Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 10 Oct 2016 18:03

JeM chief usually keeps a low profile. He's been in Indian captivity and does not relish the thought of ever going back. Maybe the RAW walas did "things" to him ...
Half pig saeed otoh is obl's compatriot. He is Pakistan's Minister for Jihad and terrorism, very official onlee.
Plus he's got a case of verbal diarrhea and likes to grandstand. So he takes it upon himself to publically threaten just about everyone with a terror strike, the first chance he gets.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 10 Oct 2016 18:19

did not JeM fall out with paki army and made an attempt on mushy's life?

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 10 Oct 2016 19:34

Cyril Almeida is a marked man. Let's hope his reporting is backed by facts and that there is a rift between the Sharifs. If Nawaz could use this opportunity to tamp down the military's role in governing the country, this could actually lead to a state of peace, however temporary. Raheel knows he or his successor cannot stage a coup for fear of violating Kerry-Lugar, and knowing fully well the solvency of his country depends on the benevolence of Unkil. Nawaz is happy chilling out in London, scratching his ba!!s and counting his money; and will use every opportunity to push the army to the backfoot - Modi's Raiwind diplomacy has empowered Nawaz (despite his speech-reading in the UN). So if by "U-turn" it means Modi will sue for peace with a Nawaz fully in power, and a defanged Pak army, that is definitely a possibility.

Or the Pak army can show its true colours, stage a coup and end the party. Then it's back to business as usual. Or they could knock off Nawaz, or find something incriminating in Panama... The next month will be interesting to watch.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Oct 2016 20:37

deejay wrote:Christine C Fair had made a presentation at Pune International Center on CPEC. Here is my point by point rebuttal:

https://www.myind.net/critique-prof-c-c ... s-pakistan

All criticism and comments welcome.

Very good article that rebuts Unfair Didi point by point instead of rants like in the comments section.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Oct 2016 21:13

Seems No-awaz got a danda up the $hit creek for the leak.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 783111.cms
Nawaz Sharif orders 'stern action' over news report on 'Pak army-government rift'

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif+ on Monday ordered authorities to take "stern action" against those responsible for publishing a "fabricated" story about the military and ISI+ in a leading daily after army chief called on him to discuss national and regional security issues.

Dawn in a front page article on October 6 reported citing sources that the civilian government has informed the military leadership of a growing international isolation of Pakistan due to alleged support for militancy.

Chief of Army Staff General Raheel Sharif+ on Monday called on Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif at PM House in the presence of Finance Minister Ishaq Dar, Interior Minister Nisar Ali Khan, CM Punjab Shahbaz Sharif and DG ISI Lieutenant General Rizwan Akhtar.

According to an official statement, matters pertaining to national and regional security+ and the publication of news story last week in Dawn newspaper was also discussed during the meeting.

"The participants of the meeting expressed concern over the publication of a fabricated news story in Daily Dawn pertaining to security issues purportedly discussed in a meeting of National Security Committee+ in the last week."

"The participants were unanimous that the published story was clearly violative of universally acknowledged principles of reporting on national security issues and has risked the vital state interests through inclusion of inaccurate and misleading contents which had no relevance to actual discussion and facts."

The participants felt that it was imperative that print and electronic media refrained itself from speculative reporting and issues of national security and interests of the state.

"Prime Minister took serious notice of the violation and directed that those responsible should be identified for stern action," according to the statement.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Oct 2016 21:49

yensoy wrote:Cyril Almeida is a marked man. Let's hope his reporting is backed by facts and that there is a rift between the Sharifs. If Nawaz could use this opportunity to tamp down the military's role in governing the country, this could actually lead to a state of peace, however temporary. Raheel knows he or his successor cannot stage a coup for fear of violating Kerry-Lugar, and knowing fully well the solvency of his country depends on the benevolence of Unkil. Nawaz is happy chilling out in London, scratching his ba!!s and counting his money; and will use every opportunity to push the army to the backfoot - Modi's Raiwind diplomacy has empowered Nawaz (despite his speech-reading in the UN). So if by "U-turn" it means Modi will sue for peace with a Nawaz fully in power, and a defanged Pak army, that is definitely a possibility.

Or the Pak army can show its true colours, stage a coup and end the party. Then it's back to business as usual. Or they could knock off Nawaz, or find something incriminating in Panama... The next month will be interesting to watch.

I would not dream of a defanged Pakistan army any more that the US anti gun lobby can hope that gun owners will suddenly give up guns. Nawaz Sharif will never impose his will on Raheel - even if the latter does not do a coup. The army and civilians are as thick as thieves when it comes to jihad, but the army has the guns and the civilians know where to draw the line. The only "recent development" is that the army, which had implicit obedience and discipline like ood armies anywhere has allowed Islamization to sink so deep that the officers need to fear being shot by their men if they do something unIslamic like taking a soft stand on India.

The "news" about Nawaz ordering the army is pure psy-ops - to make the world think that Pakistan is a rational nation in full control of its destiny

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 10 Oct 2016 22:28

Another Paki - Fraudster Now Wants To Cash - In On The Loot

Northwest D.C. home of former Pakistani prime minister lists for $8 million

One of Washington’s most spacious home listings, with approximately 15,000 square feet, started out as two adjacent homes that were converted into one in the early 2000s by Moeen Qureshi, the former prime minister of Pakistan.

Qureshi also served as the vice president of the World Bank and in leadership roles at the International Monetary Fund for more than a decade. The Mediterranean villa-style estate at 2933-2943 Benton Pl. NW in Massachusetts Avenue Heights, built in 1927, includes a two-story foyer with a chandelier and an S-shaped staircase and marble floors.

Relevant question : Was money siphoned off from Pakiland - during his tenure there - to fund the purchase of this palatial home ?

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 10 Oct 2016 23:02

In short, no: there is no money in Pakistan to siphon off.

