Understanding the United States of America (USA) - IV

[Gus]

republicans once put John Bolton to UN...the guy wanted US to get out of UN. That's the importance they gave to that job.

[UlanBatori]

Happy Thanksgiving to my friends in the USA.
Thanksgiving is becoming popular in India also now.
Will start with a big thanks to this day which can help folks like me in India watch TV and have dinner with family without any office calls

where in India? Thanksgiving is uniquely new world and tied to specific history.
maybe he just got 2 days off as most of his work counterparts in US also took 2 days off.

One ThksGiving day (which is widely celebrated in Ulan Bator) I got a phone call. Since it was before the days when I could afford Caller ID I picked it up. It was long-distance, from the UQ. The caller sounded extremely worried, then very relieved to hear a human voice. He had been calling his business associates in the Yoo Ess with no luck, on a THURSDAY!! It was the height of the Cold War, 30 seconds to midnight on the DoomsDay Clock. He thought the US had been wiped out, and was calling a random number, any number, until he got a human voice.

BTW, ThanksGiving, according to my Dutch labmate of many decades ago, is widely celebrated in Oirope, esp. Holland. The Day when the Turkeys all confirmed that they were staying in the New World and not coming back.

[UlanBatori]

republicans once put John Bolton to UN...the guy wanted US to get out of UN. That's the importance they gave to that job.

Ah! I assume that is to sneer at the reality that the hated TrumpanZee has made a crucial international appointment to a desi wimmens, showing up those who hold that groveling before the Donkey Machine is the only thing that desis can/should do. Sad.

Yes, Bolton was a classic appointment that made Europeans celebrate ThanksGiving much more. Look at some others: Andrew Young, since Mayor of Atlanta after he got fired for violating the fatwa against meeting with the PLO. They named "International Boulevard" after him since he was the closest they could find to anything International in Atlanta since the International Airport. Muddlin' Halfbright, later SoS. Susan Rice, since NSA.

I think the difference is that the UN Amby reports directly to POTUS, not really to Foggy Bottom or SoS. So SoS may have the big office and title, but UN Amby has the ear (and boot) of the POTUS/WHOTUS.

Haley, with 8 years as State Guv and some international experience, would be positioned for a much more senior position if she wished. Interesting thing is that the 'Zee's Syria policy would seem to completely upend the last 10 years of Syria-bashing. Needs a completely new face used to calmly dealing with both perennial Racists and perennial Victims in a State which has near-bottom literacy as well as major plants of Boeing, GE, BMW and a host of other modern entities. Underestimating Halley is a nice way to look even more stupid than by overestimating HiC. Look at how she dealt with issues like the Stage (racist) Flag. Super diplomat. Bringing all those Nazis to the State was not so easy either.

[sampat]

anyone keeping up with #Pizzagate ?

Apparently reddit banned the community. Hillary seems to have lot of paedo in her circle
new community is on voat https://voat.co/v/pizzagate

I first read this last night but I wasn't completely convinced, more research was needed. It certainly seems very plausible but seeing I have no idea how to do this, I couldn't say for sure. But that just changed moments ago. I was browsing some links into known pedophiles associated with Hillary and her cohorts and needless to say, it's quite lengthy:

Laura Silsby- convicted for improper transport of children
Jeffrey Epstein - convicted pedophile, clinton buddy
Christopher Kloman, convicted pedophile Clinton Prosecutor.
Anthony Weiner - under investigation for sexting underage girl (pedophile)
Denis Hastert- convicted pedophile, Podesta buddy
Eric McFadden - head of Catholic outreach program - convicted prostitution ring incl minors.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1148034/pg1

[chanakyaa]

Challenging the history.

The Great Thanksgiving Hoax (mises.org)

Each year at this time, schoolchildren all over America are taught the official Thanksgiving story, and newspapers, radio, TV, and magazines devote vast amounts of time and space to it. It is all very colorful and fascinating.

It is also very deceiving. This official story is nothing like what really happened. It is a fairy tale, a whitewashed and sanitized collection of half-truths which divert attention away from Thanksgiving's real meaning.

The official story has the Pilgrims boarding the Mayflower, coming to America, and establishing the Plymouth colony in the winter of 1620–21. This first winter is hard, and half the colonists die. But the survivors are hard working and tenacious, and they learn new farming techniques from the Indians. The harvest of 1621 is bountiful. The pilgrims hold a celebration, and give thanks to God. They are grateful for the wonderful new abundant land He has given them.

