4AdityaM wrote:Ajai Shukla on Tv news quoted his sources and said that Baramulla was friendly fire between indian forces
He does have an alternate reading of every incident it seems
Days after the Indian Army announced it had carried out surgical strikes against seven terror launch pads along the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir, a top official of the country’s security establishment has told The Indian Express that “if provoked again, we will amend our operational tactics”
Sending Pakistan a tough message, the official, who was closely involved in planning the surgical strikes in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, said: “The surprise element in such an operation is key to its success and there will be no predictable repetition. If provoked yet again, we will amend our operational tactics. And for the time being, the continuing denial of Pakistan that there were no surgical strikes is a stance that suits us.”
Details are slowly trickling in about the timing and nature of the attack in which, officials said, an estimated 45-50 militants, mostly belonging to the Jaish-e-Mohammad and Lashkar-e-Taiba, may have been killed or grievously injured. The largest number of fatalities were in the Lipa area of PoK, followed by Kel and Bhimber.
No effort was, however, made and no time was lost by members of the commando teams in counting the casualties. A key official said, “The ferocity of the attack was such and the surprise element so complete that it was unlikely, many militants would have survived. The fact is that there was no retaliation whatsoever and the only setback to the operation was a mine-blast injury suffered by one commando.”
Before the strike, specific intelligence and intercepts had been received that these launch pads — semi-built structures which have since been substantially damaged in the attack by rocket launchers and grenade launchers — were almost fully occupied and that the militants were waiting for the moonless night of September 30, or amavasya, to ingress.
The intelligence inputs had given a clear signal that military targets were to be hit again, barely two weeks after the September 18 Uri attack in which 18 soldiers were killed.
The Indian side had also factored in the dark night period while deciding when to strike at the militant hideouts snuggling the LoC. The fact that the United Nations General Assembly session ended on September 26 and by September 28, Pakistan looked isolated as the host of the November SAARC summit, were other factors that came into play. The surgical strikes may, thus, have been advanced by a day or two.
With the commando teams, numbering close to 150 personnel, already transported near the LoC, probably two days in advance, tactical details of the stealth operation were continuously repeated.
The Indian Express has learnt that the precise timing for the attack was pre-fixed and everything was planned backward. With the seven commando teams needing varying time to reach their targets — depending on the terrain and distance — the assault teams were launched from Indian territory on a staggered schedule so that the strikes could be simultaneous and swift.
As some good general of good neighbourly army of Pakistan once said, this is line of control, you are legally entitled to call it your land where you stand.zoverian wrote:Shaktimaan wrote:
What I love here is that we were attacked by un-uniformed jihadis a Baramulla, but the retaliation was against the uniformed jihadis. Because really, what's the difference anyway?
Too good
Who is Shooka?CRamS wrote:Low life Shooka tweedted that he will be on media today to reveal "uncomfortable truths" to the bhakts. This guys is spending more time and energy discrediting India than in exposing the evil that TSP is
India will neither forgive nor forget, Prime Minister Narendra Modi declared less than a week after the Uri outrage. It wasn’t just rhetoric: Modi had already okayed a strike against Pakistani terrorist launchpads across the Line of Control (LoC).
The decision to punish Pakistan was conveyed to defence minister Manohar Parrikar and National Security Adviser Ajit Doval on September 23,(5 days after intrusion) and the build-up to D-day began the next day.
It was no rash decision. The diplomatic route was chosen before unsheathing the iron fist. Immediately after the September 18 attack on the Indian Army at Uri, Modi called Doval for information on the perpetrators and how they managed to get inside the brigade headquarters.
The Pakistan connection became evident from the GPS sets found on the four dead terrorists as well as from the interrogation of their two guides caught by Uri villagers.
Pakistan’s high commissioner to India Abdul Basit was summoned on September 21 and given a protest letter detailing the involvement of a terror group based in his country. Pakistan chose denial as its response, with Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif raising Kashmir in his speech at the United Nations.
That was the inflection point, when the idea of a military response began to crystallise.
Late on September 22, Modi, Parrikar and Doval were briefed by director general of military operations Lt General Ranbir Singh on LoC strike options as well as the posture of the Pakistan army. Army chief General Dalbir Singh was present at this briefing in the War Room of the ministry of defence. By this time, Pakistan had activated all its radars along the LoC and its forces were on high alert.