GShankar · Post by **GShankar** » 10 Oct 2016 23:10

OR, Pakistan is like thiz onry because all money were siphoned off?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 10 Oct 2016 23:18

Falijee wrote:Was money siphoned off from Pakiland - during his tenure there - to fund the purchase of this palatial home ?

More likely that Querishi moved his family money from pakiland to the US when he was with the IMF. Querishi comes from a wealthy lahori background. He is a technocrat by trade. I am not sure if he managed to rake in more moolah while he was the caretaker PM of that zoo. He was only in power for three months. Although one never knows with these pakis.

DC real estate has tripled in the last 15 years. It was a wise investment when he bought two adjacent properties and combined them into one in the early 2000's.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 11 Oct 2016 01:07

Guys, I read somewhere, or watched a debate I think on (newsX) highlight TSP perfidy, namely, apart form going with their Kashmir begging bowl around the world, they also plan on "reaching out" to anti-Modi, anti-RSS Indian opposition parties. Now given the rabid hatred that Congoons and AAPturds have of RSS and BJP, I think Paki dream is not just a wet dream.

My nightmare scenario which I predicted a while back is TSP RAPE joining hands with Congoons/AAPturnds/JD etc to take on "extremists on both sides" for p!ss in "South Asia". The attempt will be made to put BJP/RSS on the same equivalence as TSP pigLeTs (which Indian opposition will have no problem accepting). Already there are contours of this in the obsession to allow TSP artists in India, the poo-pooing of the surgical strikes by both TSP and Indian opposition.

Furthermore, ISI by being clever than half will promise Indian opposition that if there are "uninterruptible" talks with TSP that include Kashmir, there won't be any pigLeT attacks. End result of course would be to get "joint sovereignty" of the valley. This will be couched as IB == LoC with "soft borders" or some crap like that. This is just the mantra that even Uncle will be pushing for, of course slimily introducing the "global super power of 21st century" catalyst into the equation. Any thoughts on TSP making headway with this gameplan?

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 11 Oct 2016 01:17

^^
I am under the impression that BJP is at the center and the ruling party at the center is the policy maker wrt Bakis. So how will cutting a deal with *opposition* help ISI/Bakis even if that were possible?

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 11 Oct 2016 01:18

Introducing the ~~Karpman~~ Baki Drama Triangle:

The Baki has taken the role of the perpetual victim, and anyone else has only TWO options: Be the rescuer and pay using HiraMandi currency (blothel) or with generous donations (massa) , or be the perp (Yndia, RAAAAAAAA, YYY). There are NO other options available.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 11 Oct 2016 01:19

CRamS... I predict that the British will leave India too

Seriously, you don't realize the extent to which TSP/ISI and the Congoons/AAPtards/Mahagatbandhan/Left politicians of India have their hands in each others' pockets already? After 26/11, Hindu Terrorism, Samjhauta Express, Ishrat Jahan, Sharm-el-Shaikh, Thimphu, "Uninterrupted & Uninterruptible Dialogue?"

This has been going on for YEARS. If NewsX has begun to highlight it, that's a step in the right direction.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 11 Oct 2016 01:26

Only‘50 million people with mental disorders in Pakistan & 150 Million With No MInd

KARACHI: Approximately 50 million people suffer from common mental disorders in Pakistan and unfortunately there are only 400 trained psychiatrists in the country – meaning that there is roughly one psychiatrist available per half-million people.
The illness afflicts 15 to 35 million adults, which is approximately 10 to 20 per cent of the population. Additionally, approximately 20 million children, or over 10 per cent of the population, need attention from mental health practitioners.Dr Mian explained that mental illness refers to a wide range of mental health conditions that affect mood, thinking and behavior.People go through periods when they feel emotions such as stress and grief, but symptoms of mental illnesses last longer than normal and are often not a reaction to daily events. When symptoms become severe enough to interfere with a person’s ability to perform day-to-day chores, they may be considered to have a significant mental illness.She described factors that may lead to depression, anxiety and addictive behaviors, and eating disorders – stressful life situations, use of alcohol or recreational drugs, imbalance of a chemical substance in the brain, and genetic disorder or having a blood relative with a mental illness. Exposure to environmental stressors, inflammatory conditions, toxins, alcohol or drugs while in the womb can sometimes be linked to mental illness.“While not all mental illnesses are preventable, some changes in lifestyle can significantly help. Be an organised person in your routine life, take wise and timely decisions, and take good care of yourself with healthy eating, regular physical activity and sufficient sleep – usually seven to eight hours for adults. Avoid conflicts in personal as well as professional life, try to participate in social activities, and get together with family or friends regularly. Avoid alcohol and drug use,” said Dr Mian.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 11 Oct 2016 01:41

LokeshC wrote:Introducing the ~~Karpman~~ Baki Drama Triangle:

The Baki has taken the role of the perpetual victim, and anyone else has only TWO options: Be the rescuer and pay using HiraMandi currency (blothel) or with generous donations (massa) , or be the perp (Yndia, RAAAAAAAA, YYY). There are NO other options available.

needs some cartoon to go along with it...

something like

"we only give moral and diplomatic support" - a paki general saying while giving guns to jihadi

"we are the frontlyin all-lie" - a paki general saying while getting guns from massa

"pakistan is a victim of terrorism" - badmash begging from massa

with jihadis in the center carrying out attacks

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 11 Oct 2016 02:27

^^That would be awesome

The "perpetual victim" is actually modeled after PeeBuh and his antics in the 7th century. It is an easy card to play and comes with a lot of benefits. For example: One can always find a "justification" for what the victim does like so:

Massa: "Oh, a bunch of Baki kids attacked Mumbai??!!!"
Baki: "Thats because India is yeeevil and it was only a reaction".
Baki: "Its really sad, but you have to understand that there is a reason and the reason is Yeeevil Yindia"
Baki: "Now please to give us 10 billion dollahs and those eff-solahs"
Massa: "But your 'kids' also killed our Marines"
Baki: "You see massa, these kids kill us in much larger numbers, we are the largest, biggest, bestest victims of tellolism"

Literally any offensive, vile, disgusting act of mayhem can pass off as a "legitimate and rightful reaction" from the victim.

