Army strikes terror camps in PoK

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 06 Oct 2016 13:34

a) i wonder why did Americans didnt release OBL raid footage? Maybe praveen swami does not still believe OBL is dead !! b) which country releases spec ops footage? this is not routine planes releasing PGM on bunkers or gunships shooting running talibannies with thermal imagery...! i expected better from praveen swami. c) primacy of constitution/ civilian rule is demonstrated by the fact that there has been no coup in india..what more does praveen swami expects..i didnt hear anyone in USA say release OBL footage else we think the ops was fake !!

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 06 Oct 2016 13:43

manjgu wrote:ai expected better from praveen swami.

Therein lies the rub. Either your expectations were very low or you do not know Praveen Swami very well.

la.khan · Post by **la.khan** » 06 Oct 2016 14:43

Neela wrote:Twitter whispers.
A coffin for Hafiz?

Sir ji, aap ke mooh mein ghee shakkar! That would be awesome! AoA

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 06 Oct 2016 14:50

If GoI releases the footage, Praveen Swami and Kejriwal are still going to doubt it, just like Pakis refused Pathankot and 26/11 dosas

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 06 Oct 2016 14:54

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Paki ... 705863.cms

Pakistan army caught by surprise, lost 5 men: PoK cop reveals in sting operation.
note PA regulars are involved in trans border transportation of militants.

vinod · Post by **vinod** » 06 Oct 2016 15:05

I expect a TSP attack tonight\tomorrow...
India struck within 10 days of Uri.. so Pak will have to do even better.
Tomorrow is Friday. The halal day!
Dawn giving an impression of they are going to act against militants(at least civilians side of TSP).. of course we know better...

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 06 Oct 2016 15:15

This changed stance coming from Pakistan is the result of the #SurgicalStrikes:

http://www.dawn.com/news/1288350/exclus ... l-military

ISLAMABAD: In a blunt, orchestrated and unprecedented warning, the civilian government has informed the military leadership of a growing international isolation of Pakistan and sought consensus on several key actions by the state.

As a result of the most recent meeting, an undisclosed one on the day of the All Parties’ Conference on Monday, at least two sets of actions have been agreed.

First, ISI DG Gen Rizwan Akhtar, accompanied by National Security Adviser Nasser Janjua, is to travel to each of the four provinces with a message for provincial apex committees and ISI sector commanders.

The message: military-led intelligence agencies are not to interfere if law enforcement acts against militant groups that are banned or until now considered off-limits for civilian action. Gen Akhtar’s inter-provincial tour has begun with a visit to Lahore.

Second, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has directed that fresh attempts be made to conclude the Pathankot investigation and restart the stalled Mumbai attacks-related trials in a Rawalpindi antiterrorism court

....

https://www.dawn.com/news/1288381

ISLAMABAD: PPP leader Aitzaz Ahsan addressing a joint session of parliament on Thursday said Pakistan is isolated because it gives freedom to non-state actors.

"The government has been completely unsuccessful in imposing restrictions on non-state actors according to the National Action Plan."

He implied that such actors continue carrying out protests, rallies and giving speeches in Islamabad, Lahore, Faisalabad and Karachi.

"I don't want instability in any country, as the blame of that will then fall on us because of these non-state actors," he said.

...

This operation is emerging to be one of the most important in our history! Credits to NaMo government

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 06 Oct 2016 15:18

mota sharif must have got track2 messages from sugar daddies in gulf, eu, us that investments and bond ratings downgrades could be imminent unless some cleanup be done. even a criminal nation like theirs needs a white part of the economy to live by day to day. and things like ratings impact the cost of doing business.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Oct 2016 15:29

Problem is: Sharif ordering army to do something is like Kejriwal ordering Modi to do something. Equally funny and even less likely to get any results

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 06 Oct 2016 15:48

Exactly, Pakistan is in the same mode as Jan 2002, theey now want to do an eyewash.

juvva · Post by **juvva** » 06 Oct 2016 15:54

This looks like they are desperately trying to buy some time, and prevent another strike from India.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 06 Oct 2016 16:12

Baba ramdev has asked salman khan to get the ban on indian actors in tsp lifted

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 06 Oct 2016 16:34

Sharif-Sharif playing the good-cop bad-cop act, it's funny to watch.