After examining the options put up by Doval in consultation with the three service chiefs, the surgical strike option was chosen by September 23. {Side note: increasingly NSA called upon to play role of CDS}
Once the decision had been taken, Doval, Army chief Gen. Dalbir Singh and other operational planners discarded their mobile phones. All communications were direct or through highly secured lines only. Constant monitoring of the Pakistani political leadership and army brass, including the Rawalpindi-based X Corps in charge of PoK as well as the Gilgit-based commander of the Northern Areas, was carried out. As the strike plan was hammered out, Modi chaired some of the meetings.
The Army chief tasked his Northern Army Commander Lt Gen DS Hooda to segregate special forces troops from the 1, 4 and 9 parachute at his disposal, and prepare for action. The army build-up began on September 24. Meanwhile, the National Technical Research Organisation (NTRO) programmed Indian satellites to monitor the target area using GPS coordinates and link-ups as a result of which Delhi had real-time imagery of the strike through helmet-mounted cameras of Indian soldiers on D-day. Video footage of the entire action exists but has not been released to the public.
Given that Pakistan had activated its radars across the LoC, insertion of special forces through helicopters was ruled out. Special forces squads with night-vision devices, Tavor 21 and AK-47 assault rifles, rocket-propelled grenades, shoulder-fired missiles, Heckler and Koch pistols, high explosive grenades and plastic explosives crossed the LoC on foot. The teams were 30-strong each and had specific targets.
While the corps commanders were getting their men ready, the planners in Delhi went below the radar. Starting September 26, Doval held three meetings with the three military chiefs, foreign secretary, two intelligence chiefs, NTRO chief and the DGMO. No uniforms were allowed at these meetings; unmarked cars were used to meet at discreet locations around Delhi to discuss the plan as well as possible Pakistani retaliation.
Operational planners had narrowed things down to eight contingencies. It comes as no surprise that evacuation of civilians living close to border in Jammu and Kashmir and Punjab started at 10 pm on September 27, an hour before Indian soldiers went across.
D-day began with Special Forces squads slipping across the LoC towards designated targets. The plan was such that teams with distant targets left early on September 27 evening so that all strikes would be coordinated. The instructions were that all teams would engage the terrorists simultaneously so that none could rescue another. Using mortar and machine-gun fire from the Indian side to pin Pakistani troops down, the soldiers of the special forces crawled to their targets without meeting any resistance.
Sentries at the launchpads were neutralised by snipers before the troops went in and finished the job. Barring one soldier who stepped on a landmine, all teams returned to their bases by 9am on September 28. The surprise had been complete and there had hardly been any retaliatory fire.
Even as the operation was on, Doval received a call from his US counterpart Susan Rice. Although the US later said that Rice had offered India help against terrorism, the Modi government has kept this conversation top secret.
Throughout the operation, Modi, Parrikar, Doval, the service chiefs, DGMO, intelligence chiefs, NTRO chief, Northern Army Commander and his two corps commanders were awake and in touch. After the troopers returned, the operational planners, led by Doval, met Modi and briefed him.
After the operation, Modi called a meet of the Cabinet Committee on security, and DGMO Ranbir Singh called his Pakistani counterpart to inform him about the strike. Former prime minister Manmohan Singh was briefed by Modi after the CCS meet. Starting with Congress president Sonia Gandhi, Opposition leaders were briefed directly or at the all-party meeting held later the same day.
Gagan wrote:Pakis think that terrorism in J&K can be responded by attacks on POK onlee.
If there is any attack where these guys come in via the sea route, then the MARCOS should retaliate and make abduls feel the pain. Paki assets can be made to go into sudden & permanent submarine mode onlee
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A live feed of SF troopers conducting the operation was relayed at two places in the Tactical Headquarters Northern Command in Udhampur, Jammu and Kashmir, and the War Room in South Block, Delhi.
Sources said the NSA Ajit Doval had joined the Director General Military Operations (DGMO) Lt Gen Ranbir Singh and watched the entire night, as the operation unfolded around 800 kms away in PoK's Lepa Valley, Tatta Pani and Bimber areas across the LoC.
"The whole operation was filmed and the situation was being monitored from Delhi. In the wee hours, the PM was personally shown the captured feed,'' said a source privy to the events.
To avoid any suspicion, both officers arrived separately. Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar is also stated to have spent the night in his office and stayed there almost till dawn. Around three SF troopers had installed body worn video cameras on their helmets, which captured the moments from the time the soldiers crossed into PoK territory.
The transmission of the captured feed by the video cameras in Delhi and Jammu was done through satellites. Sources added that the video footage is evidence of the attack on the terrorists' launch pads in PoK and is likely to be released to the public.
