Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III

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Rudradev wrote:
Dipanker wrote: After all she is 1/2 Indian too.
Accurate as ever. Huma Abedin was born in Kalamazoo, Michigan. Her father was born in pre-partition India (1928) and her mother was born in Pakistan.

Right her father born in British India (now India) isn't Indian but her mother also born in British India (and now Pak) is Pakistani.
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HKumar wrote: Preet Bharara is an US attorney in charge for south - NY . not an aide
I will be honest - I had to look up Uzra. but no idea what your problem is... anyway she is a diplomat

How did they hurt hindus ?

Actually Uzra Zeya has 100% Indian ancestry unlike Huma who has only 1/2. But they are Americans and working for American govt. they will serve the interest of American govt. first.
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Here is a brief rundown of what the Abedins were about
“By placing women in the ‘care and protection’ of men and by making women responsible for those under her charge,” she argued, “Islamic values generate a sense of compassion in human and family relations.”

“Among all systems of belief, Islam goes the farthest in restoring equality across gender,” she claimed. “Acknowledging the very central role women play in procreation, child-raising and homemaking, Islam places the economic responsibility of supporting the family primarily on the male members.”
“A conjugal family established through a marriage contract between a man and a woman, and extended through procreation is the only definition of family a Muslim can accept,” the author, a Saudi official with the Muslim World League, asserted, while warning of “the dangers of alternative lifestyles.” (Abedin’s journal was founded and funded by the former head of the Muslim World League.)
Until now, these articles which Abedin helped edit and publish have remained under wraps. Perhaps Clinton was unaware she and her mother took such opposing views.

But that’s hard to believe. Her closest adviser served as an editor for that same Saudi propaganda organ for a dozen years. The same one that in 1999 published a book, edited by her mother, that justifies the barbaric practice of female genital mutilation under Islamic law, while claiming “man-made laws have in fact enslaved women.”
Now of course, some of these are "conservative" principles as well, which makes the whole progressive facade a sham. As far as India, I am sure she is an "idea of India" supporter if at all, since being deeply influenced by Saudi wahabi Islam and a Pakistani mother, that would be quite an achievement if it were true. Then at least she would be in the sagaraika ghosh sort of club which is apparently enough for some.
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HKumar wrote:
Right her father born in British India (now India) isn't Indian but her mother also born in British India (and now Pak) is Pakistani.
Source please? Every public-domain citation describes Saleha Mahmood Abedin as having been born "in Pakistan". To most literate folks that would imply Pakistan existed before she was born there.
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HKumar wrote:
How did they hurt hindus ?
Why not look at India-US relations threads on BRF archived from the time of the Devyani Khobragade episode? I'll even give you a time frame to narrow your search... it happened around December 2013.
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Rudradev wrote:
HKumar wrote:
Right her father born in British India (now India) isn't Indian but her mother also born in British India (and now Pak) is Pakistani.
Source please? Every public-domain citation describes Saleha Mahmood Abedin as having been born "in Pakistan". To most literate folks that would imply Pakistan existed before she was born there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huma_Abedin
Both of her parents were educators. Her father, born in New Delhi, British India on April 2, 1928,[10] was an Islamic and Middle Eastern scholar of Indian descent, who received his Ph.D. from the University of Pennsylvania, and then in 1978 founded the Institute of Muslim Minority Affairs, an organization devoted to the study of Muslim communities in non-Muslim societies around the world. In 1979 he founded the Journal of Muslim Minority Affairs,[11] which his wife took over after his death; his daughter Huma was listed as an associate editor from 1996–2008. Her mother, born in British India (now Pakistan after the 1947 British Partition), also received her Ph.D. from the University of Pennsylvania, and is currently an associate professor of sociology and dean at Dar Al-Hekma College in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.[4][12]

Now can you point to source that say the father born in British India isn't of Indian descent ?
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:lol: why would I point to a source to confirm something you said, and I didn't?
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Rudradev wrote:
HKumar wrote:
How did they hurt hindus ?
Why not look at India-US relations threads on BRF archived from the time of the Devyani Khobragade episode? I'll even give you a time frame to narrow your search... it happened around December 2013.

Rudradev ji - you will have try harder than that to convince me that they targeted her for being hindu.

damaged US-India relationship - Yes. Hindu - a bit of a stretch. Devyani isn't a heroine in that story but the US did behave very inappropriately.
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Rudradev wrote::lol: why would I point to a source to confirm something you said, and I didn't?
you did say this , no , ji ?
Rudradev wrote: I don't know how this makes her 1/n Indian.
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HKumar ji, I can't wake someone who only pretends to be sleeping, and don't intend to waste my time trying.

If you don't think the role of the Evangelist NGO Safe Horizons in driving the US State Dept's initiation of proceedings against Khobragade; the fact that the Khobragades' maid (and her family, illegally spirited away from India) belonged to a certain non-Hindu religion; the involvement of known Khalistani organizations in facilitating the maid's contact with Safe Horizons; or the vast spate of anti-Hindu invective and atrocity-literature alleging "Indian Human Trafficking"/" Hindu Mistreatment of Religious Minorities in India" that pervaded US media discussion of the incident for months were anti-Hindu, I've nothing to add.
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HKumar wrote:
Rudradev wrote::lol: why would I point to a source to confirm something you said, and I didn't?
you did say this , no , ji ?
Rudradev wrote: I don't know how this makes her 1/n Indian.
Quite right. A US citizen by birth isn't half (or 1/n) a citizen of any other country. Still confused?
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Rudradev wrote:
Dipanker wrote: After all she is 1/2 Indian too.
Accurate as ever. Huma Abedin was born in Kalamazoo, Michigan. Her father was born in pre-partition India (1928) and her mother was born in Pakistan. Both parents lived in Saudi Arabia from 1978 onwards. I don't know how this makes her 1/n Indian.

Her style has always been to slither under the radar, and so no, there are no policies of any kind that are directly attributable to her per the public record (undoubtedly, when the emails are made public, that will change). For now there is only hearsay and conjecture.

