Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby A_Gupta » 05 Oct 2016 21:09

The simple strategic point is that an India that will not stand up for itself will not stand up for its allies; and hence an alliance with India would be useless.

It may be that the Army has conducted surgical strike-type operations in the past. But making the point publicly with a willingness to take all the possible diplomatic heat (and it turns out that India has had almost unanimous kudos from the international community) and other possible costs instead of hiding behind plausible deniability about such operations is the big game-changer.

Now Indian friend and allies in e.g., ASEAN, worried about China, can be somewhat more confident that India will extend itself to support them. Yes, this is only a first step, but the first step is usually the hardest.

The large set of small-minded politicians & journalists in India need to be schooled in this - there is no way India can be trusted to honor its defense and security commitments to other countries unless it defends itself against explicit threats first.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby sudhan » 05 Oct 2016 21:26

arun wrote:CNN-News18 journalist Manoj Gupta calls a senior Police official in Pakistan Occupied Jammu & Kashmir, namely one Ghulam Akbar, Superintendent of Police (Special Branch) of the Mirpur Range and claims he, Manoj Gupta, is Akbar’s boss and cons information that confirms surgical strikes were indeed carried out :lol: :

Surgical Strikes: Despite Days of Doctoring by Pakistan, Here's Proof From Across LoC

Full text of the purported conversation:

Surgical Strikes: Full Text of Conversation Which Exposes Pakistan's Lies


Can't help but feel bad for this afsar.. he's done for.. He is just another loose end to fix, to keep their 'no surgical strike' claim afloat.. He will probably never see daylight again..

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby shiv » 05 Oct 2016 21:33

I think Pakis will change the narrative fro denial to partial acceptance. The problem for them will be pressure form jihadi groups to strike - which has been set aside by claiming that there was no attack. Now that the initial shock has worn out they will say that there were some localized attacks - far far less than was reported by India and that their men fought valiantly. There were only 37 men against 150 Indians who came ready with equipment to take over parts of PoK and stay permanently, but were driven away inshallah.

This will open up space for more attacks from Pakistan - with adequate preparation. The Indian armed forces realize this perfectly well. But I think this time they will not let their guard down. If they do we will get hit. Even with caution there may be gaps and there is definitely an attack coming

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Bheeshma » 05 Oct 2016 22:12

I am not happy about only 5-12 paki soldiers being wiped off. Hope it is much more, at least 5-10X. The lashkar etc are cannon fodder anyway.

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Postby Rudradev » 05 Oct 2016 22:16

Bheeshma ji, 5-12 are the figures given by a Paki pulis afsar who thinks he is on the phone to a fauji mai-baap. He is $hitting his shalwar and trying to minimize the losses while being as vague as he can. This proves beyond any doubt that the strike took place, that's all. Sickulars will jump on the numbers given by this poor bugger as "proof that IA claims of casualties were overstated", but who gives a f**k what they say.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby chetak » 05 Oct 2016 22:22

sudhan wrote:
arun wrote:CNN-News18 journalist Manoj Gupta calls a senior Police official in Pakistan Occupied Jammu & Kashmir, namely one Ghulam Akbar, Superintendent of Police (Special Branch) of the Mirpur Range and claims he, Manoj Gupta, is Akbar’s boss and cons information that confirms surgical strikes were indeed carried out :lol: :

Surgical Strikes: Despite Days of Doctoring by Pakistan, Here's Proof From Across LoC

Full text of the purported conversation:

Surgical Strikes: Full Text of Conversation Which Exposes Pakistan's Lies


Can't help but feel bad for this afsar.. he's done for.. He is just another loose end to fix, to keep their 'no surgical strike' claim afloat.. He will probably never see daylight again..



sorry, misread post onlee.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby GShankar » 05 Oct 2016 22:22

Bheeshma wrote:I am not happy about only 5-12 paki soldiers being wiped off. Hope it is much more, at least 5-10X. The lashkar etc are cannon fodder anyway.


