Levant crisis - III

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Oct 2016 10:04

Peshmerga trooper plays music for a exhausted iraqi sof trooper

https://mobile.twitter.com/KadhimWaeli/ ... 24/photo/1

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Oct 2016 10:05

Co op seems good so far...both iraqi army and pmu rushed units and ammo to kirkuk to police the curfew and help peshmerga crush any further sleeper cell attacks

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 22 Oct 2016 10:47

UlanBatori wrote:BTW, u see that in Mosul, the US media / UN flunkies report that ISIS has taken civilians hostage as human shields. But in Aleppo, the Moderate Islamic Terrorists are just covering the civilians to protect them from Russian airstrikes. No human shield business. They are shelling the exits that the Syrians/Russians have opened up, of course, to 'protect' the civilians and save them the trouble of leaving Aleppo.

the people of Alepo are not daesh and they are not rounding up men and children and executing them.

your politics are stomping out your morals rather successfully it seems.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 22 Oct 2016 10:54

Singha wrote:Peshmerga trooper plays music for a exhausted iraqi sof trooper

https://mobile.twitter.com/KadhimWaeli/ ... 24/photo/1

doesn't look like Iraqi SOF to me.

pralay · Post by **pralay** » 22 Oct 2016 13:12

TSJones wrote:the people of Alepo are not daesh and they are not rounding up men and children and executing them.
your politics are stomping out your morals rather successfully it seems.

Thats problem with mango-americans,
they believe that there is no such thing as Al-Qaida in syria(Even though it is funded by their tax-money).

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Oct 2016 15:55

Western analysts are pinning faith on the next attempt to break aleppo siege

مية Al khalidi – ‏@AlKhalidi_news

Thousands upon thousands await upon Aleppo's doors,&between them & lifting the siege on their families are filthy Iranian & Russian Hoards+

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 22 Oct 2016 16:18

preparations afoot for military/more sanctions on Sy
'Syria blamed for chemical weapons attack in 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37736184

The Security Council backed up the agreement with a resolution that if Syria did not comply, it could face sanctions or military action under Chapter 7 of the UN Charter.'

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Oct 2016 16:36

Navstéva ‏@Navsteva
Ahrar al-Sham publicly executed on 14 local self-gov’t officials who called on people to use the humanitarian corridors to leave E. Aleppo

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Oct 2016 16:36

Truce is over in few hours..the fight will restart late tonight ist

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 22 Oct 2016 16:43

IndraD wrote:preparations afoot for military/more sanctions on Sy
'Syria blamed for chemical weapons attack in 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37736184

The Security Council backed up the agreement with a resolution that if Syria did not comply, it could face sanctions or military action under Chapter 7 of the UN Charter.'

That was conditional, Russia China would veto it

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 22 Oct 2016 19:01

Kuznetsov Battle Group Caught in Rough Sea , Caught from Camera on the Carrier

Santosh · Post by **Santosh** » 22 Oct 2016 19:07

TSJones wrote: the people of Alepo are not daesh and they are not rounding up men and children and executing them.
your politics are stomping out your morals rather successfully it seems.

Singha wrote: Navstéva ‏@Navsteva
Ahrar al-Sham publicly executed on 14 local self-gov’t officials who called on people to use the humanitarian corridors to leave E. Aleppo

So, moderate islamists are turning into extremist islamists?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 22 Oct 2016 19:13

TSJones wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:BTW, u see that in Mosul, the US media / UN flunkies report that ISIS has taken civilians hostage as human shields. But in Aleppo, the Moderate Islamic Terrorists are just covering the civilians to protect them from Russian airstrikes. No human shield business. They are shelling the exits that the Syrians/Russians have opened up, of course, to 'protect' the civilians and save them the trouble of leaving Aleppo.
the people of Alepo are not daesh and they are not rounding up men and children and executing them.

your politics are stomping out your morals rather successfully it seems.