But the triangle is not just one triangle, it is a complete fractal. There are layers and layers of them within. The "greener than green" pyramid is an example, each sect develops the perpetual victim narrative and once that is assumed, any act of violence is justified. Logic (and humanity) flies out of the window. In recent times, the jeeehardi perpetual victims have been seeing the TSPA shift from rescuer to persecutor.

Our goal should be to push people in the rescuer spot into the persecutor spot within Bakistan and watch the fireworks. Cheeni blothel, TSPA, Bakjabis against TTP, Sindhi, Pashtooni, Balochi is one of the ripe fruits ready to be plucked.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 11 Oct 2016 02:46

link

ECL
According to reports, Dawn's member of staff Cyril Almeida, who wrote the news report "Act against militants or face international isolation, civilians tell military", has been put on the country's Exit Control List (ECL).

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 11 Oct 2016 04:04

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-pakis ... SKCN1290ZP

Exclusive: Afghan Taliban leader taught, preached in Pakistan, despite government vow to crack down

For 15 years until his sudden disappearance in May, the new leader of the Afghan Taliban insurgency openly taught and preached at the Al Haaj mosque in a dusty town in southwestern Pakistan, associates and students told Reuters.

A spokesman for the U.S. State Department's South Asia bureau said it was not "not in a position to confirm Haibatullah Akhundzada's whereabouts, past or present."

"Once he became Emir, he left with his whole family," said Hafiz Abdul Majeed, who runs the Al Haaj mosque, adding that he himself studied for several years under Akhundzada.
"You can't teach religion and run (the Taliban's) government at the same time. And it would of course have been dangerous for us and the students and the mosque if he remained here."

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 11 Oct 2016 06:06

shiv wrote:The "news" about Nawaz ordering the army is pure psy-ops - to make the world think that Pakistan is a rational nation in full control of its destiny

Yes it's beginning to look like that. Cyril is on the Exit Control List - I think he has been set up to be discredited. Dawn is standing by him, but one wonders for how long. Poor guy, he is a decent journalist, one of the few left in pigiland.

Nawaz is probably making more money in collusion with the army rather than against it, although Cyril feels that the army is getting the way of Nawaz enterprises. The Putin detente "you don't mess with me and I won't mess with you" may well be the New Normal in pakiland. Army firmly in control under a civilian facade is the reality - Egypt, Turkey (before and after Erdogan), Thailand, Myanmar come to mind. The only circumstances which will upset this co-dependency is (i) either civvy or military leader gets too big for their shoes or (ii) Jihad uprising from the ranks.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Oct 2016 06:35

One more tight Surgical Strike tight slap and jihadis will rush to Pindi.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Oct 2016 07:20

Our (Indian) views about Cyril Almeida are a liittle bit like sickular libtard views of Rohit Vemula. A victim is created by semi-fiction so we can all feel sorry for the victim and curse the persecutor - in this case the Pakstani army.

But let me state some views here and make a prediction. the Paki army is way more sophisticated in psy-ops that we give them credit. Compared with them we are blundering nincompoop-retards. When the Paki army wants to warn a journalist they do what they did to Salim Shezad or Najam Sethi. Please use Google if you don't know.

Putting Cyril Almeida on the exit control list looks very reasonable to Americans. "Now here is a reasonable, law abiding country. They have things like "exit control lists". There will be due process of law after which we can expect justice to prevail." After some time the Paki army will look very good by taking him off the list. Almeida himself belongs to the elite. I bet what remains of my left testimonial that he has close relatives in the Paki army.

No point getting fooled by Pakistan

jash_p · Post by **jash_p** » 11 Oct 2016 07:28

According to reports, Dawn's member of staff Cyril Almeida, who wrote the news report "Act against militants or face international isolation, civilians tell military", has been put on the country's Exit Control List.

Is he the same guy or his father who left Goa and preferred for Pakiland during partition ?

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 11 Oct 2016 08:10

yensoy wrote:Yes it's beginning to look like that. Cyril is on the Exit Control List - I think he has been set up to be discredited. Dawn is standing by him, but one wonders for how long. Poor guy, he is a decent journalist, one of the few left in pigiland.

Do hold on to that thought.

[url=httpsAoA72://www.dawn.com/news/1285901/the-india-problem]The India problem[/url]

CYRIL ALMEIDA — PUBLISHED SEP 25, 2016.
TRY this one for a conspiracy theory. Two months ago, on July 8 to be precise, the Indians did something stupid in the Valley: they killed Burhan Wani.

Stupid not because Pakistan says so, but because many Indians themselves did: killing a charismatic 22-year-old who had stirred up Kashmiris was a recipe for unrest.

And unrest is what India got. An own goal had been scored.

What happened next was also fairly predictable: India went into repression mode. Compounding the original error, it used disproportionate violence against civilians and made a mess of things there.

Curfew was imposed. The state of India was sucked back into a familiar cycle of repression and violence in held Kashmir. The people wouldn’t back down; the state wouldn’t relent.
....
The state of India had an advantage that the people of Kashmir didn’t: much of India didn’t care about the violence and the outside world sure as heck didn’t — contrary to what we were being told here in Pakistan.
The big bad world gave two hoots to Cashmere despite Baki attempts..

India was getting away with murder, literally, and India wasn’t being forced to pay. Violence in response to violence is the non-states raison d’être.

What the hell kind of jihadi outfit are you if you don’t act when India is on the rampage against Kashmiris?