For example, she was one of Killary's key aides in the '90s, and a key operative in organizing wealthy Paki and Paki-American funding of the Clinton Foundation. When Bill Clinton visited India in 2000, after the Kargil war (and after ordering cruise missile strikes on Al-Qaeda camps in Pakistan after the Kenya and Tanzania embassy bombings), he initially planned only to visit New Delhi. At the very last minute, his plans changed; he was compelled by unknown agencies to do an H&D-saving, equal-equal stopover in Islamabad. This went against his initial intentions to isolate and ignore Pervez Musharraf, whose seizure of power in the 1999 coup he had roundly condemned. There has been speculation that Paki sponsors of the CF, operating via the Huma connection, had everything to do with this volte-face.

During the visit to Islamabad, the Pakis tried to claim that the Chittisinghpora massacre of 36 Sikhs in J&K by Lashkar-e-Taiba (timed to coincide with Clinton's trip to Delhi) was proof that Hindu extremists in India carry out violent acts of terrorism against minorities. He told the Pakis to shove it, and brusquely warned them about adventurism (as in Kargil) or support of terrorists like OBL. Years later, another volte-face: in the introduction to Madeline Albrights book, which he wrote, Bill Clinton described the Chittisinghpora massacre as having been the work of "extremist Hindus". From rejecting the Paki line on this incident to their faces while in Islamabad, he revised his opinion to exact adherence with it. What could explain that?
So basically so far we do not have any direct example of Huma Abedin being instrumental in anti-India policies/decisions of US govt. Yet we want to be on her wrong side?

The last part about Clinton introduction is complete BS, here is what he actually wrote about the incidence in the introduction:
During my visit to India in 2000, some militants decided
to vent their outrage by murdering thirty-eight Sikhs in
cold blood. If I hadn't made the trip, the victims would prob-
ably still be alive. If I hadn't made the trip because I feared
what religious extremists might do, I couldn't have done my
job as president of the United States. The nature of America
is such that many people define themselves — or a part of
themselves — in relation to it, for or against. This is part of
the reality in which our leaders must operate.
You can read the whole introduction and the book if you like:
https://archive.org/stream/mightyalmie0 ... r_djvu.txt
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One would have to ask those 'in-the-know' in the Indian establishment about the realities of specific SDOTUS malice. Nothing about Humbedin makes sense EXCEPT when viewed through the Saudi-Paki lens. The email thing, the more one hears about it, the more it appears to be very deliberate espionage/insider trading to benefit Pakistan (read about the Classified Memo about Pakistan that she casually sent to wienie's laptop) and the Al Qaeda/Saudis in general. For the rest she operates under the radar. Apparently much-liked by the HiC insider gang, gained HiC's complete trust to the point where she has been running most of her daily routine. The ultimate Manchurian Candidate / Sleeper (no pun intended) for the Ummah - she's not stood for any public elective office. How did she become Asst. SoS or whatever without COTUS hearings? Were the elephants that easily fooled?
Added later: Ah, SO!!! Humbedin's parents are BOTH BRITISH!! No wonder!! :mrgreen:
This is all just standard pakiness. There are enough posts in THIS thread that point to the nature of her Uppa's associations with terrorist organizations (I mean organizations on the SDOTUS' own terrorist list) for these pretendedly 404 postors to go read instead of :(( for constant guidance. Basic reading skills should be assumed, hain?
I cannot understand how she got past COTUS hearings if any - that would be worth digging into. Also, did she take Basic Document Handling 101 at the SDOTUS?
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Rudradev wrote:
HKumar wrote:
you did say this , no , ji ?
Quite right. A US citizen by birth isn't half (or 1/n) a citizen of any other country. Still confused?
Aren't you nitpicking?
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The last part about Clinton introduction is complete BS, here is what he actually wrote about the incidence in the introduction:

During my visit to India in 2000, some militants decided
to vent their outrage by murdering thirty-eight Sikhs in
cold blood. If I hadn't made the trip, the victims would prob-
ably still be alive. If I hadn't made the trip because I feared
what religious extremists might do, I couldn't have done my
job as president of the United States. The nature of America
is such that many people define themselves — or a part of
themselves — in relation to it, for or against. This is part of
the reality in which our leaders must operate.

You're right, that is complete BS. What it doesn't say speaks volumes. "Some militants" deciding to "vent their outrage" during his visit to India. Wait, no... "religious extremists". Not a word about Pakistan or the Lashkar-e-Taiba; meanwhile, the religious identity of the victims is explicitly mentioned. Leaves everything to the imagination of well-informed liberal Democrats who would read this drivel, certainly.

I'll admit I was wrong in one particular detail. He didn't mention "extremist Hindus", possibly for fear of libel, but did everything else to spin the incident in exactly the way Hillary's Paki sponsors, courtesy Huma Abedin, would have wanted.
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Dipanker wrote:
Rudradev wrote:
Quite right. A US citizen by birth isn't half (or 1/n) a citizen of any other country. Still confused?
Aren't you nitpicking?
No, I'm refusing to cite sources to the effect that Huma Abedin's father, born in British India, is not of Indian descent... that claim was made by HKumar, and he should support it himself.
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Rudradev wrote:
The last part about Clinton introduction is complete BS, here is what he actually wrote about the incidence in the introduction:

During my visit to India in 2000, some militants decided
to vent their outrage by murdering thirty-eight Sikhs in
cold blood. If I hadn't made the trip, the victims would prob-
ably still be alive. If I hadn't made the trip because I feared
what religious extremists might do, I couldn't have done my
job as president of the United States. The nature of America
is such that many people define themselves — or a part of
themselves — in relation to it, for or against. This is part of
the reality in which our leaders must operate.

You're right, that is complete BS. What it doesn't say speaks volumes. "Some militants" deciding to "vent their outrage" during his visit to India. Wait, no... "religious extremists". Not a word about Pakistan or the Lashkar-e-Taiba; meanwhile, the religious identity of the victims is explicitly mentioned. Leaves everything to the imagination of well-informed liberal Democrats who would read this drivel, certainly.

