In order to carry ration, ammunition and other essential supplies at an altitude of 13,000 feet, army turns to mules, since no vehicle can traverse the treacherous narrow path in the region that is situated at the Line of Control.
A jawan once gave me the lowdown on mules in the army. There are three types of mules - there is one for general load carrying, General Service. The second is the sturdier type, used to carry dismantled artillery guns called the Mountain Arty. And the third variety is used for riding.
The Indian Army is in the process of breeding some 10,000 crossbred Zanskar ponies to be supplied over a period of five years. These horses are said to be a more sturdy and disciplined lot than the mules presently used for ferrying ration, arms and ammunition for soldiers in high altitude zones not accessible by vehicle.
It was not an easy task as it took eight years for scientists at the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) to succeed in meeting the Indian Army’s requirement of ponies, which are lifeline for soldiers in the mountain region of Kashmir valley.
Rakshaks (forgive me in advance for seeming to veer off topic; because I do come right back)…
This is my first public writing on this topic, so let me begin by congratulating the Modi administration and certainly the man himself for green-lighting these apparently highly successful anti-terror operations, and also the Indian military and non-military involved in pulling them off so smoothly. None of what I will write below is intended to diminish my congratulations for what I can tell were certainly successful and necessary strikes taken in defence of India. Yet I feel compelled to regrettably raise a potential problem, voice some dissent and interject an idea or two, for the discussions here.
Make no mistake, my first reaction was to send celebratory SMS messages ending with “Jai Hind”, and nothing has changed in this regard. But I feel obliged to mention that Pakistan is now desperate to hit back very hard, on an accelerated schedule, and this should not be disregarded just because we’re all in a celebratory mood. Indeed, there have always been many threats emanating from Pakistan toward India, and so I will not now play-up any of these terrible scenarios as a call for some kind of ‘soft shoe dance’ with the TSP; not the least because nine and four Paras already did their dance right under Pakistan’s big-bad nook umbrella.
Yet, it does behoove Rakshaks to consider what might be coming down the barrel, as well as what might be better done for the next dance, and make preparations as necessary.
Not to digress, but I’ve never believed the “official story” about MH-370; and I’ve always worried that the world would find out what happened to that aircraft in the worst way imaginable. For that matter, I’ve never believed the “official 9/11 story” either, in part because I know that itty bitty hole in the Pentagon could never have been made by a Boeing 757. This got me wondering about worst case scenarios in this genre; and the possibility of retrofitting a passenger plane into some kind of over-sized, airborne EFP (explosively formed projectile); and aiming it at the one target in India that could seriously hamper India’s development for decades or even longer, the fast breeder reactor operated by BARC.
Please understand where I’m coming from on this: It should be obvious by now that Pakistan and Pakistanis don’t know what to say about these recent anti-terror strikes; but neither do the Americans, and their silence speaks even louder than does Pakistan’s. It should also be sufficiently obvious that Amreeka still has plans for the TSP, and it would be a mistake to assume that the only purpose the Kahns have for Pakistan is the supply route to Afghanistan. Kindly remember that the whole ‘geostrategic purpose’ of Pakistan, from the very start, has been to “contain” India. In this endeavour, the TSP has had much support over the years, and those facts should not fade into foggy memory. To be clear on this point, the “nuclear umbrella for terrorism” was an active policy supported by Khans, among others including the Chinese nuclear establishment. The fact that Pakistan also serves as a conduit into Afghanistan is a separate issue, and by no means the whole deal – never lose site of this.
So therefore, it behooves Rakshaks to not get fixated on what is obvious, and to try to out-think what everyone can agree is a dastardly enemy. (NB: I don’t mean all Pakistanis or Pakjabis even, I mean the “malign actors” with the effective control of terrorists and nukes used backstop them.)
