Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 04 Nov 2016 03:03

Perhaps she will have to start as Intern in the Oral Office?

saip · Post by **saip** » 04 Nov 2016 03:09

UlanBatori wrote: Did u HAVE to ruin my peaceful sleep? I would think he has to get swept from office in the tsunami of rage that accompanies realization of the Manchurian candidate. Maybe the Speaker of The House becomes POTUS? Yikes! That is Paul Ryan, hain? So this is ALL A CONSPIRACY BY RYAN!! Q.E.D.

Not so fast. If GOP goes to POTs* then Ruin may not be the speaker. Could be Nancy.

*Party of Trump

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 04 Nov 2016 03:24

Oh, thanks! And Hafeez Seed will be Amby to US.
Can't believe that the fate of the world depends on Pleet Bhalala's work ethic to get those Hereinafters and Party of the Second Parts spelled right by kal 5pm EST.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 04 Nov 2016 03:28

Yes, remember that $10M price on Hafiz Saeed's head? He can redeem it as a "pay to play" gift to the Clinton Foundation. Bag Daddy probably has a coupon too.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 04 Nov 2016 03:44

Just 2 show u that I am not fixated on this election pilection garbage, here is some positive news to warm ur hearts about how the Greatest Nation on Earth conducts bijnej in one of its most hallowed institutions- Wells Fargo, whose symbol is the Pony Express.

Read and learn, children, read and learn.

Why 8? 'Coz 8 is Great!

- President Stumpkopf.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 04 Nov 2016 04:42

Hold Your Nose And Vote For Trump!
By Tarek Fatah, Toronto Sun
POSTED IN FULL

When the first roller coaster opened at Coney Island in Brooklyn, New York in 1884, it was meant to make one’s stomach churn as you went down 600 feet, before rising up to a platform and then returning via another carriage.
The 19th century American inventor of this ride, LaMarcus Adna Thompson, would marvel at some of the thrill-filled roller coaster rides in today’s amusement parks, but he could never have imagined the roller coaster that has become the 2016 U.S. presidential election.Not that dirty campaigns and character issues were unknown in 1884.

In fact, the presidential election held on Nov. 4 of that year that elected New York Democratic Governor Grover Cleveland, was bested by controversy over the character of his Republican opponent, Senator James G. Blaine.
Just as the 2016 election has come down to character and integrity versus policy and programs, in 1884, Republican Blaine fought under the shadow of the “Mulligan letters”.They were discovered by Boston bookkeeper James Mulligan in 1876, showing Blaine had sold his influence in Congress to various businesses.

A week from now we’ll know whether the latest scandal to hit Hillary Clinton -- her amateur hour performance as U.S. secretary of state with classified emails -- was enough to make her stumble in the final mad dash of the marathon presidential election campaign.Added to that are allegations she traded access to the state department in exchange for millions of dollars donated to her Clinton Foundation by Saudi Arabia and other dictatorships.Notwithstanding Clinton’s woes, her opponent, Donald Trump, is no knight in shining armour.A self-confessed lecher with a record of not being able to hold his tongue, Trump may very well sneak in as the next president of the United States.That’s because, as nasty as he is, presidential sexual escapades are not exactly unknown in the White House.(For example, we all know about Marilyn and Monica, whose names are forever linked to two Democratic presidents most Americans admire).

If Trump wins it will be a nightmare for the American political establishment -- in both parties -- who feel they have a God-given entitlement to the corridors of power.Just two weeks ago Trump was considered toast, with down-ticket Republicans distancing themselves from the man whose audio recordings would have sunk even the Titanic.But today, Trump and Clinton are neck-and-neck, mainly because of two odd props in the year-long presidential drama that have sent the 2016 roller coaster into an unknown dark tunnel.They are Clinton’s close, Saudi-raised aide, Huma Abedin, and her now estranged husband, former congressman Anthony Weiner, best known for sending pictures of his private parts to women, as well as allegedly sexting underage girls.
While Republicans were trying to point out the links between Abedin and a Saudi Islamist journal she co-edited for many years, it was her husband’s sexts that led to the discovery of thousands of emails possibly relevant to the Clinton case on a computer he shared with his wife.

