Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

[pankajs]

No no saars .... going by what has been posted Erdogan is doing a balancing act wonlee ...

Situation @LOC, Dialogue ...

[g.sarkar]

Another Turkish delight is to bring up the Armenian massacre, along with the treatment of Kurds in modern Turkey. If you ignore him, the ah will think that is ok for him to open his mouth on any topic.
Gautam

[ArunK]

Folks,

Please don't bother with Edrogan. he has made himself the laughing stock of the world by his massive over-reaction.

On an unrealted matter, Gen. Raheel Sharif has siad the following:

httpxx://tribune.com.pk/story/1236061/ceasefire-violations-india-suffering-mounting-losses-corps-commander/

“Only 20 of our soldiers embraced martyrdom while they lost more than 40 soldiers,” the corps commander told a selected gathering of parliamentarians and journalists in Gilgit.

See now 7 became 20 in a few days it will reach the true number because he will have to explain the deaths to the family members.

[anupmisra]

Folks,

“Only 20 of our soldiers embraced martyrdom while they lost more than 40 soldiers,” the corps commander told a selected gathering of parliamentarians and journalists in Gilgit.

So, it is now confirmed that the pakis lost 20. We have now heard it from the horse's mouth. Strange that Raa@heel made this statement in PoK.

[anupmisra]

Indian foreign secretary should call in the Turkish ambassador and ask for clarity on the Turkish position vis a vis Cashmere in Erdogan's rants. I read somewhere that Turkish army officers posted in various European nations as part of Nato are now seeking political asylums in those nations.

[khan]

The Raheel Sharif strategy might be to humiliate him so that the next Chief is deterred from being provocative. After all H&D is their most prized possession.

[yensoy]

Indian foreign secretary should call in the Turkish ambassador and ask for clarity on the Turkish position vis a vis Cashmere in Erdogan's rants. I read somewhere that Turkish army officers posted in various European nations as part of Nato are now seeking political asylums in those nations.

No this remark is best ignored. Talk is cheap and Erdogan needs whatever support he can get so he is saying some inanities to keep Pakis happy. Turkey will be around for a long time, Erdogan won't, so no point antagonizing them unless they actually act against our interests. Of course no freebies for them either like Turkish Airlines rights to other cities etc.

[ArunK]

For the record. It is not Raheel Sharif who said that about losing 20 Paki Soldiers. Apologies.

It is Commander of 10 Corps Lieutenant-General Malik Zafar Iqbal.

[Peregrine]

Four reported killed in Indian firing across Line of Control

Three young girls and a teenage boy were killed and three other people, including a minor girl, were injured as Indian troops shelled villages in Azad Kashmir along the Line of Control (LoC) on Saturday, residents and officials said.

Cheers

[Peregrine]

PIA diverts flight to Manchester to unclog choked toilets
KARACHI: A Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) flight – PK-798 – *heading to Lahore from Toronto* was diverted to Manchester due to choked toilets on Saturday.

The national flag carriers said in a statement that the plane’s toilets got clogged after ‘unidentified’ passengers dumped something solid into it. PIA said that all the toilets on the plane had been consequently affected as 'they were connected to a common drain line'.

The airline – while regretting the inconvenience caused to passengers –said that the toilets would be serviced **before the flight resumes its journey to Toronto.** It further said that the PIA’s chairman had reiterated the need for passengers to read the guidelines present in aircraft lavatories.

1. Have heard the term "Shittin' Bricks. ""Dumping solid" is a new one!

2. The cant make up their mind : Is it *heading to Lahore from Toronto* from Manchester? or is it **before the flight resumes its journey to Toronto.**? Cheers

[aditya]

...PIA’s chairman had reiterated the need for passengers to read the guidelines present in aircraft lavatories.

So every passenger on a PIA flight is expected to be familiar with the Pakistani constitution?

[yensoy]

Four reported killed in Indian firing across Line of Control

Three young girls and a teenage boy were killed and three other people, including a minor girl, were injured as Indian troops shelled villages in Azad Kashmir along the Line of Control (LoC) on Saturday, residents and officials said.

Cheers

Humanity, my friend, that is the way of the dharma... Please don't cheer the deaths of random civilians, especially children. Paki soldiers are fair targets, even adult males who could be terrorist enablers with high probability.

[LokeshC]

Thats his signature that gets automatically added.