To clarify further: I’m worried that someone very well trained and equipped snuck onto MH-370 as it was on the tarmac, hid in the maintenance bay until after take-off, commandeered the aircraft by controlling the computer, and killed everyone by sabotaging the emergency oxygen system; finally flying the plane to a place or places where it could eventually be converted into a flying machine of destruction; purpose-built to “contain” India. Remember, this is an American-made Boeing 777ER, and the Pentagon plane was supposedly a Boeing 757. (I have since learned that there are a number of large planes missing in the world, which should be looked in to also.) Remember also, the only evidence of MH-370’s alleged route comes from a British satellite navigation company, and only a small piece of the aircraft was ever found (which had been in the water for the correct amount of time – a very small piece of the aircraft that could be easily replaced).
Consider: If competent people have enough time and money and access to these aircraft, they could gut the interiors, install something akin to an oversized, single-shot cannon, affix a laser designator and fly it in such a manner that it illuminates (lases) the target. Detonating the charge to create a multi-tonne EFP of molten metal powerful enough to pierce the no-doubt airplane-proof fortifications around BARC’s FBR. Not only would this put India’s plans for a blue-water navy back by a couple of decades at least; it would create a highly toxic and disastrously radioactive cloud that would mostly blow across the width of India, perhaps for months! Such a scenario would be radiologically more severe than Chernobyl and Fukushima combined.
Please forgive me for so rudely interrupting the celebrations ongoing in this thread. I’m truly sorry to be a “party pooper” but, A] that honestly isn’t my intention in writing the above, and B] it is my nature to grow more suspicious as those around me seem to drop their guard. If I knew the proper peeps were worrying about such things, I might be better able to relax. I wrote this up because IMO this is the “worst case scenario” as far as TSP’s potential terror plans for India. Recognize this also would perpetuate US hegemony for at least another half century; and the stakes of this game are not lost on me. (So I’m looking for reassurance, at the very least, that this threat scenario has been brought to the attention of the proper authorities, whom I have no idea who they are or how to efficiently reach them. I’m hoping some other Rakshak here does, and I’d appreciate reassurance on this count especially.)
Since I can guess what some may be thinking of what I wrote… IMO Anyone with even a basic understanding of physics and specifically the laws of motion should be able to tell that “the official 9/11 story” cannot explain the free-fall speed of collapse of the WTC towers; among many other things. As for the Pentagon plane; please look at the pictures taken that day, and try to convince yourself that a Boeing 757 made that tiny hole. Still need convincing? Watch the films or do the reading produced by reputable groups such as “Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth” or “Pilots for 9/11 Truth” or “Firefighters for 9/11 Truth” or “Military Officers for 9/11 Truth”. Sorry to ramble now, but I thought I should add these remarks as “back-up”.
Jee hardies with guns blazing should really be seen as the least of India’s worries; because as bad as this can certainly get, worst is certainly worth worrying about also. Given the terrible cost of this worst-case scenario, I think it’s worth recognizing the danger in the open, and ensuring that it never even gets off the ground.
Recognize the pattern and the effect. Consider that if the American cabal of…… let’s just call them “Satanists” for want of a better term….. Have the will and apparently also the ability to pull-off 9/11 and get the bulk of the ignoranti to ‘buy in’ and ‘go along’, likely with some variant of the “LIHOP” ploy (Let It Happen On Purpose, AQ Skyjackings, as cover for charge demolition job on the WTC and the lucrative aftermath of invading Iraq and installing the surveillance state. For more information please see “Project for a New American Century”.)
So, with consideration that there is a cabal of real supremo scum buckets “in charge” and up to no good; who are willing and able to pull-off something as big and nasty as 9/11 (which produced a spare 757 as a by-product, perhaps two if you count the “Shanksville” plane which has never been recovered, even though this is counter to US law and the habit of every other air crash in US history). Further consider that these same scum buckets have a favourite “toy” which is the TSP, which they are still caring for most affectionately… I’m talking about a cabal that certainly has long-term plans which include the maintenance of hegemony and keeping India from ever consuming material resources at the per capita rate the United States does and feels entitled to do for the indefinite future.
Know thyne enemy.