The official story then has the Pilgrims living more or less happily ever after, each year repeating the first Thanksgiving. Other early colonies also have hard times at first, but they soon prosper and adopt the annual tradition of giving thanks for this prosperous new land called America.

The problem with this official story is that the harvest of 1621 was not bountiful, nor were the colonists hard-working or tenacious. 1621 was a famine year and many of the colonists were lazy thieves.

In his History of Plymouth Plantation, the governor of the colony, William Bradford, reported that the colonists went hungry for years because they refused to work in the field. They preferred instead to steal food. He says the colony was riddled with "corruption," and with "confusion and discontent." The crops were small because "much was stolen both by night and day, before it became scarce eatable."

In the harvest feasts of 1621 and 1622, "all had their hungry bellies filled," but only briefly. The prevailing condition during those years was not the abundance the official story claims, it was famine and death. The first "Thanksgiving" was not so much a celebration as it was the last meal of condemned men.

But in subsequent years something changes. The harvest of 1623 was different. Suddenly, "instead of famine now God gave them plenty," Bradford wrote, "and the face of things was changed, to the rejoicing of the hearts of many, for which they blessed God." Thereafter, he wrote, "any general want or famine hath not been amongst them since to this day." In fact, in 1624, so much food was produced that the colonists were able to begin exporting corn.

What happened? After the poor harvest of 1622, writes Bradford, "they began to think how they might raise as much corn as they could, and obtain a better crop." They began to question their form of economic organization.

This had required that "all profits & benefits that are got by trade, traffic, trucking, working, fishing, or any other means" were to be placed in the common stock of the colony, and that, "all such persons as are of this colony, are to have their meat, drink, apparel, and all provisions out of the common stock." A person was to put into the common stock all he could, and take only what he needed.

This "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" was an early form of socialism, and it is why the Pilgrims were starving. Bradford writes that "young men that were most able and fit for labor and service" complained about being forced to "spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children." Also, "the strong, or man of parts, had no more in division of victuals and clothes, than he that was weak." So the young and strong refused to work and the total amount of food produced was never adequate.

To rectify this situation, in 1623 Bradford abolished socialism. He gave each household a parcel of land and told them they could keep what they produced, or trade it away as they saw fit. In other words, he replaced socialism with a markets, and that was the end of the famines.

Many early groups of colonists set up socialist states, all with the same terrible results. At Jamestown, established in 1607, out of every shipload of settlers that arrived, less than half would survive their first twelve months in America. Most of the work was being done by only one-fifth of the men, the other four-fifths choosing to be parasites. In the winter of 1609–10, called "The Starving Time," the population fell from five-hundred to sixty. Then the Jamestown colony was converted to a relatively free market, and the results were every bit as dramatic as those at Plymouth.

United Americans Indians of New England actually celebrate this day as

National Day of Mourning

Thankstaking

[UlanBatori]

United Americans Indians of New England

Mull on that name for a moment.

[Austin]

American home ownership declining at a rate that’s projected to return levels to the 1950s

http://schiffgold.com/key-gold-news/dec ... 50s-rates/

[Austin]

Trumped Up Irrational Exuberance Continues

[Lalmohan]

Jeffery Epstein is friends with everybody. he is also the co-defendant (or was) in the charge against To-Lung-Pu for raping a minor

well he does know the system better than anybody folks, so he's the best guy to drain the swamp...

[prashanth]

Henry Kissinger's stunning revelations about Pakistan in the lead up to the 1971 Indo-Pak war-Times of India

After the opening to China via Pakistan, America engaged in increasingly urging Pakistan to grant autonomy to Bangladesh. In November, the Pakistani president agreed with (then US President) Nixon to grant independence the following March

Cannot believe a word of it. Is this gentleman making such (non)sensational statements to stay in relevance now? What is his opinion on the seventh fleet drama if they had 'successfully persuaded' pak to give up b'desh?

[Yagnasri]

Interesting quote that represent left-lib view in US ( and in India)

Has leaflets distributed in the Stalinalle
Stating that the people
Had forfeited the confidence of the government
And could win it back only
By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier
In that case for the government
To dissolve the people
And elect another?