[yensoy]

PIA diverts flight to Manchester to unclog choked toilets

2. The cant make up their mind : Is it *heading to Lahore from Toronto* from Manchester? or is it **before the flight resumes its journey to Toronto.**? Cheers

That was a major divert https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 98#ba8518e. Wow what a huge waste of everything because some idiot threw a diaper or a bag of cocaine into the toilet. But wait, this flight was returning from Toronto so presumably the passengers would be a little less uncouth than the ones in the opposite direction, having stayed some length of time in "North America". Probably the diaper was stuck for longer than previously thought.

[yensoy]

Thats his signature that gets automatically added.

Oh sorry, I am unpadh in these matters...

[Gagan]

Poof !

[Falijee]

PIA diverts flight to Manchester to unclog choked toilets
KARACHI: A Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) flight – PK-798 – *heading to Lahore from Toronto* was diverted to Manchester due to choked toilets on Saturday.

The national flag carriers said in a statement that the plane’s toilets got clogged after ‘unidentified’ passengers dumped something solid into it. PIA said that all the toilets on the plane had been consequently affected as 'they were connected to a common drain line'.

The airline – while regretting the inconvenience caused to passengers –said that the toilets would be serviced **before the flight resumes its journey to Toronto.** It further said that the PIA’s chairman had reiterated the need for passengers to read the guidelines present in aircraft lavatories.

1. Have heard the term "Shittin' Bricks. ""Dumping solid" is a new one!

2. The cant make up their mind : Is it *heading to Lahore from Toronto* from Manchester? or is it **before the flight resumes its journey to Toronto.**? Cheers

PEREGRINE- JI :


FYI :
1.IMO, From a strictly "safety" point of view, this (clogged toiletPeshabkhana )would be termed a "minor irritant", considering that Pakis are a "hardy lot " and their "tolerance level" is much higher than this

2. A few years ago, a PIA plane -( carrying "future hajjis" to Mecca ), I heard - averted a major disaster , as one of the "hajjis" had brought a propane stove on board , and was ready to cook his "aloo gosht", but was "stopped" in the nick of time

3. My suggestion to "solve" these kind of problems:
Each and every PIA passenger , boarding from Pakiland cities, should be able to "produce" a literacy certificate ( in Urdu, English and if possible Arabic ) as well as undergo an on-line "basic course on air travel " , before they are allowed to board a PIA plane . The insurance companies ( insuring the aeroplane ) should take notice and insist on such drastic measures

[Falijee]

Indian quadcopter shot down by Pakistani forces near LoC:

ISPR - ( suspect source !)
Dawn.com — Updated about 4 hours ago

An Indian quadcopter was shot down by Pakistani military forces on Saturday evening along the Line of Control (LoC) at Aagahi Post in Rakhchakri sector, the military's media wing claimed.

Inter-Services Public Relations chief Lt Gen Asim Bajwa tweeted in this regard, saying the Indian quadcopter had violated Pakistani airspace and came 60 metres inside the territory after which it was targeted by Pakistani troops.
Bajwa said the quadcopter was brought down over violation of Pakistan's territorial integrity and that it has been "taken over" by Pakistani forces.

This is not the first suspected spy drone shot down in Pakistani territory originating out of India. Last year in July, Pakistan military shot down Indian 'spy drone' which violated the Pakistan air space along the LoC in Bhimber, Azad Kasmir.
In 2002, Pakistan Air Force shot down a spy drone near Kasur. Military officials claimed at the time that it was an Israeli operated drone flying out from Indian territory.The military maintains that the 'spy drones' are used for aerial photography.

So, Bajwa is working ( and tweeting ) overtime to bringing to notice " the robust response " from the Paki jawans to any "Indian aggression"

[Falijee]

Being An Ahmedi In Pakistan Has Its Own Advantage
Pakistani Muslims face charges for posing as non-Muslims to sell Liquor

Two Pakistani Muslims are facing charges for selling alcohol in the conservative Muslim country by pretending to be non-Muslims. In Pakistan, a permit is required by non-Muslims to buy and sell liquor.According to the charges filed by Pakistan’s Customs Department in Islamabad High court, Brothers Ishtiaq Ahmad and Aamir Malik illegally obtained a Liquor License by pretending to be Ahmadis, a minority Muslim sect declared non-Muslim under Pakistani law.