5-12 is either in one location or whichever locations under that guy. The 6 launch pads that were hit should be at the minimum be in 2 locations if not more. Real figures across all the locations would definitely be more imo.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Rudradev » 05 Oct 2016 22:23

shiv wrote:I think Pakis will change the narrative fro denial to partial acceptance. The problem for them will be pressure form jihadi groups to strike - which has been set aside by claiming that there was no attack. Now that the initial shock has worn out they will say that there were some localized attacks - far far less than was reported by India and that their men fought valiantly. There were only 37 men against 150 Indians who came ready with equipment to take over parts of PoK and stay permanently, but were driven away inshallah.

This will open up space for more attacks from Pakistan - with adequate preparation. The Indian armed forces realize this perfectly well. But I think this time they will not let their guard down. If they do we will get hit. Even with caution there may be gaps and there is definitely an attack coming


Shiv, escalation from the Pakis will come in the form of an attack on a soft target. 26/11 type if they can do it.

We have successfully established that SSG/BAT type attacks on our army installations will have a response of the 28/9 surgical strike type. We have furthermore deterred the Pakis from responding to this type of surgical strike retaliation with any type of conventional escalation... so much so that they have no choice but to deny the attack happened. So their most likely move is to escalate subconventionally.

What will we put on the menu as a retaliation to a 26/11 type attack against a soft target?

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Postby Gus » 05 Oct 2016 22:25

shiv wrote: Even with caution there may be gaps and there is definitely an attack coming


I really doubt that. Given our detection and response infra on our side, it would be hard for them to mount any attack that is not risky.

given their line of "no surgical strike", it would be hard to get on this side of LoC and get pasted and there is no way to explain that or claim credit. It is a dead end strategy.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby sudhan » 05 Oct 2016 22:33

Wonder where Harpal Bector and his G(r)andmaster of Shurawardy street are lurking...

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Prem Kumar » 05 Oct 2016 22:41

Exactly Rudradev! A 26/11 style attack with lots of local involvement will be the most likely response - preferably in the heartland (far from border).

Ball will be in Modi-Doval court: who will be your Surgical Strike target now?

What we've done is a great start. But we have some ways to go:

1) How do we strike deep into LOC?
2) How do we cultivate non-state actors to respond in kind: the CIT-X & CIT-J variety? We can't be sending SF each time. And sooner or later, someone is going to get captured/killed in Paki territory
3) How do we de-couple action & reaction?
4) How do we become pro-active with an end state in mind: a de-nuclearized, dismembered Pakistan permanently at war with itself until it self-destructs completely
Etc etc

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby salaam » 05 Oct 2016 23:02

sudhan wrote:Wonder where Harpal Bector and his G(r)andmaster of Shurawardy street are lurking...


Look around for funny sounding names. Another hint, they are trolling.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Falijee » 05 Oct 2016 23:18

BHOOKA NANGA Pakistan announces $ 500 million for Afghanistan at Brussels Conference

Advisor to Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs, Sartaj Aziz made the announcement while addressing the Conference on Afghanistan held in Brussels, Belgium, and underlined importance of a peaceful, stable and prosperous Afghanistan for Pakistan

The fresh pledge was in addition to $ 500 million existing package under which projects in infrastructure, education and health are nearing completion, Foreign Office said in a statement issued here on Wednesday.


Sartaj Aziz also announced that Pakistan has provided 3000 scholarships to Afghan students for higher education in Pakistan and after completion of this programme Pakistan would provide another 3000 scholarships in the fields of medicine, engineering, banking and others to help in building instituions of Afghanistan.


In true PAKI tradition, WORDS speak louder than ACTION !

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Gagan » 05 Oct 2016 23:23

salaam wrote:
sudhan wrote:Wonder where Harpal Bector and his G(r)andmaster of Shurawardy street are lurking...


Look around for funny sounding names. Another hint, they are trolling.

Names starting with a C for the first name and an S for the last name for example?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Bheeshma » 05 Oct 2016 23:25

Rudradev wrote:Bheeshma ji, 5-12 are the figures given by a Paki pulis afsar who thinks he is on the phone to a fauji mai-baap. He is $hitting his shalwar and trying to minimize the losses while being as vague as he can. This proves beyond any doubt that the strike took place, that's all. Sickulars will jump on the numbers given by this poor bugger as "proof that IA claims of casualties were overstated", but who gives a f**k what they say.