It’s outrageous that emails that may have contained classified information could have ended up on the computer of a man who was allegedly luring underage girls for fantasy sex.On Nov. 8, let this roller coaster come to a standstill, America.
Hold your nose and vote for Trump.
Let Hillary play with Bill amid the wealth they collected in the name of charity.

The election of HRC , as other forumites have noted, will be a disaster for India !

Dinesh S · Post by **Dinesh S** » 04 Nov 2016 05:03

Dipanker wrote:Enjoy!

is that the best you got? I for one expect more from the supporters of the soulless genocidal ghoul on why they support the Killary monster which is responsible for misery and death of millions across the world. And no, pointing out that trump wants his wife to be a housewife(his ****ing choice), or his locker room banter(about how big a player he is) isn't going to cut it nor is "alleged" sexual assaults(because: i can allege you assaulted me .ie anybody can allege anything , but it won't make you an assualter and seeing how the soulless ghoul killary operates usually, i wouldnt be surprised if the alleged "assault" victims were paid by the cunt for defamation). I want to see if you people can actually provide any good reasons for voting for the ghoul other than the fact that you are a minority voting for leftists(identity politics ftw). So please give us a good reason. Or don't. That would infact be better. It would be fun to watch the India/Hindu/Hindu society baiters here squirm when they morally grandstand after voting for this ghoul.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 04 Nov 2016 05:20

These things (I didn't even bother to watch) were from decades ago. DT is 71 years old. If the HiCFans have to dig out how he pinched someone's ass when he was 30 years old, hey, they have nothing. It's worse than the FOX News bimbo whining about her boss: "He asked me about my bra!" Er... WHY do u think u were hired? For ur brains?

HKumar · Post by **HKumar** » 04 Nov 2016 05:46

^ Thats explains why you would be Trump supporter.

DT boasting about sexually assaulting when he was 59. If you are ok with sexually assaulting women then you wont have any moral compunctions to vote for him.

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 04 Nov 2016 05:54

Now pay attention to the message and not the messenger.Remember I am not a white person and KKK may not treat me well.Can anyone tell me if this guy is wrong in what he is saying? I think mister Duke is telling the truth.

https://youtu.be/7tgfty2j2ZI

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 04 Nov 2016 05:54

hkji: Give it a rest and kindly refrain from posting infantile trash, this is an adult forum. Some minimal IQ is assumed.

HKumar · Post by **HKumar** » 04 Nov 2016 05:59

Dinesh S wrote: is that the best you got? I for one expect more from the supporters of the soulless genocidal ghoul on why they support the Killary monster which is responsible for misery and death of millions across the world. And no, pointing out that trump wants his wife to be a housewife(his ****ing choice), or his locker room banter(about how big a player he is) isn't going to cut it nor is "alleged" sexual assaults(because: i can allege you assaulted me .ie anybody can allege anything , but it won't make you an assualter and seeing how the soulless ghoul killary operates usually, i wouldnt be surprised if the alleged "assault" victims were paid by the cunt for defamation). I want to see if you people can actually provide any good reasons for voting for the ghoul other than the fact that you are a minority voting for leftists(identity politics ftw). So please give us a good reason. Or don't. That would infact be better. It would be fun to watch the India/Hindu/Hindu society baiters here squirm when they morally grandstand after voting for this ghoul.

Have you ever read The Geeta or Ramanyana or any book on Sanatana Dhrama ? Do you know what it says about women ? Please try to follow Sanatana Dharma before attempting to protect it.
You want to vote for Trump , do so but please don't call women "cunt" or justify sexual assault.

edited: to fit etiquette.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 04 Nov 2016 06:02

And that's the next thing: It is bloody irritating when postors keep copying the whole bloody post from someone else in order to add a 2-line piece of asinine garbage. We can go and see the image ourselves, no need to waste so much bandwidth, thanks very much. As an "oldtimer" you should have figured out these basic items of etiquette b4 coming here to preach to us.

And no, I ain't read no "Ramanyana" nor any "Santana Dhrama" nor plan to. You think the ISIS and the Free Syrian Army and the Al Nusra, all funded by Clinton and Humedin and their State Department Gang, are what you call Protectors and Respectors of Women? That is beyond sick.