The brothers bought a suspended liquor license in 2014 by paying off customs employees and posing as Ahmadis by submitting written testimonies. Afte getting the license they registered a company under the name of ‘Sun Diplomatic WareHouse’ and started importing expensive liquor. The brothers are also accused of evading tax of Rs 980 million on the imported liquor by paying off customs officers.The same case was dismissed by a judge earlier this year after the brothers submitted another affidavit in the court stating that they were (Ahmadis) and hence non-Muslims. However, the Customs Department has appealed the decision citing evidence from Government records which shows that the brothers, in fact, are Muslim.

Ahmedis are considered non-Muslims by Pakistan and therefore allowed to partake the SHARAB !

[Bhurishravas]

Indian foreign secretary should call in the Turkish ambassador and ask for clarity on the Turkish position vis a vis Cashmere in Erdogan's rants. I read somewhere that Turkish army officers posted in various European nations as part of Nato are now seeking political asylums in those nations.

No this remark is best ignored. Talk is cheap and Erdogan needs whatever support he can get so he is saying some inanities to keep Pakis happy. Turkey will be around for a long time, Erdogan won't, so no point antagonizing them unless they actually act against our interests. Of course no freebies for them either like Turkish Airlines rights to other cities etc.

We should do or say nothing against Xi Jinping because he wont be around for long. In fact we shouldnt do or say anything about anybody because after all , noone can live forever.
Erdogan is an islamist. He is fairly popular in Turkey. He is changing the constitution to rule till 2029.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turke ... SKBN13B1BK

Turkey has been opposing india`s entry into the NSG not to mention continued rhetoric on Kashmir. Has been giving arms to Pakistan. More than Saudi Arabia or Gulf states it is Turkey that has been supporting pakistani interets in the region.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/j ... 130768.ece

[gakakkad]

2. A few years ago, a PIA plane -( carrying "future hajjis" to Mecca ), I heard - averted a major disaster , as one of the "hajjis" had brought a propane stove on board , and was ready to cook his "aloo gosht", but was "stopped" in the nick of time

wtf......i want the linky...gimme gimme....this is fun...

[g.sarkar]

So every passenger on a PIA flight is expected to be familiar with the Pakistani constitution?

Yes sir, that is what Khizr Khan said.
Gautam

[manjgu]

well, the problem of clogged toilets is also very common on IA international flts espicially to gulf.. this is a Indian subcontinent problem. lets not gloat over the incident in PIA plane. though cooking 'chicken biryani' inside the plane is of a totally different nature.

[shiv]

well, the problem of clogged toilets is also very common on IA international flts espicially to gulf.. this is a Indian subcontinent problem. lets not gloat over the incident in PIA plane. though cooking 'chicken biryani' inside the plane is of a totally different nature.

One of the fundamental pillars of psy ops is not to admit one's own failures - which is the exact opposite of dharma which ordinarily calls for honesty and avoidance of arrogance or boastfulness. A dharmic ad for McDonalds would say "We sell junk food, and we understand that we are no better than KFC in that department, but please give us a chance"

However in the Pakistan thread it just does not do to say "Do not be critical of Pakistan. Remove the beam in your eye before you look at the mote in mine, "Doosron ki jay se pehle khud ko jay karein" . The thread is designed to talk about Pakistan and not lament about how similar we are being the same people

Just sayin...

[shiv]

Humanity, my friend, that is the way of the dharma... Please don't cheer the deaths of random civilians, especially children. Paki soldiers are fair targets, even adult males who could be terrorist enablers with high probability.

Blind "Humanity" is not the way of dharma. Defeating adharma is.

On the topic of dharma, what does dharma say when Pakistani soldiers embed themselves among the civilian population and then shoot at our people. Would dharma stop us from hitting them? Or would dharma call for hitting them and accepting civilian casualties? Or would dharma admit that civilians and soldiers are killed, celebrate one and not the other? Or not admit that some damage is being done on the other side?

The guidelines of dharma essentially call for defeating adharma. Pakistan is adharmic on so many counts apart from soldiers hiding among a civilian population - so the destruction of adharma would always call for cheer. No?

[abhijitm]

Humanity, my friend, that is the way of the dharma... Please don't cheer the deaths of random civilians, especially children. Paki soldiers are fair targets, even adult males who could be terrorist enablers with high probability.

Unlike india pakis have settled their civilians almost touching the LOC. This is to hide behind them while hitting our soldiers. Collateral damage is eminent. Every death of their civilian is on them. Our dharma is to protect our civilians by provide befitting reply without holding back.

