Understanding the United States of America (USA) - III

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 08 Nov 2016 17:38

MLK was a leader who could have instilled some of that, but "they" "took care of him" long ago.

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Reminds me of 1998: "Mayretta schoolkids unable to sleep because of fear due to Indian n-bomb tests"

er... Mayretta is within 2 miles of xxxxx AFB, where on any given day there are probably a few Megatons of atimbums passing through, plus, it is on the Ground Zero target list of every nuclear power except India. Probably have 100MT of ICBMs and SLCMs with "Mayretta" written on the Delivery Address label.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 08 Nov 2016 17:42

Interesting take from various countries.

Tell us: As America votes, how will the U.S. election impact your country?

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 08 Nov 2016 17:51

Do you guys remember one Lefty Filthy writer in REDIFF wanted Bill Clinton to bomb the sh1t out of India for nuclear tests in 1988.

I can't remember that guy's name but he choked to death in some lefty meeting in some European country.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 08 Nov 2016 17:54

Praful Bidwai. Choked on a fishbone in the Netherlands.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 08 Nov 2016 18:05

Oh yeah! I wish the same thing for Darkha Butt

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 08 Nov 2016 18:08

Paul wrote:Praful Bidwai. Choked on a fishbone in the Netherlands.

Talking of fish, a Chennai fish named Chanakya 3 has predicted Donald Trump will win the US Presidential election!! This prediction has been confirmed by a Chinese monkey!! There you go, these 2 animals should become pollsters!!.

Chinese Monkey and Indian Fish predict Donald Trump will win US Presidential elections

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 08 Nov 2016 18:15

Wait for few hours. It's over.

No more nonsense. Take a deep breath and say we all accept the result rigged or not. There is no other choice.

I learned one thing from Democratic campaign. Just plot, co-opt every one into the system and win at any cost. Take a lesson Sanders! Whoever you think is supporting might be secretly working for Hillary and destroying you.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 08 Nov 2016 18:17

What time result will be declared?

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 08 Nov 2016 18:23

Manish_Sharma wrote:What time result will be declared?

Late afternoon, 7/19/16.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 08 Nov 2016 18:26

The more I see, America is entering the Indian situation of low paying jobs, compromised and relatively divided elites, identity politics. Republican platform increasingly looks untenable in an increasingly low income country. How can a low taxes win against more food stamps? And if you have a brainwashed Delhi the size of UP (electorally), it is impossible for any small government platform to win.

A party which resembles closely with Congress will win. Congress tried all the things against Modi, which Democrats did against Trump. It is as if they all have the same Gurus (Berkley?). NaMo's RSS lifestyle may have saved him from being trumped.

habal · Post by **habal** » 08 Nov 2016 18:30

USA is 158 most corrupt country index

http://theduran.com/united-states-drops ... ncy-index/

USA wallahs will say it's all due to immigrants.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 08 Nov 2016 18:49

a desi sea captain once said to me that Canada was the most corrupt country he had been too - and most of the western countries were not far behind...

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 08 Nov 2016 19:46

disha wrote:Hmmmm... An irrational, paranoid and self-destructive fool is

1. Has some $3-4 Billion in wealth
2. Has some iconic landmarks in his name
3. Has a great family (which even his opponent publicly acknowledged)

I thought it was $10 bn? The answer would be in his tax returns, no?

'Great' family? Okay. I don't think five children (ages 38 to 10) from three different women, the ~~last~~latest being a glamour model who's 24 years his junior, is really a postcard family but sure.

I don't think anyone has any issues with his family anyway. Well... the environmentalists/naturalists might with his 'big game hunting' sons but whatever.

Billions in wealth and 'iconic landmarks'... also applies to Paris Hilton.

Question is, how much did he inherit, when did he inherit it, what is his current worth and what did the S&P 500 clock during the period. Only that'll tell us how successful he is. All answers buried in his tax records, while he intends to be the first candidate since 1976 not to release them.

Just being rich is meaningless. I'm betting there are plenty of BRFites who's investments/businesses have yielded a far superior rate of growth/return, but aren't billionaires because they weren't born with a silver spoon, and had to grow from a small base.