And yours are perhaps blinding you, making it unable to read and comprehend? The US-backed, US-funded, US-armed and US-trained Islamic terrorists in Aleppo are shelling the exit corridors to prevent people from leaving. No wasting one bullet per person, they are just blowing them limbs off, men, women, children. And it appears that you consider that to be completely "moral"?

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 22 Oct 2016 19:36

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/ira ... 73951.html

Compare the coverage of Mosul and East Aleppo and it tells you a lot about the propaganda we consume.
In both countries, two large Sunni Arab urban centres – East Aleppo in Syria and Mosul in Iraq – are being besieged by pro-government forces strongly supported by foreign airpower. Yet the coverage is very different

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Oct 2016 20:04

Iraqi PMU English ‏@pmu_english
#BREAKING - #Iraqi #PMU commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis arrives with large PMU reinforcements to establish security in #Kirkuk from #ISIS

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Oct 2016 20:13

Pkk in characteristic loose shalwar pants also sent ppl to kirkuk as did hpg or huk another armed group.

Itv reporter covers 4 svbied attacks on his convoy in day
https://mobile.twitter.com/itvnews/stat ... 28/video/1

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Oct 2016 20:15

Only some of the chechen or iraqi daesh elites seem capable of deft platoon unit military activity..rest are enthusiastic and cruel but not that cohesive.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 22 Oct 2016 21:04

Kremlin: Syria’s breakup may become catastrophe for the region

More:
http://tass.com/politics/908121?_ga=1.1 ... 1462511035

MOSCOW, October 22. /TASS/. The Russian president’s Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov is confident a breakup of Syria may have catastrophic consequences for that region.

"Syria’s territory should be liberated," he said in an interview with the Vesti V Subbotu weekly television program on Saturday. "And everything should be done to hinder the breakup of that country into any parts, which may have most catastrophic consequences for the region."

In a comment on the Russian base in Syria’s Tartus, he said "it is not a goal, but means to achieve the goal."

"And the goal, which the president voiced in the very beginning, is assistance to the Syrian legitimate authorities in fighting terrorism, in fighting IS and other terrorist organizations," he said.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 22 Oct 2016 21:21

Sir, TSJ is IIRC a US Military vet.

They are (like most other professional military forces) hardwired to accept orders as given by the superiors without any questions.

Add to that the natural tendency to feel a sense of familial binding and loyalty to the successive generations in the military and the questions on morals seem to be very very far away

UlanBatori wrote:
TSJones wrote:
the people of Alepo are not daesh and they are not rounding up men and children and executing them.

your politics are stomping out your morals rather successfully it seems.
And yours are perhaps blinding you, making it unable to read and comprehend? The US-backed, US-funded, US-armed and US-trained Islamic terrorists in Aleppo are shelling the exit corridors to prevent people from leaving. No wasting one bullet per person, they are just blowing them limbs off, men, women, children. And it appears that you consider that to be completely "moral"?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Oct 2016 21:26

Rudaw English ‏@RudawEnglish
#BREAKING : 'According to history #Mosul belongs to us" says Turkish president Erdogan

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 22 Oct 2016 21:33

So the "US-backed" drive to "rescue" Mosul is simply to replace the ISIS with their handlers the NATO Erdogan Caliphate. How many US soldiers have already died doing this?

Y I Patel · Post by **Y I Patel** » 22 Oct 2016 22:05

Turkey was the prime instigator of the anti-Assad Sunni uprising that later metastasized into ISIS, and has the most to gain from a de-facto Sunni zone of control in that region. The Mosul - Aleppo axis is the spine of this region. I wonder if the current situation is now causing Turkey to play its hand.