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 04 Nov 2016 06:13

LoL @ "Have you read .....". I have read one book about it written by a mongolian thinker.

It's fun to see ppl argue with someone whom they know nothing about nor have a clue about what the conversation really is.

HKumar · Post by **HKumar** » 04 Nov 2016 06:14

snahata wrote:Now pay attention to the message and not the messenger.Remember I am not a white person and KKK may not treat me well.Can anyone tell me if this guy is wrong in what he is saying? I think mister Duke is telling the truth.

https://youtu.be/7tgfty2j2ZI

You want to know whats wrong with Duke say'n "Jews make blacks hate whites" ? do you now, boy?

Da you know what they do to brown nosers like you - the same thing they do to blacks. a tighty noose around that pretty brown neck of yours.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 04 Nov 2016 06:18

PCness Uber Alles!
Harvard Suspends Entire Soccer Team
Meanwhile, their Men's ballet and ice dancing teams are winning awards for politeness and correctness in thought and speech.

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 04 Nov 2016 06:20

But what about this:

HKumar · Post by **HKumar** » 04 Nov 2016 06:21

UlanBatori wrote:And that's the next thing: It is bloody irritating when postors keep copying the whole bloody post from someone else in order to add a 2-line piece of asinine garbage. We can go and see the image ourselves, no need to waste so much bandwidth, thanks very much. As an "oldtimer" you should have figured out these basic items of etiquette b4 coming here to preach to us.

And no, I ain't read no "Ramanyana" nor any "Santana Dhrama" nor plan to. You think the ISIS and the Free Syrian Army and the Al Nusra, all funded by Clinton and Humedin and their State Department Gang, are what you call Protectors and Respectors of Women? That is beyond sick.

where I stand, even with the typos and my etiquette failure, I can't understand why you need to justify sexual assault ?

ISIS was funded by women Clinton and Huma and US. Really now?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 04 Nov 2016 06:24

^^^ Please read the Syria and Iraq threads - for the past 4 years - and try not to be so dense. We really don't have time or patience to read it all out to you.

Here's is Eric Trump's quote:

"A guy like David Duke is disgusting," he said. "But this is the MO of the DNC and in fact, we go back to the Podesta emails from May/June, there's an email where he's saying listen, 'We think Trump has an amazing movement going and we want to make him, the only way we think we can best stop is to make him look like a bigot, racist, xenophobic, this and that.'"

HKumar · Post by **HKumar** » 04 Nov 2016 06:26

MurthyB wrote:But what about this:

Thats good Eric did that. But guess what Daddy Trump does - he retweets white supremacists. stuff that not even true.

https://thinkprogress.org/3-white-supre ... .5erlhaev7

I guess they are like Congress - everybody talks in different tone to cater to their vote banks

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 04 Nov 2016 06:33

you guys are having oodles of fun with this election aren't you?

trust me, it's not worth it.

cubs won. heck with the election.

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 04 Nov 2016 06:35

Hkumar u have mush for brain. U should be banned forthwith

Rammpal · Post by **Rammpal** » 04 Nov 2016 06:40

[quote="HKumar"
Have you ever read The Geeta or Ramanyana or any book on Sanatana Dhrama ? Do you know what it says about women ? Please try to follow Sanatana Dharma before attempting to protect it.
You want to vote for Trump , do so but please don't call women "cunt" or justify sexual assault.

edited: to fit etiquette.[/quote]

No disrespect intended, but, this made me laugh !

"... don't call women....." ?

No he didn't !
Only two of them were called that, and you're saying that's not justified, even within context.

Btw, the bit that made me laugh is that Geeta, Ramayana and books on Sanatana dharma, shield that you needed to wield for a pathetically trivial exchange

And the damn thing is, there's absolutely no connection whatsoever between the two

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 04 Nov 2016 06:42

HKumar wrote: Have you ever read The Geeta or Ramanyana or any book on Sanatana Dhrama ? Do you know what it says about women ? Please try to follow Sanatana Dharma before attempting to protect it.
You want to vote for Trump , do so but please don't call women "cunt" or justify sexual assault.

edited: to fit etiquette.

