Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III

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UlanBatori wrote:There is a huge difference between "defending" conduct that includes sexual assault, and pointing out that the alleged conduct (a) WAS widespread in the days when it was alleged to have occurred,
(a). Stop.

There is no need to say such conduct was widespread, if such conduct is just alleged and not true. Right?

You see, just saying - "these are all just allegations" is fine but in this case even that is not that fine as Trump himself admits to the acts, just that there is no tape to prosecute him, yet.

You see, saying that these conducts were widespread IS called defending.
(b) is still widespread - I mean the trash talk and declared intentions, MAYBE not the actual physical acts and
which adds nothing but noise to the issue at hand
(c) is being dug up by 400% hypocritical oiseules for purely political malicious purposes.
which is wrong because?
Finally, I don't really care what oiseules think either, and that's what makes me empathize with the T-Rumpanzee. He dares to go where the hypocrites dare not. A pretty awesome quality for a world leader.
meh, its YOUR reputation that is on the line. What do I care. Go Trump. :P
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Meanwhile the eevil rooskies are at it again: Podesty's "Modesty Outraged"
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More on the lawsuit threat issued by the Trump campaign last night -
Dear Mr. Kasowitz:
I write in response to your letter of October 12, 2016 to Dean Baquet concerning your client Donald Trump, the Republican nominee for President of the United States. You write concerning our article “Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately” and label the article as “libel per se.” You ask that we “remove it from [our] website, and issue a full and immediate retraction and apology.” We decline to do so.
The essence of a libel claim, of course, is the protection of one’s reputation. Mr. Trump has bragged about this non-consensual sexual touching of women. He has bragged about intruding on beauty pageant contestants in their dressing rooms. He acquiesced to a radio host’s request to discuss Mr. Trump’s own daughter as a “piece of ass.” Multiple women not mentioned in our article have publicly come forward to report on Mr. Trump’s unwanted advances. Nothing in our article has had the slights effect on the reputation that Mr. Trump, through his own words and actions, has already created for himself.
But there is a larger and much more important point here. The women quoted in our story spoke out on an issue of national importance – indeed, as an issue that Mr. Trump himself discussed with the whole nation watching during Sunday night’s presidential debate. Our reporters diligently worked to confirm the women’s accounts. They provided readers with Mr. Trump’s response, including his forceful denial of the women’s reports. It would have been a disservice not just to our readers but to democracy itself to silence their voices. We did what the law allows: We published newsworthy information about a subject of deep public concern. If Mr. Trump disagrees, if he believes that American citizens had no right to hear what these women had to say and that the law of this country forces us and those who would dare to criticize him to stand silent or be punished, we welcome the opportunity to have a court set him straight.
Sincerely,
David E. McCraw


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As far as "Understanding the United States" is concerned:

My takeaway from all this is that a new era of repression (the tightest since Bush's post-9/11 Patriot Act days, perhaps worse) is at hand. For freedom of expression in the US, both in the real world and (perhaps especially) on the internet.

You see, the relentless underlying drum-beat of the Hillary campaign, and its MSM accessories, has been that (1) the "alt-right" has taken advantage of internet anonimity to spread thoughts and ideas that are "un-American", "hateful", "deplorable" and so on (2) that there is a sinister Russian plot that has given real-life political voice to this hateful "alt-right" by contriving to force Trump on the unsuspecting US electorate as a candidate.

"Foreign Hand". "Red Scare" (with the "Red" now symbolic of Red-State because Russia is no longer Soviet). It's pure McCarthyism.

The MSM has been all-aboard with this scaremongering because over the last decade they've been steadily losing ground, and credibility, to independent news and commentary outlets in the blogosphere and across social media. It's the same MSM-vs-SM dynamic that we saw in the months leading up to Modi's victory in May 2014, and which continues in full spate in the Indian context. "Idea of [India, America] is threatened." "There are limits to free speech". "These are trolls who hide behind anonimity". And behind it all, the sinister puppet-master of a resurrected Evil Empire: Putin, with his dark minions Manning and Assange.