And violence by the Indian state is also a recruiting tool, especially if you can amp up the outrage here in Pakistan at Indian atrocities against Kashmiris.

Plus, the world’s attention needed to be focused and there’s only one way for the world’s attention to focus on Pakistan and India: the threat of war.

Put all of that together and you have the makings of a spectacular attack.

Like, y’know, Uri.
...
The Uri attackers were either Pakistani or they were not.

India has the bodies and those bodies are tied to families, handlers and networks that exist either here or over there. Identification is not only possible it is inevitable.

And you can bet the Indian and Pakistani intelligence apparatuses — and probably of a handful of other countries — already know the attackers’ identities.

Attacks and their aftermath usually unleash a torrent of intelligence that is impossible to miss.

Handlers have to coordinate. The families have to mourn their dead. The networks have to eulogise the act. Fellow jihadis have to dissect the operation and marvel at their brethren’s bravery and success.

If Uri was not done by Pakistanis, then India has managed an even more spectacular own goal. It would mean a new generation of armed and trained insurgents to contend with.

And it would mean that India’s raging against Pakistan has drawn the world’s attention, however briefly, towards what India is doing to Kashmiris.
Tie in with Khwaja whatshisname rant on false flag

But if Uri was done by Pakistani non-states…

In truth, it would be more depressing than frightening. Not frightening in a peculiar Pak-India sense because already we’ve shown that we can get away with it.

Because what, really, can India do about it? A rageful India can threaten war, but that only brings the outside world rushing in to counsel peace.

Plus, in a hard-nosed way, would India go to war with Pakistan — a Pakistan with an explicitly lowered nuclear threshold — over a handful of dead soldiers and citizens?

As India rises, a two-and-a-half-trillion dollar economy paired with global ambitions, its pain threshold will also rise — what is worth losing all of that over will become progressively higher in the next decade or so.
India has more to lose only, we wake up each day with a kaffan tied on our heads

And if India does decide to double-down on stirring up mischief inside Pakistan, nothing like it. Few things would enthuse the boys here more than hunting down some India-lovers doing harm to the homeland.

The counterterrorism infrastructure is anyway in full-blown expansion mode because of the fight against the anti-Pak militants. And an endless war would extend the boys’ internal predominance.
So if there's a coup or like in Bakistan, it's India's fault
....
A Kashmir dispute that we refuse to be pragmatic about and which India gives us a reason to not be pragmatic about.
So its India's fault that Bakis are neurotic over Cashmere
....
So, yeah, God bless the Kashmiris. Fire and brimstone on the Indians. But feel sorrow for Pakistan and Pakistanis — you and me, the regular folk.

Baki to the core. This farticle came out on September 25, 6 days post Uri, when "surgical strikes" were yet to happen and to many including us on BRF, would remain the stuff of Vivek Ahuja's, Shankar's and Jamwal's scenarios. GoI seemed firmly set in going the dosa diplomacy route. Bakis and their local chapters were smirking and taunting the GoI and armed forces, while shedding crocodile tears for the martyrs. Eggspurts were all over TV and internet preening over how our armed forces were ill equipped and unprepared to retaliate and how talks were the only way forward..yada yada.

28/9 changed all that. All of sudden, the eggspurts and Almeidas of the world were the ones with egg on their face and elsewhere. Baki army's "explicitly lowered nuclear threshold" dissipated in the wind like the Pindi chana output.

Then Almeida comes with the report on how civvies have dared question the fauj on the non-state actors. Of course, Ganja denies, TSPA fumes and Almeida is put on an ECL. Too convenient isn't it?

Almeida was among those whose bubble was thoroughly punctured by 28/9 and the reaction afterwards is akin to a headless chicken like all his countrymen.

There are NO rational elements in TSP, especially when it comes to India. If there are any "rational" ones, they have already prepared for their Canadian vijja and if unable to do so, are puckered up tighter than earthworm posterior.

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 11 Oct 2016 09:16

Oh come on, remember he is in Pakiland and he needs to live. This is exactly what he will say - his article echoes the words of Owen Jones http://www.dawn.com/news/1288199/blip-on-the-radar which was a more recent article than Cyril's - World doesn't care about Kashmir. If you think any sane journalist living and working in Pakistan will say that they have no claim to Kashmir, then it is delusional.

The article you quote (Kashi) is critical - but the target of said criticism is not India, it is the Army. Please read this part carefully, this is where the article concludes - all the India baiting in the beginning was just to set things up for this point to be made:

But depressing because of the circularity of it all. A security state with an insecure worldview. An India obsession that is fed by India’s own antics.

A Kashmir dispute that we refuse to be pragmatic about and which India gives us a reason to not be pragmatic about.

A democratic transition too weak for the civilians to influence foreign policy or national security, but weak enough to not invite a military takeover that could place a peace-making general at the helm.

We have to live with what we got, and Cyril is one of the few sane people left. Paracha is a good satirist but "two-nation" to the core. Then there is Dr Hoodbhoy and a few others like him. Please don't shoot the remaining.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 11 Oct 2016 09:30

http://www.dawn.com/news/1289393/move-t ... from-india
( Paki want her in Burka?)

Move to bring ‘Dancing Girl’ back from India

LAHORE: A writ petition filed in the Lahore High Court on Monday has requested that directions be issued to the federal government to bring back from India the ‘Dancing Girl’ bronze statue excavated from Moenjodaro in 1926.Barrister Javed Iqbal Jaffrey, the petitioner, has asked the LHC to take suo motu notice in this regard. He claims that the statue is the property of the Lahore Museum. It was taken to India around 60 years ago at the request of the National Arts Council, Delhi, and was never brought back.Mr Jaffrey says the statue has the same historic importance as Leonardo da Vinci’s Mona Lisa in Europe. He calls it a marker of Pakistan’s cultural heritage which needs to be protected.The statue is 10.5 centimetres tall and nearly 5,000 years old. Some of the most famous archaeologists in the world have described it as one of the most captivating pieces of art from the Indus site.In a recent statement, Jamal Shah, director general of the Pakistan National Museum of Arts, hinted that the government was considering writing to the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation to bring the statue back. “This is important if we want to protect our heritage.”