Earlier on September 18, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar and Army Chief General Dalbir Singh Suhag, while returning from Srinagar on a military aircraft, had taken stock of the aftermath of the attack on the Uri brigade and discussed options. It is believed that Parrikar asked the army chief to give him three options that would involve demonstrable action against Pakistan. He wanted these options before he could report to the Cabinet Committee Security meeting (CCS).
Armed with the options, the defence minister went to the CCS meeting, which took inputs from various agencies — the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) the Intelligence Bureau (IB), the National Technical Research Organisation (NTRO) and National Security Adviser Ajit Doval. The NTRO and RAW were tasked to get an accurate assessment of the camps and launch pads, the strength of terrorists present there, along with Pakistani army regulars.
The Indian Army's Northern Command also had local intelligence through their Humint (human intelligence) about what was happening across the LoC. Finally, the chosen targets were across the areas under the jurisdiction of 19 Division (in Uri), 28 Division (in Kupwara) and 25 Division (in Rajouri).
The Pakistan military has denied that any cross-border raid was conducted by the Indian Army. It has claimed that it lost two soldiers due to shelling. "The video, if and when, released will confirm the reality of the scale of destruction and casualties on the Pakistan side,'' an Army source said.
While there were no casualties on the Indian side, two Special Forces troopers suffered injuries when they were returning from the LoC. Anti Personnel Mines are there around 5 km from the LoC to prevent any human/animal movement. "The soldiers have suffered some injuries. One is discharged and another is recovering in hospital in Jammu. Pakstani media had reported that eight soldiers were killed in the raids in Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir (PoK) and one was captured alive. But the Army denied it vehemently, saying the images played out on Pakistan TV channels claiming to show Indian casualties are doctored or morphed clips and 'absolutely fake'."
Details, trickling in from the Army, also said that to avoid any suspicion, and to distract attention of Pakistani security, helicopters flew in pairs from various bases. "Sortie after sortie in sectors like Uri on the Indian side of the Line of Control were used to lure Pakistan into concentrating on those areas. The army also used heavy-calibre weapons in Uri to draw Pakistan's attention there — allowing the commandos to move through other areas to trek to the targets, which had been placed under surveillance for a week," they said.
A section in the security establishment here believe that Pakistan may have closed its option for escalation by denying that Indian troops carried out "surgical strikes" in its territory, but there are others who are expecting a retaliation in the form of militants backed by its inflicting raids on Indian installations near the Line of Control.
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In the long term lies have interesting side effect - not all of which are negative to the liar.ranjan.rao wrote:These people are similar to kids who question moon landing yet believe WWE is for real . They have been tolerated for far too long. Videos should not be released as they may contain sensitive details
So, by that extension, if there were no funerals, therefore, there was no surgical strike. Or to put it in paki parlance, if Bibi did not scream, there was no rape.saip wrote:I heard a Paki asking a question "Where are the funerals if there was a surgical strike?" The amby seems to have fallen into the trap.
From Economic Times:Pakistan is like a thief bitten by a scorpion, cannot cry out even when in pain: M Venkaiah Naidu
By Aman Sharma & Vasudha Venugopal, ET Bureau | Oct 04, 2016, 07.11 AM IST Post a Comment
Why were the surgical strikes required?
Why were the surgical strikes required?
Pakistan has gone too far. It has been aiding, abetting, funding and training terrorists for long; it’s now an international secret. Many times we tried to counsel Pakistan, but it hasn’t walked the talk.
There have been 20 intrusion attempts. Then Pathankot, then Uri. People of the country were very upset. PM Modi, contrary to his image (everybody says he is very hard, etc), invited heads of states of all the Saarc nations to his swearing-in ceremony. He went to Lahore, an unprecedented event, and met all the members of Nawaz Sharif’s family.
Sharif had such a good relation with Modi…the last call he made from his operation table in London was to Modi, asking for his good wishes.
But what happened subsequently needs investigation. Whether it is Panama papers or Pak military…the moment Nawaz came back from London, he changed language and then these incidents happened.
So public anger is a factor?
The government gave a free hand to the Army that something preventive has to be done.
The wish of the ordinary people was that India should go and hit the terrorist camps. But there are limitations. Keeping that in mind, the Army made a surgical strike on the terrorist launch pads. It is the Pakistan Army which escorts terrorists and launches them into India. People are happy. People’s sentiment has been respected.
But Pakistan is denying the strikes...
There is a saying in Telugu: A thief bitten by a scorpion will never cry or shout inside your house but bears the pain. That is what is happening to Pakistan. So it is denying it.