[UlanBatori]

Henry Kissinger's stunning revelations about Pakistan in the lead up to the 1971 Indo-Pak war-Times of India

After the opening to China via Pakistan, America engaged in increasingly urging Pakistan to grant autonomy to Bangladesh. In November, the Pakistani president agreed with (then US President) Nixon to grant independence the following March

Cannot believe a word of it. Is this gentleman making such (non)sensational statements to stay in relevance now? What is his opinion on the seventh fleet drama if they had 'successfully persuaded' pak to give up b'desh?

Sickening that the Times of Islamabad gives space to this %$^&*( genocidal war criminal: the best evidence that

Only The Good Die Young

[Austin]

something interesting on Hillary

Lock Her Up': Untold Story of Hillary Clinton's Disgrace in Haiti

[Yagnasri]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... fter-dona/

I love it. College is not willing to fly the national flag. People saying that it represents racism. US is truely exceptional.

NP to continue as minority leader. NGO and social agenda gangs continue their grip on the party. Dem party looking almost like con mafia of India.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... p-despite/

[Dipanker]

Jill Stein Submits Presidential Recount Petition to Wisconsin

Just under the wire, Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein officially handed in a petition Friday asking election officials in the battleground state of Wisconsin to perform a recount of its general election results, the state said.

[UlanBatori]

What about the wires in the other states needed to Restore The Righteous Lefteous? Just WI won't do it, even if Mr. Soros commands it.

[svinayak]

Henry Kissinger's stunning revelations about Pakistan in the lead up to the 1971 Indo-Pak war-Times of India



Cannot believe a word of it. Is this gentleman making such (non)sensational statements to stay in relevance now? What is his opinion on the seventh fleet drama if they had 'successfully persuaded' pak to give up b'desh?

Henry Kissinger book MY WHITE HOUSE YEARS says that first move was done by India armored division across the border in Bangladesh and hence Pakistan had to attack. He ignores scores of Pakistan attack on Indian position and across the border incursion even during 1971 just like how it is now in 2016.
With HK publication it shows they were trying to protect Pakistan for so long during the cold war.

https://www.amazon.com/White-House-Year ... 1451636431
http://jeremisuri.net/wp-content/upload ... xcerpt.pdf
https://driftlessareareview.com/2010/03 ... kissinger/

Under US pressure, Pakistan had in November agreed to grant independence to what was then East Pakistan, former US diplomat Henry Kissinger has revealed in an interview in the latest issue of The Atlantic magazine.
Instead, Pakistan attacked India a month later, on December 3, 1971, forcing India to retaliate and eventually joined forces with East Pakistan in what would become the Bangladesh Liberation War.
Kissinger's revelation only confirms that Pakistan appears to have a long history of breaking promises.

This is false. US already made overtures to PRC Mao in 1969 in NY and followed up.
They created a pretensions to show Pak was very important during the cold war. Pakistan was elevated into a non NATO ally from 1977 to 2007 which Pakistan used it for state sponsored terrorism against India.

Kissinger, who in 1971 was US National Security Adviser, said that the US couldn't directly condemn Pakistan's "gross human-rights violations" in East Pakistan as it was using Islamabad as an interlocutor to open diplomatic relations with China.
"To condemn these violations publicly would have destroyed the Pakistani channel, which would be needed for months to complete the opening to China ... After the opening to China via Pakistan, America engaged in increasingly urging Pakistan to grant autonomy to Bangladesh.

http://tspwiki.com/index.php?title=Henry_Kissinger
My White House Years

South Asia
During the South Asian crisis in 1971, the White House stood firmly behind Pakistani president Yahya Khan and demonstrated a disdain for India and particularly its leader, Indira Gandhi, because of India's tilt or favoritism towards the Soviet Union. Kissinger had disdain for India and was using Pakistan as a tool to reach China, which he considered much more important to the U.S.

Khan's administration was responding to an insurrection launched by Communist guerillas (the Awami League), armed with Indian weapons and demanding independence for East Pakistan (now Bangladesh), with a massive campaign of violence dubbed "Operation Searchlight." India was exploiting these internal tensions within Pakistan as part of a divide-and-rule strategy; it hoped for Pakistan's division into smaller Indian proxy states that could be played against one another and it used the violence committed by Pakistani forces as a possible pretext for military intervention in Pakistani affairs.

