Levant crisis - III

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TSJones wrote:hooties are being supplied by iran........

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s ... ls-n674181
So?
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nachiket wrote:
TSJones wrote:hooties are being supplied by iran........

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s ... ls-n674181
So?
well, iran and russia need to send more aid and personnel. pump up the jam. let's get those pocket books opened up. :D
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Kurdish PYD Representative Joins Paris Conference for Raqqa Operation
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The Defence Ministers of 13 member states of the anti-ISIS coalition came together in Paris recently to discuss Mosul and Raqqa. Similarly to Mosul, the coalition aims to launch an operation to liberate the Islamic State's capital in Syria.

"We've already begun laying the groundwork with our partners to commence the isolation of Raqqa. As we meet here, we're helping to generate the local forces that will do so," US Defence Secretary Ash Carter told a news conference in Paris.

The Syrian Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD) representative in France, Khaled Issa, was also present at the conference and accused Turkey of attacking the Kurds in Syria to prevent an operation on Raqqa.

"As the world's eyes have turned on Mosul, Turkey has been attacking Kurdish fighters in Syria with artillery fire and aerial bombardment."

Issa called on French and UN Security Council representatives to stop Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan from weakening the struggle against IS with his "irresponsible approach."

Aldar Xelil, a senior executive of the Democratic Society Movement in Syria, said yesterday that Kurdish-led forces were ready for the Raqqa operation.

"If Turkey doesn't join the Raqqa operation we are ready. We are ready to liberate every inch of land under occupation in Syria. The liberation of al-Bab is also on the table. If Raqqa is liberated then al-Bab can be encircled and taken much easier," Xelil said.

Responding to these developments in Ankara today, Turkey's Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said the operation on Raqqa should be carried out by local forces and the Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) should not be included.

The meetings in Paris, which Turkey and Russia did not attend, are expected to continue until mid December.

It is not yet known whether Kurdish forces will participate in the operation to liberate Raqqa.

Source: DW, Reuters
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Why? A few yakhont and SAM's will do nicely. Lets see if the Apaches and F-15/Eurofightersand rest go the way of Saudi Abrahams :rotfl:
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New gen aps like the israeli radar thing and its analogue on armata might defeat a few of atgm atleast laser or optically guided ones. Radar will need a chaff cloud plus jammer. and slat armour skirting seems like a must.

In urban areas despite a low range of 200m a light rpg29 or rpg26 is deadly as a big kornet
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Al masdar news...the real fight starts now...


With the campaign to liberate Mosul nearing week two, the Islamic State claimed to have fended off several Peshmerga and Iraqi Army attacks south, east and north of the ISIS stronghold on Tuesday.

A convoy of some 40 Peshmerga armored vehicles attempted to storm Umar Qabshi village, northeast of Mosul, but encountered fierce ISIS resistance and were forced to withdraw after an hour-long battle.

Skirmishes were also observed at Qarqush (Al-Hamdaniyah) as the Iraqi Army's 9th Division clashed with a few dozen ISIS insurgents still held up in the town. At their closest, the Iraqi Armed Forces on the eastern flank of Mosul are 12 kilometers from the city.


A report from Al-Sumaria TV stating the Iraqi Army had entered the city of Mosul itself proved false; however, the Iraqi Army's 16th Division is still stationed inside Tel Keppe, a town only 6 kilometers north of Mosul.

Despite not gaining any ground in the Nineveh governorate today, the Iraqi Army's 9th, 15th and 16th Divisions are expected to support the Iraqi Army's special forces 'Golden Division' in the final offensive to liberate Mosul city.

While liberating several villages on the outskirts of Mosul from ISIS, the Peshmerga has announced it will not participate in the actual battle for Mosul city, an Arab city which is home to some 1,500,000 people.

Meanwhile, three diversionary ISIS offensives on the cities of Rutbah, Sinjar and Kirkuk have been repelled while the Islamic State is stiffening its frontline around Mosul in anticipation of the publicly announced offensive.

At Ar-Rutbah in western Anbar near the Syrian border, a four-day long battle saw 40 ISIS insurgents and 14 ISIS vehicle destroyed. Meanwhile, Amaq Agency said over 70 Iraqi soldiers were killed in the battle for Ar-Rutbah which eventually saw ISIS forces retreat after a massive batch of reinforcements arrived at the town.
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The 16th div is the one which i believe circled through the east via peshmerga lines and its jump off point was to secure the mosul dam area in north and head south.
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However till date the western gate via tal afar is wide open.

One hopes the b52 pic i posted flying over shahdadi was patrolling the 40km wide gap between shahdadi to deir azzor which is main road from mosul to raqqa. with dozens of sfw weapons and long endurance even a single large bomber can play havoc all day therein.

