Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 06 Nov 2016 20:37

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/donald-trump-and-the-death-of-american-exceptionalism

The old presumptions hold that some element of national humiliation and decline predisposes nations toward fascism, or at least the appeals of fascistic movements. But in the U.S. this movement sprang up on the contrails of the first black Presidency—a moment that was, perhaps naïvely at the time, thought to be one of national affirmation and triumph. The unsavory implication here, of course, is that, for the cornerstone elements of Trumpism, that triumph was a national humiliation, that the image of an African-American receiving the deference and regard that the Presidency entails invalidated these Americans’ understanding of what the U.S. is, or at least what it is supposed to be.

In the broader context, Trumpism represents the demise of American exceptionalism, or at least the refutation of the most cogent arguments for it ever having existed in the first place.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 06 Nov 2016 21:05

Black president may or may not be a factor to swing enough electoral votes. if that was the case, then it would have showed up in a big way in 2012 election. I am in a red state with pretty much all races being held uncontested in republican favor. However, the feel is more due to Obamacare and anyone but Clinton. Everyone from my coworkers to even on campus nurses are pro trump due to these reasons. Especially the industry I frequent, securing information is of paramount and Clintons are not something that my team and I look forward to everyday and feel moralized to practice security policies. And obviously loosing our gold plated insurance plans and eat up close to $5000 a year in additional insurance premiums is not something we are amused by either. Not to mention deductibles going from $300 to $3000. Obama whether black or not will remain one of the most corrupt politician out there since the car insurance was mandatory and consumers were ripped off.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 06 Nov 2016 21:08

^ Jelani Kobb is the inhuman fascist by believing that US is 'exceptional', the nation standing upon the skeletons of genocided "native americans", who white christian missionaries donated blankets peppered with small pox and other diseases.

Exceptional? Ack thooo, exceptionally violent yes, where this national first bombs iraq and then sends shiploads of bibles for hungry orphans to be converted.

republican murderer ronald reagen had bombed Qaddaffi's palace killing his 8 year old daughter, democrat secretary of state hitlary had Qadaffi killed, sab ke sab miley huey hain.

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 06 Nov 2016 21:24

habal wrote:We are selfish because we yearn for peace without caring for suffering of others. That is why there is this cry for Trump, there are plenty of Iraqis, Iranians, Russians, DPR Ukrainian, Serbs, Syrians, Palestinians, Vietnamese, Libyans who need vengeance. The anglo-zionist war machine has to meet their comeuppance, earlier the better.

7th Nov, 2055
UBSN news. Good morning the combined armies of India, Russia and China has launched all out offensive on all fronts against the western powers. Their armoured columns are moving rapidly into western Europe. A hypothetical scenario but life is full of surprises.

habal · Post by **habal** » 06 Nov 2016 21:32

boom boom

first exit polls show heavy majority for Trump.

As if on cue BBC is showing a pro-Trump lifafa program saying there is Truth in Trump allegations.

https://youtu.be/l_RYBJflUE4

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 06 Nov 2016 21:37

Manish_Sharma wrote:^ Jelani Kobb is the inhuman fascist by believing that US is 'exceptional', the nation standing upon the skeletons of genocided "native americans", who white christian missionaries donated blankets peppered with small pox and other diseases.

Exceptional? Ack thooo, exceptionally violent yes, where this national first bombs iraq and then sends shiploads of bibles for hungry orphans to be converted.

republican murderer ronald reagen had bombed Qaddaffi's palace killing his 8 year old daughter, democrat secretary of state hitlary had Qadaffi killed, sab ke sab miley huey hain.

In this day and age of information from "standard" sources freely available online it is better to do some fact checking. Lot of things you think you knew may turn out to be propaganda.

The dead body of the child shown was that of a 1 year old, not 8 years, presumably that of Gaddafi's adopted daughter Hana, who apparently is still alive as per this report:

Is Gaddafi's Daughter, Believed Killed by a U.S. Air Strike, Alive and Well?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_Unit ... g_of_Libya

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 06 Nov 2016 21:51

If I remember well Gadafi at that time was major terror supporter. He was making all kinds of challenges to US and they hijacked and kill a old man (US Citizen?) and after that US started bombing and they bombed his tent wherein this girl was said to be there.

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 06 Nov 2016 21:55

habal wrote:boom boom

first exit polls show heavy majority for Trump.

