Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III

habal · Post by **habal** » 15 Oct 2016 19:33

I am not very excited gus, only suggesting that other polls may have different results. And if MSM polls have democratic party sample, then real difference between the two may only be 1 or 2% in favor of Hillary.

In a genuine poll, her main problem is that her voters do not always find the enthusiasm to go down the block and stand in a queue for hours.

Even debauchery is not a strong repellant as most mainstream media outlets want people to believe, most of us know atleast one such person in circle of acquaintances who is wealthy, loud, boorish and borderline deviant. I mean it's not a phenotype that has never been seen before.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 15 Oct 2016 19:49

other polls?

you mean "poll". singular. with a proven bias.

wtf is a MSM polls? you do understand that several polling companies are non-partisan and non-media affiliated and folks like 538 have tools to do the 'poll of polls' thing that puts out better tracking, that have been proved consistently right

in a genuine poll

you mean, the ones showing trump leading are genuine. anything else is "MSM polls"

If rasmussen is genuine, then romney would be prez.

so what's it going to be. 'deep state' stole election because rasmussen showed how trump was leading?

habal · Post by **habal** » 15 Oct 2016 20:04

yeah, CNN/MSNBC polls are not genuine. polling sample hi kharab hain. It is like the saddam has chemical weapons proof submitted to UN. Nothing new for Americans, but rest need not take it seriously.

habal · Post by **habal** » 15 Oct 2016 21:10

TRUMP TAKES THE GLOVES OFF
It's now MMA-style, all-in, kickin' and a-bitin' and a-gougin'.
www.youtube.com/embed/mxjLuvR0338
Enjoy.

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 15 Oct 2016 21:15

Gus wrote:other polls? you mean "poll". singular. with a proven bias.

wtf is a MSM polls? you do understand that several polling companies are non-partisan and non-media affiliated and folks like 538 have tools to do the 'poll of polls' thing that puts out better tracking, that have been proved consistently right
in a genuine poll
you mean, the ones showing trump leading are genuine. anything else is "MSM polls"

If rasmussen is genuine, then romney would be prez.

so what's it going to be. 'deep state' stole election because rasmussen showed how trump was leading?

All polls that have Trump loosing "big-league" are fixed (even the Fox MSM poll). Similarly the trumpanzees are being prepped and will soon be claiming that the ultimate 'poll' will also be fixed by the MSM+Jews+International_Banking + "third layer of the deep state "+ "insert whatever Trump says in the future". Of course the ultimate test will be the Nov. 28 election

It doesn't matter that the 538 Polls Only model has HRC with better odds of winning Texas than Donald Trump has of winning the Presidency..but why look at ALL of the POLLS and the underlying data when we can just look at one.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/201 ... id=rrpromo

Not only is he going to loose 'bigly' he is going to sink the GOP with him and give HRC and the Democratic Party way more control that even a Cruz like candidate would have. Once all this has happened team trump will likely blame other republicans for all this. Its always someone else, NEVER their candidate himself. From a credible check on a Clinton WH angle, the GOP will come out of this a divided (some would say torn) party with tainted leaders that have either supported Trump out of compulsion ( those up for election or because of the posts they hold such as Ryan, Rubio, Ayote..), or worst because of political survival (Christie, Sessions, Gingrich etc). It will be interesting to see how they pivot once the dust settles. Either way, the Dems will for many years keep on using Trump and the GOP's response to his candidacy as a means to charge up the key demographics of Women, Hispanics, Asians, and even college educated suburban white voters. If the GOP thought demographics were against them post 2012 - wait till Trump finishes with his crusade to MAGA.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 15 Oct 2016 21:41

ultimate poll.

rasmussen used to do only landlines on 2012 which naturally was a sample bias for repub. there are references that their methodology has changed, but they are still showing higher numbers for red.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 15 Oct 2016 21:51

All this stuff about Beauty contests is nonsense. Having watched Miss Congeniality4 times in the Ulan Bator Laughing Yak Cinema Palace, I happen to be an expert on the subject. It is perfectly routine for the organizers to walk in on partially-clad (and that of course is an overstatement since 'normal attire' is a couple of handkerchiefs) contestants. The scary thing would be if Trump were to walk in on the contestants b4 they put on their makeup.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 15 Oct 2016 22:30

oops! 3 more Trump supporters taken out of the election.

(CNN)Three men face domestic terrorism charges for allegedly plotting to bomb an apartment complex occupied by Somali immigrants in southwest Kansas, the U.S. Department of Justice said Friday.
The men had talked about filling four vehicles with explosives and parking them at the four corners of the apartment complex in Garden City, Kansas, to create a large explosion, the DOJ said in a news release.