If the russians were smart would have equipped some of their bear bombers similarly long ago instead of starting after the syrian engagement. They have sfw and lgb weapons but not the day long loiter platforms or gmti equipped unmanned hale uav...again spotted in kazan in proto form and pic posted here. Even cheen has deployed wing loong before rus. just like india they totally dropped the ball...atleast india can beg for predator and eitan they have to make it on own.
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this drone project should be handed over to pvt company. With mtcr in place, we can hope for quick results since engine can be imported along with everything else. Just assemble here, pvt companies can have really quick turnaround times with zero tech restrictions.

In news from Syria

Syrian Arab Army sends --

'During the operations on a front that we will disclose later; terrorists launched 22 TOW missiles on Syrian Arab Army tanks and IFVs without a single hit.
All thanks to the Domestically manufactured Sarab-1 Active Protection System (Arabic for "Mirage-1")
More details awaited.
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Syrian army ambushes some terrorists whilst on their daily walking excersise (how rude).

http://english.almanar.com.lb/79583
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One step far from Saudi Barbaria for Egypt. Right after Egypt voted in favor of Russia UNSC resolution on Syria, Aramco cut oil shipment to Egypt, then few days later Egypt decides to leave the coalition of idiots, formed to kill civilians in Yemen, few weeks later Russia and Egypt performs a very large military drill in the Egyptian desert....then Iraq gets into the picture and it is now supplying all ex-Aramco oil needs to Egypt, with the help of Russia-Iran in cutting this deal.

In all this, KSA is getting increasingly isolated is really moving into a very dangerous position of isolation in the Arab world and worldwide, soon its fall will be complete.
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hopefully Russians can supply some verbas to Hezbollah and Kurds

Just like in Afghanistan ......

" Militants in Syria receive US-made anti-aircraft systems – Russian FM spokesman"

https://www.rt.com/news/364459-syria-mi ... s-weapons/
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Structure of one of syrian army's armored formations near damascus after heavy desertions of 2011 and after Russians entered the ring. This is the story of Div 9.

Division 9 is the largest and most important military force for Assad in southern Syria. It houses the only tank division, and has around 4,000 troops within four brigades. However, most of the troops within the division are now non-Syrians: “Without the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and Lebanese Hezbollah the army could not stand up. Seventy percent of the troops in Division 9 are Iranian troops or Lebanese Hezbollah, the rest are shabiha. Only two to three percent are regular Syrian soldiers,” Khaled said. Shabiha is the name for the Alawite paramilitary force known for its brutality and sectarian nature. Khaled described the dynamics between these different fighting elements: “The Iranians and Hezbollah are not under the control of the Syrian Army, the exact opposite.” He described how troops were organised and deployed: “Ten high-ranking Iranian officers control the division, they plan the operations. Only Iranian or Hezbollah forces can access operations rooms, no Syrian soldiers are allowed in." For battles, groups of 50 fighters are deployed: 15 IRGC, 15 Hezbollah, 20 Syrians, the majority of which are shabiha. Within battles the hierarchy is clear: the commander is an Iranian IRGC officer and his deputy will be a Hezbollah officer, according to Khaled.
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^^ points to the severe manpower shortages, desertions by senior officers (fled to europe or joined rebels) , death of senior officers in the early chaos when FSA was rampant and a fall of damascus seemed imminent.

this is not a secret......lack of trained manpower is why for any offensive op, the tiger forces, desert hawks and few repub guard formations are constantly shifted around...and a good unit of repub guard is tied up in deir azzor.

main play now for assad is not raqqa, but
- securing aleppo in entirety with a buffer around it
- getting to deir azzor
- collapsing the hama-idlib emirate perhaps by erdogan double-crossing his flock therein - if he can take jisr al shugour and drive on to aleppo from the west the emirate will collapse slowly being a island
- reaching an agreement with the kurds on their future relations *this is most important* - they would need joint security pact, non-aggression pact and revenue of the oil/gas which lies in their lands....the bird has flown the coop long ago on a unified syria.

in the end, he would end up with only 50% at best of the old syria under his control, but might survive and function as a nation state under iranian and russi protection. relations with the rest 50% run by kurds and various arab warlords in the east would be key - if peace can be established ... to avoid being isolated he needs the key land corridor to shia crescent in Iraq via deir azzor and anbar.

in a properly staffed army, 4000 people is a brigade and 3-4 brigades + addl support elements make up 1 division.

in syria a batallion is more like a company and a brigade more like a batallion. massive attack or column means 50 vehicles and 300 people.

what countries and regimes and alliances emerge from the ruins of syria and iraq after the fall of mosul and raqqa and relief of deir azzor will decide fate of millions there....

