would like to believe that their sats at best pass by every few hours and given the time scale of the operations, it's entirely possible that they may have missed them completely.SaraLax wrote:Instead we can purchase images of hi-resolution of specific areas with in PoK/PAK from well know global companies entities (Thales Alenia, DigitalGlobe, Balls Aerospace & etc) that supply remote sensing information to various global organizations - both before and after our operations and then show them to the world - if need arises.
Reminds me of the 1965 war when the pakis invited Australian and British correspondents to tour paki airfields and speak to the pilots. Lots of British accented brags by the pilots. Smoke and mirrors, my friend, smoke and mirrors. Old paki habit.arun wrote:Media blitz by the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan to convince the world that India’s boots on the ground cross LoC raid to exterminate Mohammadden Terrorists was no such thing but instead cross LoC firing, pays off with the New York Times reporting the Uniformed Jihadi version, albeit with no endorsement.
A bit OT for this thread perhaps but relevant from the larger perspective. Sitting outside the immediate sphere of Paki influence, it is becoming increasingly obvious that there is a long term plan, one that involves a war on multiple fronts, beginning with selling it to gullible cattle in the heartland of Western culture. The media campaign launched by the Jihadis shows their determination and their resources. We often like to believe that the average Jihadi is an unwashed, uneducated,impoverished prole who is easily recruited to become cannon-fodder. While that may be true in the context of Pakistan, the new breed of international Jihadi is well educated, sophisticated, with ample means to evade the usual scrutiny and cause the maximum damage in a place and at a time when one least expects it. The recent Bangla Desh incident is ample proof.shiv wrote: I say this in the light of Khaled Ahmed's new ebook "Sleepwalking to Surrender" which I have started reading but it is a bombshell from page 1.
One of the eternal questions about Pakistan was whether the army had control over jihadis or not...............
http://indianexpress.com/article/opinio ... surrender/Note the underlined part. Islamization of Pakistan is proceeding apace - with the officers now scared to oppose the dictates of the mullahs who control the lower ranks.The Pakistani state is in trouble as more and more researchers and analysts point to assassinations found to have been “devolved” to the Taliban-al-Qaeda combine. If the dictators thought they could use the jihadis and their priestly leaders without getting flecked with their blood-thirsty creed, they were seriously in error. Now, “normal” officers promoted to top ranks in the army have to accept the status quo in which an “inspired” rank-and-file can kill them in the name of Allah.
Perhaps knowledge of this has led to some rethinking in Amreeka including Hillary Clinton's statement that there could be a jihad coup. Nore likely than a coup - there will be a gradual takeover of Pakistan by the Taliban. A wish that I am others had expressed on BRF earlier is coming true - that is Pakistan is getting the "more Islam" that it needs. Sunni Islam that is - busy wiping everyone else out
But the story cannot end here. Obviously Pakistan getting more Islam cannot be an end in itself. That must spread to Europe and the US and let those parts of the world have the pleasure of Allah's attention. Thankfully that is happening - but not enough. Aid would come to a grinding halt.
One can see such opulence in West Asian Islamic countries. Has it got anything to do with the religion? The stamp of authority perhaps.Paul wrote:Office of District collector of Tharparker. Note the opulence of the office.[/url]
IndraD wrote: 2. The mayor of the world's 8th biggest city Karachi is in jail for the last three months, and nearly 200 young men are missing because of Army action, but the Indian media has not highlighted this. Can you imagine Arvind Kejriwal being jailed for 2 months in Delhi and people not knowing about it?
Even the Lutyens Elites would view this display of wealth with distaste.SSridhar wrote:One can see such opulence in West Asian Islamic countries. Has it got anything to do with the religion? The stamp of authority perhaps.Paul wrote:Office of District collector of Tharparker. Note the opulence of the office.[/url]
However, this should be a moment for Pakistan to introspect and determine how it can effectively present itself to the international community. When it comes to the global stage, perceptions matter tremendously, and unfortunately for Pakistan, its image as a country plagued with terrorism and intolerance has made most of its appeals to the international community fall on deaf ears. It is for this reason that the refusal of five SAARC members to not attend the conference in Islamabad has sent the wrong signal to the international community. In light of this, Pakistan needs an effective foreign policy, and for that to happen it needs a full time foreign minister who is able to counter Indian lobbying in the international community and present Pakistan’s case to the world. Pakistan is in urgent need of rebranding itself, and this cannot take place unless government takes the matter of making and articulating foreign policy seriously, highlighting Pakistan’s issues and honestly packaging its potential and promise.
Why can't we just nab a couple from otherside of the LoC and negotiate an exchange !g.sarkar wrote:This does not look good at all. These Arschloecher are prone to torture captured Indians to vent their anger.
Gautam
The 37 Rashtriya Rifles soldier, Chandu Chavan (22), who has been captured by the Pakistan army for venturing across the Line of Control, walked away from his post after a tiff with his senior, sources in the Ministry of Defence said. When he did not return for a day or two, his frantic unit called his family. “They wanted to know if he had gone home without informing the Army,” Yogesh Patil, a close family friend of the Chavans in Borvihir in Dhule (Maharashtra) told The Sunday Guardian. Now the family hopes that its youngest child returns home safely, even if late. The family said that Chandu would have gone missing on Monday or Tuesday. “We got a call on Thursday (29 September) saying that he had been missing for two days,” Yogesh said. The surgical strikes were carried out by India on 29 September. Chandu Chavan was not a part of the operation.
“He went missing one day here or there of the surgical strikes,” an official spokesperson of the Indian Army told The Sunday Guardian.
Chavan’s grandmother passed away after hearing the news of his capture.