And in the republican primaries., ran as an outsider in a total 17 person field and beat each of them fair and square and in the process broke the all-time record of winning the most primary votes.

Sunday Night Football averages between 10 & 20 million viewers. Keeping up with the Kardashians? About 5 mil or so. PBS Frontline? Less than 750K.

So to call such a person a 'fool' just because he sees an opportunity which is later exploited is pure foolishness and intellectual dishonesty.

Nobody calling him a fool 'just because he sees an opportunity'. He's being called a fool because pitted against the weakest Dem candidate since Walter Mondale, he's shown a remarkable unwillingness to stop the dumb self-destructive antics.

If Kellyanne Conway hadn't taken away his Twitter account, stopped most of his press interviews and ensured his stump speeches came off the teleprompter, his unrestrained mouth would have blown fresh new holes in his campaign boat by now.

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 08 Nov 2016 19:50

brar_w wrote:Last Florida EV update given that most of the data for Sunday is in. This is a demographic data on Early Voting compared to 2012 :

- White : + 900,000 ( +27%)
- Hispanic : +454,000 ( +87%)
- AA : + 71,000 (9.2%)
- Others : +121,000 (48%)

Obama's last minute Florida push seems to have worked to get more AA's out early. 2 Sunday's and 2 "Souls to the Polls " would have also contributed in these higher numbers since there was only one EV Sunday in 2012. However, this is likely to be partly due to cannibalization as most expect the overall AA turnout to be a few percentage points lower than 2012.

These numbers don't look good for Trump (when 40% of the higher EV turnout is fueled by non-whites) or the GOP's GOTV effort which has improved but so far has not been shown to be as effective as the democrats when it comes to getting low propensity voters out early ( those that have not voted in the last 3 elections (President and non-presidential) or have voted in 1 of 3). High early turnout amongst hight propensity voters generally points to cannibalization. The higher white turnout is merely keeping pace with the overall increase in EV and not adding significantly to the overall %age from 2012. In fact, this is the most diverse EV electorate Florida has ever had with white %age of the EV vote-share down from 2012.

Trump would need to bring out massive number of white voters today to compensate. As I had mentioned earlier, the number to watch is Dade and Broward turnout. If more than 1.2 Million people vote in Dade, Florida it could be game over. Florida could still go either way!

A slight correction. I had wrongly assumed that with 900,000 additional white voters voting early, they would have matched their %age (through EV) of total EV+ED from 2012. They haven't. Its come down from 67% to 65.7%. Trump pollsters had been claiming a demographic more representative of 2000 or 2008 compared to 2012 which would mean total white voter share of the electorate between 70-71%. Another trend is that while turnout has been high across the state, its been much higher in South and Central Florida where the white voters split differently than the northern parts of the state.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 08 Nov 2016 20:03

OT
quick OT post, Prime Minister Modi will address the nation now at 8:00 PM

OT off

Thanks Brar

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 08 Nov 2016 20:33

A few days ago some here were suggesting that NV was in the 'bag' for Trump..This is what the person in-charge of conspiracy theories for the campaign has to say about the campaign in NV -

ROGER STONE: Nevada I think is problematic. Frankly Trump has run one of the worst campaigns in modern political history in the state and the crew there is really left over from the primary, these old Americans for Prosperity folks. Nice people just don't argue about politics and actual getting elected. So I'm disappointed with the campaign there. On the other hand if we have a tide, even Nevada could sweep for Trump.

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 08 Nov 2016 20:48

Some nice trolling here -

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 08 Nov 2016 21:34

Britshits showing themselves for what they are.... turds

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 08 Nov 2016 22:49

Sometimes you have to make sure.."Trust but Verify"

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 08 Nov 2016 23:01

Dinesh S wrote: I am not sure how exactly you consider this unsustainable swamp of high divorce rates , single mother rates, low tfr and the consequent high time rates as "advanced society".

I should have put it in quotes. Advanced as in stage of development, not a value judgement of what kind of society is preferable. I agree with you that the consensus of 'western universalism' as the best choice is ridiculous. That said, hopefully other societies will show the way, like Bharat, but for that Bharat has to get over its own mental colonization and forge a new modernity based on its civilizational ethos. That is very early in the game there.