[yensoy]

No this remark is best ignored. Talk is cheap and Erdogan needs whatever support he can get so he is saying some inanities to keep Pakis happy. Turkey will be around for a long time, Erdogan won't, so no point antagonizing them unless they actually act against our interests. Of course no freebies for them either like Turkish Airlines rights to other cities etc.

We should do or say nothing against Xi Jinping because he wont be around for long. In fact we shouldnt do or say anything about anybody because after all , noone can live forever.
Erdogan is an islamist. He is fairly popular in Turkey. He is changing the constitution to rule till 2029.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turke ... SKBN13B1BK

Turkey has been opposing india`s entry into the NSG not to mention continued rhetoric on Kashmir. Has been giving arms to Pakistan. More than Saudi Arabia or Gulf states it is Turkey that has been supporting pakistani interets in the region.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/j ... 130768.ece

Our level of response says a lot about what we want to say.

Asking young Ms Gambhir to make what might have been her first public speech at UNGA in response to Sharif's rants was a message in itself. Junior-most first secretary versus PM. That's we think of you guys, you are not worth our time and nobody is taking you seriously anyway.

Likewise Erdogan, known Islamist that the world has mostly condemned. He is busy digging his own grave, why give him any leverage by escalating our response?

Xi is not the analogy here. Xi is from the long line of CPC, and that lineage will continue after Xi.

[Prem]

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1237016/irr ... d-3-years/

Nearly 250,000 Pakistani migrants deported in 3 years

ISLAMABAD: Nearly 250,000 Pakistanis have been deported, mostly from Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates over the past three years, the Federal Investigation Agency statistics revealed on Saturday.According to the Labour Migration from Pakistan: 2015 Status Report’ through Deportation Statistics, a total of 242,817 irregular Pakistani migrants have been deported between 2012 and 2015. The largest number of deportations, 73,064 to be precise, took place in 2014, while the year 2010 witnessed the smallest number of deportations (46,032).Majority of the irregular migrants — 131,643) – have been deported from Saudi Arabia followed by the United Arab Emirates (32,458), Iran (28,684, Oman (17,248), Greece (14,145), the United Kingdom (9,778), and Malaysia (8,861).Most of the deportees from Saudi Arabia and the UAE were job-seekers and businessmen, while those sent back from Iran were in transit to Greece. Deportations from Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) countries are attributed mainly to security-related issues, the report reveals.These statistics suggest that deportations are on the rise and the trend might be indicative of an increase in the trafficking of persons and smuggling of migrants.The report says that around 513,231 individuals have been deported from different countries between 2007 and 2015, registering a year-wise upwards trend.From 2005-2006 to 2014-2015, around 932,051 migrant workers had been stranded in destination countries due to a lack of proper documentation and subsequently deported. The largest number of stranded Pakistanis, 882,887 to be precise, had been deported from Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, followed by Doha, Qatar (4,200).

[Falijee]

Qatari prince issued permit for hunting protected houbara bustard

Sounds to me, like a creepy deal :
Ganja Sharif obtains- for the benefit of the Supreme Court ( which is "investigating" the Panama-gate scandal ) an affidavit from a Qatari Prince, which "conveniently explains" the source of funds used to purchase his expensive London property, which presently houses his son; the Paki Supreme Court "buys" this "fairy tale" (after all it is Ganja Court , not the Supreme Court! ). And in no time, as a quid pro quo, a Qatari Prince ( not necessary the same one !) is "conveniently" issued a hunting permit for the protected houbara -bustard. Sounds too much of a co-incidence .

PS: According to Arab lore, the consumption of a certain part of the houbara- bustard is equivalent of to the western version of Vix gra

[arun]

Daily Times reports that the terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan ranks way behind India in English Language proficiency:

Pakistan ranks 48th place on English language skills : Netherlands tops EF’s annual EPI while India secures 22nd position out of 72 ‘graded’ countries

So much for General Pervez Musharraf’s statement during his tenure as the Military Dictator of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan that “We speak better English than the Indians" :

We speak better English than Indians: Musharraf

Maybe the poor ranking in comparison to India is that given CPEC and the banning of Bollywood Movies, the citizens of the Islamic Republic are more into Mandarin, Persian and Turkish or alternatively this is a Hindu/Jewish/Christist plot orchestrated by RAW/Mossad/CIA to malign Pakistan and Mohamaddenism .