What Hillary is doing is at least as indecent, and in its implications far more sinister, than any scapegoating Trump may have done of Mexicans (or, ATM-be-praised, Muslims).
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By the way, in case you were thinking that the above-referenced threat to freedom of expression on the internet and social media is some kind of abstract, academic notion:

http://thewire.in/72673/leaked-emails-s ... ntroversy/

Leaked Emails Show That ClintonElection Adviser Kept Tabs On Ford Foundation’s India Controversy
New Delhi: John Podesta, Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman for the 2016 US presidential elections, closely monitored and may have intervened in the controversy surrounding the Ford Foundation and other foreign charitable foundations last year, according to to a set of leaked emails released by Wikileaks on Tuesday.

In the first half of 2015, Ford Foundation president Darren Walker sent a number of emails to Podesta, most of which were updates on events taking place in India after the Modi government tightened the rules governing foreign charitable foundations and NGOs. During this time, the Ford Foundation was put on a government watch list over funding it gave to activist Teesta Setalvad in 2009.

One e-mail, for instance, appears to be a deep-dive monitoring of how the Indian media reported the government’s probes into foreign funding, and specifically how various newspapers and editorials viewed the Ford Foundation’s troubles.

The report categorises media reports on the stance they’ve taken with regard to the Modi government’s crackdown. Under a section titled ‘Modi government’ for instance, the e-mail from Walker reads “a number of articles and op-eds [below] mention Ford Foundation or Teesta Setalvad in reference to the Indian government’s actions against NGOs during Modi’s first year in office”.

Apart from mainstream media, Walker’s updates to Podesta also include an examination of the Indian twitterati and social media reactions to the foreign funding probe. “Social media activity remains light. Please find a sampling of newly posted tweets below which mention Ford Foundation and Greenpeace,” says one part of the email.

The social media monitoring includes tweets put out by mainstream media publications, but also follows tweets made by specific journalists (Hindu journalist Jatin Anand’s tweets are recorded) as well as by ordinary Twitter users who appear to be staunchly in support of the Modi government’s actions against India. (Sic: it says "against India" but I believe this is a misprint, should be "against Ford Foundation in India" to make sense)

RBI help, Sunday Guardian anger

One e-mail from Walker to Podesta, sent on June 8th 2015, strikes a note of frustration and notes that the Ford Foundation “ had sent urgent notes to the Reserve Bank of India asking for assistance” in transferring funds in order to ensure that the foundation could sustain its basic operations in India.

“I promised I’d give you an update on any developments in India,” Walker writes. “At this point this point, we’ve heard nothing further from the GOI. I sent urgent notes to the Ministry of Home Affairs and Reserve Bank of India last week asking for assistance in immediately releasing our bank accounts from their current status so we can transfer funds from NY for basic operations (mostly salary support, not grants),” the email reads.

The Ford Foundation president also angrily references the article carried by the Sunday Guardian in early June, which profiled the Ford Foundation’s activities in India while describing it as an “entity outside the law”.

“I’m attaching an article from the Guardian, which purports to be an independent newspaper, but is really the mouthpiece for the government and BJP. It’s rife with misrepresentations and erroneous information…not a very encouraging article. I appreciate your help,” Walker wrote.


Podesta intervention?

Another series of emails between Podesta and Ford Foundation board member Thurgood Marshall Jr (on July 15, 2015) also indicates that the Clinton election adviser may have played some role in the Ford Foundation’s response to the Modi government’s crackdown.

An email from Podesta to Marshall first points out that while the latter is on the Ford Foundation’s board, he “didn’t put it together with the India question”.

To which Marshall replied that he was “only too happy to have avoided nitty gritty on the India issue”.

“I am only too happy to have avoided the nitty gritty on the India issue but I was relieved and pleasantly surprised by the swift positive turn of events — hence my recent conversation on the topic with Darren [Ford Foundation President] who identified you as a primary reason for the positive turn,” Marshall wrote.

It is unclear what “swift positive turn of events” Marshall is referring to at this point. In mid-July last year, however, the Ford Foundation and the Modi government started resolving issues after the foundation agreed to register its India arm under the Foreign Exchange Management Act (FEMA). A week after that, the Centre unblocked funds totalling $150,00 which could be used to pay the salaries of the foundation’s employees.
Any of you Internet Hindus make any tweets or posts about the Ford Foundation lately? Quite possibly Hillary, Podesta et al were informed by their able team of watchers.