As if on cue BBC is showing a pro-Trump lifafa program saying there is Truth in Trump allegations.

https://youtu.be/l_RYBJflUE4

Could you provide a link to these "Exit Polls"?

https://ballotpedia.org/Exit_polling

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 06 Nov 2016 22:03

^ This "Exit poll" of 250,000 Israeli Americans living in Israel sounds completely dubious, since Hillary here is the pro Israel candidate and Trump not so much.

One has to be incredibly naive to believe such crap. It only shows desperation on Trump supporters part.

habal · Post by **habal** » 06 Nov 2016 22:07

how do you conduct dubious exit polls in such a small group ?

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 06 Nov 2016 22:08

Dipanker wrote:^ This "Exit poll" of 250,000 Israeli Americans living in Israel sounds completely dubious, since Hillary here is the pro Israel candidate and Trump not so much.

One has to be incredibly naive to believe such crap. It only shows desperation on Trump supporters part.

It could be simply a poll and not technically an "exit poll" but wouldn't be that much off. Israeli expats aren't going to make or break this election either way.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 06 Nov 2016 22:09

brar_w wrote:
Independents have been voting for DT more the HRC. Something like 2-1.
You will have to break this up and there is data out there that suggests its no where close to 2-1 (but let's let that pass for now).. An independent/NPA in Broward or Dade county isn't the same as the rest of Florida especially when these are majority Hispanic or majority minority areas. When votes come in you have to stop looking at the polls unless each and every county contributes exactly the same in driving up turn-out which is normally not the case. If there is a turnout increase compared to 2012, you have to see where that turnout increase comes from and where each candidate stands in terms of own-party support, independent/NPA support and the demographics of that area. I haven't come across Saturday data but so far as of Friday ,Hispanics, as a percent had higher representation in the independents than in the party registered voters - 20.1% to 14.5%. The opposite was true for White voters - 63.5% compared to 67.5%. Simply put, NPA's/Independents in Florida are more diverse in EV than the party-registered voters. . Do remember that Sunday EV favors the Democrats because the State of Florida has more EV sites open on Sunday in traditional democratic areas while EV ended in many republican dominant areas on Saturday.

By the end of the day we'll have a good idea of the demographic data from these two counties on the NPA's and those that did not vote in 2012. Early voting in Florida ends at 7 PM EST.The statewide AA+Hispanic EV turnout gain as of Friday was around +80,000 and should be close to or just above 100K including the turnout on Saturday. It could be higher after today's EV. This largely fueled by a greater than 150% increase in hispanic EV turnout.

Hispanics in south Florida are not Mexican or central American migrants who have come north looking for work. Many of them are from the Caribbean countries, Cuba, and Puerto Rico and other parts of south America. NPAs regardless of ethnicity are less likely to vote for HRC. So far DT is polling abysmally with Hispanics and African Americans, but he is polling twice as better than Mitt Romney did in 2016. If DT were to lose south Florida counties by more than 5% percent would indicate poll rigging and manipulation by Democrats.

habal · Post by **habal** » 06 Nov 2016 22:11

exit polls conducted by iVote Israel. Mainly absentee ballots from dual-citizens

Trump 49
Hitlery 41

for those who do not want to go through link.

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 06 Nov 2016 22:17

Hispanics in south Florida are not Mexican or central American migrants who have come north looking for work. Many of them are from the Caribbean countries, Cuba, and Puerto Rico and other parts of south America. NPAs regardless of ethnicity are less likely to vote for HRC.

Romney lost Dade by 24%, McCain by 16% and Bush by 6% ..So yeah the area is important and a democratic stronghold where they have been climbing in registration and vote margins for the last 12 years..South Florida Cuban American GOP advantage has been consistently fading over the last 12 years as well as the population gets younger and first generation immigrants are replaced by their children and grandchildren. Margins for HRC will most certainly be a lot higher than what they were for Obama v Romney.

If DT were to lose south Florida counties by more than 5% percent would indicate poll rigging and manipulation by Democrats.

LOL

So far DT is polling abysmally with Hispanics and African Americans, but he is polling twice as better than Mitt Romney did in 2016.

Let's see if this theory survives the actual results. Won't be that long before we get actual data. As a reference, Romney won 27% of the Hispanic national vote share. Let's see where Trump stands on Tuesday night and whether he does " twice as better" which would mean he actually beats Hillary clinton when it came to the hispanic community. Good luck with that ! He's going to need a lot many more Taco Bowl's to pull that off !