No need of ji please. just makes one feel older. But I agree it may be one post only.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby salaam » 05 Oct 2016 23:28

Gagan wrote:
salaam wrote:
Look around for funny sounding names. Another hint, they are trolling.

Names starting with a C for the first name and an S for the last name for example?


Gurudev, aap to antaryami hain.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Gagan » 05 Oct 2016 23:30

:lol:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Baikul » 05 Oct 2016 23:34

They say that most, if not all, armies prepare for the previous battle, the one they've already fought, rather than prepare for the one that that's coming. For example, there's a school of thought that believes that the US prepared for a cold war, large battle scenario instead of the lighter, low footprint wars they had to fight post 911.

But, while no expert by any means, I wonder if we at BR are erring by focusing on/ preparing for a big bang terrorist outrage of the type Pakis have already perpetrated comparatively recently, i.e. 26/11, instead of also trying to anticipate how they may try to change the game. I'm sure they will consider another Mumbai, but I doubt if they'll try another one. By all means 26/11 is a possibility, but let's cast a wider net.

I'm trying to think of terrorist scenarios that Pakistan believes will have a big and immediate (well, in 6 months or less) impact on India, but one unlike 26/11. What could it be, massive (I mean really massive, site destroying) explosions in Ayodhya, Akshardham? How about taking over an important religious Muslim complex/mosque in J&K with a large commando/ jihadi/soosai type of cadre liberally staffed by SSG, then local populations supporting them as we're forced to conduct a massive siege that ends in mayhem (anyone remember Hazratbal siege?). This would make sense if Pakistanis wish to (a) claim local hand onlee (b) fudge the issue internationally so India does not get a public reason to respond.

What else? Perhaps it would make sense to game the Pakistani response, short or medium term, on this or some other (assuming we do not have one already) thread. At the very least we have hit Paki H&D, so I strongly believe that they will hit us where they think our H&D resides. So what are some themes on where our H&D resides, mauleners? Bangalore/ IT (yes 26/11 attack maybe)? Economic growth/ exports? Sakoolarism? Nooklear installation?

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Postby Gagan » 05 Oct 2016 23:45

Pakistanis want to heat things up in Punjab. That is why all this show shaa on Khalistan.
I feel, train bombings or market bombings will happen
These guys will try to target religious places - They hope to shame Modi if a riot takes place.
Congress I and AAP and others will muddle the picture, along with their media walas.

Hazratbal type seige can be tackled very quickly, I feel.

I remember seeing Saifuddin Soz on TV last week. The guy had empty arguments, but was loudly raising the chinese bogie and talking about the chinese blocking our waters in retaliation for blocking Indus waters. One can easily imagine such self defeatist arguments being loudly broached by half arsed, low intellect idiots in policy meets in GoIs and State Governments of yore.

There will be ageing, dhimmi, low intellect politicians and breaucrats who will trot out such arguments all the time.

The times have changed for sure. India is treading a path that we have never treaded before. This is truly a big boys' league of our own!
Pakistan is a quagmire that is ours to solve.

The pakistanis are welcome to try and raise the stakes, we know EXACTLY what they have, and more importantly what they do not! There is no way they can win this - this is an unlimited stakes game, we can easily hurt them grievously, outlast them, very easily.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Gagan » 05 Oct 2016 23:47

I think, Modi - the politician and BJP the political party needs to keep their eyes and ears open. There is a lot of politicking going on, now that the dust looks like settling down (at least in the public domain).
They need to hold their cards close to their chest and release them at a time and place of their choosing :lol:

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Postby vijayk » 05 Oct 2016 23:51

I wonder if we can blow a Paki merchant ship originating from Karachi by accident and claim they are carrying nuclear weapons to NKorea. Just to show Paki turds we can be very destructive if they go ahead with any terrorist act.