P.S. Isn't "Sunday Guardian" the newspaper that carried M.D. Nalapat's article about the concerted, long-standing Hillary Clinton effort to defame Modi and influence the Indian elections?
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Nobel Prize for Peace and Literature are really about intellectualism. The award in 2008 and 2016 show the bankruptcy of the baby boomer nostalgia generation. We are seeing the end of thinking.
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Gus wrote:meh, its YOUR reputation that is on the line. What do I care. Go Trump. :P
Is that some sort of threat to someone who disagrees based on fact with your world view?
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rudradev, ulanbatori keep speaking up. your reputation remains sancrosanct.

and most on this forum can look through to understand what you are saying about MSM and how hypocritical the whole bunch are.

fauxnews got busted recently for its anti-wimmen antics. does anyone think the other channels are any better.

heck, NYT, guardian, most US MSM are so deep in the gutter - if they say the sky is blue, go outside and check it.

these guys are just white supremacists in the cloak of the left which has been peddling hinduphobic hatred for a long time.
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Mort Walker wrote:
Gus wrote:meh, its YOUR reputation that is on the line. What do I care. Go Trump. :P
Is that some sort of threat to someone who disagrees based on fact with your world view?
you read what you want to read into it. you have already made up your mind on it, by tacking in premises and assumptions to your question. why bother asking.

lighten up

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^^ beautifully calibrated.

first, personal peccadilloes unleashed at the right time.
second, the attacks from former mil-big state types will pile on.

if DT still doesn't buckle and give GOP a face saving (read farcical) exit, then more of above.

DT is toast, HRC is the next prez.
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Mort Walker wrote:
Gus wrote:meh, its YOUR reputation that is on the line. What do I care. Go Trump. :P
Is that some sort of threat to someone who disagrees based on fact with your world view?
PLEASE. Both of you. The last thing we want here is two Indians getting into a fight over a phoren politician. This is not the place for that argument. Just let it go.
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I understand idev but I will name at least 5 members of this deep state-
George soros,David Koch, Charles Koch, Michael Bloomberg, Sheldon adelson. None of them elected by anyone and I dare say they have more power than the president of the United States in the long term . Presidents come and go but they are a fixed feature
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Karan if these jokers tell u sky is blue , no need to check and waste your energy. The sky is any color but blue .
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There u go! Take THAT, Gusji! All of Ooola-lan Bator decided to vote for T-Rumpanzee!

DT and I must be the only ones who predicted (accurately of course) that OJ was 400% innocent onlee.
For those too young to remember: Many saal pehle, Great Satanistan's newspapers and TV were FULL - for a solid 6 months! with the OJ Simpson Murder Case. Flashback:

Orenthal James Simpson was a legendary running-back for the University of Southern California, where he won the Heisman Trophy, the single annual award for the greatest (American) university football player. He then played pro football with the Buffalo Bills and the San Francisco 49ers in the National Football League. From Wikipedia:
first NFL player to rush for more than 2,000 yards in a season, a mark he set in 1973. While six other players have passed the 2,000-rush yard mark, he stands alone as the only player to rush for more than 2,000 yards in a 14-game season; the NFL changed to a 16-game season in 1978. He holds the record for the single season yards-per-game average, which stands at 143.1. Simpson was inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame in 1983 and the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1985. After retiring from professional football, he had a career as a football broadcaster and actor.
He became the face of Hertz Car Rental, esp. their Hertz Gold program where customers coming off the airport could "bypass the lines and go straight to the car", a disruptive technology and idea at the time. He was seen on TV 50 times a day leaping the Hurdles in a suit, briefcase in hand.

He was known as "O.J." or Orange Juice or just "The Juice". A pleasant face and a hero. A BLACK face. He became a multi-millionaire and went to live in a prestigious nbd in Los Angeles. He married Marguerite, had kids, then started "seeing" :roll: (white woman) Nicole Brown, whom he married after divorcing Marguerite, then divorced, etc etc.

In 1994 Nicole Simpson was found stabbed to death, along with a young pizza delivery man (not known if he was delivering pizza at the time). OJ was out of town, having flown to Chicago the night before. He flew back - and was questioned by police. A few days later he was arrested.

The trial was the most utterly sensationalized in the media, and turned into an absolute circus. The lead prosector, a white woman Marcia Clark was sleeping (or, arguably, **NOT** sleeping) with the (black) asst prosecutor, and her hair styles and couture were more of interest to the media than any evidence.