Nixon relayed messages to Yahya, urging him to restrain Pakistani forces.[42] His objective was to prevent a war and safeguard Pakistan's interests, though he feared an Indian invasion of West Pakistan that would lead to Indian domination of the sub-continent and strengthen the position of the Soviet Union.[43] Similarly, Yahya Khan feared that an independent Bangladesh could lead to the disintegration of Pakistan. Indian military support for Bengali guerillas led to war between India and Pakistan.[44]

Nixon met with Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi and did not believe her assertion that she would not invade Pakistan;[45] he did not trust her and once referred to her as an "old witch". Kissinger maintained that Nixon made specific proposals to Gandhi on a solution for the crisis, some of which she heard for the first time; for example, mutual withdrawal of troops from the Indo-East Pakistan borders. Nixon also expressed a wish to fix a time limit with Yahya for political accommodation in East Pakistan. Nixon asserted that India could count on US endeavors to ease the crisis within a short time. But, both Kissinger and Gandhi aide Jayakar maintained, Gandhi did not respond to these proposals. Kissinger noted that she “listened to what was in fact one of Nixon's better presentations with aloof indifference” but “took up none of the points.” Jayakar pointed out that Gandhi listened to Nixon “without a single comment, creating an impregnable space so that no real contact was possible.” She also refrained from assuring that India would follow Pakistan's suit if it withdrew from India's borders. As a result, the main agenda was “dropped altogether.”[46] On December 3, Yahya preemptively attacked the Indian Air Force and Gandhi retaliated, pushing into East Pakistan.[47] Nixon issued a statement blaming Pakistan for starting the conflict and blaming India for escalating it, because he favored a cease-fire.[48] The United States was secretly encouraging the shipment of military equipment from Iran, Turkey, and Jordan to Pakistan, reimbursing those countries despite Congressional objections.[49] The US used the threat of an aid cut-off to force Pakistan to back down, while its continued military aid to Islamabad prevented India from launching incursions deeper into the country. A cease fire was reached on December 16, leading to the creation of the independent state of Bangladesh. Sheikh Mujib led the newly established People's Republic of Bangladesh as a one-party, dictatorial state.

A 2008 study in the British Medical Journal concluded that 269,000 civilians were killed by all sides in the war.[50] Reportedly, as many as 200,000 Bengali women were raped.

The US remained hostile to the Mujib regime, and considered Mujib himself to be a demagogue. His government's mismanagement of food grain stocks ultimately caused a massive famine in Bangladesh from March to December 1974, leading to the death of more than one million people. During this famine, Mujib rejected food aid from the United States and exported food to Cuba. By the time Mujib agreed to end support for Cuba, and the US began shipments of food to Bangladesh, it was 'too late for famine victims'.[51] In addition, his regime committed widespread human rights violations and tortured and executed thousands of dissidents. Nixon and Kissinger argued that these atrocities were far worse than anything Pakistan had committed in Bangladesh.

[Dipanker]

As per Stein recount is about the integrity of the voting system than anything else, that is what she says. Some doubts have been raised about the integrity of the process such as possibility of hacking of voting machines, a recount will be able to answer at least some of these questions.

She is raising the money through crowdfunding and still couple of millions short from the target of $7 million to cover the cost of recount in the three states.

Last date for a recount request in Michigan is 30th, but Michigan is still too close to call, and official result not yet out.

Last date for a recount request in Pennsylvania is 28th.

[JwalaMukhi]

Che Yen Yen apparently broadcasts *inappropriate* material
Trump winning the election has made few presstitutes loose their minds (if any was there to begin with)
Prestitutes taking presstitution to a new level.
Poor CNN, what more therapy can be prescribed to recover from Hilary's loss ...
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 39371.html

CNN denied airing 30 minutes of inappropriate content on Thursday night after initially blaming local cable television provider RCN for the mishap, the network clarified on Friday.

The allegations began with one viewer publicly complaining about the mishap on Twitter and posting multiple NSFW images of the on-air ***** online.

“I can't wait until [RCN] wakes up [tomorrow and] realizes that hardcore ***** was broadcast on [CNN] instead of [Parts Unknown] tonight,” user @Solikearose wrote.

“Did anyone else with RCN in Boston see the hardcore ***** that was broadcast by CNN by mistake?” the user asked on Twitter. “Vague update from RCN on the #BourdainPorn incident: everything 'working perfectly,' can’t tell how many households affected.”

While the service provider would likely be responsible for the apparent mishap, it isn't the greatest look for CNN. The network recently came under fire after running a headline that included the phrase “If Jews Are People.”