About 120 Somali immigrants live in the complex, CNN affiliate KWCH reported, and acting U.S. Attorney Tom Beall said one of the apartment units served as a mosque.
The trio, members of a militia group that called itself The Crusaders, wanted to "wake people up," the DOJ said. They were stockpiling weapons and planned to release a manifesto after the explosion, Beall said at a news conference.
"These charges are based on eight months of investigation by the FBI that is alleged to have taken the investigators deep into a hidden culture of hatred and violence," acting U.S. Attorney Tom Beall said. "Many Kansans may find it as startling as I do that such things could happen here."

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 16 Oct 2016 03:15

Gus wrote: ... Billy Bush ...

Gus, NBC is settling out of court for millions of dollars with BB.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 16 Oct 2016 03:21

Nice.

WikiLeaks releases transcripts of Clinton Goldman Sachs speeches

3 of them it looks like.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 16 Oct 2016 04:34

matrimc wrote:
Gus wrote: ... Billy Bush ...
Gus, NBC is settling out of court for millions of dollars with BB.

More tapes?

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 16 Oct 2016 04:50

No. 9 now. Woman claiming that he forcibly kissed her

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 16 Oct 2016 05:55

habal wrote:In a genuine poll, her main problem is that her voters do not always find the enthusiasm to go down the block and stand in a queue for hours.

She got 17 million votes in the Democratic primary to 14 million for Trump in the Republican primary. And that was before the nomination.

After nomination...well... in the immortal words of that dude playing a dude disguised as another dude, Trump 'went full retard'. From the 'Mexican' judge, to the dead soldier's 'mute' mother, to furious tweets against a former beauty pageant winner at 3 AM, he insisted on setting his briefs on fire in public and then complained about the 'biased' media's over-attention.

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 16 Oct 2016 06:08

Just in fron Trump meeting in NJ.

https://youtu.be/xZYpK2bGMpY

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 16 Oct 2016 06:21

habal wrote:I am not very excited gus, only suggesting that other polls may have different results. And if MSM polls have democratic party sample, then real difference between the two may only be 1 or 2% in favor of Hillary.

As long as the pollster shows how he got the data, what are his/her assumption/weights/etc, ...... in short they are transparent, it is fine.

People will still have doubts based on their individual biases or hopes. Nothing one can do about that.

In a genuine poll, her main problem is that her voters do not always find the enthusiasm to go down the block and stand in a queue for hours.

I think you meant to say "election" and not "poll"? IF you meant "poll" then it would not matter. The "poll" would capture this deviation - if indeed there is one.

That most of know a person with such qualities is not the point. This guy is NOT border line deviant for sure. No one in his/her right mind, standing for elections, would declare that he/she would put the opponent in jail - just not done. This guy pooh-poohs classified briefings he gets (think of that - it is no longer classified). He has stated that he would dismiss Generals under him - not one or two. In short if anyone (forget Generals) do not listen to him he would act to get them out of the way. He has stated that if nations do not renegotiate he would walk away (actually I like that - benefits me personally). Etc. Etc. Etc.

The point being Trump has his own way of dealing with the world - and people who support him do not realize this. He will roll over those that supported him in this elections if they do not continue to support him.

Trump has thrown his VP under the bus - already. Now I am waiting for him to throw Christie - who has stopped defending Trump to the extent he used to. Christie who coached Trump for the debates did not make it to the last debate.

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 16 Oct 2016 06:22

UlanBatori wrote:All this stuff about Beauty contests is nonsense. Having watched Miss Congeniality4 times in the Ulan Bator Laughing Yak Cinema Palace, I happen to be an expert on the subject. It is perfectly routine for the organizers to walk in on partially-clad (and that of course is an overstatement since 'normal attire' is a couple of handkerchiefs) contestants. The scary thing would be if Trump were to walk in on the contestants b4 they put on their makeup.

I’ll tell you the funniest is that I’ll go backstage before a show and everyone’s getting dressed ... No men are anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in, because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it…. 'Is everyone OK'? You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. 'Is everybody OK?' And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

- TRUMP

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 16 Oct 2016 06:35

for miss teen USA as well.

that's not boor. that's well into creep territory.

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 16 Oct 2016 06:41

Meet bill clinton,s son . nice.

https://youtu.be/wkvd1hEVXoM

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 16 Oct 2016 06:55

Pretty good speech in Noo Joisy. Tougher one in New Hampshire.

shyam · Post by **shyam** » 16 Oct 2016 07:37

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 16 Oct 2016 07:37

I am considering forming ATV (Anonymous Trump Voters)
Extremely dangerous to say out loud in many PC households and workplaces and general nbds that one admires/plan 2 vote for/ like DT.