The Defense Team was an All-Star cast of useless thieves and vultures led by Jewish lawyer Shapiro, who bled OJ dry. He finally hired legendary African American murder defense attorney Johnny Cochran (R.I.P.) who changed the whole trial upside down. The (white and confirmed racist, member of the Aryan Nations or some such) police detective who led the so-called investigation became suspected of planting evidence.

Assembling a set of 12 jurors was a huge challenge - they had to be people who had "not made up their minds about the trial from the media". Thus the term "OJ Simpson Juror" became synonymous with "404" which had not been born then.

To put it simply, the (incompetent - see above re:) Prosecution's single point of "clinching" evidence was a pair of bloodied leather gloves which the prosecution claimed to have found near the murder scene. The blood was confirmed to be the murder victims'. They claimed that the gloves (once) belonged to OJ.
Johnny Cochran put it to the Jury very very very simply in rap cadence:
IF THE GLOVE DON'T FIT, YOU MUST ACQUIT!!!


He got OJ, the big football player, to try on the gloves in court: they VERY CLEARLY were way too small for him.
The Jury took about 5 minutes to return a verdict of complete, unconditional, unambiguous "HECK NO! NOT GUILTY!!"
*************************************************************

The American legal system, to its eternal shame, then allowed a "CIVIL" trial led by the (Jewish) daddy of the pizza delivery guy and the uncle or someone of Nicole's. They got a racist jury, who "found OJ Simpson liable" although he had been plainly acquitted by a jury of his peers at the murder trial. They slapped a ruinous civil judgement on Simpson.

Broke and hounded, Simpson became increasingly erratic. He was eventually arrested for having been part of some robbery. He died not so long ago, broken, probably in jail.

A sample of how The American System destroys the uppity Minority after robbing and stripping his bones clean. This is the same Presumption of Guilt and the Lynchmob mentality that minorities experience. The facts don't matter, evidence don't matter: the mob will kill for $0.05, let alone millions.

This is basically what happened to Cosby as well. Maybe to Rajat Gupta and all the victims of Pree* Khalistanwala Bha****. People who don't look at the whole picture, but keep their tunnel vision confined to the sensationalist News Du Jour on CNN, cannot see that it is a case of
Do not send to see for whom The Bell Tolls: it tolls for thee!
Evidently T-Rumpanzee saw something there, enough to want to let OJ tell his story. The networks of course nixed it.
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UlanBatori wrote:
Broke and hounded, Simpson became increasingly erratic. He was eventually arrested for having been part of some robbery. He died not so long ago, broken, probably in jail.
Huh? OJ is alive and in jail for armed robbery and other charges.
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Oh, my bad! I thought I had read that he had become
Free at last! Free at last! Lawd Almighty I am Free At Last!
:

Hmm! This is what registered in my mind that he had died"a "celebrity death hoax". Probably same ppl who claimed that Elvis is dead.

Per wikipedia:
In 2008, he was convicted[2][3] and sentenced to 33 years imprisonment, with a minimum of nine years without parole.[4] He is serving his sentence at the Lovelock Correctional Center in Lovelock, Nevada.[5]
Maybe Trumpanzee will let him out in 2017 to become Secretary Of State. Or maybe Attorney General :mrgreen:
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nachiket wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:
Broke and hounded, Simpson became increasingly erratic. He was eventually arrested for having been part of some robbery. He died not so long ago, broken, probably in jail.
Huh? OJ is alive and in jail for armed robbery and other charges.
yeah..I was reading that and thought..huh were there TWO OJs :shock:
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that's an indian origin elephant right? check the (smaller) ears.
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The big-eared variety are the Bush family. This is the Trump family.
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Gus wrote:
nachiket wrote: Huh? OJ is alive and in jail for armed robbery and other charges.
yeah..I was reading that and thought..huh were there TWO OJs :shock:
Low, low.. :(( Even I can fall victim to these sorts of scams - I was saddened and did not have the heart to check into the story when I read a brief headline that he had passed away.
Note that all pictures these days of him, show him with his eyes focusing in convergent manner, to show that he is, well, not sane. Cheap stunt.
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Karan M wrote:that's an indian origin elephant right? check the (smaller) ears.
May be.

I posted that to show Trump in disguise managing the elephant (Repubs).
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I thought I was pretty much done for teh day. Until ........................