I'll admit I was wrong in one particular detail. He didn't mention "extremist Hindus", possibly for fear of libel, but did everything else to spin the incident in exactly the way Hillary's Paki sponsors, courtesy Huma Abedin, would have wanted.
"Hindu militants deciding to vent their outrage against Sikhs" is wrong conclusion to draw,
read the next para of the introduction, preferably the whole introduction, context here is Islam, not Hinduism.
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Aha! She never went through Congressional confirmation hearings: she slid under the radar as HiC's version of Gungi Dan

Apologies for the length of this post.

From Wikipedia:
Huma Abedin, Clinton's longtime personal assistant, was Deputy Chief of Staff for the secretary and remained a key member of Clinton's operation.[32][35]
Ref. 32: "Huma Abedin, Clinton’s traveling chief of staff and “body woman” on the presidential campaign, will also continue to play a senior advising role at State, sources say.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2009/02/c ... z4P57ipgvt
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Ref. 35: doesn't say anything directly about Humbedin:
Laura Rozen accompanied Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on an eventful eight-day trip to Pakistan, the Mideast and North Africa. Here are five things she learned from the trip:

1. Running for president was good training to be secretary of state.
Yes, Hillary Clinton has a large cabin in the front of her plane — with a bed in which she could sleep on the long flight from Shannon, Ireland, to Islamabad — and a staff of many to prep, brief, tend to and coif her. But the sheer pace of high-impact public events and behind-closed-door meetings was remarkable, not least for a woman who just turned 62. The totals: eight days, five countries and more than 50 events,
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2009/11/f ... z4P58D2avo
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So the Manchurian Candidate slithered right up to the top of the SDOTUS with **NO** Congressional vetting - and is not headed to be the new SoS.

What is her qualification other than being nanny for HiC? Read 4 urself. She simply continued her Intern job!!! NOTE that this was her Saudi-based Pakistani Mom's advice.
Over the years Huma has served in several positions, with increasingly important-sounding titles. She has been Hillary’s “body woman,” her traveling chief of staff, a senior adviser, and a deputy chief of staff when Hillary was secretary of state. Now, based in Brooklyn, she is the vice-chair of Hillary’s 2016 presidential campaign. But whatever the title, the job she performs for Hillary has always been essentially the same: confessor, confidante, and constant companion. It’s safe to say that over the years Abedin and Hillary have spent more time together than either has with her husband.

A former adviser to Bill Clinton describes her as “a mini Hillary.” Wherever Hillary goes, Abedin goes. In November 2008, when Hillary flew to Chicago to meet with President-Elect Barack Obama to discuss becoming secretary of state, she took Huma along. During Hillary’s grueling, nearly 11-hour congressional testimony in October about Benghazi, Abedin was there. She has been referred to as a “second daughter” to the Clintons. Others have described Hillary and Huma as like sisters.

Whoever wants to curry favor with Hillary has to go through Abedin, as thousands of recently released e-mails make abundantly clear. For the quotidian matters of the schedule, she speaks for Hillary, and people adept at getting access to Hillary know it. “Everybody fights to be at the center,” the former adviser says, “and Huma controls a lot of that dynamic.”

“I’m not sure Hillary could walk out the door without Huma,” Clinton adviser Mandy Grunwald told Vogue’s Rebecca Johnson eight years ago. “She’s a little like Radar on *M*A*S*H. If the air-conditioning is too cold, Huma is there with the shawl. She’s always thinking three steps ahead of Hillary.” It’s still true today. Nothing Hillary-related is too big or too small for Abedin’s purview. Take, for example, the secretary of state’s December 2009 struggle to get a faxed document:

Abedin: Can you hang up the fax line? They will call again and try fax.

Clinton: I thought it was supposed to be off hook to work?

Abedin: Yes, but hang up one more time. So they can reestablish the line.

Clinton: I did.

Abedin: Just pick up phone and hang it up. And leave it hung up.

Clinton: I’ve done it twice now. Still nothing.

In January 2013, Abedin was concerned that Clinton might miss an early-morning call from Manmohan Singh, the prime minister of India. Abedin discussed the call with Monica Hanley, another Clinton aide.

Abedin: Have you been going over her calls with her? So she knows [S]ingh is at 8?

Hanley: She was in bed for a nap by the time I heard that she had an 8am call. Will go over with her.

Abedin: Very imp[ortant] to do that. She’s often confused.

In her new position as vice-chair of Hillary’s campaign, Huma has even taken to being a stand-in for her boss at campaign-related events. In October, she and Vogue’s Anna Wintour were off to Paris together for a $1,000-a-person fund-raiser at the home of James Cook, an American businessman.

But, for all her proximity to the white-hot center of American politics, Abedin is every bit as unknown to the general public as her boss is world-famous.

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Is Huma Abedin Hillary Clinton’s Secret Weapon or Her Next Big Problem?
The loyal aide has spent decades at the presidential contender’s side with unparalleled access. But with a powerful Republican senator raising questions about her role in the Clinton-era State Department, Abedin finds herself the latest victim of the Stop Hillary movement.
by

William D. Cohan

January 6, 2016 8:00 am
Huma Abedin, about to testify in a closed hearing of the House Select Committee on Benghazi, on Capitol Hill, October 16, 2015.
By Jacquelyn Martin/A.P. Images.

Faced with an unending scandal about her use of a private e-mail server when she was secretary of state, Hillary Rodham Clinton decided last September to “reset” her presidential campaign. As Amy Chozick wrote in the New York Times, the new Hillary would display her “humor” and her “heart,” the qualities that her friends say rarely come across in public appearances.

The reset reached its zenith on October 3 when Hillary appeared on Saturday Night Live as “Val,” a bartender to whom Kate McKinnon, as Hillary Clinton, pours her heart out. The six-minute segment ends with “Hillary” and “Val” bonding as they sing “Stand by Me,” the Ben E. King classic. “Hillary” gets so carried away with her manic crooning that she doesn’t realize “Val” has disappeared and been replaced by cast member Cecily Strong, playing a character known as “Huma.” “I was just hanging out with my best friend Val,” Hillary says. Huma tells Hillary there is no one there. “I think you’ve had one too many, Hillary, let’s go,” Huma says.