Russia should be very careful about how it orchestrates the effort to recover Aleppo. A major humanitarian disaster over there might just be the excuse Turkey needs to send its army in.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 22 Oct 2016 22:16

if at first you don't succeed (or 2nd or 3rd, etc..), then well, gas 'em.......UN report

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/syrias ... rt-n671136

didn't work? well gas 'em again.

yep them Ruskis and Hezboolah are some fierce fighters alright

. I think the Snyder Texas high school football team could kick their a$$ and they've lost 5 games already this season.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 23 Oct 2016 00:33

Oh, Yeah! Must have got 'em straight from Sad-dam Hussein's Equally-Certified-By-Colin-Powell in UNSC WMD stores

Ever heard of the ~~boy hu cried wolf~~ State Dept Spokesman who cried "WMD"?
Try reporting from a credible channel - like National Enquirer.
The amazing thing though, is that when the ISIS US-funded Freedom-Fighting Child-Beheaders use Sarin, it only kills Assad's brutal baby-hospital bombing murderers. When the US' Saudi Gentle Freedom-Fighting Wahabi Universal Beheaders lob chlorine, they accurately hit the babies shown gasping for breath in the soon-2-b-Russky-bombed Pediatric Hospital.
You gotta love this!

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 23 Oct 2016 01:54

Russian fighter carrier floating towards Syria is the only one Ru has and it has broken down many times in past

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/22/world ... .html?_r=0

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 23 Oct 2016 03:11

In comparison US has 10 aircraft carriers ^ !
RU has far more number of other navy vessels, compared with US
Navy > Corvette warships 70
Navy > Submarines 17

But US has vastly superior air force in terms of fighter jets & attack helis

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 23 Oct 2016 04:14

IndraD wrote:In comparison US has 10 aircraft carriers ^ !
RU has far more number of other navy vessels, compared with US
Navy > Corvette warships 70
Navy > Submarines 17

But US has vastly superior air force in terms of fighter jets & attack helis

heh, heh, giggle.........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... tates_Navy

http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/ric ... the-world/

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 23 Oct 2016 06:12

The 12 granit silos on kuzzy look big enough to fire icbm

Hopefully now sporting sub scale kalibr types perhaps 3 in each hole

http://forum.sub-driver.com/filedata/fe ... &type=full

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 23 Oct 2016 06:19

Looks like manholes in a main road.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 23 Oct 2016 07:29

Austin wrote:Kuznetsov Battle Group Caught in Rough Sea , Caught from Camera on the Carrier

This is from the 2004 cruise.

Hitesh · Post by **Hitesh** » 23 Oct 2016 07:42

IndraD wrote:In comparison US has 10 aircraft carriers ^ !
RU has far more number of other navy vessels, compared with US
Navy > Corvette warships 70
Navy > Submarines 17

But US has vastly superior air force in terms of fighter jets & attack helis

That is because of their different sea fighting philosophy. Russia sea philosophy tend to go more toward sea control denial and limited sea dominance whereas US sea philosophy is force power projection and sea dominance.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 23 Oct 2016 10:20

Syrian orcs are openly massing 1000s and stockpiling munitions and vbied in the khan touman and al eis belt to hit ramouseh and 1070 yet again to break the siege.
This buildup is clear and objectives not a secret....ruaf is even bombing it in their spare time.

If the syrians and friends lose this round only themselves to blame as no element of surprise.

Best to let rebels press fwd into certain areas enmasse then plaster with heavy artillery and tos thermobarics...but fornew rig up every cellar in these areas with ieds to be used once the rats take cover.

Saa has repelled another attack on deir azzor military airport.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 23 Oct 2016 11:51

TSJones wrote:
IndraD wrote:In comparison US has 10 aircraft carriers ^ !
RU has far more number of other navy vessels, compared with US
Navy > Corvette warships 70
Navy > Submarines 17

But US has vastly superior air force in terms of fighter jets & attack helis
heh, heh, giggle.........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... tates_Navy

http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/ric ... the-world/

And yet kznetsov guides itself oh so smoothly thru the NATO p$&&y I.e. English Chanel between England and France .

Reminds me of the jungle documentaries........when tigers prowl , monkeys in the trees keep jumping & shrieking to warn others ........their helplessness all too evident

Amreekis can only do a Starbucks, FB chocolate fudge and decadence . They don't have mental stamina when comforts beckon at home.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 23 Oct 2016 12:18

..when tigers prowl ,

hopefully they have their tow boats with them when they prowl.