I’m truly sorry to ‘rain on the parade’, especially since this parade is long overdue, but these are life and death issues, and Rakshaks mustn’t lose sight of what is trying to bite Bharat. So: What I want to hear from Rakshaks is that it’s impossible to fly anywhere near that fast breeder reactor, and that the military is prepared and able to shoot-down anything that gets close at a moment’s notice. I want to hear about the ability to jam GPS in the vicinity of the BARC FBR and anywhere else where large amounts of nuclear fuels are stored in tight proximity. I’d also like to hear about WP shells in the AAA mix to defeat targeting and range-finding lasers that might be used against the FBR, etc. I understand a bit about the way Arjun’s Kanchan armour works, and wonder if something similar could be installed, perhaps secondary to explosive reactive armour or some such, scalled-up as necessary to protect vital installations. I want to hear that this whole scenario is not possible, but that if it were, it would fail because Indians are prepared and on guard against it. That’s what I want to hear.
Now for the dissent: I will not call for the release of video to prove what was done, because I don’t need to see proof and wouldn’t want to risk divulging any operational details. I can wonder and guess how nine and four Paras crossed the LoC, did their business in tidy fashion and left without raising any alarms; and I don’t need to imagineer HAHO insertion or RPO Shmels (because they’re too precarious, and too loud, respectively). Indeed, part of the deliciousness of this kind of an operation, is leaving the enemy wondering just how it was pulled-off, so I won’t care to speculate in the open.
On the contrary, now is an opportune moment for disinfo…. “Wearing articulated stilts, navigating through dense forest in pitch darkness equipped with sonic NVGs, the commandos infiltrated across the LoC, assumed deadly yoga positions and let forth with flames from their tactical sphincters, incinerating lesser jee hardies in the first pass. Afterward, high value targets were zip-tied, ball-gagged and floated-out on stealth balloons. They are currently enjoying chai and biskoot, and are proving to be quite talkative enjoying bon homie with their jovial hosts.”
The thought of this gave me an idea for “next time”. Why not lug along some extra kit, including some mines, signs warning that mines have been laid, plus a cylinder of helium, used to inflate a transparent balloon suspending invisible lines high into the sky, from which a GIANT INDIAN FLAG is flown over PoK. Let the flag-up just before sunrise, and make sure all and sundry can see it waving proudly over the terror camp cleansed by the righteous flames of pre-emptive defense. Ideally, this flag would also be filmed by media and broadcast for all those pesky nay sayers.
I’ll be following this thread closely now, and welcome responses of all kinds.
oooo i was told that this surgical strike was code named "Op Suhag Raat" in honour of Gen DS Suhag ! .... ooo HIndu trying to protect congressi HD ! i think the President as Commanderin Chief of Def forces should have spoken abt Suhag Raat on national TV and then the DGMO could have taken up. I think then no one would have been making politcal captial like Kejriwas and Pappu?
1) The noise problem is well known and surely has to be addressed if the mules have combat roles. A standard car today is very quiet and I have no doubt that the technology to make mule-bots quiet can be integrated though I have very little idea why it has not been done so far.
2) Even today the noise does not take away the robotic mule's feasibility in non combat logistics such as resupply to remote locations such as mountain outposts.
3) Other options such as creating a mule exoskeleton for boosting payload can be considered.
4) As of today such machines are slow and noisy... but they have one thing that make them likely to outperform natural selection... human genius
tandav wrote:4) As of today such machines are slow and noisy... but they have one thing that make them likely to outperform natural selection... human genius
I've been hearing this for too many years so I remain sceptical. I don't think human genius is necessarily as much as it is advertised to be - especially when it is stated as a "potential" - i.e something that is "going to happen in future because of human genius" - so I am out of this discussion.
When real working mules arrive - ones that don't need fuel oil or battery recharge and can work on grass and locally available material with no separate logistic supply for the robots and they have their own inbuilt factory line to manufacture themselves - I will come back and salute human genius.
Doesn't matter what they want. What matters is what we do. If we keep protecting our interests with the full comprehensive national power - military, diplomatic , economic , diaspora , we will prevail. Don't forget this is a post global Islamist world. Hit them and keep hitting them.