I bet there are several companies/universities where one can get fired for saying so. I mean, where the Ruling Classes truly believe in the liberal notions of Free Speech, Dissent etc.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 16 Oct 2016 07:49

WikiLeaks emails show Clinton campaign collected data to discredit Bill Clinton accuser

Hillary has her work cut out for the next debate. Forget Trump or her husband, she has to face Podesta's emails and more.

Not a smooth ride.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 16 Oct 2016 08:15

^^^Trump has the uncanny ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 16 Oct 2016 08:16

The Moderators of the last debate deserve to be taken out and hanged. They deliberately prevented any discussion of serious issues and FORCED the discussion to be all about na-na-na-na. I want to hear why Hillary & Co have not been able to stop ISIS fuel deliveries until the Russians did it, for instance, but these *&^%s won't ask any substantive questions. Or how they are really going to raise interest rates w/o crashing the stock market. Or reduce the trade deficit. Or reduce college costs. Or how Trump can raise wages in America while keeping jobs inside America and making money for the factories in competition against the world. This campaign has been utterly devoid of any education for the voters.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 16 Oct 2016 08:16

UlanBatori wrote:Pretty good speech in Noo Joisy. Tougher one in New Hampshire.

Any excerpts on YouTube yet?

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 16 Oct 2016 08:21

Looks like YouTube deliberately blocked streaming from the RHC event in NJ tonight.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 16 Oct 2016 08:22

Oh, yes, I went there from links posted above. There was even a scantilyclad mohterma there (by desi standards I mean) and DT did **NOT** grope her.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 16 Oct 2016 08:26

UlanBatori wrote:Oh, yes, I went there from links posted above. There was even a scantilyclad mohterma there (by desi standards I mean) and DT did **NOT** grope her.

He is drugged. Need of the hour is to behave. Conway.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 16 Oct 2016 08:30

Link is still there, video is still there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZYpK2b ... e=youtu.be

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 16 Oct 2016 08:31

UlanBatori wrote:The Moderators of the last debate deserve to be taken out and hanged.

Well if Trump gets elected, I'm sure he'll do the needful...

They deliberately prevented any discussion of serious issues and FORCED the discussion to be all about na-na-na-na. I want to hear why Hillary & Co have not been able to stop ISIS fuel deliveries until the Russians did it, for instance, but these *&^%s won't ask any substantive questions. Or how they are really going to raise interest rates w/o crashing the stock market. Or reduce the trade deficit. Or reduce college costs. Or how Trump can raise wages in America while keeping jobs inside America and making money for the factories in competition against the world. This campaign has been utterly devoid of any education for the voters.

If Trump's voting base were the sort to care about actual policy details, he wouldn't have had a ghost of chance of winning the presidency.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 16 Oct 2016 09:11

If Trump's voting base were the sort to care about actual policy details, he wouldn't have had a ghost of chance of winning the presidency.

If he had a chance to discuss them in the debate instead of being ambushed 3-to-1, perhaps he could have stated his positions which make sense to the massive unemployed and underemployed.

habal · Post by **habal** » 16 Oct 2016 09:18

the unemployed and underemployed are either not voting for hillary or are not voting at all.

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 16 Oct 2016 09:36

Mort Walker wrote:If he had a chance to discuss them in the debate instead of being ambushed 3-to-1, perhaps he could have stated his positions which make sense to the massive unemployed and underemployed.

Its been 16 months since he announced his candidacy. He's already been through 12 debates in the primaries and then the one post-primary.

He doesn't have any positions. He's a beauty contest running reality TV star. Possibly suffering from dementia (and I'm not being flippant).

His approach is pretty much summed up by the public survey he emailed around trying to crowd-source talking points for the second debate.

Subject: Help me prepare for the big debate

Second Debate Preparation Survey

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 16 Oct 2016 09:40

Well, his visit to the Hindu group made front page news on wash post.

Trump can now offshore his policies, to his new best friend: India. Modi can certainly help the situation.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 16 Oct 2016 15:55

Lots of ideas similar to the India campaign/situation. R u sure HiC wasn't phoren-born or at least conceived in Mexico? About 30% of wealthy/middle class Americans are, u know, either Mexican or French since Life Begins At Conception. Mostly Republicans though.