Meow.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 23 Oct 2016 12:24

Good Write up in Western Media , Quite Rare these days for Main Stream Western Media

No clean-cut way to end Aleppo battle

In criticising the Russian and Syrian operations in Aleppo, the US has set itself and the Iraqi government a near impossible task in the battle for Mosul: can they take the Iraqi city without civilian casualties?

US Secretary of State John Kerry set the standard for capturing cities in the Middle East at his joint press conference with UK Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson a week ago. He said he was deeply disturbed and outraged by what was happening in Aleppo. The siege and bombings were "a humanitarian disaster". They could stop tomorrow if Russia and the Assad regime behaved according to any norm or any standard of decency.

In their press briefings State Department officials had earlier outlined what was required with spokesman John Kirby saying on October 11 that civilians shouldn't have to leave Aleppo and they shouldn't be bombed by the Russians or the Syrian government.

Six days later, as the American-backed Iraqi government campaign to take Mosul began, another State Department spokesman, Mark Toner, wasn't ruling out Mosul's evacuation. In answer to a direct question comparing the two situations, he said it was not a question of whether the US thought civilians should or should not have to leave Mosul. The US recognised the fact that they would have to deal with displaced civilians.

There is no question that many civilians have died in the battles that have been raging in Aleppo.

Currently the city is split in two, with the government controlling the western sector where 1.5 million people live and the insurgents controlling the eastern sector, where an estimated 300,000 people live.

The problem for the Syrian government and the Russians is that the rebels, who include the Al-Nusra Front, foreign Jihadist fighters and what the Americans call "the moderate opposition", are intermingled with the civilian population.

Weapons supplied by the US to the moderates in recent years have ended up in the hands of al-Nusra, the Syrian branch of al-Qaeda.

There is no clean-cut way to fight this out.

The American-backed Iraqi forces trying to capture Mosul will encounter the same problem.The Islamic State fighters will not disentangle themselves from the civilian population.The choice is: try to take Mosul or Aleppo and risk civilian casualties, or leave the cities to the jihadists.

If, as the Americans seem to be saying, eastern Aleppo is controlled by moderates, the Americans could, of course, save civilian lives by getting these moderates to lay down their arms or allow the civilians to leave.

But as Kerry well knows, any such proposal would be rejected by the jihadists who will wage war to the bitter end.

In describing the Syrian government and Russians' actions as "crimes against humanity" Kerry entered dangerous territory.

The description invites examination of how this tragedy began – the 2003 American, British and Australian invasion of Iraq.If anything is a crime against humanity, this is it.

The invasion was based on the false claim that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. It was not sanctioned by the United Nations and according to the Iraq Body Count, has cost 250,000 lives, including 165,368 to 184,184 civilians.

We can start to believe that Kerry is seriously concerned about prosecuting war criminals when he moves to have former US president George W. Bush, former British prime minister Tony Blair and former Australian prime minister John Howard taken into custody.

For all their faults – and there are many crimes for which they could be tried – neither Syrian President Bashar al-Assad nor former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein supported al-Qaeda.

The crimes for which Saddam Hussein could most clearly have been prosecuted occurred in the 1980s when he was seen as a US ally and used chemical weapons in the Iraq-Iran war and massacred Kurds in Halabja.

We now know that former US presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush authorised the sale to Iraq of poisonous chemicals and deadly biological viruses, such as anthrax and bubonic plague.

If Kerry wants to look into war crimes he could also look back to 1971when he was a member of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. Not only did the US bomb civilians in Vietnam, they dropped napalm, killing and maiming people, and poured defoliants out of the skies devastating the countryside.

And if we're talking about the sanctity of civilian lives what about Hiroshima and Nagasaki? No. This is not a topic for US leaders to pontificate on.

With their history the Russians must be nonplussed by the suggestion that civilians do not die in war, or that sieges should not be used to defeat an enemy.

The siege of Leningrad took an estimated 1,500,000 lives. (One cemetery alone in the city holds half a million civilian victims.) The battle for Stalingrad – the major turning point in World War II – cost the Soviet Union more than 1 million casualties.