Now I'm really curious. Do tell what the Geeta "has to say on women?" Please quote chapter and verse, so I can look it up. Because I haven't come across any such wisdom on the status of women in whatever I've read of the Geeta.

HKumar · Post by **HKumar** » 04 Nov 2016 06:44

snahata wrote:Hkumar u have mush for brain. U should be banned forthwith

believe me, I will still sleep happy with the thought that - I am not one asking "what is wrong with what KKK is saying ?".

seriously man - do you have any idea of the South or KKK or mason-dixen line ?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Nov 2016 06:46

wiki has dumped a huge cache of #4 Podesta emails. its very bad stuff.
Don't get ruffled and get banned here.
ramana

HKumar · Post by **HKumar** » 04 Nov 2016 06:48

sudarshan wrote:
HKumar wrote: Have you ever read The Geeta or Ramanyana or any book on Sanatana Dhrama ? Do you know what it says about women ? Please try to follow Sanatana Dharma before attempting to protect it.
You want to vote for Trump , do so but please don't call women "cunt" or justify sexual assault.

edited: to fit etiquette.
Now I'm really curious. Do tell what the Geeta "has to say on women?" Please quote chapter and verse, so I can look it up. Because I haven't come across any such wisdom on the status of women in whatever I've read of the Geeta.

are you trying to test me or you have no idea about Sanatana Dharma ? If its testing me - I think you are missing the woods for the tree.

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 04 Nov 2016 06:53

I had promised myself not to wade into any US election "debate", but I guess I break promises

so here goes:

Clinton is the wife of an el-bresidente who had an "intern" carousel under his oval ophice desk. The stories and the evidence is overwhelming, but Hillary never left him. Imagine that: Billy had his fingers in almost every intern that stopped by the oval ophice and innumerable other women obviously corrupting their marriage vows. But more than corrupting the Clinton's marriage vows, how many of those women were "forced" I wonder. I am sure there must be a few and I am sure there must be a few of those that the Mrs. Clinton knows as well.

What would you call a person who still seems to be completely ok with such a behavior from her significant other. Would she be someone who really cares about women and respecting them?

Over and out.

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 04 Nov 2016 07:02

HKumar wrote: are you trying to test me or you have no idea about Sanatana Dharma ? If its testing me - I think you are missing the woods for the tree.

Lol. But you miss the entire deep dark woods of NGO-promotion, double-dealing with every other country on the planet, mishandling classified info (which implies treason to one's own country), and a whole host of other issues, and fixate on the one tree of "treatment of women," which BTW applies equally to Hillary and her team. Very funny.

I don't have a clue about this election, been keeping my mouth shut so far, just found it funny when you started throwing "Geeta and Ramayana" around in such a silly context. Well, back to lurk.

TSJ is right, methinks. This election is being taken way too seriously. From India's POV, the result is foregone - an enemy of India will be at the helm of the USA regardless. We'll just have to work with that.

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 04 Nov 2016 07:04

In any case, personalities aside, we have no idea what Trump will do. But since #hindus4trump is a visible non-white group that has supported him, hopefully some yindoos (and these are not leftist yindoos) can have access to his ear if he wins. Plus Namo is likely to get along well with him given the common high levels of hatred they have faced on their path to power, unlike the cabal of feminazis that will be Hillary's circle, all fed with ample propagandu about Namo abandoning his wife, not to speak of potential projecting Hillary/Huma will do of their own creepy husbands onto other men. Finally, everyone blindly voting for the demos ensures that demos take you for granted while listening to the breaking india forces, and the others ignore you since you don't vote for them. If Trump gets more than the 7% bandied about, say 30 or even 40% of the yindoo vote, that would put us in play. Can't see how that hurts anyone.

