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From the reports about the airstrike @ Al bab. A few points are interesting.

the airstrikes took place at 3AM, which means if SyAAF was involved (SyAAF/RuAF has denied involvement in these airstrikes) then the planes were night vision equipped and upgraded.

If it was SyAAF's L139 that did the strike then these were updated with night vision equipment and adapted for night combat by North Korean engineers for SyAAF.

It is not known whether the L139 left from Kuweriris or T4 or Aleppo International Airport.

If the SyAAF is involved, then it is a "Do Not Advance" notice to the Turkish MIlitary from SAA.
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^^ agitpapa claims south korean engineers installed a simple LLTV and thermal pod of sorts on the L139. sounds more reasonable claim than Noko.

Al Badr, Harkat al Nujaba and Kataib hezbollah seem to be the 3 largest components of the PMU. the heads of all three report into Abu Mahdi al muhandisi.

Muhandisi made his way up via the kataib org. the Nujaba is led by another name we hear of - sheikh akram al kaabi.

there are shadowy iranian clerics and 'advisers' whose reporting chains are not clear...like suleymani.

within iraq, Al Sistani seems to be the most senior and revered cleric albeit more like a margdarshak now, it was his call to save baghdad that led to PMU being mobilized ..... moqtada sadr the bogeyman continues to occupy a prominent place in tier1 clerics and is more active in limelight.
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https://twitter.com/MmaGreen/status/669157745161973760

has some pix of akram al kaabi. some pics elsewhere also show him in clerics dress. seems omnirole.

all of the three PMU outfits have sent fighters to syria, mainly aleppo where they work with the irgc and lebanese hezbollah.
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Singha wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -Iraq.html
Baghdadi is reportedly sleeping in tunnels with a suicide vest after becoming increasingly paranoid about his closest advisers.
I wonder if that is in a mansion in Los Angeles, Riyadh or New York.
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Turkey's President Erdogan threatens EU with migrant surge
BBC News - ‎38 minutes ago‎
Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has warned that he will let hundreds of thousands of migrants travel on to Europe if pushed by the EU.
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I think the SAA is looking to capture the area south of Al bab, stop the bandits and then broker a connecting passage between Rojava west and east so they retain some degree of leverage over the kurds..as of now they are both united in attacking the rats, so some deal must be agreed on.
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Erdogan is taking a huge risk. Syria has nothing to loose. It has already been destroyed to stone age but if he takes the fight too far, SAA would not mind making turkey another Syria. Erdogan should realize it will all come down to urban fighting where his shiny aircraft's and tanks has little use.
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his trump card are the legions of erdogan militias and the grey wolves who have links with various formations fighting in syria like sultan murad brigade, turkistan islamic party etc. the army is beaten, thrashed and demotivated and cannot be keen on getting into a fight inside syria for erdogans sake. half the air force and civil services have been arrested and fired respectively in a series of rolling purges.

syria will need to create its own buffer zone by heavily arming the Kurds and setting them on turkiye throats. given the atrocities on kurdish towns and villages they need no encouragement just the tools and air cover.
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Al Masdar is reporting that neither Syrian Army nor Russian mil bombed the Turkish soldiers
Leith Fadel:

“DAMASCUS, SYRIA (5:45 A.M.) – A high-ranking official from the Syrian Arab Air Force (SAAYF) told Al-Masdar on Thursday night that their fighter jets did not bomb the Turkish Army in east Aleppo.

“No Syrian or Russian aircraft bombed the Turkish Army near Al-Bab on November 23rd – all reports claiming otherwise are lies,” the official confirmed to Al-Masdar on Thursday.”
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It makes more sense then, that it was NATO that bombed the Turks on behalf of their Kurd allies.

NATO has the means, they have the ability, & they have the reason.

the Kurds were saying they were going to quit the Raqqa campaign- undoubtedly because the Turks were moving at al bab against them- It makes much more sense that the Americans bombed the Turks to appease their kurdish allies.
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Some proxy lije norway or belgium probably did the street work with uncle keeping an eye out for turkey planes.
Russi atc would surely know who came and went where
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habal wrote:From the reports about the airstrike @ Al bab. A few points are interesting.

the airstrikes took place at 3AM, which means if SyAAF was involved (SyAAF/RuAF has denied involvement in these airstrikes) then the planes were night vision equipped and upgraded.

If it was SyAAF's L139 that did the strike then these were updated with night vision equipment and adapted for night combat by North Korean engineers for SyAAF.

It is not known whether the L139 left from Kuweriris or T4 or Aleppo International Airport.

If the SyAAF is involved, then it is a "Do Not Advance" notice to the Turkish MIlitary from SAA.
where does Ru stand ? Recently Turk improved ties with Ru and vice versa. Ru whole heartily supports Sy and Turk bombing Sy & vice versa. So what about Russia ?
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hmm .. don't leave Raqqa boys, we will stop the Turks for you.

you need to hold Raqqa for us, so the NATO Raqqa strategy is not dead .. yet.

jab tak jaan hain .. tab tak shaitaani jaari hain.
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IndraD wrote: where does Ru stand ? Recently Turk improved ties with Ru and vice versa. Ru whole heartily supports Sy and Turk bombing Sy & vice versa. So what about Russia ?
Russia won’t implement a NFZ over Northern Syria, Kremlin still thinks Turkey will respect the agreement, red line won’t be crossed…
Syrian govt asked Russia to officially impose a No-Fly-Zone for Turkish jets over northern Syria.
Kremlin is thinking about it.