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 06 Nov 2016 22:27

https://youtu.be/N9fRgMHUXKc

No comments from me. The link speaks for itself

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 06 Nov 2016 22:36

In general Republicans don't win unless and until they get around 40% of the hispanic vote. I will be shocked if they manage anywhere near that this time. I will be highly surprised if they break 20%.

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 06 Nov 2016 22:44

Dipanker wrote:In general Republicans don't win unless and until they get around 40% of the hispanic vote. I will be shocked if they manage anywhere near that this time. I will be highly surprised if they break 20%.

Oh no..Breitbart says so so it must be 54%

Did you not see how enthusiastic Trump supporters were in cardenas market on Friday night? It literally sealed NV for him.

Rammpal · Post by **Rammpal** » 06 Nov 2016 22:45

brar_w wrote:

Is that like.......... like Trrrump ?

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 06 Nov 2016 22:56

Obama/Dems made elections a data science exercise.

Collect data, analyze, create models and set up ground game to maximize the opportunities.

Republicans can't match the scale of the ground game unless there is a tsunami.

People who think Trump can topple the strategy are overestimating his IQ by 2-3 times

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 06 Nov 2016 23:02

brar_w wrote:
Dipanker wrote:In general Republicans don't win unless and until they get around 40% of the hispanic vote. I will be shocked if they manage anywhere near that this time. I will be highly surprised if they break 20%.

Oh no..Breitbart says so so it must be 54% Did you not see how enthusiastic Trump supporters were in cardenas market on Friday night? It literally sealed NV for him.

Tell me about it!

BTW, thanks for your informative contribution to this thread.

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 06 Nov 2016 23:04

vijayk wrote:Obama/Dems made elections a data science exercise.

Collect data, analyze, create models and set up ground game to maximize the opportunities.

Republicans can't match the scale of the ground game unless there is a tsunami.

People who think Trump can topple the strategy are overestimating his IQ by 2-3 times

The Republicans invested $100 Million in data operations between 2012 and this year. They also invested a very high $ number in hispanic outreach. Then Trump happened!

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 06 Nov 2016 23:07

Dipanker wrote:
brar_w wrote:

Oh no..Breitbart says so so it must be 54% Did you not see how enthusiastic Trump supporters were in cardenas market on Friday night? It literally sealed NV for him.
Tell me about it!

BTW, thanks for your informative contribution to this thread.

You're welcome! Going through SOS records for heavy early voting states is actually very interesting if one has the time. Folks tend to fixate on polls, and those who support a particular candidate tend to focus on outlier polls the are in their favor. This is a good thing to look at as long as you look at a LOT of polls that tend to drown the noise and balance out the outliers. However doing so 4 days before the election, in states where millions have voted already is actually quite a bad idea. You really need to go through to see where the turn-out is coming from. I'm voting for someone that won't win regardless, and my state is no longer a battleground state this year. All I'm interested in is a Trump loss and the GOP coming to its senses so that they can actually defeat the Clinton machine 4 years from now. Hillary sealed this election when she got nearly 30 Million primary votes.

If GOP'ers keep on believing these totally absurd data such as them winning 54% of the hispanic vote and then turn around and cry "rigged" if reality doesnt match that' while completely ignoring the fundamental change in the US demographics and how these demographics vote, they will continue to keep handing the WH to the Democrats. The 2012 autopsy was a good start but apparently someone read it and created a candidate that was the total opposite.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 06 Nov 2016 23:51

Demographic shift has sealed the fate of the Republican party. In fact the writing has been on the wall for sometime, going as far back as mid 90's. Recall that the 2000 election was handed to them by Rehnquist and the gang by stopping the recount.

Any reasonable SWOT analysis should make it obvious to them that being exclusively white racist party is no longer tenable in 21st century America. Instead their reaction has been exactly opposite, first the tea party, now the nationalists. This was their last chance and they blew it. Henceforth demographically they can not win, the population and electoral votes due to added number of blue states will make it numerically impossible.

Salvation lies in making it a bigger tent party, change or perish.

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 06 Nov 2016 23:54

The only way to consistently win with these odds is to hope for a depressed minority turnout. That is not a good strategy when your opponents are equally or better funded. Again, they did a fairly accurate analysis of their 2012 loss..and then came Ted Cruz followed later by Donald Trump.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Nov 2016 00:24

Wow! This Conway mohterma is worth hajaar times her weight in gold. Just watching her ream out the CNN loudmouth, without breaking a sweat. You have to hand it to the 'Zee that he can hire smart people if he wants to.