Huma, as anyone who follows politics knows, is 40-year-old Huma Abedin, Hillary Clinton’s “shadow,” as Politico once described her. She began working for Hillary in 1996, when she was a 19-year-old intern fresh from George Washington University assigned to the First Lady’s office. Abedin had wanted to be a journalist like her hero Christiane Amanpour and was hoping to work in the White House press office. “Take a chance,” her mother told her. “Don’t fall in love with Plan A.” Huma took the advice. “Sixteen years later, I wouldn’t change a thing,” she told a dinner audience in 2012, at a Fortune conference. “And I got to meet Christiane Amanpour.”

Over the years Huma has served in several positions, with increasingly important-sounding titles. She has been Hillary’s “body woman,” her traveling chief of staff, a senior adviser, and a deputy chief of staff when Hillary was secretary of state. Now, based in Brooklyn, she is the vice-chair of Hillary’s 2016 presidential campaign. But whatever the title, the job she performs for Hillary has always been essentially the same: confessor, confidante, and constant companion. It’s safe to say that over the years Abedin and Hillary have spent more time together than either has with her husband.

A former adviser to Bill Clinton describes her as “a mini Hillary.” Wherever Hillary goes, Abedin goes. In November 2008, when Hillary flew to Chicago to meet with President-Elect Barack Obama to discuss becoming secretary of state, she took Huma along. During Hillary’s grueling, nearly 11-hour congressional testimony in October about Benghazi, Abedin was there. She has been referred to as a “second daughter” to the Clintons. Others have described Hillary and Huma as like sisters.
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Whoever wants to curry favor with Hillary has to go through Abedin, as thousands of recently released e-mails make abundantly clear. For the quotidian matters of the schedule, she speaks for Hillary, and people adept at getting access to Hillary know it. “Everybody fights to be at the center,” the former adviser says, “and Huma controls a lot of that dynamic.”

“I’m not sure Hillary could walk out the door without Huma,” Clinton adviser Mandy Grunwald told Vogue’s Rebecca Johnson eight years ago. “She’s a little like Radar on *M*A*S*H. If the air-conditioning is too cold, Huma is there with the shawl. She’s always thinking three steps ahead of Hillary.” It’s still true today. Nothing Hillary-related is too big or too small for Abedin’s purview. Take, for example, the secretary of state’s December 2009 struggle to get a faxed document:

Abedin: Can you hang up the fax line? They will call again and try fax.

Clinton: I thought it was supposed to be off hook to work?

Abedin: Yes, but hang up one more time. So they can reestablish the line.

Clinton: I did.

Abedin: Just pick up phone and hang it up. And leave it hung up.

Clinton: I’ve done it twice now. Still nothing.

In January 2013, Abedin was concerned that Clinton might miss an early-morning call from Manmohan Singh, the prime minister of India. Abedin discussed the call with Monica Hanley, another Clinton aide.

Abedin: Have you been going over her calls with her? So she knows [S]ingh is at 8?

Hanley: She was in bed for a nap by the time I heard that she had an 8am call. Will go over with her.

Abedin: Very imp[ortant] to do that. She’s often confused.

In her new position as vice-chair of Hillary’s campaign, Huma has even taken to being a stand-in for her boss at campaign-related events. In October, she and Vogue’s Anna Wintour were off to Paris together for a $1,000-a-person fund-raiser at the home of James Cook, an American businessman.
But, for all her proximity to the white-hot center of American politics, Abedin is every bit as unknown to the general public as her boss is world-famous.

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Abedin was born in Kalamazoo, Michigan. Her mother, Saleha Mahmood Abedin, is Pakistani; her late father, Syed Zainul Abedin, was Indian. Both were intellectuals. When Abedin was two years old, the family moved to Jidda, Saudi Arabia, where, with the backing of Abdullah Omar Nasseef, then the president of King Abdulaziz University, her father founded the Institute of Muslim Minority Affairs, a think tank, and became the first editor of its Journal of Muslim Minority Affairs, which stated its mission as “shedding light” on minority Muslim communities around the world in the hope of “securing the legitimate rights of these communities.”

After Syed died, in 1993, his wife succeeded him as director of the institute and editor of the Journal, positions she still holds. She has also been active in the International Islamic Council for Da’wa and Relief, which is now headed by Nasseef and was banned in Israel on account of its ties to the Union of Good, a pro-Hamas fund-raising network, run by Yusuf al-Qaradawi.

Google Abdullah Omar Nasseef, the man who set up the Abedins in Jidda, and a host of right-wing screeds pop up. Though he is a high-ranking insider in the Saudi government and sits on the king’s Shura Council, there are claims that Nasseef once had ties to Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda—a charge that he has denied through a spokesman—and that he remains a “major” figure in the Muslim Brotherhood. In his early years as the patron of the Abedins’ journal, Nasseef was the secretary-general of the Muslim World League, which Andrew McCarthy, the former assistant U.S. attorney who prosecuted the “Blind Sheik,” Omar Abdel Rahman, in the wake of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, claims “has long been the Muslim Brotherhood’s principal vehicle for the international propagation of Islamic supremacist ideology.”

Google Yusuf al-Qaradawi and you’ll find even more right-wing hysteria. Says McCarthy, who has conducted something of a personal crusade on the question of the Abedin family’s purported connections, “The Union of Good is a designated terrorist organization and Qaradawi is the leading global jurisprudent”—a term McCarthy prefers to “cleric”—“of the Muslim Brotherhood, who has issued fatwas calling for suicide bombings in the Palestinian territories and in Israel and has called for the killings of American soldiers in Iraq.”

It turns out the Journal of Muslim Minority Affairs is an Abedin family business. Huma was an assistant editor there between 1996 and 2008. Her brother, Hassan, 45, is a book-review editor at the Journal and was a fellow at the Oxford Center for Islamic Studies, where Nasseef is chairman of the board of trustees. Huma’s sister, Heba, 26, is an assistant editor at the Journal.