Dinesh S · Post by **Dinesh S** » 04 Nov 2016 07:28

HKumar wrote:
Dinesh S wrote: is that the best you got? I for one expect more from the supporters of the soulless genocidal ghoul on why they support the Killary monster which is responsible for misery and death of millions across the world. And no, pointing out that trump wants his wife to be a housewife(his ****ing choice), or his locker room banter(about how big a player he is) isn't going to cut it nor is "alleged" sexual assaults(because: i can allege you assaulted me .ie anybody can allege anything , but it won't make you an assualter and seeing how the soulless ghoul killary operates usually, i wouldnt be surprised if the alleged "assault" victims were paid by the cunt for defamation). I want to see if you people can actually provide any good reasons for voting for the ghoul other than the fact that you are a minority voting for leftists(identity politics ftw). So please give us a good reason. Or don't. That would infact be better. It would be fun to watch the India/Hindu/Hindu society baiters here squirm when they morally grandstand after voting for this ghoul.

Have you ever read The Geeta or Ramanyana or any book on Sanatana Dhrama ? Do you know what it says about women ? Please try to follow Sanatana Dharma before attempting to protect it.
You want to vote for Trump , do so but please don't call women "cunt" or justify sexual assault.

edited: to fit etiquette.

Pathetic. Hillary was seen on record boasting how she helped a rapist escape persecution with full knowledge that he was a rapist . She is also accused of intimidating rape victims of bill Clinton into silence and given the evidences seen so far about her actions and behavior, i don't doubt any of those accusations. And this is the ghoul you are going to work for her.

So please save me your moral bull shit. You guys frankly disgust me when you make these pathetic excuses for the soulless ghoul , assuming us to be rahul babas with single digit IQ. Just admit that you are going to vote for her as you are a minority in USA and be done with it . I am not against identity politics as i already said-only against hypocritical dbags.

And no, nothing justifies the election of a mass murdering ghoul like killary. She has millions of death and misery on her hands from her direct actions in middle east.

Once again, I am not rahul Baba with single digit iq to be conned with this moral crap. Vote for the ghoul as it is your right. Can someone fault a rat for not voting in a cat as it's president? Of course not, it is the way nature works. but dont insult my intelligence with this bullshit- that you are going to vote for this soulless ghoul because of moral reasons

.

Oh man its going to be so much fun to watch the India /hindu/lower caste baiting crowd which talks/whines so much about UP /Bihar caste election and identity politics after this US election

HKumar · Post by **HKumar** » 04 Nov 2016 07:42

sudarshan wrote:
HKumar wrote: are you trying to test me or you have no idea about Sanatana Dharma ? If its testing me - I think you are missing the woods for the tree.
Lol. But you miss the entire deep dark woods of NGO-promotion, double-dealing with every other country on the planet, mishandling classified info (which implies treason to one's own country), and a whole host of other issues, and fixate on the one tree of "treatment of women," which BTW applies equally to Hillary and her team. Very funny.

I don't have a clue about this election, been keeping my mouth shut so far, just found it funny when you started throwing "Geeta and Ramayana" around in such a silly context. Well, back to lurk.

TSJ is right, methinks. This election is being taken way too seriously. From India's POV, the result is foregone - an enemy of India will be at the helm of the USA regardless. We'll just have to work with that.

sudarshan - This is a "understanding the USA" thread. I am offering my perspective as a person who has been here in USA for more than 2 decades and lived in deep south. I have no problem with either party but I do draw a line when reasoning has to do with racial /sexist reasons. If you find my opinions funny, that alright with me but I am still entitled to offer my perspective, arn't I ?

Its interesting how many Indians view US as an enemy even now.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 04 Nov 2016 07:47

HKumar wrote:Its interesting how many Indians view US as an enemy even now.

You are confusing (or deliberately misrepresenting) wariness and caution as enmity. India and Indians have plenty of reasons to be watchful and sceptical of the US and bless their souls, POTUS, GOTUS, USSD, USDoS, Bush, Obama, Bilary and Trump have given us plenty of reasons to be wary about your country.

Dinesh S · Post by **Dinesh S** » 04 Nov 2016 08:07

HKumar wrote:
sudarshan wrote:
Lol. But you miss the entire deep dark woods of NGO-promotion, double-dealing with every other country on the planet, mishandling classified info (which implies treason to one's own country), and a whole host of other issues, and fixate on the one tree of "treatment of women," which BTW applies equally to Hillary and her team. Very funny.