[Dipanker]

Business
Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during election, experts say

The flood of “fake news” this election season got support from a sophisticated Russian propaganda campaign that created and spread misleading articles online with the goal of punishing Democrat Hillary Clinton, helping Republican Donald Trump and undermining faith in American democracy, say independent researchers who tracked the operation.

Russia’s increasingly sophisticated propaganda machinery — including thousands of botnets, teams of paid human “trolls,” and networks of websites and social-media accounts — echoed and amplified right-wing sites across the Internet as they portrayed Clinton as a criminal hiding potentially fatal health problems and preparing to hand control of the nation to a shadowy cabal of global financiers. The effort also sought to heighten the appearance of international tensions and promote fear of looming hostilities with nuclear-armed Russia.

Two teams of independent researchers found that the Russians exploited American-made technology platforms to attack U.S. democracy at a particularly vulnerable moment, as an insurgent candidate harnessed a wide range of grievances to claim the White House. The sophistication of the Russian tactics may complicate efforts by Facebook and Google to crack down on “fake news,” as they have vowed to do after widespread complaints about the problem.

There is no way to know whether the Russian campaign proved decisive in electing Trump, but researchers portray it as part of a broadly effective strategy of sowing distrust in U.S. democracy and its leaders. The tactics included penetrating the computers of election officials in several states and releasing troves of hacked emails that embarrassed Clinton in the final months of her campaign.

[JwalaMukhi]

^ Ah from washingtonne posht.
WP and asssorted mainstream media are wondering if google, facebook and twitter can be moulded into CNN, NYCrimes and WP. Well some of these companies may actually take the bait and turn into future CNNs. MSM should stick to trading fashion and lifestyle sections and leave serious Journalistic work to peer reviewed social media... (till it remains as social and independent).

[Dipanker]

Social media is garbage. It is mainly for the alt-right types and the right wing trolls, paid or unpaid. Any piece of "news" on social media must still be verified from a standard source, and most of them would likely turn out to be fake. Their followers are mostly alt-right sheeples who will believe in any crap dished to them.

[JwalaMukhi]

^That's a pretty serious allegation by MSM: That most people are sheeple. Only the intellectuals inside the Main Stream Media have any brains left and be allowed to vote. That thinking is what led Hillary to drink cool aide dished out by these MSM, and she just showed up and claimed that as a wimmen she deserves to win.
The MSM is reduced to sophistry and had a lock on disproportionate influence. That is long gone. The MSM has fuelled upteem number of wars and led many a nation's leaders astray either willingly or for the right price. That era is over. If it still basks in its erstwhile arrogance, it will relearn same lessons all over again and again.
If people are sheeple, they will select and elect who actually mirrors them. There is no need for the uppity MSM to associate with such low brows. They can wallow in their own echo chambers.

[Lilo]

Instead of questioning the role of Paidmedia & Presstitution the "liberal" outrage is now directed towards the so called "False" news & other assorted Russian bugbears.
Love the squirming of Billary buffoons in intelligentia - now raging against social media,trying to enforce their version of "false" or truth" just as they manage in Print & TV media using a kindred partisan Paidmedia.

While "Post Truth" is the latest neologism added to oxbridge dictionaries of Briturdia, one wont be seeing Presstitution or Paidmedia anytime soon in the P section.

Stick to the likes of brf dictionary, urban dictionary etc in the meantime & enjoy billary buffoons flapping like fish in a dried swamp demanding for a recount with their dying breath ,because:
"Russians have hacked the voting machines in US elections"

[ssundar]

3. "Hillary will win the popular vote" is a factual statement, we can not argue with that.

Yes, and popular vote does not determine the President-elect per our current constitution is also an equally factual statement.

Now as far as loyalty of the voters is concerned, again historically Republicans voters have been found to be more loyal than the Democrats. I am sure you have heard of term "Reagan Democrats".
Even in this election some of the battleground states which flipped were due to these "Reagan Democrat" types voting for Trump, and some of the Democrats simply abstaining as a mark of protest.
In Michigan 90,000 ballots had blank presidential column while all down ballot boxes were marked. Hillary lost Michigan by 11,000 votes!

These same battleground states went to Obama in 2012. These so-called "Reagan Democrats" voted Obama. Now, they either flipped to Trump or, more likely, abstained. That is more a sign of independent voting than any tag such as "Reagan Democrats".

HillC lost the independents in these states. They either voted against her or just refrained from voting in the Presidential column. This is more Hillary's loss than a Trump win. So, "popular vote win" is a sweet nothing whispered in the ears of HillC supporters.