In June 2012, then congresswoman Michele Bachmann and four conservative congressmen wrote to the State Department warning that the Muslim Brotherhood had infiltrated the highest levels of the U.S. government. The letter specifically cited Abedin: “Huma Abedin has three family members—her late father, her mother and her brother—connected to Muslim Brotherhood operatives and/or organizations,” they wrote. But a month later Senator John McCain, no friend of the Clintons, took to the Senate floor to denounce Bachmann’s letter as an “unwarranted and unfounded attack” on Abedin. “I know Huma to be an intelligent, upstanding, hard-working, and loyal servant of our country and our government.”

“There are few things that President Obama and John McCain agree on. One is that … Bachmann’s lies about Huma are baseless and bigoted fear-mongering,” says Clinton campaign spokesman Nick Merrill.

The Washington Post once described Abedin as “notoriously private.” That’s a fiction, of course. Like many other political operatives, she appears in the media when it suits her agenda. (Appearing in Vanity Fair is not on it; the Clinton campaign declined to make her available despite repeated requests.) The campaign has put the fear of God into many who might speak about her. One longtime Clinton observer explained that, along with Chelsea, Abedin is “the third rail” of the Clinton political world. “I’m being very candid with you,” this person says. “It’s a situation where everyone’s afraid to comment for fear that they’ll be misquoted, for fear of saying something they may think is laudatory that others may not. You can’t imagine the paranoia…. It’s a paranoia that clearly affects how everyone responds to Huma.”

There is a long list of usually chatty Clinton surrogates and supporters who have gone mute on the subject of Huma Abedin. The ones who didn’t get the memo, or choose to ignore it, stick close to the prescribed script. Michael Feldman, the managing director of the Glover Park Group, a communications consulting firm, says that after 20 years Abedin has become part of the “institutional memory” and now occupies “a really important and unique place in an organization.” Bob Barnett, the lawyer who brokered the Clintons’ multi-million-dollar book deals, says Huma is “now one of the key glues that holds Clintonworld together…. She knows everyone and everyone knows her. She knows their strengths. She knows their weaknesses. She knows the roles they’ve played, and that history is priceless to a person in public life.” “Huma is a terrific leader. She’s multifaceted, has a great strategic sense, and she’s a wonderful colleague. She’s an integral part of the team, and her competence is only exceeded by her humility,” says Clinton campaign chair John Podesta.
Notes on a Scandal

When Anthony Weiner, then in his second term as a congressman from Queens, New York, first saw Abedin around Washington, in 2001, early in Hillary’s Senate term, “I was like, ‘Wow, who is that?’ ” he told The New York Times Magazine’s Jonathan Van Meter in 2013 for an in-depth story about their courtship and marriage.

At a Democratic Party retreat on Martha’s Vineyard, in August 2001, he asked her out for a drink. She said she had to work, but Hillary promptly gave her the night off and urged the two young folks to go out and have fun. In the event, Abedin, who doesn’t drink alcohol, ordered tea and then retreated to the bathroom. She was slow to return. “She ditched me,” Weiner recalled to Van Meter.

They kept running into each other, but Abedin wasn’t interested. She thought he was a brash, ambitious, camera-hogging New Yorker. But opposites began to attract during George W. Bush’s 2007 State of the Union address, at which Weiner found himself sitting between Senators Clinton and Obama. “I appreciate you looking out for my boss,” Huma texted him. By 2008 their relationship had become romantic, and they were married on July 10, 2010, with President Clinton presiding.

Abedin with husband Anthony Weiner, in New York City, 2013.
By Elinor Carucci/Trunk Archive.

In May 2011, Abedin accompanied Hillary and Obama on a trip to London that included a state dinner at Buckingham Palace. Abedin was invited to the festivities and afterward, in her “spectacular” room at the palace, wrote to Weiner: “I cannot believe what an amazingly blessed life that we live, these incredible experiences we’ve both had.” It was like a fairy tale.

A few days later, though, the fairy tale became a nightmare when Weiner called and left a message for his wife, who was in Washington: “My Twitter was hacked.” In fact, despite what he told Abedin and the media, Weiner had mistakenly tweeted a photograph of his erection, meant for a 21-year-old college student in Seattle, to his 45,000 followers. Reporters besieged him.

Desperate for privacy, he and his wife, then pregnant, spent the first weekend of June at a friend’s house in the Hamptons. As they were packing up the car to return to New York City, Weiner confessed, “It’s true. It’s me. The picture is me. I sent it.” Abedin was devastated. “It was every emotion that one would imagine: rage and anger and shock,” she told the Times.

At a news conference on June 6, Weiner tried to come clean. He admitted he had sent explicit messages to six women during the previous three years, but said he had never actually met any of them. One longtime State Department official says that inside Foggy Bottom some people’s initial reaction was that Abedin might have driven Weiner to sexting because she “was never around. She gave so much to Hillary Clinton, what did she have left for him? It was politically incorrect, but we did wonder.”

Abedin turned to Hillary. After all, who better to give advice on a husband’s extramarital escapades? The next day Huma returned to work at the State Department. “My compass was my job,” she said. “It was where I could go and life was normal.”

“Huma didn’t really want me to [resign], frankly,” Weiner told Van Meter. “Her frame was: ‘We’ve got to get back to normal somehow.’ ” But between Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s call for his resignation and the fact that the Clintons were now disgusted with him, according to Politico, he believed he had no choice. He resigned the following day, which meant the end of his $174,000 salary, leaving the couple to make do with Abedin’s $155,000 State Department compensation.
The Money Trail

After the scandal broke, Clintonworld seemed to go into overdrive to help Huma financially. A key first step was finding the family a new place to live. Soon after he resigned from Congress, Weiner sold his Forest Hills condominium for $430,000. Then Abedin sold her Washington condominium, for $620,000, at a loss of $29,000. Thanks to the generosity of Jack Rosen, a longtime Clinton supporter and New York developer, the couple moved into a sunlit, 12th-floor, 2,120-square-foot, four-bedroom apartment in one of Rosen’s buildings, at 254 Park Avenue South. The monthly rent has been estimated to have been at least $12,000. (In an interview, Rosen says the apartment was made available to the couple in part because of his relationship with the Clintons and they paid a market rental rate.) How Weiner and Abedin could afford the rent had the press wondering, although Weiner had started a consulting firm, Woolf Weiner Associates. The couple reported a combined income of $496,000 for 2012. (While Woolf Weiner remains a corporate entity, last July Weiner joined MWW, a public-relations firm. Two months later he was gone. “I was either not consulted or ignored on every part of this excellent summer adventure,” he tweeted.)