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 11 Oct 2016 09:37

shiv wrote: But let me state some views here and make a prediction. the Paki army is way more sophisticated in psy-ops that we give them credit. Compared with them we are blundering nincompoop-retards.

No point getting fooled by Pakistan

So the Paki deep state is using Cyril to spread a rumour of Nawaz company speaking up against Army, then denying rumour, discrediting journalist, putting him on ECL (and as you say maybe taking him off ECL later)... all for what? Just to show that they are reasonable?

Instead the whole drama could have been avoided, no?

Our side of Psy-ops was textbook awesome this time around. Headline withdrawing from IWT, talk about IAF exercises, hand-wring our lack of ground intelligence, worry about nuclear threshold, float article of surgical non-strike, then get in there on all fours and take out a bunch of jihadis & regulars.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Oct 2016 09:44

yensoy wrote: So the Paki deep state is using Cyril to spread a rumour of Nawaz company speaking up against Army, then denying rumour, discrediting journalist, putting him on ECL (and as you say maybe taking him off ECL later)... all for what? Just to show that they are reasonable?

No. That is called a conspiracy theory.

Almeida has written that article "boldly" but his boldness is angrezi boldness because mango Abdul will never read it. The Pakistan army allows such "liberal voices" in English because it looks good in Amreeka (and to the west in general). If the same thing had been written in Urdu, you, me and the Amreekis would not know, but the mango Paki would see it. The army deals with such writers by breaking their ribs

But in cases like Almeida the charade is this "Exit Control List" etc. Yes he is "punished" a bit for stepping out of line and he will be on the ISI watch list. But his ribs won't be broken. He won't get a black eye and his permission to travel will be restored sometime down the line

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 11 Oct 2016 09:58

shiv wrote: Almeida has written that article "boldly" but his boldness is angrezi boldness because mango Abdul will never read it. The Pakistan army allows such "liberal voices" in English because it looks good in Amreeka (and to the west in general).

That point I agree with; English literacy in Pakiland is very low and Dawn readership is tiny of miniscule, with little in the way of opinion making. If the point of the exercise is to try to act Westernized (a-la Turkey - hey look how "Western" we are!) then that is a possibility, but I am not discounting Cyril's intentions here. Also at this point I'm not sure if there are many non Pakjabis in the Pak armed forces, so his fraternal links may be rather weak. Most minorities have fled already, or are too old to flee.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 11 Oct 2016 09:58

yensoy wrote:Oh come on, remember he is in Pakiland and he needs to live. This is exactly what he will say - his article echoes the words of Owen Jones http://www.dawn.com/news/1288199/blip-on-the-radar which was a more recent article than Cyril's - World doesn't care about Kashmir. If you think any sane journalist living and working in Pakistan will say that they have no claim to Kashmir, then it is delusional.

That's precisely the argument being made for Baki artists in India and their lack of response to Uri- they have families in Shitistan and they need to be protected..yada yada..

Almeida is not just crying about World not listening to Shitistan or jihadi stone pelters, he actually says and I quote

India was getting away with murder, literally, and India wasn’t being forced to pay.

The glowing tribute to the "charismatic Burhan Wani".

How is this different from the rants of Paagal Sehgal, Wifebeater Chakram and Chooha ISI Qureshi?

And OWB, a former backchodi corp. correspondent in Isloo is hardly an objective comparison- Pakiness infection is not hidden.

yensoy wrote:The article you quote (Kashi) is critical - but the target of said criticism is not India, it is the Army. Please read this part carefully, this is where the article concludes - all the India baiting in the beginning was just to set things up for this point to be made:

The article is titled- "The India problem", It's India baiting from top to bottom, along with the usual rants about the "lowered nuclear threshold". It's noteworthy that he does not indicate whose "lowered nuclear threshold", he could have simply added his pet phrase boys before that but he didn't. Like all Pakis he was of the view that Uri strikes had dealt a body blow to India and Modi's ghairat and the gloating and smugness is palpable.

yensoy wrote:We have to live with what we got, and Cyril is one of the few sane people left. Paracha is a good satirist but "two-nation" to the core. Then there is Dr Hoodbhoy and a few others like him. Please don't shoot the remaining.

We have to live with hoot. I reiterate, when it comes to India, even the so-called sane Pakis cannot mask their inner Pakistaniyat enough, including Dr. Hoodbhoy, who has been happy to take potshots at "rising Hindu intolerance" every now and then.

How does it matter to me or to other Indians if Almeida is so-called sane? His writings have zero impact, they reach a very limited number of people, the very RAPE who are as anti-India as they come. As hakeemji has pointed out innumerable times, we Indians have the habit of beging taken in by their suave, glib manners even when their mask slips off now and then and it's been slipping with an increasing frequency of late. Almeida is an inconsequential Paki with little leverage and little willingness to see or address what's truly wrong with Shitistan.

arun · Post by **arun** » 11 Oct 2016 10:07

Kashi wrote:[url=httpsAoA72://www.dawn.com/news/1285901/the-india-problem]The India problem[/url]

CYRIL ALMEIDA — PUBLISHED SEP 25, 2016. …………………

Plus, in a hard-nosed way, would India go to war with Pakistan — a Pakistan with an explicitly lowered nuclear threshold — over a handful of dead soldiers and citizens?

As India rises, a two-and-a-half-trillion dollar economy paired with global ambitions, its pain threshold will also rise — what is worth losing all of that over will become progressively higher in the next decade or so.