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 08 Nov 2016 23:10

Dinesh S wrote:

Trans Atlantic trade happened at what 17th century? So blacks have been enslaved for 3 centuries? Hindus have been dhimmis under muslims/british rule for 10 centuries. So Why could hindus achieve in usa while blacks are struggling?

Btw, interesting fact i came across this issue- for all the talk about liberalism, women empowerment, "insert liberal buzzword" in usa and western world, the majority of taxes are still being paid by men( i think to the tune of 60%). But the majority of drawing from the welfare states are by women(i think to the tune of 60%). So nothing much has actually changed because of liberalism in western world other than making women there miserable and alone. Before this advent of feminism and its march to destroy family, men earned most of the wealth and gave to women to raise families through family. Now because of feminism, men earn most of the wealth and give to women for raising families through government. Of course in the case of latter, the child is raised without a father and hence with all the added bonuses of being raised without a father like high crime rate, incarceration , poverty etc.

Regarding Pakis, yeah well that is one reason why i don't think the answer is strict religion either. After all, i am pretty sure pakis have as low a divorce rates as hindus and yet still fare poorly in usa. So we need to know what makes the indian communties to do better in usa and have prevented indian society from decaying into chaos like africa has. It must be the combination of religion and it's strong traditional values in science and education( how many religions do you know have separate deities for education and knowledge like Hindus?)

So comparing Indians in the USA with African Americans is not a valid one. Indians in the US are selected by immigration policy to be the most educated in the hardest disciplines from India: Engineering, Science, Medicine, Technology. If the US allowed the hordes of illiterate peasants from the countryside or the roadside beggars to migrate here, I doubt they would rack up the highest incomes and all magically complete college and become Google CEOs in one generation.

Similarly, comparisons to Africa are also uninteresting: even if you 'prove' Indians are 'superior' to Africans, what do you achieve, other than propagating more racism against them. Haven't they suffered enough? Besides, in many metrics, many African countries are ahead of India anyway, so the picture is not completely one of dominance by India by any means. As far as Indian society being in chaos like Africa, it depends where you look in India too. Ultimately, I think you will find it a mixed bag.

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 08 Nov 2016 23:15

MurthyB garu, he has already made up his mind. Dont think there is anything else to do than agree to disagree.

Unfortunate to see indian folks having no idea of the root causes of American identity fracture commenting along the same lines, year after year. Different folks, same views.

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 09 Nov 2016 00:14

^^^ It's all good. Discussion between nationalists

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 09 Nov 2016 00:45

Swing state EV stats-

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 09 Nov 2016 01:00

In that pic above... is he copyin or verifyin?

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 09 Nov 2016 01:11

Austin wrote:
Kashi wrote:Interesting that most Indian-Americans and Pakistani-Americans are united in their support of Hillary.
Thats probably because it would benefit those thousand of NRI businessman out there , Its more of a personal gain for many of these people because of business link , I just saw news clipping of Mr Chatwal a Big hotelier professing his friendship with hillary and how he knew her for long time and how donald trump would throw all the NRI kids out of country

These folks are more interested in their personal wealth enrichment due to their contacts then any real concern or benefit for India , ofcourse they always use the countrys name for their gains

Is this a copy&paste from 'PF' discussion ...from a few months back

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 09 Nov 2016 01:37

brar_w wrote:Sometimes you have to make sure.."Trust but Verify"

Come on! That's "Follow The Leader".

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 09 Nov 2016 01:41

brar_w wrote:Swing state EV stats

70 and 71% early votes? That's fraud, pure and simple.
70% of any population does **NOT** get their act together to do anything "Early". Least of all something like Voting. Not Nevada voters, not CalTech or MIT or IIT or Georgia Tech undergraduates.
Either a lot of real voters are going to find today that they have "already" voted, or a great many dead people have Risen Again. UBCN is projecting Nevada and Florida to have 135 and 134 percent polling respectively, like Musharraf won 145% of the registered voters in Gujranwala.