I remember during Iran/Iraq war, Iran was stopping all ships. Then US war ship accidentally shot an Iranian plane of 300 passengers accidentally resulting in Iranian peace deal with Iraq. Sometimes innocents have to lose lives for greater cause I guess

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Narad » 05 Oct 2016 23:53

sudhan wrote:Wonder where Harpal Bector and his G(r)andmaster of Shurawardy street are lurking...

Saar can u please tell what /who is grandmaster of shurawardy. I am not able to find on br dictionary. Thanks

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Postby Rahul M » 06 Oct 2016 00:03

khayaban e suhrwardy is the road which houses the hq of an infamous paki organisation.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Rudradev » 06 Oct 2016 00:16

Baikul ji,

We have to look at the trends in changing Paki terrorist attacks and try to project these to estimate what form the next attack will take. Here are a few archetypal examples of attack types:

1) Mumbai March 93: Large amounts of RDX involved. This took a lot of effort and planning to smuggle in, store, and assemble. Literally on a light-industrial scale. Police vigilance thwarted future attempts on this scale using RDX.

2) IC814: Plane hijacked using knives. Tightened airline security has made these types of attacks next to impossible to replicate.

3) Mumbai Godhra train burning: mob gathers around a train, locks doors, pours petrol and sets the railcars on fire. Almost no preparation required in material terms. Leads to widespread outrage and communal violence. The counter is rapid police response to the site of any potential provocation. However as far as claiming "local hand", and shaming the GOI with ensuing communal violence, this is a good option from the Pakis' POV.

4) July 2006: RDX in pressure cookers on crowded local trains in Mumbai. Lower amounts of RDX used, because logistically easier. Also, pressure-cookers are easier for small cells to assemble, and the terrorist op is more secure because fewer people and facilities are involved. But diminishing use of RDX since this incident shows that security forces have become even more vigilant about effectively tracing the explosive even in small quantities.

5) Many other bomb attacks, 2006-2014: Varanasi, Hyderabad, Pune, Patna etc. used pressure-cooker type devices with other explosives like NH4NO3. However, these did not have the lethal force of IEDs using plastique, and casualties were relatively low. Hence the technique has been largely abandoned.

6) Mumbai 26/11 (an archetypal example of many other attacks including Akshardham). Fidayeen attack using antipersonnel military weapons: assault rifles, rocket launchers, grenades etc. against civilians. Risk to Pakistan is if a terrorist gets taken alive. Otherwise a lot of operational flexibility, terroristic impact, capacity to act on opportunistic targets like seizing foreign hostages etc. while giving the perception of bringing a whole city, its economy, and its security forces to a besieged standstill. Dhaka nightclub attack is another such op.

More Data Points:

The recent ISIS attacks in Europe (France, Belgium) and Istanbul have largely been a combination of IED+Fidayeen. Typically IEDs would go off first to cause some damage and present a diversion, then fidayeen would follow up with automatic weapons while panic and confusion persisted. This might be something the Pakis try next.

A couple of Haqqani Network guys were planning a new type of attack on a crowded Delhi temple using incendiaries, but chickened out last minute. That would have been new, and also stood a high chance of sparking civil disorder (burning people alive somehow stokes mob violence more effectively than most other kinds of atrocities).

Driving a truck through a crowd of people was another new form of attack seen in Nice. Similarly, knife attacks in Berlin and in Minnesota by solitary jihadis in public places.

The American-style Fidayeen attacks with automatic weapons (San Bernadino, Orlando) are less worrisome from our point of view. "Lone wolves" do not acquire automatic rifles in India, as a rule.

Finally, there is the possibility of a radiological bomb. I don't think the Pakis would have the guts to try this, given that nuclear retaliation could follow (especially under this PM) but you never know.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Bheeshma » 06 Oct 2016 01:00

Why wait for retaliation, a dogs tail cannot be straightened. Just keep hitting them till they crumble internally.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby g.sarkar » 06 Oct 2016 01:04

Gagan wrote:Pakistanis want to heat things up in Punjab. That is why all this show shaa on Khalistan.
I feel, train bombings or market bombings will happen
These guys will try to target religious places - They hope to shame Modi if a riot takes place.