Antony Beevor in his book Stalingrad reports that 9796 civilians lived through the fighting in the battlefield ruins. They included 994 children of whom only nine were reunited with their parents.

The best we can hope for in the current battles in Mosul and Aleppo is that they reach a quick conclusion.

Regrettably Hillary Clinton sees the Russians as having worked against her in her presidential campaign.

She and her advisers are using Cold-War rhetoric to win votes, accusing the Russians of hacking and leaking her emails in an effort to get Donald Trump elected.

With this mindset it is unlikely that Clinton, who supported the US invasion of Iraq, will re-direct Kerry to work constructively with the Russians to defeat the jihadists in Syria, Iraq and elsewhere.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 23 Oct 2016 12:26

Relax boys no need to fight here when do much real fighting is happening. Its a training and validation exercise for the russian navy as kuzzy has not deployed this far out in a long time....carrier air wing will be qualified.

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 23 Oct 2016 13:35

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-37742805

Turkey has insisted that its forces cannot remain idle during the fight to drive so-called Islamic State militants from the Iraqi city of Mosul.
PM Binali Yildirim said it might be necessary to take action because Iraq and the US had not kept their promises.
He said both countries had allowed Shia militias and Kurdish separatists to take part in the operation.

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 23 Oct 2016 13:40

http://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/9952 ... ts-borders

Erdogan: Turkey did not 'willingly' accept its borders

"Young people, look. The Republic [of Turkey] is not our first, but last state. Let me say that we have not accepted these borders willingly. Lest be forgotten, even some of the territories the founding cadres of the Republic were born in were left out of the borders of our new state," said the Turkish President.
Turkey's founder and first President Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was born in the Greek city of Thessaloniki which was then still under Ottoman rule.
"We might have had to say 'yes' to [the news borders] so as to compose ourselves and breath a little with the influence of long-lived wars and continuous losses, but we are against the design of the state and society based on the sacrifice given in the controversial circumstances of the time. It is time to leave this behind,"continued Erdogan.

Nice speech. He isnt mincing words or hiding his intentions.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 23 Oct 2016 13:57

Cohen: Russia Regards Biden’s Cyberwar Threat as Virtual Declaration of War

http://www.larouchepub.com/pr/2016/1610 ... tacks.html

Oct. 20, 2016 (EIRNS)—New York University professor Stephen F. Cohen told radio host John Batchelor on Oct. 18 that Vice President Joe Biden’s threat of cyberwar against Russia, during a weekend TV appearance, "stunned" Moscow. According to a summary published in The Nation, the Kremlin spokesman and commentators in Moscow denounced Biden’s challenge as a virtual "American declaration of war on Russia" and as the first ever in history. Biden’s statement, which clearly had been planned by the White House, could scarcely have been more dangerous or reckless, especially considering that there is no actual evidence or logic for the two allegations against Russia that seem to have prompted it, including alleged hacking, reports a summary of Cohen’s radio interview published in The Nation.

Cohen, reports the summary, points out that, in fact, no actual evidence for this allegation has been produced, only suppositions or, as Glenn Greenwald has argued, "unproven assertions." MIT professor Theodore Postol has written that there is

"no technical way that the U.S. intelligence community could know who did the hacking if it was done by sophisticated nation-state actors."

Instead, Cohen suggests,

"the charges, leveled daily by the Clinton campaign as part of its McCarthyite Kremlin-baiting of Donald Trump, are mostly political, and he laments the way U.S. intelligence officials have permitted themselves to be used for this unprofessional purpose."

An intelligence expert pointed out to EIR that the use of the word "confident" by Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and Secretary of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson, in their Oct. 7 statement accusing Russia of hacking into U.S. election systems and email accounts, indicates that, in fact, there is about a 55-45 split within the intelligence community on that conclusion, showing that there is widespread disagreement about who was actually responsible for the hacks.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 23 Oct 2016 15:10

Our govt should take a leaf from erdogan book and say our borders are british era constructs and not settled either. Everything upto kandahar and kashgar was part of bharat varsha and india would not accept anything less