I don't have a clue about this election, been keeping my mouth shut so far, just found it funny when you started throwing "Geeta and Ramayana" around in such a silly context. Well, back to lurk.

TSJ is right, methinks. This election is being taken way too seriously. From India's POV, the result is foregone - an enemy of India will be at the helm of the USA regardless. We'll just have to work with that.

Its interesting how many Indians view US as an enemy even now.

Who do you think funds the NGO/missionary/commie cabal of india ? Where do they send their sons/daughters to? Who do you think provides the ideological basis for breaking india forces?

And do we really have any friends or allies? In fact even israel cannot be called our "ally"/"friend" nor can the Jews. Almost all the anti western Indology works have Jewish hand(wendy to bollock) for instance. IMO ,this is a civilisational war between us(polytheists) and them(monotheists) on the level of our conflict with Pakis. Anyone who thinks otherwise is naive. I for one would prefer someone who is open and honest about their intention than double dealing snakes like the clintons.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 04 Nov 2016 08:08

I wonder what Sanatan Dharma was Bill Clinton following when having his sexscapades and what Sanatan Dharma was Hillary following when she abused those women as c**nts and wh*res? Perhaps HKumar in his enlightened state can enlighten the rest of the forum.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 04 Nov 2016 08:13

Kashi wrote:
HKumar wrote:Its interesting how many Indians view US as an enemy even now.
You are confusing (or deliberately misrepresenting) wariness and caution as enmity. India and Indians have plenty of reasons to be watchful and sceptical of the US and bless their souls, POTUS, GOTUS, USSD, USDoS, Bush, Obama, Bilary and Trump have given us plenty of reasons to be wary about your country.

There is undoubted enmity from the US deep state and that just cannot be wished away. Intimately and inextricably bundled with the deep state is the insidious agenda of the religious fundamentalism which has to sink its tentacles into India to propagate and survive and it will therefore actively undermine the Indian state.

with the mafia queen and the leftist lutyens cabal controlling the narrative, the amreki deep state was sailing well under the radar. This is the first time that they have been openly challenged. Even ABV and LKA did not have the cojones to do this.

bengal and the "dravidian" state are in the center of their bulls eye

habal · Post by **habal** » 04 Nov 2016 08:15

HKumar, maybe this latest from wikileaks explains 'who armed ISIS' ?

Ans. Hillary Clinton (as per wikileaks)

http://www.usapoliticalnews.com/breakin ... is-right2/

According to Assange, Hillary Clinton actually personally pushed weapons into the hands of ISIS!

“Weapons flows, going over to Syria, being pushed by Hillary Clinton, into jihadists within Syria, including ISIS, that’s there in those emails,” Julian Assange.

However, the reason she will be jailed is not the weapons alone, but ,instead, for a 2013 interview she gave on Benghazi.

Senator Paul asked Hillary Clinton if the huge weapons depot that we kept in Benghazi had been shipping weapons to Libya as well as other countries in the region.

Of course, Secretary Clinton was ready with lie-after-lie about not understanding the question and saying only the CIA knows for sure.

But wait! Hillary Clinton actually discusses shipping the weapons from Benghazi to ISIS in her emails.

So what was her crime exactly?

LYING UNDER OATH!

This comes with a 5-year prison sentence, something that someone in Clinton’s condition will not be able to survive.

Rammpal · Post by **Rammpal** » 04 Nov 2016 08:16

Dinesh S wrote: I for one would prefer someone who is open and honest about their intention than double dealing snakes like the clintons.

Raj-needhi is a concept in its own right, and in there, such 'open and honest' entity is as strange or non-existent as immaculate Conception.
i.e.: every time an idiot, any non-sanatana dharmic idiot, challenges us for so-called proof on aspects of our system, eff them back with I-C BS !

Rammpal · Post by **Rammpal** » 04 Nov 2016 08:19

chetak wrote:
bengal and the "dravidian" state are in the center of their bulls eye

Why dravidian states, i.e.: what's the big deal ?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 04 Nov 2016 08:20

Rammpal wrote:
chetak wrote:
bengal and the "dravidian" state are in the center of their bulls eye
Why dravidian states, i.e.: what's the big deal ?

google bishop caldwell and proceed from there