With an disapproval rating of 64% Trump absolutely was the worst ever candidate Republican had put up yet upto 90% of the Republicans voted for him! What could be a better example of blind party line voting than this?

No disagreements on Trump. The same applies to HillC as well. As someone who voted for neither because of sheer disgust, I can tell that the lungi dance performed by HillC supporters of all ethnicities and colors is no less obscene than the racism and sexism exhibited by Trump.

In the end, the guy with the better formula strategy won the election. We can be unhappy about it and move on. All this talk about recounts and appealing to the electors only serve to highlight how sleazy HillC has been and continues to be.

[UlanBatori]

Dipanker wrote:
3. "Hillary will win the popular vote" is a factual statement, we can not argue with that.

No, but we can about it, hain ji?
Doesn't it get tiring to read the same stuff parroted over and over and over and over and over again?
It's like Brazilian soccer fans saying:

3. Brazil kicking more balls than Germany did, is a factual statement.

or

That Pakistanis had more advanced fighter planes in the 1971 war than the Indians, is a factual statement

There is a concept called Rules Of The Game. The United States has a set of such Rules for the Presidential Election. Those rules are set BEFORE the election, not afterwards.
Your candidate lost, by those Rules.

If the Rules for US Presidential Election were the same as for Pakistani Chief Executive Referendum (i.e., Musharraf) then I am sure both sides would have adjusted their strategies accordingly, so there is absolutely no point in fa*ting about who might have won by those different set of rules. Many people who stayed home, e.g. in Georgia or Texas or Montana where Clinton had absolutely no hope, and in California and Nevada where the illegals had been given voting rights by the Clinton gang and hence Clinton had a huge majority, would have gone out to vote then, to slam-dunk the Whine Queen. Say 2.3 million or 5.8 million more. Instead of focusing resources in Florida, where Clinton LOST , Trump may have campaigned in Georgia or Montana where anyway he would get more adoring KKK/Aryan Nations crowds.

Ordinary people like us have to live by the Rules. So we get a bit irritated by those who keep carping about how THEY should not be treated per the rules. Clinton is an eminent example of that Entitlement Mentality, as has been amply demonstrated by their abysmal behavior, post-election. I understand that their musharrafs must be hurting so bad, poor things. Sorry. Apologies in advance.

[Austin]

Could Jill Stein’s US Election recount mean that Donald Trump loses the Presidency?

If an investigation reveals voting figures were incorrect — possibly due to hacked automated ballot machines — and a recount reveals that Clinton won these states, she will be President.

The result as it stands has Donald Trump as the victor with 306 Electoral College votes to Hillary Clinton‘s 232.

Wisconsin represents 10 Electoral College votes, while Pennsylvania represents 20 and Michigan — which is yet to officially declare its result but based on current voting figures has come out for Trump — represents 16.

If these 46 votes are shifted to Clinton, she would win with 278 Electoral College votes to Trump’s 260.

The sister of Huma Abedin, Clinton’s close aide, said on Facebook: “A shift of just 55,000 Trump votes to Hillary in PA, MI & WI is all that is needed to win”.

[Lalmohan]

Doesn't it get tiring to read the same stuff parroted over and over and over and over and over again?

yes indeed, just like trumpistas shouting 'its all left wing radical bias by presstitutes you lost so shut up!'

we would be better served by analysis of the underlying issues i think

[pankajs]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/25/us/po ... .html?_r=0
U.S. Officials Defend Integrity of Vote, Despite Hacking Fears

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration said on Friday that despite Russian attempts to undermine the presidential election, it has concluded that the results “accurately reflect the will of the American people.”
.....
In its statement, the administration said, “The Kremlin probably expected that publicity surrounding the disclosures that followed the Russian government-directed compromises of emails from U.S. persons and institutions, including from U.S. political organizations, would raise questions about the integrity of the election process that could have undermined the legitimacy of the president-elect.”
.....
“Nevertheless, we stand behind our election results, which accurately reflect the will of the American people,” it added.
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The campaign, uniting around the hashtag #AuditTheVote, has picked up momentum among grass-roots activists still mourning Mr. Trump’s victory. But the pleas for recounts have gained no support from the Clinton campaign, which has concluded that it is highly unlikely to change the outcome.
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The recount efforts have generated pushback by experts who said it would be enormously difficult to hack voting machines on a large scale. The administration, in its statement, confirmed reports from the Department of Homeland Security and intelligence officials that they did not see “any increased level of malicious cyberactivity aimed at disrupting our electoral process on Election Day.”