Personally I hope they don't change their strategy mid-way and continue on their one-way fast trip to hell. Quick implosion of their two-nation experiment, followed by UN mandated balkaniation & nuclear defanging is a better outcome than having them "see the light" and "mend their ways" only to recede a decade later.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 06 Oct 2016 17:12

https://www.thequint.com/uri-attack/201 ... ed-kashmir
Terror camps in Leepa Valley in PoK were the main targets of the 20th September stealth operation
The counter-terror action in Leepa Valley was “especially brutal”
The strikes took place over two phases: the first on 20 September and the other on 28 September
Terror camps without Pak army ‘protection’ were mainly targeted
According to an army source, the biggest achievement was bringing back alive 20 terrorists to India

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 06 Oct 2016 17:31

So Quint is quoting itself regarding the 20th September "operation"? I doubt there was one - that would have raised alert levels to an all-time high, even ended up clearing the pigstys with vermin being sent back to base camp; making the actual operation of the 28th a dud.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 06 Oct 2016 17:32

Our ministers need to shut up about the LOC operation. Even Modi is angry at them.
Just do what needs to be done in silence and cut the yapping.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 06 Oct 2016 17:34

KJo wrote:Our ministers need to shut up about the LOC operation. Even Modi is angry at them.
Just do what needs to be done in silence and cut the yapping.

Now who ran their mouth?

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 06 Oct 2016 17:47

yensoy wrote:So Quint is quoting itself regarding the 20th September "operation"? I doubt there was one - that would have raised alert levels to an all-time high, even ended up clearing the pigstys with vermin being sent back to base camp; making the actual operation of the 28th a dud.

If Pakis cannot even acknoledge that the strike happened, then why would they raise alert levels. This is what happens if you believe your own lies.

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 06 Oct 2016 18:44

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Primus · Post by **Primus** » 06 Oct 2016 18:52

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yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 06 Oct 2016 18:52

Aditya G wrote: If Pakis cannot even acknoledge that the strike happened, then why would they raise alert levels. This is what happens if you believe your own lies.

Oh come on, they know exactly what happened

and regardless of outward posturing they would have raised alert levels if they indeed got pummeled on the 20th.

shravanp · Post by **shravanp** » 06 Oct 2016 18:55

@awarabadal: Mr Gandhi it is evident you don't know abc of democracy. In democracy it is the duty of its people to question its Army and Gov Ex: Vietnam, Iraq etc.

G@ndus like Pravin Swami, Ajai Shooklaw have been echoeing this narrative for past couple of days. Look like they all have a single source of editor-in-chief. Few months ago, it was "You just want Kashmir land, and not the Kashmiris!!".

williams · Post by **williams** » 06 Oct 2016 19:10

Just ignore these fools and strike them where it hurts the most. A simple boycott of their media outlets will do. But I hope our intelligence folks are talking note. They should seriously investigate if these guys have any foreign link or some other skeletons. If they do, a simple leak will finish them off. We need a serious media war cell in our intelligence depts.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 06 Oct 2016 19:17

shiv wrote:Problem is: Sharif ordering army to do something is like Kejriwal ordering Modi to do something. Equally funny and even less likely to get any results

Agreed saar. This is pure poppycock onlee.

Meant to appease gullible folks on both sides of the border.

GShankar · Post by **GShankar** » 06 Oct 2016 19:27

chetak wrote:
shiv wrote:Problem is: Sharif ordering army to do something is like Kejriwal ordering Modi to do something. Equally funny and even less likely to get any results
Agreed saar. This is pure poppycock onlee.