^^ rus, usa, euro turds, gcc, turkey, iran, barzani all trying to 'shape' this post-daesh future to their advantage...cheen being economical and pragmatic will trade with anyone and provide the reconstruction services to make $$ :lol:
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hard hitting and direct as usual.
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Al Arabiya EnglishVerified account
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#SaudiArabia ready to join #Raqqa operation: Assiri http://ara.tv/8twk3
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backdrop of the huge sulphur cloud, another big VBIED taken out
https://twitter.com/ARnews1936/status/7 ... 4897590272
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Russian email gets hacked. US says it wasn't involved. :D

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukrain ... ts-n673956

I'm expecting more goodies to be released.

it's fun when more people play this hack game. ya know? :)

somehow I knew this was coming but had to wait in anticipation. 8)
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the kremlin has shifted to using type writers I believe and perhaps trained carrier pigeons.

the above materials are all well known stuff like Rus helping its eastern ethnic ukrainians to fight back etc ... the details might be of some interest to authors but at the broad level it was the test case of Russias new strategy of pushback against NATO and "hybrid war" including the media as well, hence the well funded RT.
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the kremlin has shifted to using type writers I believe and perhaps trained carrier pigeons.

:D
no doubt. if it's on a computer system, it's public. that's just the fact of the matter.

if they don't get it through electrickery, they'll get it through social engineering.
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helms deep v2 starts again...

al masdar
ALEPPO, SYRIA (12:00 P.M.) - The jihadist rebels of Jaysh Al-Fateh (Army of Conquest) have begun their long-awaited offensive to lift the siege on the eastern neighborhoods of Aleppo City.

Launching 3 VBIEDs (vehicle borne improvised explosive device) in the western and southwestern neighborhoods of Aleppo, Jabhat Fateh Al-Sham (formerly Al-Nusra Front) and their allies attempted to infiltrate the Syrian Arab Army's defenses at the Dahiyat Al-Assad, Minyan, and 1070 districts.

Jabhat Fateh Al-Sham claimed control of the Minyan Sawmills and Al-Surah Checkpoint after scoring a direct hit with their suicide attack.


Intense clashes are now taking place at several axes in western Aleppo, as the groups in Jaysh Al-Fateh attempt to lift the two month long siege on the eastern neighborhoods.

At the same time this assault in the west began, another group of jihadist rebels launched a powerful attack in northwestern Aleppo, targeting the Al-Layramoun District and Al-Malaah Farms under the Syrian Arab Army's control - no gains have been reported yet.

More coverage to come...
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Leith Abou Fadel ‏@leithfadel 30m30 minutes ago
5 VBIED attacks now. Jesus, these terrorists are going all in. If they can't lift the siege, they will just kill themselves.
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this is reason why desert hawks were pre positioned in north aleppo malaah farms and laraymoun industrial district area

tiger forces portion are in north hama and portion in 1070-ramouseh belt in south.

each sector has atleast one hardened veteran unit to stiffen the morale of the rest.
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Hassan Ridha ‏@sayed_ridha 15m15 minutes ago
Ahrar's military spokesperson Abo Yusuf al-Muhajir reiterates that the offensive is aimed at breaking Aleppo siege again
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Few days back a school was bombed in Sy and West quickly blamed Ru who have denied any air sorties in that area. It is emerging the school was British funded .

In other news rebels & IS launch counter offensive to break hold of Sy govt in Aleppo. 100s of Grad missiles fired from around Aleppo on govt forces. Soon fighters from inside city to join. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37798924

Isn;t Grad missiles built and sold by Ru? How did they reach rebels? Some open market?
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east euro proxies like bulgaria , romania, czech ... most of arms funded by west for rebels are from such sources... improved grads with 40km vs usual 25km have been supplied.
https://www.rt.com/news/360980-syria-re ... d-rockets/
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fresh and nice grad rockets
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al masdar
ALEPPO, SYRIA (12:05 P.M.) - The Russian Air Force launched several flares over the night-sky in Aleppo on Wednesday, allowing their reconnaissance planes to scope the area for any militants.

A military source told Al-Masdar on Thursday morning that the Russians conducted surveillance flights over southern Aleppo for nearly two hours last night, so that they could land two attack choppers at the Nayrab Military Airport.

The military source added that the Russian Air Force will be restoring the Nayrab Airport in order to help protect Aleppo City from the upcoming jihadist offensive.

Prior to the transfer of attack choppers to southern Aleppo last night, Russian air assets were limited to fighter jets because of this province's distance from their main military base in southwest Latakia.
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Singha wrote:hard hitting and direct as usual.
Great Vladimir Putin quotes.
Also non-repetitive and related completely to the thread.
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TSJones wrote:hooties are being supplied by iran........

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s ... ls-n674181
We need more credible news than the americans after the yellow cake trick pulled by Colin Powell.
Iran might be supplying the houthis but they have been willing to come to table for quite some time. The shock and awe geniuses wouldnt agree.
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mosques in east aleppo cutting loose with AoA moment the attacks started
https://twitter.com/Dalatrm/status/791902141376000000
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