The next step was to sign off on Abedin’s 2012 request to become a “special government employee,” or S.G.E., at the State Department. This would allow her to continue to get paid while working from home, in New York City, as a consultant with expertise that no other person could supply on a “myriad of policy, administrative and logistical issues,” according to her application for S.G.E. status. At the same time she could care for her new baby son, Jordan, born on December 21, 2011. She became an S.G.E. in early June 2012 and was paid $62.06 per hour.

By then, Abedin was also acting as a consultant to Teneo Holdings, a global strategic-consulting and investment-banking firm co-founded by her old friend Douglas Band, who did the same thing for Bill Clinton that she did for Hillary. For the seven months she worked at Teneo, she was paid $105,000.

In addition to the State Department and Teneo jobs, Huma was hired as a consultant to the William J. Clinton Foundation to help plan for Hillary’s “post-State philanthropic activities,” and as a personal employee of Hillary’s.

The potential for conflicts cropped up immediately. In April 2012, after her maternity leave and while she was waiting to get her S.G.E. designation, Teneo asked her to intercede on behalf of its client Judith Rodin, the president of the Rockefeller Foundation, in obtaining a seat on the President’s Global Development Council. That year, the Rockefeller Foundation paid Teneo $5.7 million for public-relations work. “[Rodin] is expecting us to help her get appointed to this,” reads the subject line of an e-mail between two Teneo officials. “[Senior Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett’s] team is aware of the request, but has not made a commitment,” another e-mail explains. A few months later Band e-mailed Abedin: “Judy Rodin. Huge [Clinton] foundation/cgi [Clinton Global Initiative] supporter and close pal of wjc [Bill Clinton]. Teneo reps her as well. Can you help?” (There was no reply from Abedin in the e-mail chain, and Rodin did not get the appointment.)

In July 2012, Huma, Weiner, and Jordan, then six months old, posed for People magazine in their Park Avenue South apartment, which had been listed for sale at more than $3 million. In the piece Abedin proclaimed, “Anthony has spent every day since [the scandal] trying to be the best dad and husband he can be. I’m proud to be married to him.”

Soon thereafter, Weiner announced he was running for mayor. But it turned out he had again sent sexual messages to a woman on social media, starting in July 2012, after the People story appeared. He ended up losing badly in the Democratic primary. For many in Clintonworld, this was the end of their involvement with Anthony Weiner. “The Clintons have put him in exile,” one longtime Clinton insider says.

But not Huma. She quickly returned to Hillary’s side. Daniel Halper, online editor at the conservative Weekly Standard and the author of Clinton, Inc., an unflattering portrait of the Clintons, theorizes Huma had little choice after the second sexting fiasco but to stick with Hillary. “She started sort of easing her way out,” he says. “It would have helped if she was the First Lady of New York and would’ve had her own gig going, but, of course, her husband completely ****** her over. But, at that point, there was no way for her to exit gracefully.”
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In June 2013, Huma’s various roles caught the attention of Iowa Republican senator Charles Grassley, then the ranking minority member of the Senate Judiciary Committee. In a June 13 letter to Abedin, he claimed that Teneo had paid her for gathering “political intelligence” on behalf of its clients. (Teneo disputes this assertion.) He noted that, in addition to her $135,000 State Department compensation, she had also been paid “as much as $355,000” for her other consulting. He said he was “concerned” that her S.G.E. status “blurs the line between public and private sector employees.” He asked her to provide him information about her various jobs. In her July 5 response, she denied providing any advice or insights to Teneo clients about the State Department.

But these answers did not mollify Grassley. Specifically, he objected to Abedin’s becoming an S.G.E., because he believed she provided no irreplaceable expertise and therefore her designation as one had violated Congress’s intent when it created the program, in 1962. The State Department dismissed his concerns. Her appointment as an S.G.E. “was consistent with employment and ethics rules,” it said. “She was retained for her expert knowledge of policy, administrative, and other matters.”

Grassley, now the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, remains unsatisfied and has cited another Abedin-related beef: he claims she had worked 244 days as an S.G.E., far more than the 130 days allowed by the federal S.G.E. law. “If there’s a reason for more than 130 days, then she shouldn’t be an S.G.E.,” he says. “She ought to be a full-time employee.” But, according to someone close to Abedin, the State Department’s Office of Inspector General “miscalculated” the amount of time Huma worked as an S.G.E. and Grassley and his staff are “wrong” about the implications of her working more than 130 days as one. In her interview with the O.I.G,. Abedin recalled receiving verbal approval for the time she spent working.

Grassley continues to probe Abedin’s potential conflicts of interest when she was getting four different paychecks at once. “We know she set up dinners for Secretary Clinton and her private-sector employers and e-mailed private-sector employees from government accounts,” he says.

During the course of his looking into Abedin’s S.G.E. status, the senator stumbled upon an O.I.G. “criminal” inquiry, commenced in October 2013, about whether Abedin knowingly got paid for hours she did not work while she was on vacation and maternity leave. The heavily redacted report of the inquiry, dated January 2015, is titled “Huma Abedin. Embezzlement.” Essentially, the O.I.G. found that Abedin was paid $33,140.03 (or $20,331.42 after taxes) in a lump sum as a result of her possibly submitting “false or inaccurate time records resulting in pay received for work hours which should have been charged to sick and/or annual leave.” (The Department of Justice declined to prosecute.)