Classic! Land Of The (Speaking) Fee, Home Of The (Prolific) Voter.

salaam · Post by **salaam** » 09 Nov 2016 01:45

Ladbrokes, right now:

2016 Election Winner
Hillary Clinton - 2/9
Donald Trump - 10/3
Evan McMullin - 500/1
Gary Johnson - 1000/1
Jill Stein - 1000/1

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 09 Nov 2016 02:46

70 and 71% early votes? That's fraud, pure and simple.

2012 NV EV share was 69%. Florida numbers are vs anticipated turnout/last year's numbers not total registered votes. Total registered voters in FL are well above 12 Million so compared to that number roughly 50% have voted Early or through Mail. They had Early voting going on since October 24, including 2 full weekends when their most populous counties voted. Roughly 1.6 million more Floridians have voted early or through mail this time around compared to 2012. GOP GOTV effort has seen their numbers spike up as well...In fact the difference between Registered Dems and Republicans isn't huge its the NPA's that are leading to the spike.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 09 Nov 2016 03:47

^^^^^FRAUD!!!

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 09 Nov 2016 03:50

UBCNews is calling the first results: State of Massachussetts to HiClinton.
State of Georgia to TrumPenZ
State of New Jersey to The Mafia
State of Nevada to The Mafia
State of Illinois to The Ummah
Stay tuned..

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 09 Nov 2016 03:52

UlanBatori wrote:
brar_w wrote:Sometimes you have to make sure.."Trust but Verify"
Come on! That's "Follow The Leader".

I think he was just worried that she could copy Michelle Obama again. Either that or he didn't want to be the only one to vote for him in Manhattan.

Apparently he's written two speeches one thanking his voters for for electing him POTUS and another with breaking, never before seen/heard evidence on Rafael Cruz's involvement in the Kennedy assisantion. He may also spend a few minutes on Je Bush's energy level.

Meanwhile the cake arrives at Trump Tower..

Primus · Post by **Primus** » 09 Nov 2016 04:57

I sadly predict a comfortable if not landslide win for HiC. It will be business as usual for the usual suspects.

Time to sit back, sip some Lagavulin and watch the drama play out

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 09 Nov 2016 05:27

Broward County Florida just broke its all time record for most votes ever cast in the county. As of 6 PM the tally was at 830,000 votes, around 75,000 votes more than 2012. An hour of voting still to go, plus whosoever is still in line. At this rate Broward will surpass 2012's DADE totals. Miami-Dade County was close to a million votes cast at 6:00PM. That's a 130,000 more votes than 2012 with an hour to go.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Nov 2016 05:36

Amrut Fusion for me.

Am hosing a couple of young law graduates for election results.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 09 Nov 2016 05:48

Trump is whining about rigging. I know what it means

ssundar · Post by **ssundar** » 09 Nov 2016 05:53

Nevada thing does sound like some "adjustment" if not rigging.

Massive Latino/Hispanic turnout in the states where they matter. Trump is not gonna get those states.

brar_w · Post by **brar_w** » 09 Nov 2016 05:55

Nevada thing does sound like some "adjustment" if not rigging.

Folks in line can vote even after polls close. If Trump wants to point to anything (adjustment or rigging) he has to show that they let people line up even after the close. His law-suit just got tossed. These are folks that were registered to vote so he isn't complaining that illegals are voting only that folks that could vote were allowed to vote for allegedly 2 hours after the close of polling during the early voting period. It isn't unusual to have 1-3 hours of wait times in big cities particularly when turnout is high. I have a feeling that this election isn't going to come to a few polling stations in Vegas...

Heavy latino population always makes NV hard to poll since many don't speak english. Last time the polls were off by 3%, and 8 years ago by 10%. Both the times the polls failed to fully capture the true hispanic turnout. Trump nearly needed to draw 90+% of the white eligible population to stand a chance..I had said a couple of days ago that going to Reno on Saturday (or was it Fri?) was not a wise decision given what happened in Clark County in EV the night before. White's however aren't voting as a monolithic block..Hispanics apparently are...I wonder why ??

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 09 Nov 2016 06:05

Huma Abedin votes in full burka