The administration said it remained “confident in the overall integrity of electoral infrastructure, a confidence that was borne out.” It added: “As a result, we believe our elections were free and fair from a cybersecurity perspective.”
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Ms. Stein, of the Green Party, acknowledged on Thursday in an interview with the PBS “NewsHour” that it was unlikely that recounts could change the results. Still, she said that “this was an election in which we saw hacking all over the place,” and that “at the same time, we have a voting system which has been proven to basically be wide open to hackers.”

[UlanBatori]

Could Jill Stein’s US Election recount mean that Donald Trump loses the Presidency?

If an investigation reveals voting figures were incorrect — possibly due to hacked automated ballot machines — and a recount reveals that Clinton won these states, she will be President. The sister of Huma Abedin, Clinton’s close aide, said on Facebook: “A shift of just 55,000 Trump votes to Hillary in PA, MI & WI is all that is needed to win”.

If hacking is suspected the first time, isn't it far more possible in the "recount"?

[ssundar]

Ms. Stein, of the Green Party, acknowledged on Thursday in an interview with the PBS “NewsHour” that it was unlikely that recounts could change the results. Still, she said that “this was an election in which we saw hacking all over the place,” and that “at the same time, we have a voting system which has been proven to basically be wide open to hackers.”

I smell fish. What is Jill Stein's role in this? Why should the system accept a petition from her unless the recount is going to affect HER chances of becoming El Presidente?

[ssundar]

Doesn't it get tiring to read the same stuff parroted over and over and over and over and over again?

yes indeed, just like trumpistas shouting 'its all left wing radical bias by presstitutes you lost so shut up!'

we would be better served by analysis of the underlying issues i think

I am an independent voter who voted a write-in. IMHO, this alleged "Left" radical bias exists and is so thick you could cut it with a knife. Only, it is NOT "Left". It is a pro-Hillary bias, period. One will have to get outside the Hillary voodoo tent to see it. I have seen very educated and self-thinking Indian-Americans sitting inside that tent and acting like they were making an objective decision.

The underlying issue is that many people including Indian-Americans are so disgusted with Trump that Hillary looks like a Saint to them. When they run across someone who says Hillary is disgusting too, they instinctively attack them as Trump supporters. If this isn't a bias, what is?

[Surya]

yea someone who wins 1 percent is interested in integrity of the vote - sure sure

she makes some money out of this and HRC and dems get to nudge nudg wink wink and hope for some manipulation

[UlanBatori]

(sigh!) UBCN had provided early anal-e-sys on this, all lost in the yadayadayada of The Hilarious.
Stein is GREENS Party. IOW, European-backed terrorists trying the undermine the good ol' American Way of Life. I assume that the funds coming through her come from Soros the Oiropean terrorist-funder.

I think this Recount (assuming it fails, of course) should be sufficient reason to call in FreeBiscuit Neta Comey and ask HIM to do a "recount". Of the Classified Emails. That should set the cat among the chickenhawks.

[shravanp]

Thanksgiving frenzy (and shopping scuffles). I thought this thread would be perfect fit for posting this vid.

[UlanBatori]

Let's see: The Trump supporters are the Russian-supported ones idly taking video and throwing punches, while the Hillary supporters are the ones in hoodies sprinting for the doors without benefit of the checkout counters, carrying heavy garbage bags full of stuff. Trampling over the heart-attack victims on the floor. The Working Class.

[vera_k]

If hacking is suspected the first time, isn't it far more possible in the "recount"?

Of course. And that would be cause for another recount. It is true though that citizens cannot verify their vote was received and counted correctly.

[Singha]

Its all about empowering overweight or angry people to fight to buy stuff they dont really need.

[UlanBatori]

Veraji:
I frankly don't understand this recount bijnej. It's not like people sit in a circle going

2583965, 2583966, 2583966, How 'bout them Cubs? Oh, where was I? 243967, 243968....,

The "counting" is done the instant one presses the Vote button, hain? So either the software/hardware has problems or they don't. How does "recounting" change anything?

[vera_k]

^^
No. This is not like the machines in India where one type of machine is in use. Variety of systems and machines are in use. Some places are mail-in only. No system India or USA allows the voter to check later if his vote was correctly counted. Ergo need for recounts ... its more about ensuring there's trust in the results than discovering mistakes.