Yet another delusion derived from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Mohammaddenism inspired delusion that Hindu Kaafirs are Mercantile Bania’s unlike the pure and pious from the Islamic Republic who are descendants of martial Arab and Central Asian warrior horseman

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Going by the case of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s vociferous denial that India, Post-Uri, has conducted a cross LoC boots on the ground “Surgical Strike” into Pakistan Occupied Kashmir, I will not at all be surprised when an Indian Strike Corps rolls onto Pakistan controlled territory, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan will deny that is the case

and refuse to even contemplate dropping a Tactical Nuclear Weapon (TNW) despite the frequent vociferous threats to do so. Thus all talk of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan having an “explicitly lowered nuclear threshold”, will remain just that, talk.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Oct 2016 10:14

yensoy wrote:
shiv wrote: Almeida has written that article "boldly" but his boldness is angrezi boldness because mango Abdul will never read it. The Pakistan army allows such "liberal voices" in English because it looks good in Amreeka (and to the west in general).
That point I agree with; English literacy in Pakiland is very low and Dawn readership is tiny of miniscule, with little in the way of opinion making. If the point of the exercise is to try to act Westernized (a-la Turkey - hey look how "Western" we are!) then that is a possibility, but I am not discounting Cyril's intentions here. Also at this point I'm not sure if there are many non Pakjabis in the Pak armed forces, so his fraternal links may be rather weak. Most minorities have fled already, or are too old to flee.

The assumption here is that there has been no intermarriage between Almeida's christian relatives and Pakjabis. Scratch the surface and one will likely find that Almeida's "free voice" and ability to survive is somewhat linked to his connections

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 11 Oct 2016 11:55

Kashi wrote: We have to live with hoot. I reiterate, when it comes to India,...As hakeemji has pointed out innumerable times, we Indians have the habit of beging taken in by their suave, glib manners even when their mask slips off now and then and it's been slipping with an increasing frequency of late. Almeida is an inconsequential Paki with little leverage and little willingness to see or address what's truly wrong with Shitistan.

Glib has to be fought with glib, otherwise we will look like a bunch of rabid sadhus. We need to play the game, not rant that the game is biased against us. Otherwise whats the difference between a seemingly well educated and analytical rakshak and one of the beards shouting from a minaret? We need to put on our best faces and every now and then drop a message that the two nation theory is doomed, their QaM was a village idiot who couldn't figure out the consequences of a morally bankrupt ideology, what form it would take and where it would lead to, their nasty situation is their own making etc, and stay the hell out of our way. That means engaging with folks like Cyril.

shiv wrote:
yensoy wrote: The assumption here is that there has been no intermarriage between Almeida's christian relatives and Pakjabis. Scratch the surface and one will likely find that Almeida's "free voice" and ability to survive is somewhat linked to his connections

Yes that's possible, maybe the Alqeida branch of the large Goan family...

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 11 Oct 2016 13:12

Paki democracy,freedom of speech and human rights on full display! "Shoot the messenger" is the military's mantra.

Leading Pakistani journalist banned from leaving country
Curbs placed on Cyril Almeida days after he reported on showdown between PM and spy chief over jihadi groups in Pakistan
Rizwan Akhtar
Rizwan Akhtar, the head of the Inter-Services Intelligence directorate, which India and the US accuse of clandestinely supporting jihadi groups.
Jon Boone in Islamabad
Monday 10 October 2016
One of Pakistan’s most respected journalists has been barred from leaving the country after reporting on government concerns that the military’s support for jihadi groups was leaving the country internationally isolated.

Cyril Almeida, a prominent columnist and reporter for the leading Dawn newspaper, said he had been told he had been put on the “exit control list” days after penning a front-page story about a dramatic confrontation between Pakistan’s civilian and army leadership over militant groups that operate from Pakistan but engage in war against India and Afghanistan.

The story about the “unprecedented” showdown between the prime minister, Nawaz Sharif, and the army’s spy chief triggered a storm of controversy when it was published in the English language paper on Thursday.

Almeida was booked on a Tuesday morning flight to Dubai for a long-planned holiday with members of his family but received word on Monday evening that he would not be allowed to board the plane.
cyril almeida @cyalm
I am told and have been informed and have been shown evidence that I am on the Exit Control List.
12:47 AM - 11 Oct 2016

“I am on the list – I have seen it and I have been told not to go to the airport,” he said.

His news story had quoted unnamed senior officials who said they witnessed a remarkable showdown between Sharif and Rizwan Akhtar, the director general of the Inter-Services Intelligence directorate (ISI), on 3 October.

According to Dawn, Akhtar was told Pakistan could only avoid international isolation if it took action against Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM), Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and the Haqqani network.

JeM and LeT are jihadi groups dedicated to fighting against India, especially in the contested region of Kashmir, while the Haqqani network is a Taliban affiliate responsible for some of the deadliest attacks against local and Nato forces in Afghanistan.

India and the US have consistently alleged that all three groups receive clandestine ISI support, a claim Pakistan denies.

Dawn’s allegations were all the more incendiary because of their timing just weeks after a deadly militant attack on an Indian military base in the disputed territory of Kashmir that Delhi has blamed on Pakistan-based jihadis.

The government has repeatedly denied the story and announced on Monday that the matter had been discussed in a meeting with Sharif, Akhtar and the army chief, Gen Raheel Sharif.

In a statement Sharif’s office vowed “stern action” for those responsible for a news story that “risked the vital state interests through inclusion of inaccurate and misleading contents which had no relevance to actual discussion and facts”.

On Monday night Dawn’s editor, Zaffar Abbas, issued a statement on an official Facebook page standing by a story which he said had been “verified, cross-checked and fact-checked”.