The 37 Rashtriya Rifles soldier, Chandu Chavan (22), who has been captured by the Pakistan army for venturing across the Line of Control, walked away from his post after a tiff with his senior, sources in the Ministry of Defence said. When he did not return for a day or two, his frantic unit called his family. “They wanted to know if he had gone home without informing the Army,” Yogesh Patil, a close family friend of the Chavans in Borvihir in Dhule (Maharashtra) told The Sunday Guardian. Now the family hopes that its youngest child returns home safely, even if late. The family said that Chandu would have gone missing on Monday or Tuesday. “We got a call on Thursday (29 September) saying that he had been missing for two days,” Yogesh said. The surgical strikes were carried out by India on 29 September. Chandu Chavan was not a part of the operation.
“He went missing one day here or there of the surgical strikes,” an official spokesperson of the Indian Army told The Sunday Guardian.
Chavan’s grandmother passed away after hearing the news of his capture.
arun wrote:India must now release information, preferable in the form of video, on the cross LoC boots on the ground raid to exterminate Mohammadden Terrorists to ensure that the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic wins a propaganda battle by default. The people of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan need to know that their strategy of waging Jihad under a Nuclear Umbrella is not going to deter us from having our troops cross over and neutralize Mohammadden Terrorists poised to strike India. ........... then off course there is the matter of my personal enjoyment in seeing the Honour and Dignity aka H&D take a beating
‘Surgical strikes’: Journalists flown to LoC to debunk Indian myth
What happened to this group later makes an anecdote. In camp they kept their mouths shut about Sweden, fearing they'd get a second term. But people in Sweden somehow found out about their fate and published slanderous reports in the press. By that time the boys were scattered far and near among various camps. Suddenly, on the strength of special orders, they were all yanked out and taken to the Kresty Prison in Leningrad. There they were fed for two months as though for slaughter and allowed to let their hair grow. Then they were dressed with modest elegance, rehearsed on what to say and to whom, and warned that any ******** who dared to squeak out of turn would get a bullet in his skull-and they were led off to a press conference for selected foreign journalists and some others who had known the entire crew in Sweden.
The former internees bore themselves cheerfully described where they were living, studying, and working, and expressed their indignation at the bourgeois slander they had read about not long before in the Western press (after all, Western papers are sold in the Soviet Union at every corner newsstand!). And so they had written to one another and decided to gather in Leningrad. (Their travel expenses didn't bother them in the least.) Their fresh, shiny appearance completely gave the lie to the newspaper canard. The discredited Journalists went off to write their apologies. It was wholly inconceivable to the Western imagination that there could be any other explanation. And the men who had been the subjects of the interview were taken off to a bath, had their hair cut off again, were dressed in their former rags, and sent back to the same camps. But because they had conducted themselves properly, none of them was given a second term.
Thanks for finding that one. Times seem to have changed now. the jihadis are controlling what the army says and does. Army officers are afraid to take calls that will upset jihadis or they will get shotCosmo_R wrote:@Primus ^^^ On whether the PA controls jihadis:
"Despite its denials, Pakistan controls most Kashmiri insurgent groups. On May 29, 1999, shortly after the Pakistani army launched its offensive across the cease-fire line at Kargil, Indian intelligence intercepted a revealing international telephone conversation between then-Gen. Musharraf, who was in Beijing, and his deputy, Lt. Gen. Mohammed Aziz. CIA sources have validated the authenticity of the intercept. Nawaz Sharif, then prime-minister, had expressed concern, Aziz said, that Kashmiri insurgent groups fighting with the army might get out of hand and force an escalation, but that "there need be no such fear, since we have them by the scruff of the neck and whenever desired, we can regulate the situation."
http://articles.latimes.com/2002/jan/27 ... harrison/2
Started towards the end of Musharraf's time...Khan knew that ISI’s support of the ‘charismatic’ mujahideen was based not on any strategic analyses but on ‘reverse indoctrination’, something that haunts the GHQ in Rawalpindi where the army chief may at times be scared of his own officers. Soon, the army chiefs of Pakistan became convinced that if they tried to get rid of the non state actors-turned terrorists they could get killed." (from "Sleepwalking to Surrender: Dealing with Terrorism in Pakistan" by Khaled Ahmed)
Hindustan Times @htTweets 2h2 hours ago
During the beating retreat ceremony at Wagah Border today, crowds from Pakistani side threw rocks at the Indian side
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The above linked pdf has some uber graphic images. Please be warned..Primus wrote:
Look at this edition of the glossy magazine put out by ISIS here: Dabiq Read the chapter on 'How I came to Islam' by a woman born a Christian in Finland (pg 36 on).
Sam Harris has an interesting take on this issue of the magazine on his podcast What Do Jihadists Really Want
The PTI news-item is here:Modi confirms evidence-less ‘surgical strike’ a hoax
India’s PM rejects his Army’s claim, says “India has not attacked anyone”
NEW DELHI: India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi has said that no ‘surgical strike’ has been carried out in any country, according to the Press Trust of India news service.
In an indirect reference towards the claim of the ‘surgical’ strike ‘somewhere’ inside the territory of Azad Jammu Kashmir, the Indian prime minister reportedly said that India has never attacked any country, nor does it want anyone’s territory. This statement has contradicted Indian Army’s claim of ‘surgical strike’ inside Azad Jammu Kashmir.
“India has not attacked anyone. It is neither hungry for any territory. But in the two World Wars, 0.15 million Indian soldiers had laid down their lives fighting for others,” the prime minister said at a ceremony in New Delhi, the Press Trust of India news service reported.
Modi said the Indian diaspora did not believe in indulging in politics of grabbing power abroad.
Pakistan had already rejected claims of any surgical strike carried out by India. Indian Army, however, recently claimed of surgical strike inside Pakistan boundary, though the state failed to provide any evidence of the attack.