[SSridhar]

‘Pak. cannot control terrorism on its soil’ - The Hindu

Pakistan can no longer control terrorism on its soil, believes former National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon, as terrorism is “hard-wired into Pakistan’s society and polity.”

“I am not so sure that it’s any longer within Pakistan’s capacity to stop terrorism”, he said speaking to a television channel on Saturday.

Sounding a warning note on Pakistan’s nuclear capabilities, Mr. Menon, who served as High Commissioner to Pakistan before he was Foreign Secretary and then the NSA, said that the likelihood of tactical nuclear weapons being used against India has increased, with “younger officers in an Army that is increasingly religiously motivated and less and less professional and that has consistently produced rogue officers and staged coups against its own leaders.”

According to a release from TV Today’s “To The Point” programme, Mr. Menon said that this, in turn, meant that there was an increased possibility of an “all-out nuclear war when India retaliates against tactical nuclear weapons with massive retaliation of its own.”

No First Use policy

However, the former National Security Adviser also hit out at Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar’s suggestion last week that India’s No First Use (NFU) policy should be reconsidered, adding that the Defence Minister doesn’t have a right to voice “personal opinions” on nuclear policy in public “when that opinion contradicts the official policy of the country,” {which is totally correct. He made that statement at a wrong time too when our PM was about to sign the deal with Japan which fructified after quite a negotiation} the TV channel added.

[Bhurishravas]

Likewise Erdogan, known Islamist that the world has mostly condemned. He is busy digging his own grave, why give him any leverage by escalating our response?

The world has mostly been bowing to him. Russia is doing business as usual. So is US. So is China. EU is paying billions to keep Migrants away. Iran is dealing with him. So is GCC. Heck, even israel recently reestablished diplomatic ties. You perhaps live in another world.
And how exactly is he digging his own grave?! By accumulating more power?!

Your ways are even beyond Gandhian.
Enjoy. tata

[Falijee]

GENERAL RAHEEL SHAREEF ON TWITTER :

Day1: killed Indian army
Day2: defeated submarine
Day3: took out drone
Day4: landed on mars before India
Oye Bajwa, [*]did we make it oscars??

[*] Of the "famous" ISPR fauji propa-ghandu machine !

[CRamS]

‘Pak. cannot control terrorism on its soil’ - The Hindu

So the natural corollary according to this line of thinking then is "engagement", more pee-pee contact? This is the WKK line of argument. Suits TSP and their 3.5 just fine.

I don't agree with the premise one bit. TSPA has pretty much wiped out bad Talibunnies. The India-specific pigLeTs cannot operate without logistical and other help from TSPA. In fact, pigLets are a para military wing of TSPA in that they are willing to undertake daring suicidal missions. But this guy does make one important point and that is there is no such thing as TSPA/ISI are against p!ss but TSP people are for bhai bhai. Terror against India is a national scared duty imbibed into the veins of every TSP abdul, from Raheel Sheriff to the suicidal Abdul. And the dream of flying their Paki flag over the red fort in New Delhi is their abiding passion. For them nationhood means undoing of India. These are all elementary truths that Indians must first be told by their leaders, not this crap about eye-eye-yo we have no choice but to "engage". That squalid mantra is anyway being peddled by India's supposed "friends" like Uncle.

[yensoy]

The world has mostly been bowing to him. Russia is doing business as usual. So is US. So is China. EU is paying billions to keep Migrants away. Iran is dealing with him. So is GCC. Heck, even israel recently reestablished diplomatic ties. You perhaps live in another world.
And how exactly is he digging his own grave?! By accumulating more power?!

Your ways are even beyond Gandhian.
Enjoy. tata

Erdogan is not our fight. Stay focussed on the ball, don't get distracted by a random rant (which was delivered to keep the host happy). Add his statement to the "tab" that we keep for each country, but respond at a time and place of our choosing. We can't have knee jerk responses - predictability ties our hands up. Gandhian or not, it's more Confucian/Chanakyan. Anyway this is a useless discussion any further.

[yensoy]

Blind "Humanity" is not the way of dharma. Defeating adharma is.

The guidelines of dharma essentially call for defeating adharma. Pakistan is adharmic on so many counts apart from soldiers hiding among a civilian population - so the destruction of adharma would always call for cheer. No?

My comment about dharma was in reference to what I (mistakenly) perceived as a gloat regarding the minors killed by shelling; I did not comment about their deaths itself. As a fellow member pointed out, I mistook the signature as a comment and I have already apologised for the mistake.