New York Times to Donald Trump: We won't retract
In a letter to Trump attorney Marc E. Kasowitz sent Thursday, New York Times general counsel David McCraw wrote, of the request that the Times retract the story, "We decline to do so."

McCraw then laid into Kasowitz and his client, writing, "The essence of a libel claim, of course, is the protection of one's reputation. Mr. Trump has bragged about his non-consensual sexual touching of women. He has bragged about intruding on beauty pageant contestants in their dressing rooms. He acquiesced to a radio host's request to discuss Mr. Trump's own daughter as a 'piece of ass.' Multiple women not mentioned in our article have publicly come forward to report on Mr. Trump's unwanted advances."

He continued: "Nothing in our article has had the slightest effect on the reputation that Mr. Trump, through his own words and actions, has already created for himself."
Trump shoots himself in the foot and then claims someone else shot him!!! Typical.

On a lesser note:
Times sources told CNNMoney there were spontaneous bursts of applause for McCraw when he walked through the paper's newsroom on Thursday afternoon.
Not a fan of NYT, but good for them. For once someone has stood up to this bully.




(Part of) The response:
Dear. Mr. Kasowitz:
I write in response to your letter of October 12, 2016 to Dean Baquet concerning your client Donald Trump, the Republican Party nominee for President of the United States. You write concerning our article "Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately" and label the article as "libel per se." You ask that we "remove it from [our] website, and issue a full and immediate retraction and apology." We decline to do so.
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Looks like wikiLeaks is doing a very good job.

First on CNN: Religious leaders slam Clinton campaign over emails
In the email, Halpin wrote that 21st Century Fox Chairman Rupert Murdoch and NewsCorp Chairman Robert Thomson, who are both Catholic, are attracted to the faith because of "systemic thought and severely backward gender relations."

Palmieri responded: "I imagine they think it is the most socially acceptable, politically conservative religion -- their rich friends wouldn't understand if they became evangelical."

The religious leaders said in the statement, "Podesta's refusal to raise any objection makes him equally party to this bigotry. It is inexcusable. It is shameful. It is un-American."
I am starting to like this Podesta guy. Which side of the fence does he stand? He is hated by the very people who love him.
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Is this an admission that America is no better than a jihadi taking control in pakistan?
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hanumadu wrote:
Is this an admission that America is no better than a jihadi taking control in pakistan?
In a Trump Presidency? Yes.

Why the doubt?
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NRao wrote:In a Trump Presidency? Yes.

Why the doubt?
Well Amreeka survived Reagan and Bush. What harm could Trump possibly do?
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Kashi wrote:
NRao wrote:In a Trump Presidency? Yes.

Why the doubt?
Well Amreeka survived Reagan and Bush. What harm could Trump possibly do?
Outside of reaching under the skirt and groping Trump has not much else. He does not wait to push buttons.

Never thought of it from that angle. Guess you are right.
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NRao wrote:Looks like wikiLeaks is doing a very good job.

First on CNN: Religious leaders slam Clinton campaign over emails
In the email, Halpin wrote that 21st Century Fox Chairman Rupert Murdoch and NewsCorp Chairman Robert Thomson, who are both Catholic, are attracted to the faith because of "systemic thought and severely backward gender relations."

Palmieri responded: "I imagine they think it is the most socially acceptable, politically conservative religion -- their rich friends wouldn't understand if they became evangelical."

The religious leaders said in the statement, "Podesta's refusal to raise any objection makes him equally party to this bigotry. It is inexcusable. It is shameful. It is un-American."
I am starting to like this Podesta guy. Which side of the fence does he stand? He is hated by the very people who love him.
aw cmon NRAO, you're not a social justice warrior are you? geez......I understand if you don't like Trump heck, I don't like him either. but McCain is not running for president........so I'm not voting in this fiasco.
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NRao wrote:I thought I was pretty much done for teh day. Until ........................

New York Times to Donald Trump: We won't retract
In a letter to Trump attorney Marc E. Kasowitz sent Thursday, New York Times general counsel David McCraw wrote, of the request that the Times retract the story, "We decline to do so."