Gaganji, They have already tried all these for decades and failed. And they were done when India was weaker (under MMS) and Pakistan was financially stronger (due to Sher Khan's money). Things have now changed drastically. Unless they devise something new, old tricks will not help to achieve their goals. And the only new thing in the area is the use of the nook bum. And in this path they will have to walk alone. They have been isolated from all other countries. Even the lizard will not like to bet on the outcome of the use of bum, as they have a lot more to lose than Pakistan.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Y. Kanan » 06 Oct 2016 01:46

hnair wrote:No, you are not stating things as they are. Actually, you are not even stating things selectively. You are joining those standing by the paki line and asking India to comply. This was the same situation during the Pokharan II, when everyone wanted India to publish data.


I am not a man of faith. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Pakis and apparently most BRF jingos are comfortable accepting things on faith. So be it - you are free to believe whatever you want to believe, but consider this: would any responsible Indian govt really send troops across the LOC into POK given the extreme risk that things would go terribly wrong? That would be reckless beyond belief.

What seems more likely is a concentrated artillery or MRLS barrage on targets within 1-5km of the LOC, probably aided by drone reconnaissance, human intel or other targeting info. This makes a hell of a lot more sense but sounds less exciting to the Indian public who want to hear about Bollywood-esque commando action scenes behind enemy lines.
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Postby salaam » 06 Oct 2016 01:50

Y. Kanan wrote:
hnair wrote:No, you are not stating things as they are. Actually, you are not even stating things selectively. You are joining those standing by the paki line and asking India to comply. This was the same situation during the Pokharan II, when everyone wanted India to publish data.


I am not a man of faith. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Pakis and apparently most BRF jingos are comfortable accepting things on faith. So be it - you are free to believe whatever you want to believe, but consider this: would any responsible Indian govt really send troops across the LOC into POK given the extreme risk that things would go terribly wrong? That would be reckless beyond belief.

What seems more likely is a concentrated artillery or MRLS barrage on targets within 1-5km of the LOC, probably aided by drone reconnaissance, human intel or other targeting info. This makes a hell of a lot more sense but sounds less exciting to the Indian public who want to hear about Bollywood-esque commando action scenes behind enemy lines.


Your suggestion will not rub the Pak H&D into the ground. Going in and beating them up will and did. Now go and get a life.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby A_Gupta » 06 Oct 2016 01:53

Y. Kanan wrote:
I am not a man of faith. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Pakis and apparently most BRF jingos are comfortable accepting things on faith. So be it - you are free to believe whatever you want to believe, but consider this: would any responsible Indian govt really send troops across the LOC into POK given the extreme risk that things would go terribly wrong? That would be reckless beyond belief.



And convincing you is important because...?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Y. Kanan » 06 Oct 2016 01:55

No need to convince me: it's the Paki citizens and military personell that need convincing.

My point is cross border firing that keeps upping the ante with ever-heavier weaponry (Smerch? Pinaka? Krasnopol shells? Brahmos?) is something we should certainly resort to regularly, and just keep ramping up the strikes until Pukes behave or escalate to full-blown war. Then if they do that, we pull out all the stops and pulverize them.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby g.sarkar » 06 Oct 2016 02:00

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/surg ... 81103.html
Exclusive: How India's para commandos used flame throwers, night-vision glasses to strike terrorists behind enemy lines
Three assault teams and one weapon team of 9 Para (SF) and 4 Para (SF) were pushed into PoK under the cover of darkness from four locations in Kel, Tutmari Gali, Nangi Tekri and Baalnoi post in Mendhar sector.
More details came to light today of the daring operation against terrorists by Indian Army para commandos behind enemy lines in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir.
Even as some politicians demand evidence on the surgical strike, India Today received fresh inputs from intelligence sources on the manner in which the commando operation was conducted.
.......
When troops reached villages housing the launchpads, they used the element of surprise to barge into buildings firing the Russian RPO7 flame throwers which created 3,000-degree Celsius temperatures in the building, causing massive explosions and destruction.
Overall, in the almost four-hour-long operations, four to five launchpads were attacked and the number of kills in these attacks is close to 50, sources said.
Following completion of the mission, the Special Forces informed the higher ranks who instructed them to use the same exfiltration routes that are used by the terrorists.
Once the troops returned, Army helicopters were sent to fetch the officers to take them to Udhampur and Nagrota for debriefing on the operation.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby shyamal » 06 Oct 2016 02:02