Putin wants to see which side will be supported by the #US in the battle between #Turkey and #YPG for Al-Bab.
SAA won’t join the fight.
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Also check out the 'Adana Agreement' between Turkey & Syria. Some of the present coordination between Syria & Turkey, foundation lies in that agreement which was signed around 2 decades ago.
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RU stands with RU onlee. Nobody gets to the top table by being overly dharmic. Putin wants his foothold at least cost in blood and treasure which means war with turkey is not on.

But he can and will give periodic shocks to turkey to keep them reasonable
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this is how Egypt ended up supporting Assad. Sequence of events.

The following thread explains the Egyptian view of the reinvigorated alliance with Syria.

The thread below was copied from Sa’ka @BTelawy, one of the best sources for geopolitics and military information regarding Egypt.

1- People should know that Egypt’s support to Syria is not new or sudden. So let’s start from the beginning:

2- On June, 2013, Morsi ordered the closing of the Syrian Embassy in Cairo and a no fly zone over Syria, while inciting to join the FSA.

3- However, diplomatic relations were restored and the embassies reopened just weeks later by al-Sisi in July 2013 after he removed Morsi.

4- Since then, Egypt was conservative in official statements while insisting in the priority to preserve Syrian territories & fight terrorism.

5- In 2014, al-Sisi tried to bring back the Saudi / Syrian relations with King Abdullah Ben Abdelaziz. It could have worked, but Salman arrived.

6- King Salman reaffirmed the support to terror-groups in Syria with the western and refused any reconciliation with Dr. Bashar al-Assad.

7- 2015 was a very important year where things began to change especially on the diplomatic levels between Egypt and Syria.

8- On September 2015, al-Sisi said to CNN he’s against overthrowing the Syrian Government by force, which would lead to the partition of Syria & the fall of its army.

9- At the same period, sources report that al-Sisi met Ali Mamlouk in Cairo after a meeting with high-ranks Egyptian & Syrian intel in Beirut.

10- On November 25th, Egypt proposed legislation to the UN for the total withdrawal of Israel from the Golan & to restitute with the 1967’s border to Syria

11- On December 2015: Dr. Bashar al Assad said in an interview that the cooperation with the Egyptian Army has never stopped, even during Morsi’s period.

12- It means, that security ties between Egypt & Syria have never been cut over the war. We are talking about intel & military cooperation, but in what way?

13- A cooperation between the Syrian & Egyptian intelligence, ok, but about the military support? Certainly, ammo, equipments, logistic support,

14- An example, how Syrian Gazelle helicopters managed to survive 5 years of war without maintenance and spare parts ?

15- Egypt is the only country in the region that produces its spare parts and has maintenance centers, same for Grad-missile,

16- Now, over the past 2 months things have sped up with 3 important events.

17- Egyptian officials started to reflect in their speeches and foreign policy a very different vision from the Saudis

18- On September 26th 2016: Egyptian Minister of Foreign Affairs, Sameh Shokri, said that KSA wants to change al-Assad’s Government but Egypt wasn’t talking that approach

19- On October 8th 2016, Egypt voted for UNSC Russia’s resolution on Syria & refused to accuse the SAA of war crimes on a letter signed by 62 countries.

20- On November 16th, Egyptian diplomatic source said that steps have been taken to restore cohesion between countries of the region & defend Arab interests,

21- because some countries wanted to eliminate the unity of the region / the ‘Arab Nationalism’ with war in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Yemen.

22- Secondly, October 17th 2016: the 3rd known meeting between high-level Egyptian and Syrian intelligence delegation headed by Ali Mamlouk in Cairo.

23- And finally October 20th 2016, Egypt announced that in coordination with UN & Syria’s government, it would supervise the delivery humanitarian aids & evacuation of wounded

24- We can see the growing involvement of Egypt in the Syrian conflict between 2014 / 2016 that in fact never stopped, including its support.

25- But when politics led nowhere, there is no many options. Now let’s talk about the latest development of Egyptian troops in Syria.

26- Diff sources confirmed to me a month ago that there are Egyptian officers in Syria while Minister of Foreign Affairs denied saying there’s no troops « for fighting ».

27- Yes, there are no troops involved in battles but it means that there could be Egyptian advisers on the ground in Syria.

28- Egyptian officers are present in all fronts over Syria, especially Palmyra, what does it mean ?

29- What’s sure, Egypt militarily support the SAA & its troops are deployed for training. (never forget that the SAA is Egypt’s 1st Army)

30- We can expect an involvement of the Air Force and SOF units on the ground, but the deployment of full armoured division? i don’t think so

31- Egypt is not ready to be fully-engaged in a war outside the country but it can help by other ways. An example, the new 5th Corps

32- i’m pretty sure that Egypt will help to form the 5th Corps, due to its similarity to the Rapid Deployment Forces that Egypt created,

33- and help i mean, exchange of experience on the battlefield with the SAA, unit formation, equipments, tactics to develop etc

34- One can except, an air support on Raqqa / Deir Ezzor fronts but not now. I think it’s a matter of time, and we may see that in 2017.