Meant to appease gullible folks on both sides of the border.

Well, baldy has public sympathy on his side for now. Very soon the paki fake pride that was severely hurt, will need a scape goat. I really hope it turns against jihadis, isi and pak army in any particular order.

And 3.5 would not approve a coup in the current environment and even if that happens, it will also give modi the opportune moment to regain PoK.

By all means, badmash is out in a few weeks. Baldy would be smart to get an 'amenable' army chief. Not sure if one such person exists in the jihadi army.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Oct 2016 19:31

chetak wrote:
shiv wrote:Problem is: Sharif ordering army to do something is like Kejriwal ordering Modi to do something. Equally funny and even less likely to get any results
Agreed saar. This is pure poppycock onlee.

Meant to appease gullible folks on both sides of the border.

And it has an instant effect. People on BRF, on Twitter (ex armed forces) and media are thinking that Pakis have become reasonable after a strike which they have denied.

Indians are either very naive or are genuinely afraid of war with Pakistan and may be hoping that this surgical strike has ended it all.

My prediction of that terrorism might taper off for a bit - only to start at a time when it is embarrassing for the GoI

Having started aggressive responses we need to listen to the army and give them their sic months to smash the terror infrastructure by pummelling Pakis.

Lets face it. An actual spectacular raid into Pakistan to take out terror camps within 5 km was needed as a morale booster for the entire country as much as a signal to Pakistan. But they can all be smashed by artillery except that Pakis will put their camps in populated areas. But they must be smashed again and again until jihadis shit in their pants at the thought of turning up at the Indian border. Nothing short of that has the remotest chance of working

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 06 Oct 2016 19:53

Muns wrote:Folks, my take on the URI attack ;

Pakistani Munafiqun, A door to Paradise?

To extend this logic, if Pakistani’s are indeed God’s chosen people by almighty Allah, then why does the Pakistani nation repeatedly seem to lose every engagement be it moral or martial to a land of unbelievers. Why does the Kafir nation seem to continually progress on so many different fronts be it international, militarily or scientifically? Pakistan unfortunately remains only infamous for its terrorist accomplishments. While India places satellites different orbits of the earth and planets beyond, how do Pakistanis rationalize these ongoing achievements by their most hated enemy?
http://www.india-aware.com

Comments appreciated! Thanks!

Very nice piece Muns Ji. Enjoyed reading it.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 06 Oct 2016 19:58

Kashi wrote:
KJo wrote:Our ministers need to shut up about the LOC operation. Even Modi is angry at them.
Just do what needs to be done in silence and cut the yapping.
Now who ran their mouth?

Modi’s message to Cabinet Minister who are beating chest on Surgical Strikes
http://www.thelotpot.com/modis-message- ... -see-here/

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 705206.cms

I saw Parrikar say this.

After surgery, Pakistan still under anesthesia: Parrikar
Read more at http://www.uniindia.com/after-surgery-p ... 4mC8Sjf.99

shravanp · Post by **shravanp** » 06 Oct 2016 20:10

There's nothing wrong in taking a bit of credit. BJP is actually justifiable in taking some political capital out of this operation. People should know and have right to know the difference between previous regime and current. Media will distort this and exaggerate it as chest-thumping, but then so be it. Gaging other loud mouths in previous times was understandable, but what Parrikar-ji is doing is totally fine.

Even before MP said anything, media/AAP/Congoons were on preemtive strike on BJP by telling them not to be political. As if they haven't done anything political - be it killing of peasant in AAP rally, Vemulla, fake agitations...list is endless.

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 06 Oct 2016 20:16

shravanp wrote:There's nothing wrong in taking a bit of credit. BJP is actually justifiable in taking some political capital out of this operation. People should know and have right to know the difference between previous regime and current. Media will distort this and exaggerate it as chest-thumping, but then so be it. Gaging other loud mouths in previous times was understandable, but what Parrikar-ji is doing is totally fine.