Same "this is the last election and opportunity to save ~~India~~America". True. HiC's Saudi sponsors do not believe in elections, only erections.
"Pay to Play". Just like Con-gress in India.
Only thing is that Wells Fargo's Stumpkopf tried anticipating a Trumpanzee win by forcing all his employees to open 8 accounts per customer with his

Why 8? Because 8 is Great!

imitating Modi's Bank Account For Every Citjen ... and ended up with a mere $220 M retirement.

Same Willingness 2 Call It Islamic Terrorism instead of One Community Miltancy.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 16 Oct 2016 16:01

And now v know that DT is 400% Pro-Minority. Next stop: Nationalist Eskimo-American Endorsement. Maybe an endorsement from each of the First Nations.
The thing is, Organized Labor wants none of his "Bring Jobs Back 2 Murrica!" because they are the reason the jobs left in the first place.
OTOH, his friends in the Noo Joisey and Nevada Casnio bijnej are also "Organized Labor" ...

Wonder what they can deliver. I wish he hadn't antagonized them with his claims to Stop Drugs Inflow.

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 16 Oct 2016 16:30

Viv S wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:If he had a chance to discuss them in the debate instead of being ambushed 3-to-1, perhaps he could have stated his positions which make sense to the massive unemployed and underemployed.
Its been 16 months since he announced his candidacy. He's already been through 12 debates in the primaries and then the one post-primary.

He doesn't have any positions. He's a beauty contest running reality TV star. Possibly suffering from dementia (and I'm not being flippant).

His approach is pretty much summed up by the public survey he emailed around trying to crowd-source talking points for the second debate.

Subject: Help me prepare for the big debate

Second Debate Preparation Survey

Spot on. Glad to see some folks here still hold his words true though. This is a guy who as of couple of years ago thought Hillary was a good Secretary of State, Bill a great president, is on record of opposing practically every political position he has taken post-announcement, was a birther (and now claims he put it to rest after the birth certificate was released, even though he was on record of having brought it up again just this Feb.), and of course still (at least as of last week) maintains that there is no one that has more respect for women than he does, a few months after claiming that women should be punished for having abortions and right after he himself bragged about grabbing them by their p***y etc. He's been on every side of practically every issue and has even created sides to issues that no one thought even existed

.

But of course, he says so, therefore it must be true

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But at least they have him back on the ~~meds~~ teleprompter now..

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 16 Oct 2016 18:12

Flexibility (not to mention selective amnesia) is the hallmark of greatness.

Ronald Reagan, prime example.
Wait, he had it compounded with stupidity as well. Entertained the leaders of the Afghan Taliban at the WHOTUS as

Like Our Founding Fathers, the Freedom Fighters

BTW, I KNEW I was missing a sure bet here to warm up the Hilaradmirers here. Now I remember.
So what's the deal? Bob DYLAN - Nobel Prize for Literature? BAWB DYLAN? As foul-mouthed a drug-pusher and womanizer as ever staggered out from the Woodstock orgies?? Where's the MOHAWG?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASQ-yHWKSQk

Everybody Must Get Stoned (Bob Dylan)

Oh, wait! That's just a ripoff. Like Hilary singing Amazing Grace.

Here's one from the original American Nobel Prize Winner:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnoxKXkPqEE
And an interview:

So why is a decent, law-abiding, hard-working, Gawd-fearing, non-drug-pushing Presidential Candidate who practises these Nobel Prize -winning American traits being so bullied, hain?

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 16 Oct 2016 18:34

Things must be really bad if Breitbart poll has Trump down by 4 in Florida, a state that he CANNOT afford to loose. Interestingly, Murphy isn't really making up ground as Trump falls - Most likely a shift of the hispanic (GOP leaning cuban americans in south florida) vote along with the educated white vote deserting Trump (but apparently not the GOP).

Exclusive - Breitbart/Gravis Poll : Clinton Up 4 Points Over Trump in Florida

He would need to hold OH, and NC and win PA, CO and NV just to overcome a loss in FL. While he may hold OH and NC (both are competitive states where turnout and early voting may make all the difference) the rest looks nearly impossible. While there will be a flood of national-polls expected to come out over the next couple of weeks, what would be MORE important to the election would be state polls out of OH, FL, PA, VA, NC, IA, CO, NV, AZ..

Given that tall order, Trump started Sunday morning addressing the important issues -

@realDonaldTrump wrote:Watched Saturday Night Live hit job on me.Time to retire the boring and unfunny show. Alec Baldwin portrayal stinks. Media rigging election!

https://media.giphy.com/media/l41lPd4rl ... /giphy.gif

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 16 Oct 2016 19:27

"Trump was prevented from talking policy"

That's a good one