[Bhurishravas]

The world has mostly been bowing to him. Russia is doing business as usual. So is US. So is China. EU is paying billions to keep Migrants away. Iran is dealing with him. So is GCC. Heck, even israel recently reestablished diplomatic ties. You perhaps live in another world.
And how exactly is he digging his own grave?! By accumulating more power?!

Your ways are even beyond Gandhian.
Enjoy. tata

Erdogan is not our fight. Stay focussed on the ball, don't get distracted by a random rant (which was delivered to keep the host happy). Add his statement to the "tab" that we keep for each country, but respond at a time and place of our choosing. We can't have knee jerk responses - predictability ties our hands up. Gandhian or not, it's more Confucian/Chanakyan. Anyway this is a useless discussion any further.

Yeah. We should stay focused on Pukistan only.

Random rant to keep the host happy.

You are right. It is a waste of time indeed.

[Falijee]

Old news, but still relevant in this day and age of Panama-gate Scandal !

Zardari ' s Henchman, Rehman Malik ( Ex FIR) Reveals Extent Of Ganja Sharif's Massive Corruption And Loot Of National Assets

POSTED IN FULL!
Search for the millions Sharif 'stole'
Paul Farrelly in London and Jason Burke in Raiwind
Sunday 24 October 1999 01.14 BST

They tortured Rehman Malik by placing his hands and feet on ice for up to an hour at a time at a 'safe house' in Islamabad. Three years on, he still has trouble feeling sensations in his palms and soles from the punishment, meted out in black masks, by Nawaz Sharif's heavies.
His neck, too, bears the painful crick from a year spent in solitary confinement in a tiny cell at Rawalpindi's Adila jail with a brick wrapped in newspapers for a pillow. Malik, in mortal fear of convicted terrorists and official hatchet men, found his monthly half-hour visit from his seven-year-old son his single comfort.Three times following his arrest in November 1996 the courts ordered Malik's release. Each time he was re-arrested on trumped up charges until, after 12 months of humiliation, the Pakistani Supreme Court itself ruled his detention illegal.Malik's crime? To have been the deputy head of the Federal Investigation Agency (FIA), Pakistan's equivalent of the FBI, investigating allegations of massive corruption by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, his family and cronies.

In Pakistan, it is impossible to politically survive, without a "Godfather", so to say; therefore, this aspiring politico hitched his wagon to the (equally corrupt !) Bhutto- Zardari clan and was "rewarded" with the post of Minister of Interior by Dus Percenti !

At 46, he was the youngest officer to reach such a senior rank, the equivalent of an army major-general. In a 20-year career, Malik had gained an impressive reputation in the West for anti-terrorist expertise, including investigation of the 1993 World Trade Centre bombing in New York and of Saudi fundamentalist Osama bin Laden. And, after Malik's inquiries were publicised by The Observer last year, he started a ball rolling which culminated in the coup against Sharif. 'I have suffered enormously from doing my duty as a civil servant. My friends, family and colleagues have been harassed. My life has been at risk,' Malik told The Observer in his first UK interview since fleeing Pakistan for London after an attempt on his life 15 months ago. '( In Pakistan, you don't know which way the political winds will blow, therefore this now wily politico has, like so many others like him, has purchased some insurance , the form of a British Passport - one leg in Londonsitan, one leg in Pakiland )I am not a politician, but I welcome the army's action. They have saved Pakistan from someone who was ruining the country. As a career officer, I would like to return to fulfil my official obligations as soon as possible.'He is also promising further explosive revelations, which will implicate Sharif and senior Muslim League politicians in allegedly creaming off more of the country's wealth overseas.

At 46, he was the youngest officer to reach such a senior rank, the equivalent of an army major-general. In a 20-year career, Malik had gained an impressive reputation in the West for anti-terrorist expertise, including investigation of the 1993 World Trade Centre bombing in New York and of Saudi fundamentalist Osama bin Laden. And, after Malik's inquiries were publicised by The Observer last year, he started a ball rolling which culminated in the coup against Sharif. 'I have suffered enormously from doing my duty as a civil servant. My friends, family and colleagues have been harassed. My life has been at risk,' Malik told The Observer in his first UK interview since fleeing Pakistan for London after an attempt on his life 15 months ago. 'I am not a politician, but I welcome the army's action. They have saved Pakistan from someone who was ruining the country. As a career officer, I would like to return to fulfil my official obligations as soon as possible.'He is also promising further explosive revelations, which will implicate Sharif and senior Muslim League politicians in allegedly creaming off more of the country's wealth overseas.