McCraw then laid into Kasowitz and his client, writing, "The essence of a libel claim, of course, is the protection of one's reputation. Mr. Trump has bragged about his non-consensual sexual touching of women. He has bragged about intruding on beauty pageant contestants in their dressing rooms. He acquiesced to a radio host's request to discuss Mr. Trump's own daughter as a 'piece of ass.' Multiple women not mentioned in our article have publicly come forward to report on Mr. Trump's unwanted advances."

He continued: "Nothing in our article has had the slightest effect on the reputation that Mr. Trump, through his own words and actions, has already created for himself."
Trump shoots himself in the foot and then claims someone else shot him!!! Typical.

On a lesser note:
Times sources told CNNMoney there were spontaneous bursts of applause for McCraw when he walked through the paper's newsroom on Thursday afternoon.
Not a fan of NYT, but good for them. For once someone has stood up to this bully.




(Part of) The response:
Dear. Mr. Kasowitz:
I write in response to your letter of October 12, 2016 to Dean Baquet concerning your client Donald Trump, the Republican Party nominee for President of the United States. You write concerning our article "Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately" and label the article as "libel per se." You ask that we "remove it from [our] website, and issue a full and immediate retraction and apology." We decline to do so.

I had posted this earlier (top of the page). The part that is likely to agitate Trump the most is right at the end -
If Mr. Trump disagrees, if he believes that American citizens had no right to hear what these women had to say and that the law of this country forces us and those who would dare to criticize him to stand silent or be punished, we welcome the opportunity to have a court set him straight
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Sorry, I missed your post.



BTW, Mr. Trump, yesterday, cancelled an interview with Hannity, perhaps the only CNN anchor who favors him.


Furthermore, big donors are encouraging RNC to back out, one saying he could not trust his daughter with Trump. Funny.
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one saying he could not trust his daughter with Trump
Oh! Agint 007 is back hain? :eek: Planning a WHOTUS Internship, no doubt.
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ramana wrote:Nobel Prize for Peace and Literature are really about intellectualism. The award in 2008 and 2016 show the bankruptcy of the baby boomer nostalgia generation. We are seeing the end of thinking.
IMO its about elites recognising they have lost control. Dylans protest songs like 'Hard Rain' and 'Times they are A-changin' are more relevant today than in 1960.
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https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/786889660245086208

Podesta emails show future Clinton cabinet may have already been stiched up by Goldman Sachs & Citi like Obama's was


The Most Important WikiLeaks Revelation Isn’t About Hillary Clinton

What John Podesta’s emails from 2008 reveal about the way power works in the Democratic Party.
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NRao wrote:Sorry, I missed your post.



BTW, Mr. Trump, yesterday, cancelled an interview with Hannity, perhaps the only CNN anchor who favors him.


Furthermore, big donors are encouraging RNC to back out, one saying he could not trust his daughter with Trump. Funny.

Isn't Hannity Fox news anchor ?

-M
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Mihaylo wrote:
Isn't Hannity Fox news anchor ?

-M
Thx. Stand corrected.
Austin wrote:https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/786889660245086208

Podesta emails show future Clinton cabinet may have already been stiched up by Goldman Sachs & Citi like Obama's was


The Most Important WikiLeaks Revelation Isn’t About Hillary Clinton

What John Podesta’s emails from 2008 reveal about the way power works in the Democratic Party.
The two good things in this horrendous election cycle: Trump and WikiLeaks. One had to get elected (little chance around that). Eliminate one and control the other.


Btw, two very appropriate tweets in that WikiLeak Tweet:
Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.

Buddha
And the common things between the two nations besides "democracy" (yeah, yeah):
@wikileaks @NewRepublic Ahh ! Like it's done in #BananaRepublicIndia ! Neera Radia
If these two nations clean up their act the whole of humanity should/could see the benefits.
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Trump has single handedly destroyed an entire range of Republican leadership. Everyone - the tea-party folks like ted cruz, the establishment behind the scenes like Preibus, the establishment candidates like Jeb, the ej candidates like Pence

Of the top 20 to 30 recognizable names in GOP leadership, nobody has come out the better. They are all going to take flak for any one or a combination of these

- not standing with trump and betraying him
- not standing up to trump and stopping him
- stood up to trump and lost it and are now branded losers

ted cruz managed all three.
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I guess that says more about those guys than DT.

Funny that even chomsky is on record saying in spite of DT's noise, there is not much policy difference among these 11 (at that time) or so candidates.
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