“The elected government and state institutions should refrain from targeting the messenger, and scapegoating the country’s most respected newspaper in a malicious campaign,” the statement said.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 11 Oct 2016 15:29

India's decision to seal Pakistan border irrational: Chinese experts

BEIJING: India's move to completely seal its border with Pakistan was a " very irrational decision" and would further complicate India-China relations considering Beijing's "all-weather" strategic ties with Islamabad, a state media report on Tuesday quoted leading experts as saying.

"India is making a very irrational decision, since no exhaustive investigation has been conducted after the Uri incident+ , and no evidence proves Pakistan is behind the attack," the Global Times quoted Hu Zhiyong, a research fellow from the official think-tank Institute of International Relations of the Shanghai Academy, as saying.

Hu was commenting on Home Minister Rajnath Singh's announcement on Friday that the 3,323-km-long border between India and Pakistan would be "completely sealed" by December 2018.

A "completely sealed" border would further hinder the already scarce border trade and talks between the two countries, Hu said. India-Cwapistani Tlade is Minimal. Cawpistan has had MFN Status flom India fol Twenty Yeals but lefuses to leciplocate and give MFN Status to India!

Wang Dehua, director of the Institute for Southern and Central Asian Studies at the Shanghai Municipal Centre for International Studies, said that a sealed border would only disrupt peace efforts made by the two sides.

"The country's decision reflects its Cold War mentality, and would only cause deeper hatred among residents living in Indian- and Pakistan-controlled Kashmir," Hu added.

Since Pakistan is China's "all-weather" strategic partner, India's decision would make China-Pakistan-India relations more complicated, Hu said.

But he said a peaceful resolution of the Kashmir issue is in the interest of China's homeland security, especially its western regions. He wants Seculity fol East Tulkistan Lepublic but not fol India pelpetlated by the Cwapistani Tellolists!

Their hard-line comments come ahead of Chinese President Xi Jinping's visit to India this week to take part in the BRICS Summit in Goa during which he would meet Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

This will be their second meeting in two months. The two met on the sidelines of the G20 Summit in Hangzhou last month.
Yesterday, China's Vice Foreign Minister Li Baodong defended China's "technical hold" in the UN on a ban on Masood Azhar, the head of Pakistan-based terrorist group Jaish-e-Muhammad.

"China is opposed to all forms of terrorism. There should be no double standards on counter terrorism. Nor should one pursue own political gains in the name of counter terrorism," he had said indirectly accusing India.

"Hu" has been eating too-much Cwapistani Lice mit Mice Schid mixed? It is "Hu"!
Cheers

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 11 Oct 2016 15:37

Pampore attack: Gunbattle with terrorists enters second day

SRINAGAR: The operation to flush-out terrorists holed up inside a government building in Pampore+ area on the Srinagar-Jammu national highway entered the second day on Tuesday, even as security forces launched a fresh offensive against the ultras.

Cheers

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 11 Oct 2016 16:00

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/156388 ... n-strategy
Pakistani vulnerability and Indian strategy
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Patriotic, serious Americans are worried about what it means for a foreign power to be able to insert itself into its domestic politics with as much ease as Vladimir Putin has inserted himself smack into the middle of a US presidential election. Russia has had thousands of nuclear warheads for decades, but rarely has it caused as much front-page consternation in the US as it has during this election cycle. The reason could not be simpler. In the information age, real power isn’t necessarily what lies latent in the loins of a country’s weapons. Real power also lies in the ability to shape the others’ imagination. Russia has inserted itself into the US election conversation. Whether it is actually capable of manipulating anything meaningful is moot. By getting people to talk about it, it has already won an important victory. It has demonstrated its ability to shape the imagination of a substantial number of important Americans at this critical juncture.

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Let us instead, step back and examine the larger vista. Standing where we are today – discussing Pakistan’s civil military disequilibrium, and the role of non-state actors like the HQN, LeT and JeM in weakening Pakistan’s standing in the world, let us ask three questions of ourselves, here in Pakistan.

One, does it matter whether India actually conducted the so-called surgical strikes over the LoC and into Pakistani territory?

Two, does it matter how many foreign trips Pakistani influentials make to talk about Kashmir, when the hosts that afford them their time are busy counting the cash from current and future deals to sell goods and services to India’s burgeoning, consumption-happy, pro-Hindutva middle class?

Three, if we take India’s ill-intentions for Pakistan as a given, does India benefit more from a course-correction in Pakistan, or more from Pakistan continuing to do the same things over, and over, and over again?

The answers to these questions will not leave you feeling very good. If you came looking for optimism, I am afraid the next little bit is not for you.

First, we must accept now that that Pakistan is an exceptionally vulnerable country because our national conversation can be managed with great dexterity by decisions made not here in Islamabad, or Rawalpindi, but in New Delhi. This is what is at the heart of India’s surgical strikes mantra. It doesn’t matter even a little bit, whether the said strikes were actually conducted or not. India has used the claim of those strikes to establish and sustain a narrative about itself, about Pakistan, and about the place of each in global affairs.

This narrative describes India as the patient and responsible power, Pakistan as the provocateur, and the international community needing to thank India, and chide Pakistan. This play will receive little genuine and sincere credibility in some places, but it is also already an established truth in others. Can every BPS 20 civil servant in the Foreign Office tell the difference? Can any? Does PM Sharif know why BPS 20 at the FO is a critical stage in a diplomatic career? Don’t seek answers to those questions. You will be left feeling worse.

Second, morality may well be on Pakistan’s side, and God on the side of the Kashmiris, but both Pakistan and Kashmir have been left high and dry by a Pakistani policy elite, whose incompetence and laziness is both disgusting and predictable. MNAs and senators have travelled long distances to be sat in front of audiences already most amendable to Pakistan’s message on Kashmir. Some ambassadors have been stupid enough to publicly promote images of themselves and visiting Kashmir emissaries discussing Kashmir with the Pakistani disaspora. It would be funny if this were another country, and what was at stake was not the lives of innocent Kashmiris.