The report makes clear that there was confusion about whether she had been authorized to take a maternity leave and whether she should have been paid for a “babymoon”—an August 2011 trip Abedin, then pregnant, and Weiner took to Italy. During that trip, she said in an interview with investigators, “Every day we had calls. We had emails. I was—I feel like I was constantly on conference calls. I have clear memories of walking around and just being on a conference call the whole time as we were walking.” The 161-page report concludes that the State Department wants her to repay $10,674.32, which equates to 62 days of work. As of this writing Abedin has not done so, pending an administrative appeal.

In Clintonworld, the reaction to Grassley’s relentless assault on Huma is one of resignation. “It’s understood that if you live in that white-hot center in Clintonland you’ll be the subject of investigations, you’ll be the subject of personal attacks,” explains the longtime Clinton observer. “You expect it to come, and it’s handled. She’s done nothing wrong and has nothing to be apprehensive about. It doesn’t mean she still won’t be attacked.” Another says simply, “Senator Grassley would not be pursuing Huma if she was not a key senior aide to Secretary Clinton.”

Grassley says that charge is ridiculous and that he has no plans to give up this fight until he gets more information from Abedin and the State Department. The Judiciary Committee’s lawyers have been trying to schedule a meeting with Abedin’s lawyer, Miguel Rodríguez, but that meeting keeps getting postponed. (Each side says the other is to blame.) “I have to go by my reputation,” Grassley says. “I don’t give up. You know the old saying ‘There’s more than one way to skin a cat’?”

But Rodríguez says, “Neither the law nor the facts support Senator Grassley’s baseless allegations and extrapolated conclusions. It is disappointing that the senator and his staff continue to focus a politically motivated campaign on Ms. Abedin, who has been known her entire professional life for hard work, integrity, and her sterling reputation. It is people like Ms. Abedin whom we should all want in public service.”

Whether it’s palatable for the vice-chairman of Hillary’s presidential campaign to be embroiled in allegations of conflicts of interest, obtaining patronage jobs, or misrepresenting time worked remains to be seen. Asked if at some point Huma becomes a liability to Hillary, the long-term Clinton insider replies, “It’s like anything else. I don’t think so, but you know I don’t have any idea. Hillary is very loyal, but she’s obviously pragmatic.”

It’s all gotten more complicated since the simpler days of 2011, when one Saturday morning, just before noon, Huma sent Hillary a copy of an A.P. story about gunmen who tried to assassinate the head of the Libyan Army. Hillary replied about an hour later: “Did you get info from Chelsea about the wall lamps?”

Chelsea had sent Huma the link. Huma replied, “They are beautiful, but way out of my price range!”

“Did you look at all the ones in the link to the brand?” Hillary asked later that afternoon. “Can you call me at home?”
By Charles Dharapak/A.P. Images.

I agree with the DoJ: there is NOTHING here that any reasonable Prosecutor like Pleet Bhalala with brains up his ass could find as prosecutable. It just adds up to one MASSIVE penetration of the top levels of the GOTUS, and now the Presidency, by the UMMAH.
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Rudradev wrote:
Dipanker wrote:
Aren't you nitpicking?
No, I'm refusing to cite sources to the effect that Huma Abedin's father, born in British India, is not of Indian descent... that claim was made by HKumar, and he should support it himself.

hain ??? :eek:

indian citizenship and descent ko leke aap bahut ghuma phira ke baat kar rahe ho...

do you accept huma is of 1/2 indian descent or not ?
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That's about as relevant as whether you accept Hafiz Saeed, Pervez Musharraf and Maulana Masood Azhar are of FULL Indian descent or not. (Do you?)

If so, then Huma is of 400% Indian descent also! :rotfl:
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I don't know their full pedigree. do you ?

Pervez is a mohajir from old dilli...
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FBI Rogues are subverting 2016 elections. This is serious crazy . do follow links in the story.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... ction.html

The leaks continue with ferocity. There were two big ones Thursday. First, that an indictment is “likely” in the bureau’s investigation of the Clinton Foundation. Second, that there was a “99 percent chance” that Hillary Clinton’s email server was hacked by “at least five” foreign intelligence agencies. These leaks were delivered to Fox News and The Wall Street Journal, among others; Murdoch properties, that is. Fox News’s Bret Baier had to dial the second charge back later in the day. Pete Williams of NBC News, who’s been a rare TV voice offering perspective since the opening minutes last Friday when the report of Director James Comey’s letter broke, was able to quote his own FBI sources last night to Chuck Todd, saying they were telling him the hacking allegation “is just not true.”

True or not, it’s getting out there and it’s getting reported. You may have read Thursday my Daily Beast colleague Wayne Barrett’s interview with James Kallstrom, the former head of the FBI’s New York office, who all but confirmed to Barrett the existence of this orchestrated leak campaign.
And then it turns out that these agents are basing their investigation on a book called Clinton Cash by Peter Schweizer. Schweizer is the president of the Government Accountability Institute, an organization co-founded and chaired by Steve Bannon. Who is the CEO of the Trump campaign.
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This is unprecedented, of all the years I have watched the US elections, other than the 2000 election which the Supreme Court stole it for Republicans, nothing of the this sort has happened in long time.

Up until last week before the the Comey bombshell, Hillary looked to be winning by a landslide, today it seems down to just 2 states now Pennsylvania, and NH. If Hillary loses these 2 she will lose. Unbelievable turn of events!
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2000 was the most egregious. This might become... but 2000 was the worst. Didnt sandra o'connor or her husband say that they didnt want her successor to be decided by a democrat. Once you allow serving judges and election officials to be partisan what is surprising if other officials also show their 'preference'?
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After the 2012 elections the Republican Party made a fateful choice which makes for a dismal future for the US of A. The link is to a storify of economist Noah Smith's tweets that explains.
https://storify.com/macgupta123/dismal
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^^that is really dismal... could happen though.
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People here railing against the FBI reminds me of our liberal cuckoos in India railing against SC for giving Modi a clean chit for Godhra. Of course if the Fibbies and SC were spouting favourable lines, these same fellas would go to town proclaiming the H&D of those institutions. Those who preach the most tolerance are usually the most intolerant. :roll:
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another nauseating ndtv + raul gandhi type piece

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... urce=atltw

What Hillary Clinton's Fans Love About Her
Her supporters are drawn to her intelligence, her industriousness, and her grit.