In all this financial shenanigans, Ganja Sharif has been ably assisted by his close relative (Ishaq Dar ) , the London trained Chartered Accountant and present Finance Minister

They include $2.74m allegedly deposited in the account of an Essex-based Pakistani family at the Atlas BOT (Bank of Tokyo) Investment Bank in Lahore as security for loans to four Sharif family members. They also include $4.6m deposited at the Al Faysal Investment Bank in Islamabad as security for a loan to Hamza Board Mills, a paper and forestry firm in the Sharif family's Ittefaq group.Among all his amassed wealth, Sharif also appears to have concealed ownership of a Russian-made Ulan helicopter, which he used during election campaigns. The aircraft, worth more than $1m, was bought from an Arab prince, Sheikh Abdul Rehman Bin Nasir Al Thani of Qatar, in November 1996 color=#0000FF]( It seems that the corrupt Sharifs' owe a "lot" to the fanatical Qataris in fooling the gullible Aam Abduls as to the source of their millions- a Qatari Royal Prince has recently deposed in favour of Ganja in the corrupt Paki Supreme Court )[/color]and registered in Sharif's name at the Pakistani Civil Aviation Authority, according to official documents obtained by Malik. It was, however, not declared on Sharif's statutory filing of assets and liabilities to the country's Election Commission. 'This was a man who once told me he could not afford a second-hand Mercedes. How then could he buy a helicopter?' Malik asks.

Most explosive of all, however, is likely to be Malik's new investigation, which is almost concluded and alleges laundering of more than $100m offshore via a network of UK trusts, Swiss accounts and offshore havens including Liechtenstein.An Observer investigation has revealed other instances of alleged corruption during Sharif's last administration:

In an emergency budget after Pakistan's nuclear tests last year, import duties on luxury cars were cut from 325 per cent to 125 per cent. A week later they were restored. In between a friend of Sharif imported 80 cars.

In 1996 senior figures at Bankers Equity Limited, a finance house, granted a huge loan, believed to be more than £10m, to close associates of Sharif. Last summer the bank collapsed and several senior managers, including a friend of Sharif's, were arrested. The loan is outstanding.

After the 1997 elections the Sharif family, and their business concerns, were able to reschedule and renegotiate loans worth nearly £100m from eight banks. When ordered by courts to pay some back they surrendered 33 factories. Only one factory was fully operational, the rest closed, out of order, or both.

/size]quote]Sharif, his family and former Ministers have consistently dismissed the allegations as politically inspired.Sharif himself is still in 'preventative custody', as the army calls it, in a government guesthouse on the outskirts of Islamabad. General Pervez Musharraf, the self-appointed Chief xecutive of Pakistan, has not revealed his plans for the man ousted in a coup 10 days ago. Military sources say evidence is being gathered to put Sharif on trial for corruption and possibly treason. [/quote] As far as bringing Nawaz and his extended family to "justice" - for corruption- it could be said that Ganja has won and Mush has lost ( and so will Immy !)

Sharif's former residence, the 100-acre Raiwind estate, near the city of Lahore in eastern Pakistan, is widely seen as a symbol of the opulent lifestyle the Sharifs have led since their pursuit of power and wealth began to pay off 15 years ago. Last week The Observer was the first Western newspaper to visit it since Sharif's fall.Brand new roads lead out of Lahore, where the Sharifs have two other houses, to the walled 100-acre estate. A turning leads to a helicopter pad and a set of steel gates. Beyond is an open, grassy compound where five houses, all in white-washed villa style, lie in a rough circle around a man-made pond. Each has a huge colonnaded porch sheltering a £20,000 four-wheel drive Jeep. Two of the buildings are partially constructed as is a pool, though a lake stocked with fish is completed. There is a small zoo.