The country is Pakistan, and real lives are at stake in Kashmir. But no one other than Pakistan cares. A more capable, and self-respecting country would be more successful in advocating this cause. But capable and self-respecting countries do not have leadership narratives in both the civilian and military spaces that are focused exclusively on individuals, their tenures, and their family members. Alas, two down.

Finally, we must all celebrate the presence of doves on both sides of the border, none so courageous and adorable as Karan Johar or Om Puri – but when the most serious advocates of rational engagement between two nuclear powers are film actors and directors, then Houston: you have a problem. The brutal truth is that the lunatics have taken over the asylum in India, and a non-aligned, Gandhian state is now captive to two strains of modern Indian identity that realists must call out for what they are.

The first is hardcore Hindu supremacism, the second, an emboldened and more brazen strategic swagger. In short, this is not just Ram Madhav’s India, or K Subrahmanyam’s India. It is a much more sophisticated hybrid. It fancies itself as being able to beat Pakistan seven ways from Sunday. One of the most important ways it will seek to beat Pakistan is by letting Pakistan continue being Pakistan, or as I framed it last week, by helping Pakistan keep on doing what it has been doing, over and over and over again.

Look carefully at the Pakistani landscape and the conclusion is inescapable: we seem ecstatic at the opportunity to keep on keeping on. With friends like ourselves, who needs India?
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Earlier in India, when considering retaliation GOI would ask itself how Bakis would react. The cross-loc raid has forced Bakis to ask themselves how India would react.

One raid has managed to flip the equation/position. The recent cheeni fart could also be viewed in this context.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 11 Oct 2016 16:24

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 794074.cms
Bad behaviour now carries higher risks, Pakistan told
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NEW DELHI: The strategic community is largely agreed that the Indian Army's surgical strikes across the Line of Control by breaching a self imposed restraint not to violate the LoC are intended to raise the “costs“ for Pakistan for promoting cross-border terrorism.

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Seen in the context of the strategic theory of 'compellence', the Indian action altered the risks for Pakistan. Military reprisals are a new, unpredictable variable as Pakistan is forced to “share“ the risk of conflict and mutual damage rather than India bearing all the pain of a rogue state's aggression.

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It is not that use of force does not hold risks for India.But the message is that Pakistani regimes may not be as lightly punished as has been the case. So, if surgical strikes carry the danger of military escalation, this does not apply to India alone. Pakistan's elites would need to calculate the economic and political costs too.

Redistribution of risks is at the heart of `compellence' where the initiator must be ready to bear the consequences of his action to make the threat credible. “To compel an enemy's retreat, though, I have to be ready to move,“ says American economist Thomas Schelling (Nobel winner for game theory) who first coined the term.

Though the Pakistan military's assumptions sometimes seem delusional, use of tactical weapons as a response to the cross-LoC raids were highly unlikely. But by lowering the threshold to theatre level, Pakistan intended to deter any direct action. This why its nuclear threshold was tested -and breached.

The conventional interpretation of deterrence is that it helps maintain status quo. But Pakistan's unique view of deterrence means its nuclear weapons can thwart India's military capacities, allowing it to wage a low-cost war. Compellence, which is all about changing an opponent's demeanour, challenges this inference.

Both deterrence and compellence are coercive but the latter is more urgent and action oriented. It has its limits and should be one of several measures. Surgical strikes cannot be resorted to for every terror attack. But its creative application can sow serious doubt in the mind of an adversary.

salaam · Post by **salaam** » 11 Oct 2016 16:47

Peregrine wrote:India's decision to seal Pakistan border irrational: Chinese experts

BEIJING: India's move to completely seal its border with Pakistan was a " very irrational decision" and would further complicate India-China relations considering Beijing's "all-weather" strategic ties with Islamabad, a state media report on Tuesday quoted leading experts as saying.

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Funny coming from a country with the Great Wall.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 11 Oct 2016 18:04

Screw Being Tightened On Cyril Almeida

Leading Pakistani journalist banned from leaving country

One of Pakistan’s most respected journalists has been barred from leaving the country after reporting on government concerns that the military’s support for jihadi groups was leaving the country internationally isolated.Cyril Almeida, a prominent columnist and reporter for the leading Dawn newspaper, said he had been told he had been put on the “exit control list” days after penning a front-page story about a dramatic confrontation between Pakistan’s civilian and army leadership over militant groups that operate from Pakistan but engage in war against India and Afghanistan.

The story about the “unprecedented” showdown between the prime minister, Nawaz Sharif, and the army’s spy chief triggered a storm of controversy when it was published in the English language paper on Thursday.Almeida was booked on a Tuesday morning flight to Dubai for a long-planned holiday with members of his family but received word on Monday evening that he would not be allowed to board the plane.

“I am on the list – I have seen it and I have been told not to go to the airport,” he said.His news story had quoted unnamed senior officials who said they witnessed a remarkable showdown between Sharif and Rizwan Akhtar, the director general of the Inter-Services Intelligence directorate (ISI), on 3 October.

So the journalist's only only fault was reporting the confrontation that indeed happened !

According to Dawn, Akhtar was told Pakistan could only avoid international isolation if it took action against Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM), Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and the Haqqani network.

The government has repeatedly denied the story and announced on Monday that the matter had been discussed in a meeting with Sharif, Akhtar and the army chief, Gen Raheel Sharif.In a statement Sharif’s office vowed “stern action” for those responsible for a news story that “risked the vital state interests through inclusion of inaccurate and misleading contents which had no relevance to actual discussion and facts”.On Monday night Dawn’s editor, Zaffar Abbas, issued a statement on an official Facebook page standing by a story which he said had been “verified, cross-checked and fact-checked”.

Now this newspaper will be "treated" like GEO NEWS GROUP !