Carlos Barria / Reuters
CHIMAMANDA ADICHIE NOV 3, 2016 POLITICS

We do not see, often enough, the people who love Hillary Clinton, who support her because of her qualifications rather than because of her unqualified opponent, who empathize with her. Yet millions of Americans, women and men, love her intelligence, her industriousness, her grit; they feel loyal to her, they will vote with enthusiasm for her.
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A_Gupta wrote:After the 2012 elections the Republican Party made a fateful choice which makes for a dismal future for the US of A. The link is to a storify of economist Noah Smith's tweets that explains.
https://storify.com/macgupta123/dismal
Classic strawman. First off, GOP is 50% or less of the electorate. The other side has severe Vote Bank Politics, which is arguably worse. But I agree that the GOP focused on attacking the President personally, and obstructing the government. Can't think of a single positive initiative from the GOP since 1992. Dubya, well... other than the Eyerak disaster and the Katrina disaster, I can't remember what he did. OK, he did distribute some surplus tax money back to taxpayers, thanks.
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almost there. bas ek aur dhakka ..

http://conservativetribune.com/security ... y-treason/
BREAKING: Homeland Security Chair Says Hillary Guilty of “Treason”
This is why you have security protocols — to protect classified information,” said McCaul. “She exposed it to our enemies, and now our adversaries have this very sensitive information.”

“It jeopardizes not only our national security at home, but our men and women serving overseas. This is, in my opinion, treason.”
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The site is appropriately called CT. The "Head of Security" is an elephant hack who chairs the security committee in the COTUS. Hyper-bole. Dang! Fridin evening is well into the late hours and no indictment. Pleet Bhalala is clearly goofing off. And the US taxpayer pays good $$$$ to pay these shirkers' salaries???
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BBC poll of polls have both tied at 45% now.

this can only mean Trump is comfortably ahead.
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Can't think of a single positive initiative from the GOP since 1992.
In fairness, though, GOP is a party of 'limited' government that is opposed to 'progressivism' -- the belief that social problems be 'solved' by government intervention. A lot of GOP voters simply want to be left alone and have the government do the needful for keeping the homeland safe and get out of the way otherwise.
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Rahul baba level logic- Huma Abedin is a 1/2 indian and why should hindus/indians think she is bad for india/hindus? Yeah well burhan wani and other sons of headmasters who used social media onleeee as reported by NDTV were 100% indian onlee :lol:.

Its pretty interesting that these pathetic points are being raised in a forum like BRF
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http://www.businessinsider.in/Susan-Sar ... 252517.cms

There may be many Burnee supporters like her. But somehow MSM seems to be forget about that.
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Huma Abedin may have well been the UPA pointsperson for ban on Modi USA visa.

Look at the urgency with which she is arranging the MMS meeting with Hitlery. She is pointsperson in SD for RAPE and for Congi. So she is also Indian but different camp. Maybe in Ahmed Patel's camp.
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Rudradev wrote:
The last part about Clinton introduction is complete BS, here is what he actually wrote about the incidence in the introduction:

During my visit to India in 2000, some militants decided
to vent their outrage by murdering thirty-eight Sikhs in
cold blood. If I hadn't made the trip, the victims would prob-
ably still be alive. If I hadn't made the trip because I feared
what religious extremists might do, I couldn't have done my
job as president of the United States. The nature of America
is such that many people define themselves — or a part of
themselves — in relation to it, for or against. This is part of
the reality in which our leaders must operate.

You're right, that is complete BS. What it doesn't say speaks volumes. "Some militants" deciding to "vent their outrage" during his visit to India. Wait, no... "religious extremists". Not a word about Pakistan or the Lashkar-e-Taiba; meanwhile, the religious identity of the victims is explicitly mentioned. Leaves everything to the imagination of well-informed liberal Democrats who would read this drivel, certainly.

I'll admit I was wrong in one particular detail. He didn't mention "extremist Hindus", possibly for fear of libel, but did everything else to spin the incident in exactly the way Hillary's Paki sponsors, courtesy Huma Abedin, would have wanted.
This is nothing new for the abrahamics. Look at the human rights watch reports. All kashmir pandit/hindu victim names will be hidden in their report in a remote corner while all muslim victim names will be highlighted very prominently. Also, the army men ,if accused in the report will have their (hindu)names prominently displayed in the reports while the names of the militants committing atrocity will not be mentioned prominantly.


The same with the violence by communist filth . How many here know that as per data, the biggest killers by terrorism inside india is actually Maoists(predominantly civilians) and other commie trash? And yet how many reports have you read about the violence by these commie trash by Human rights watch or amnesty international? Anyone who thinks the human rights watch/amnesty types are impartial/neutral and are for human rights here are simply delusional. They are here to save and enlighten you pagan folks about the error of your polytheist ways just like they enlightened the pagan/heathen natives of other continents. As i said western barbs haven't changed their genocidal ways, just that their methods have become more sophisticated.

Even their modus operandi of using "reform advocating" rats(Raja Ram mohan roy) inside india against hindus haven't changed
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habal wrote:Huma Abedin may have well been the UPA pointsperson for ban on Modi USA visa.

Look at the urgency with which she is arranging the MMS meeting with Hitlery. She is pointsperson in SD for RAPE and for Congi. So she is also Indian but different camp. Maybe in Ahmed Patel's camp.
IMO, people like Konrad elst or Francois Gautier are far more indian than reform rats aka Vatican coolies like John dayal and others . Being born in india/having indian parents doesn't make one Indian and that's how I see it. Of course, the presence of so many pakis with indian skin and name inside india makes me think I am right as well. Anyway, that's just how i see it
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Assange says Hillary and ISIS are funded by the same people and it hardly creates a ripple.

Signs of the times we live in I suppose.

http://www.dailystormer.com/assange-hil ... me-people/
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