Y. Kanan wrote:No need to convince me: it's the Paki citizens and military personell that need convincing.


Pak citizens and military personnel deny OBL raid to this day.
Anyone with a ounce of grey matter in Pak know what has happened. Over the last 2-3 days slowly "its a fake" thing has stopped. Now it is "we want peace and we are united against Indian aggression".
In a few more days all pakis will tacitly accept that the strikes happened and their brave army was caught with its pants down 8)

But they will never acknowledge it explicitly.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby pankajs » 06 Oct 2016 02:12

g.sarkar wrote:Burning is good.

Fire for fire.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Gagan » 06 Oct 2016 02:37

This is the flame thrower that everyone is talking about
RPO-A Shmel
It is a 93mm rocket
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Compare this with the Carl Gustaf 84mm rocket launcher
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The pakis were at the receiving ends of both these beauties - a reflection of beauties from both the east and west, and Indian brawn

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby JE Menon » 06 Oct 2016 02:53

http://swarajyamag.com/politics/how-the ... y-war-game

An interesting article about what India may well be planning for Pakistan

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Gagan » 06 Oct 2016 03:00

Yaseen Malik has a metallic heart valve, is on warfarin

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby sudhan » 06 Oct 2016 03:32

Narad wrote:
sudhan wrote:Wonder where Harpal Bector and his G(r)andmaster of Shurawardy street are lurking...

Saar can u please tell what /who is grandmaster of shurawardy. I am not able to find on br dictionary. Thanks


As Rahul M said, The source of almost all of world terror, ISI has its a$$ frmly planted there. The grandmaster probably was who ever in charge of the India affairs in ISI.

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The building in the middle is most likely it. This should be the target of Bharat's wrath. No need for surgical shmurgical, go in with a sledgehammer and raze the damn place to the ground (half a dozen bmos should do)..Every single occupant is definitely up to no good.

Interestingly, Google maps does not show up isi as a location no more..

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby JwalaMukhi » 06 Oct 2016 04:07

napakis are thinking that India only has to fight when there is a full blown war. Else India should just be good and tolerate whatever pakis indulge in. That zamana is over. Pakis should be thinking of how to give up pakistaniyat, hand over Dawood to make it all right and eschew islamism. That is guaranteed peace.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby Prem » 06 Oct 2016 06:58

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinio ... 96390.html
Should the US support an independent Balochistan?

While its advocates clearly do not yet have broad support for their initiative, the campaign for an alternative Southwest Asian policy approach is maturing and garnering increased attention in Congress and beyond, especially as a result of three recent high-profile events: a Balochistan National Front strategy session in Berlin, a US congressional hearing on Balochistan, and the introduction of a Baloch self-determination bill before the US Congress.Regardless of whether you agree or disagree, it's nevertheless critical to understand how this alternative policy approach framework has evolved over the past few months.
The 'Berlin Mandate' as a loose framework