Public monies used to finance a "feudal lifestyle", including keeping a "private zoo", stocked with exotic animals and birds ( which is the "latest craze" in showing off your wealth - late Michael Jackson, as well as the old Kings and Queens of England were fond of this leisure pastime )

All the houses are similar, with deep red carpets and velvet curtains throughout. Sharif's own house is distinguished by the number of televisions - the Prime Minister was gadget crazy. Now army machine gunners have replaced the bodyguards who previously watched the compound's perimeter. And the muzzles of their weapons point in as much as out.Raiwind is, to the ousted Prime Minister's critics at least, a symbol of how his administration manipulated government to benefit itself.According to opposition spokesmen, Sharif has 'used public office for personal economic gain'. It is corruption, they say, even if it is within the letter of the law.

It also "helps" a lot if your younger and (clever) brother, Shahbaz is in charge of the most populous and powerful province of Pakistan !

Soon after coming to power for a second time in February 1997 Sharif declared the Raiwind site to be the 'Prime Minister's Camp Office' - his home away from the capital. The local municipal authority took on the estate's maintenance at an estimated annual cost of 40 million Pakistani rupees (£500,000) and built a new road for it, while the state has also supplied gas, electricity and a 200-line telephone exchange.Near Raiwind last week feelings were mixed about Sharif's fall. Many remain loyal to a man they see as a local boy made good. 'He has done a lot round here,' said Ahmadullah Ali, a farmer. 'He is a good man.' In the rough and tumble world of Pakistani politics Sharif may be down, but he still isn't out.

Although, much ( in world and Paki politics ) has happened since the publication of this report, it will be interesting to see how this is ultimately going to end for this corrupt (to the core ) family in this day of social media and increased political awareness .

[CRamS]

Ack-thoo

http://www.dnaindia.com/lifestyle/repor ... te-2274552

Can India and Pakistan be friends?

+1001^1001 for the Ack-thoo part.

The very spectacle of Indians holding such squalid debates even as TSP attacks with impunity is not going to impress anyone, least of all TSP, who must be laughing their arses off. At best it re-enforces the no action "argumentative Indian" narrative, and at worst, its a shameful display of delusion and cowardice. The more appropriate debate should be if and how to annihilate and disintegrate TSP.

I came across the following wet dream by one of Trump's SDRE side kicks saying that Trump will declare TSP a terrorist abomination that it is

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 468136.cms

First of all, this is so far from reality and in the realm of wild speculation that its funny ToILet would even publish it. But related to the above "debate", I won't be surprised if pretty soon UnDy or JNU or Jadhavpur or Osmania or any number of anti-Hindu infested institutions in India hold debates on why Trump is bad for "South Asia" because India will be too aggressive towards TSP and Trump will say India != TSP as opposed to India == TSP, or why Trump's pro-India leanings will be bad for Indian "secularism" because Hindu right will be emboldened. And Trump will actually be bemused as to why these guys are even talking about this when I have said nothing of the sort.

[Falijee]

( Raheel ) Going, Going, Gone ....
Summary for appointment of new COAS next week

ISLAMABAD: The Defence Ministry is likely to send a summary to Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif regarding new appointments in the Pakistan Army. Sources privy to the development said Defence Secretary Lt General (r) Zameerul Hassan Shah would send the names of four senior-most lieutenant generals to Nawaz for the appointment of new chairman joint chiefs of staff committee and chief of the army staff. Sources said Nawaz has consulted his family in this regard. He would host a farewell reception in the honour of the outgoing Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee General Rashad Mehmood and Chief of Army Staff General Raheel Sharif.

So, by the looks of this, Ganja is "firmly in the saddle" ; any chances still, of a coup, shou etc

The Prime Minister's House has started arrangements for this ceremony which will be attended by federal cabinet and parliamentary leaders as well, PM's House sources told Daily Times. They also said General Raheel Sharif is visiting army and ranger units and meeting soldiers and officers, which shows that he is not interested in an extension in his tenure.

Chief of General Staff Lieutenant General Zubair Mehmood Hayat is the senior most at the moment. He may be appointed as the new chairman joint chief of staff committee if decision taken on seniority. Lieutenant General Najibullah follows Zubair, but Najib has not commanded the corps. Multan Corps Commander Lieutenant General Ishfaq Nadeem, Bahawalpur Corps Commander Lieutenant General Mustafa Javed Ramday and Training and Evaluation Inspector General Lieutenant General Qamar Javed Bajwa are strong candidates for the army chief's office.

Hope that however, is appointed as the new COAS, the new person will go easy on Ganja vis -a -vis the Enchendee factor ; as far as policy matters ( India, Massa, Chini blothers, CPEC ) are concerned, nothing is going to be changed ; these areas will be the sole preserve of the Paki Fauj