Makes u wonder how good Megyn Kelly could have been if only she had kept her brains in her head instead of (never mind).

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 07 Nov 2016 00:37

Good one yak herder.These one page post from many posters remind me of a scene from" enter the dragon "movie. A karate guy from the bad guys team shows his best karate moves for a minute. Then the real expert delivers one Tyson punch to the jaw and the karate guy is on the floor. Game over.The statement to know everything and understand nothing applies to many posters here.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 07 Nov 2016 01:49

Gus wrote:
Rudradev wrote:
Quite right. A US citizen by birth isn't half (or 1/n) a citizen of any other country. Still confused?
I think the argument is about descent. Not citizenship. If we are talking descent, then surely she has some Indian descent from both father and to some extent her mother as well. Indian heritage may be questionable because of upbringing and KSA and Islamic issues etc.

But still, US citizens by birth can be citizens of other countries where they allow dual citizenship no?

Come on Saar, you are way sharper than this..

Thanks for the vote of confidence, saar.

As I recall, the "argument" advanced by our Clintonistas was fairly typical: Hindu Americans should not call out Huma Abedin on her Paki and Saudi connections, but rather stay dhimmified in the hope of getting on her good side, because after all she is "1/2 Indian" (sic). It was not specified whether this was supposed to mean 1/2 Indian citizenship or 1/2 Indian descent.

Assuming it meant 1/2 Indian descent, I pointed out that Hafiz Saeed, Pervez Musharraf and Maulana Masood Azhar are of full Indian descent by the exactly the same yardstick. Dhimmified behaviour... the hallmark of the MMS/Maino govt so admired by our Clintonistas... doesn't seem to have brought us on the good side of these worthies.

End of argument, until you saw fit to flog that poor dead Donkey once again... but don't let me interrupt your efforts

I appreciate your pointing us to the conclusion that India allows "dual citizenship" to born US citizens, by the way... hadn't noticed this on the MEA website. You learn something new from Killary's fact-checkers every day

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Nov 2016 01:57

India allows "dual citizenship" to born US citizens, by the way

now now, I am sure he didn't mean it that way. Humbedin being YooEss born, but 1/2-Paki because of Ummah, probably IS a dual Paki citjen. Maybe always was on Ummah's Baki passport until 18, and then automatically Baki dual. Coolly got US passport as well. Since she did not go through COTUS hearings no one has checked.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Nov 2016 02:05

Meanwhile we seem to have missed this classic

from HillBillistan Post:
Was it legal for the FBI to expand the Weiner email search to target Hillary Clinton’s emails?

FBI Director James B. Comey recently announced that the FBI had discovered new emails that might be relevant to the investigation of Hillary Clinton’s email server. The emails were discovered in an unrelated case, and the FBI now plans to search through the emails as part of the Clinton server investigation.
Comey’s announcement raises an important legal question: Does expanding the FBI’s investigation from the unrelated case to the Clinton case violate the Fourth Amendment?
We don’t know all the facts yet, so it’s somewhat hard to say. But (that doesn't keep me from yadayadayada) ..**snip..yawn***
Orin Kerr is the Fred C. Stevenson Research Professor at The George Washington University Law School, where he has taught since 2001. He teaches and writes in the area of criminal procedure and computer crime law.

{that's what too them so long - to get a new search warrant, hain?}

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Nov 2016 02:13

Gets better. Mop Secret!! President HClinton is known to trust Latin American immigrants -how gracious of her!!!

A longtime maid for the Clinton family was privy to numerous classified government documents--and was at times actively told to handle them, Fox & Friends reported.

Marina Santos, a Filipino immigrant working in Bill and Hillary Clinton's District of Columbia home was routinely asked to print sensitive and classified information, Brian Kilmeade said, citing the New York Post's cover story.

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 07 Nov 2016 02:24

What exactly is the deal with Huma Abedin? And can I get an answer without the loony tunes Alex Jones/NYPost spin.

She spent a large part of a childhood in Saudi Arabia and her parents were Muslim academics in the US. Other than that I can't seem to find any ties with ISIS or Al Qaeda.

In fact, I can't find anything remotely notable about her at all, aside from the fact that she's a loyal aide to Clinton. And that she played the 'good wife' in the Weiner story.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 07 Nov 2016 02:53

Overwhelming majority of the Indian Americans vote democratic, we known that, and this election is not going to be any different. In fact we have fewer Republican supporters among Indian American this time, only 7%, thanks to Trump's candidacy.