Listen to the reaction of Pak defence minister on the very first day. He said it is aggression, then he said two Pakistani soldiers have died. Now he is saying nothing happened. Sharif said it was aggression. They don’t know whether to talk about it or keep quiet.
Is it because they are humiliated?
Naturally. They got it back. It was a foot operation done by the Army, no choppers were used. Our Army went 2-4 km inside and destroyed the launch pads. Pakistan knows the casualty figure. It is the same Indian Army as 10-20 years ago. But you need political clearance too.
PM cautioned Pakistan in Kozhikode.
Why not make video evidence public?
Let us wait. People of India and international community believe Indian government. You can never convince Pakistan. Pakistan has decided not to get convinced. Appropriate action will be taken by the defence ministry at an opportune time. No foreign country has contradicted us, no one sympathises with Pakistan.
Surgical strikes were done earlier too but not made public...
No problem. But this government has sent a signal to Pakistan and the international community. US killing Osama Bin Laden inside Pakistan made it clear that it was sheltering terrorists.
Now, international community is believing us because they know that Pakistan has done it earlier too.
We are not war-mongers. It was a pre-emptive strike. Even in old times, Ram and Ravana fought but Ram did not claim Lanka. We did not claim Bangladesh. We want Pakistan to behave — you take care of your country, we take care of ours.
Pakistani media claims there were no funerals or bodies on their side of the LoC...
It is a pity that Pakistan is not recognising its own citizens. That speaks of the current situation in Pakistan, a rogue state.
Even if Pakistan shouts a 1,000 times, it can never think of getting Kashmir. Not an inch will be given. We did not cross into Pakistan by crossing LoC. PoK is not a part of Pakistan, it is a part of India.
What should be the role of media?
Everyone is a citizen first, they have a responsibility towards the nation. National interest is people’s interest. I expect media to be objective, and, also, it should keep national interest in mind. Some people are aggressively criticising India on TV...
We are a free nation and believe in freedom of expression. It is for those people to think what they are doing. They are harming the country’s interest. In a way, they are serving Pak interest.
What about Pakistani film stars working here?
In normal times, there is no problem as art has no barrier. When such a situation arises, these people should keep local sentiments in mind. I am not advocating that they should be sent back.
If they condemn the Uri attack?
That will really help the situation.
being an indian nationalist is just non-pc in media.saip wrote:I heard a Paki asking a question "Where are the funerals if there was a surgical strike?" The amby seems to have fallen into the trap.
1971 Bangladesh is not just a pogrom but something bigger like Ethnic cleansing or massacre. it makes to the list, you can check. I know its off topic, sorry for digressionshiv wrote:I was recently greatly upset to find one article about "great pogroms of History" that as usual included Pol Pot and Hitler but not the Pakistan army. In 1971 the US government was complicit in protecting Pakistan's reputation - and the long term result of that is that Pakis are now able to deny that genocides took place
In general "perception wars" are never won 100% - there is always "another take". But if you look at national mood in India and perceptions - the narrative has shifted 180 degrees
sanjaykumar wrote:The GOI is releasing video next week as 'Tatti pani at Tatta pani'. Watch out Pakis.
Naah. The way I imagine the scene is that NaMo and Doval shouting MC/BC themselves in joy+angst+anxiety+adrenaline while punching in the air, jumping on sofa, hugging and cheering each other and kissing the 52' TV screen once the operation completes.Gagan wrote:Ha!
Indian commandos who did the surgical strike were probably asked not to use profanities when on the mission. All the senior brass would be listening in live. There was a strong possibility that both the PM and the Def Min would have been listening in.
BehnC**, MaaC**, BetiC** Paki, wouldn't have sounded nice at all ...
Is that diplomatic speak for Paki begging Hindu kufr not to escalate any further? Also, since nothing happened at the LoC, where is the cause for the escalation, hainjee?rsingh wrote:But but just today Bakistani NSA (ganja no 2) informed the bakistani media that Indian NSA talked to him and it was decided not to escalate the situation.
we must be buying out all the weapons in the illegal market in tsp land for the brave balochi freedom fighters.vishnua wrote: Wonder what exactly AD means denying the weapons to terrorists .
Yes, that's what I was thinking too. The same reason they are denying they ever captured our soldier on LOC, most probably he is being held for future exchange.rsingh wrote:I do feel that IA brought back some high-level scum from those camps. Bakistani are not sure if that scum is in the ashes of the camp or with indians (spilling beans). That explain unusual restrain from harami fauz and India is holding info to trap Bakistan . Rajnath ji gave the hint of this. Could you guys scan about some loud-fart missing from Bakistani flora and fauna?