In early January, a bipartisan congressional delegation, led by Representative Dana Rohrabacher (Republican-California), held a "strategy session" in Berlin with Afghan opposition leaders, including the country's former intelligence chief. The meeting addressed constitutional reforms that would make Afghanistan a federal system.Meeting participants argued that vesting political and economic power in the provinces, instead of centralising power in Kabul, would protect the US' Northern Alliance allies from retribution at the hands of Pashtuns once the Taliban is fully reincorporated into the Afghan political system."Let's talk about creating a Balochistan in the southern part of Pakistan. They'll stop the IEDs and all of the weaponry coming into Afghanistan, and we got a shot to win over there."By advancing these policies, the attendees portrayed the Taliban's incorporation into Afghanistan's political system as a greater risk than the threat posed to Afghanistan's territorial integrity by their alternative - which would risk the partition of "Afghanistan between the minority-dominated north and the Pashtun south". This clearly runs counter to the the interests of Hamid Karzai's government.A few weeks later, Representative Louie Gohmert (Republican-Texas), a Berlin meeting attendee, added fuel to the fire by arguing in a video interview that the US should not just push for a new political system in Afghanistan but go further by rearming the Northern Alliance.In the same breath, Gohmert provided one of the first definitive links between support for the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan and Baloch nationalists in Pakistan: "Let's talk about creating a Balochistan in the southern part of Pakistan. They'll stop the IEDs and all of the weaponry coming into Afghanistan, and we got a shot to win over there."With these remarks, the two pillars of an alternative Afghanistan-Pakistan (Af-Pak) policy approach were now set: To advance its interests, the US should support the carving out of an independent Baloch state and semi-autonomous Afghan territories - even if it undermined existing US partnerships with the governments of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

In early February, Rohrabacher convened a public congressional hearing on Balochistan. While human rights violations in Pakistan's Balochistan province were discussed (per the agenda), the hearing also provided a forum to start a larger (and arguably off-topic) national dialogue on the viability of Southwest Asia's state borders.As a result of the hearing, witnesses - including Ralph Peters and M Hossein Bor - were able to argue that the dismemberment of Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan would serve the United States' long-term strategic interests. But, even more importantly, the hearing allowed the witnesses to inject their views into the larger debate on US foreign policy in Southwest Asia. This included Bor's controversial assertion (which was later censored in Pakistan) that supporting an independent Balochistan stretching from "the Strait of Hormuz to Karachi" would be a better policy approach than ongoing US efforts to counter the Iranian and Pakistani regimes.Rohrabacher, Gohmert, and Representative Steve King (Republican-Iowa) followed up the hearing by introducing a new bill in Congress stating that the Baloch nation has a historic right to self-determination. With this action, the congressmen went from "familiarising themselves" with Balochistan to calling for Congress to recognise the Baloch nation's right to sovereign independence in roughly a week.In many ways, this brought the "Berlin Mandate" full circle. In less than two months, a small group of congressmen, minority Afghan groups, Baloch nationalists, and their supporters had gone from voicing displeasure with the current Obama Administration's Af-Pak policy approach to advancing a revolutionary alternative policy approach that called for supporting the minority interests of the Northern Alliance and Baloch against the sovereign interests of Afghanistan, Iran, and Pakistan.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Postby CRamS » 06 Oct 2016 07:40

Y. Kanan wrote:
I am not a man of faith. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Pakis and apparently most BRF jingos are comfortable accepting things on faith. So be it - you are free to believe whatever you want to believe, but consider this: would any responsible Indian govt really send troops across the LOC into POK given the extreme risk that things would go terribly wrong? That would be reckless beyond belief.

What seems more likely is a concentrated artillery or MRLS barrage on targets within 1-5km of the LOC, probably aided by drone reconnaissance, human intel or other targeting info. This makes a hell of a lot more sense but sounds less exciting to the Indian public who want to hear about Bollywood-esque commando action scenes behind enemy lines.


Both Praveen Swami (no friend of BJP) and Ayesha Siddiqa (a Paki) conformed the commando raid. Of course, they differ on the casualty figures, but both did confirm the raid. On the exact # of casualties, I too have a question on how many. But in a fire fight situation like this, I doubt commandos will waste time counting the dead except to estimate. Thats why the DGMO did not mention an exact figure except to say significant casualties.

Question to you. Based on what US put out (if at all they did), and only just what they put out, can you convincingly conclude that OBL was taken out, and taken out in the manner claimed? The point being that one trusts US and its military. Whatever visual evidence they put out is only icing on the cake. Furthermore, even today, there are genuine doubts, and one doesn't have to be a Paki to have this doubt, as to whether US raid was as daring as claimed or lots of TSPA/ISI colluders were involved for what could have been the mega bucks they were paid. Recall, Symour Herche's expose.


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