Now these 7% in their infinite wisdom have decided that Huma Abedin in any position of power is going to be bad for India ( despite no direct evidence of it so far), and thus Hillary should lose and Trump should win!

The same 7% worthies in their infinite wisdom, in order to help India, have decided to waive the red cape to Huma Abedin by sponsoring anti Huma Abedin ad. on TV and asking her: "AA bail mujhe maar".

I hope both Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin understand that these 7% do not represent the interest of 93% other Indian Americans, or the larger interest of India.

EDITED: Replaced "Hindu American" with "Indian American"

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 07 Nov 2016 02:56

^^^Bogus analysis. Indian community is split on this one in recent months. Killary Klinton == Sonia Gandhi.

Anyway, the US system is a rigged system. The deep state will ensure Killary comes in. The BRF posters and others in the Indian community the US own the crap that is about to become India-US relations.

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 07 Nov 2016 03:05

More on Florida Hispanic turnout in EV - In 2012, 1.6 Million Hispanics were eligible to vote and 1.06 million (roughly 62% turnout) of them voted. The Hispanic vote was split 60:39 in favor of Obama. This year, between 1.8 and 2 Million Hispanics are eligible to vote in FL. As of Saturday night, more than 900,000 Hispanics have already voted with data on a full day of EV yet to come out. Most of the heavy hispanic population areas have EV on Sunday so expect a decent amount to vote today. Its virtually a given that there will be a higher hispanic turnout based on what has already happened in EV the question remains would the turnout on Tuesday follows the EV trend or not.

Regardless you could easily have between 1.2 Million and 1.5 Million hispanics cast their ballots in Florida by the time this thing ends. I also would not be surprised if the democrats get a higher percentage compared to Obama - Romney..Of course if breitbart is to be believed Trump should be getting 80% of the Hispanic vote given that he is expected to do " twice as better" compared to Romney

. Another bit of data coming out of WSJ's analysis of the raw numbers (florida makes it really hard to do this rapidly)..the EV Hispanic turnout is 2X that of 2012, with a 1/3 of those being voters that did not participate in the 2012 cycle at all.

Another thing to monitor going into Tuesday - African American EV turnout (FL only) in 16 compared to 2012. Preliminary data suggests that ht was slow to start but is now at 12 levels (numbers not percentage). We'll know by tomorrow morning.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 07 Nov 2016 03:14

Breibart and National Enquirer found Martians visiting FL to rig elections

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 07 Nov 2016 03:14

Breaking news:

Emails Warrant No New Action Against Hillary Clinton, F.B.I. Director Says

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 07 Nov 2016 03:17

Dipanker wrote:Overwhelming majority of the Indian Americans vote democratic, we known that, and this election is not going to be any different. In fact we have fewer Republican supporters among Indian American this time, only 7%, thanks to Trump's candidacy.

Now these 7% in their infinite wisdom have decided that Huma Abedin in any position of power is going to be bad for India ( despite no direct evidence of it so far), and thus Hillary should lose and Trump should win!

The same 7% worthies in their infinite wisdom, in order to help India, have decided to waive the red cape to Huma Abedin by sponsoring anti Huma Abedin ad. on TV and asking her: "AA bail mujhe maar".

I hope both Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin understand that these 7% do not represent the interest of 93% other Indian Americans, or the larger interest of India.

EDITED: Replaced "Hindu American" with "Indian American"

No amount of slavery to Killary or Huma will fetch any results for India.

They have an agenda. They will continue to sponsor killers of India. That won't change whether you suck unto them or vote for them.

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 07 Nov 2016 03:19

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Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 07 Nov 2016 03:28

vijayk wrote:
No amount of slavery to Killary or Huma will fetch any results for India.

They have an agenda. They will continue to sponsor killers of India. That won't change whether you suck unto them or vote for them.

You may be right or you may be wrong! At this point we can only speculate.

But do we really need to waive the red cape to them and ask them: "Aa bail mujhe maar" ?

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 07 Nov 2016 04:30

^^ Certainly not. Stupid Ad.

Not enthusiastic for Hillary and I see 1-1 parallels between Trampanzee and Kujli fellow.

I don't think it is possible to for Trump to win (<2%). Hope I am right but then lady killer team is an interventionist war mongers who set middle east on fire making millions in the process.

I hope to see Republicans win both senate and Congress to control this lady who made hundreds of millions by vaporizing hundreds and thousands of victims.