Guys how many times must the same thing be repeated ??!? All ops before the recent one were very shallow local actions to avenge paltan Izzat. It needed a gutsy CO and Bde Cmdr as there never was any political sanction. A few pokies were halal led and some of our officers were censured for acting. IT WAS NOT A USE OF NATIONAL MIGHT WITH POLITICAL WILL. No comparison whatsoever as any officer including COAS will tell you. Please don't get carried away by this bs that we have done this before. Only serves to build the false narrative that red lines have not been crossed and nuclear bluff still exists. What the political will and army accomplished will be wiped out by our citizens buying the BS.
there is no Q of getting carried away Kapoor saar. In fact any thing coming from dubious news outlet like The Hindu that too re Indian strategic interests are thoroughly dissected before being consumed, this is the advantage of being on BRF.
This is clear current op is unique in that military might and political willingness combined to punish Pk. This is of much higher scale and magnitude, Previous regime due to electoral compulsions and compromised security interests could never muster this courage. I am flabbergasted by a newspaper having access to such a content rather than army op itself!
Jai Hind onlee...!!
JEM did Uri and we hit them and LeT and it seems LeT for lot of terrorists killed. Slowly JeM numbers also will come. But I wonder why these things are being leaked now/
Chetak wrote:the congis hitting back, via the anti national Hindu, china's national newspaper in India
Operation Ginger: Tit-for-tat across the Line of Control
Note the psyops of Al-Chindu in creating an equal-equal b/w suppressed squad level local ops retaliating at an Paki army outpost(operation ginger) to be same as the Surgical strike along a 250km frontier against 7 terror launch pads simultaneously deep inside POK.
There was nothing on their minds except the success of their mission. Not the 19 soldiers who had been killed in Uri on September 18, nor their fate if they were captured alive.
An Indian colonel taking on three Pakistani panelists and the anchor.. Awesome time pass.. and not very difficult to follow..
In my humble opinion, this is sad actually. Why is the Indian colonel wasting his time wrestling ****? It's not like they will agree to anything he says. All it is doing is giving the news channel some legitimacy of having a panelist with an opposing view.
It is a subtle deference but totally agree shivji. In my personal life also I have been trying to hammer this into people,s heads, not amongst the best but the best, full stop.I measured my chest recently and I found my chhati has become more than 56 inch since 9/28.
shiv wrote:Anyone have a link to a video of Hapiss Suar Saeed in the aftermath of the strike
Gagan wrote:Didn't want to post this, but Half-is-suar Saeed's speech is here. This ugly fat pig goatnaps the wives of the terrorists he sends across the LOC, and keeps them as his left had possession.
HAFIZ SAEED GOT SCARED AND GIVING OPEN THREAT TO NARENDRA MODI AND INDIAN ARMY
shiv wrote:Anyone have a link to a video of Hapiss Suar Saeed in the aftermath of the strike
Or, even the other Paki pig Ma$$ood Azhar? I recollect seeing on TV, Hapiss Suar Saeed fulminating against India after the surgical strikes but not a word from Ma$$ood Azhar. Either he was killed in the surgical strikes or they picked him up and is currently enjoying the hospitality of IA/GoI.
shiv wrote:Anyone have a link to a video of Hapiss Suar Saeed in the aftermath of the strike
Or, even the other Paki pig Ma$$ood Azhar? I recollect seeing on TV, Hapiss Suar Saeed fulminating against India after the surgical strikes but not a word from Ma$$ood Azhar. Either he was killed in the surgical strikes or they picked him up and is currently enjoying the hospitality of IA/GoI.
But do 'terror big shots' like Hafiz Sayeed and Masood Azhar visit frontline terror launch pads near LoC? Unlikely. If at all one of them was killed or caught, it only means Indian SF did far more than what has been reported so far.
If Masood pig is killed - TSP Army cannot admit as stikes never happened!
If Masood pig is caught and secretly dragged to India - India will keep using this as a stick to beat Cheenis and expose them.
I hope one of above is true