Even before MP said anything, media/AAP/Congoons were on preemtive strike on BJP by telling them not to be political. As if they haven't done anything political - be it killing of peasant in AAP rally, Vemulla, fake agitations...list is endless.

The executive decision was of the Prime Minister. He delivered a key promise he made during election. He and his team can definitely take credit.

They are not taking the credit away from Indian Army at any stage.

salaam · Post by **salaam** » 06 Oct 2016 20:17

PM Modi hiding behind the blood of jawans, doing 'dalali' of their sacrifice: Rahul Gandhi - ToI Link

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 06 Oct 2016 20:24

Porkies are really really stacking up in Italy.

On a business trip my flight from Frankfurt to Bolonga was packed with porkies. All in their trademark frocks. One even had a big heated argument with their immigration authority and was led away by authorities to a different room.

There are way many more Indians (non-muslim Punjabis from India) in Italy mostly employed in farming and milk based industry., and many are seasonal workers (go to work in vineyards, fruit industry, etc during season). On one trip to back home many of them got into plane from Germany (about 50+ couples all going to Delhi)., and I had to fill all of their paper work (since they were illiterate) . So you might mistake Indian punjabis for Pakjabis!! now france is another story (way too many pakjabis there).

I will believe that Pakjabis have arrived in Italy when there are terrorist strikes in Italy (just like in France, Belgium, etc).

Another country where Indian illiterate punjabis have settled en masse is spain. (New Zealand and Australia too). most of them are non-professional employed in Agricultural related businesses.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 06 Oct 2016 20:25

Muns, a very perceptive bit of analysis. Hope to see more from you! Perhaps you should submit this and similar pieces to news sites like Swarajya, etc. This would elevate your profile as a public commentator beyond a personal blog.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 06 Oct 2016 20:29

Aditya G wrote:If GoI releases the footage, Praveen Swami and Kejriwal are still going to doubt it, just like Pakis refused Pathankot and 26/11 dosas

I read somewhere that Kujli is a hero in TSP. Some twiter tag to the effect of "TSP stands with Kejri" is trending big. What a disgrace.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 06 Oct 2016 20:48

Pappu made a statement saying "Khoon ki Dalali" going on or something to that effect in a political rally just now. Insulting IA and GOI now. Another "mouth ki saudagar" moment.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 06 Oct 2016 20:51

Muns, tweeted and facebooked your article. Great work, and keep it going. Your article is yet another article that attacks the foundation of Pakistan - Islam. If Pakistani's find that Islam does not give what it promises, mullahs and armies can no longer herd the aam muslims as sheep.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 06 Oct 2016 20:58

There is no need to disclose details of op : finally good sense prevails! http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/it-was-1 ... ar-1470971

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 06 Oct 2016 20:59

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 720112.cms

See and do not vomit.

vinod · Post by **vinod** » 06 Oct 2016 21:05

KJo wrote:
Kashi wrote:
Now who ran their mouth?
Modi’s message to Cabinet Minister who are beating chest on Surgical Strikes
http://www.thelotpot.com/modis-message- ... -see-here/

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 705206.cms

I saw Parrikar say this.
After surgery, Pakistan still under anesthesia: Parrikar
Read more at http://www.uniindia.com/after-surgery-p ... 4mC8Sjf.99

Isn't Parrikar the defence minister of the country? Modi said no one not authorised to speak should speak.. do you think the defence minister is not authorised to speak on matters relating to country's defence? For that matter, I think govt. has to communicate to the people. So, Modi's message was most likely to MOD officials and BJP party members who are not part of the govt.'s decision making.

As far as I can see, no loose talk has happened and opposition has been pretty frustrated.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 06 Oct 2016 21:26

Yagnasri wrote:Pappu made a statement saying "Khoon ki Dalali" going on or something to that effect in a political rally just now. Insulting IA and GOI now. Another "mouth ki saudagar" moment.

Congress Party needs to call an emergency session and suspend Mr. Gandhi's membership.