35- While few weeks ago, Iraq announced that after Mosul they will help the SAA to retake Raqqa, do you see what i mean ?

36- High-rank Egyptian officers travelled to Syria it’s certain, and many good things should be announced soon by both sides

37- One of the option is that Egyptian troops take in charge the protection of some Syrian cities to liberate SAA units in the operations

38-To conclude, Egypt and Syria have historic ties on all levels that no one can break, even with their billion of dollars.

End- Just need time to see it. Syria is a matter of national security for Egypt & represent our 1st Field Army, we can’t let our brothers.
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Yusha Yuseef ‏@MIG29_ an editor for the Arab Source Al-Masdar

“EXCLUSIVE: Syrian Military source to me. Syrian and Russian Air forces aren’t responsible for the AirStike which hit Turkish Soldiers in Syria.
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Just yesterday egypt lost 8 troops to isis in sinai. A low key but hard war in ongoing there. These daesh must be sourcing support from jordan or ksa next door
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Very important victory this morning in eastern Aleppo.
The SAA and Desert Hawks have total control of the highest hill in the eastern side of Aleppo city, Tell al Shertah, 420 meters high, which may give a strategic position to control Marjeh district (straight line to the citadel) and support the recent attack toward Sheikh Lutfi.

http://wikimapia.org/#lang=pt&lat=36.18 ... tah(420-m)

In a new joint offensive with the Kurdish forces from Afreen, the SAA and the Palestinian Liwaa` al Quds have liberated 4 villages northeast of Al-Shaykh Najjaar, which are Haleesa, Nayrabiyya, Jawba and Shaykh Kif, placing the advancing forces very close to the western outskirts of Al-bab where the Turks are operating.
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Singha wrote:Just yesterday egypt lost 8 troops to isis in sinai. A low key but hard war in ongoing there. These daesh must be sourcing support from jordan or ksa next door
Egyptians are in Syria to learn from SAA in order to defeat ISIS in LIbya. Same NATO guerrila tactics there too.
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Singha wrote:U2 plane in use over iraq

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/25/middl ... index.html
what help can this cold war era plane provide> Don;t they need ground level intelligence and not air borne?
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IndraD wrote:
Singha wrote:U2 plane in use over iraq

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/25/middl ... index.html
what help can this cold war era plane provide> Don;t they need ground level intelligence and not air borne?
Plane May be old, camera (IR, Visible, SAR) , sensors (IR, chemical, Radio-activity) etc are new. Ground and air "intelligence" are two different things. One needs both in a war.
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habal wrote:It makes more sense then, that it was NATO that bombed the Turks on behalf of their Kurd allies. NATO has the means, they have the ability, & they have the reason. the Kurds were saying they were going to quit the Raqqa campaign- undoubtedly because the Turks were moving at al bab against them- It makes much more sense that the Americans bombed the Turks to appease their kurdish allies.
I get the feeling, reading between the lines of Tulsi Gabbard's statement, and the very interesting comments under the WaPO garbage article about TG not being qualified to be UN Amby, that the US military is shaking loose from the BO/VictoriaNeuland/Hitlery shackles. I HOPE!!!!

If this is true, then Erdogan has interesting times ahead. NATO may have already figured that Turkey is a writeoff until Erdogan can be overthrown.
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The presidents of Russia and Turkey on Friday discussed by phone the settlement of the Syrian crisis and joint anti-terrorism efforts, the Kremlin press service said. Vladimir Putin and Recep Tayyip Erdogan agreed to continue dialogue between the Russian and Turkish ministries of foreign affairs and defense, and between security services in order to ensure coordination of efforts in fighting against international terrorism, the Kremlin said. Bilateral relations were also discussed during the conversation, which was initiated by Ankara.
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Far right vs refugee clashes in Bulgaria, newly elected PM vows to extradite refugees in large numbers

A group of Bulgarian nationalists, including the notorious ‘refugee hunter’ Dinko Valev, made an appearance at a refugee camp in the border town of Harmanli, following clashes between migrants and riot police over temporary restrictions on leaving the camp.

Dinko Valev, the notorious ‘refugee-hunter,’ who organizes vigilantes to patrol and catch illegal migrants in Bulgaria, also went to the camp.

“As you throw rocks at Bulgarian police officers in there – must we beat you here or what?” the former wrestler asked one refugee in Bulgarian.

“I’m not Muslim, I’m not Pakistani – I’m Iraqi, I’m a Yazidi,” the refugee replied in English to his ranting.

Inhabitants of the camp damaged the facility, setting the premises on fire.
The Harmanli camp, which is the largest in the country, houses around 3,000 people, mostly from Afghanistan.

Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov has promised that as early as next month, dozens of Afghanis from the refugee camp will be extradited, Novinite reported.

“We will try to extradite five people immediately because of national security. The others who disturbed the peace will be among the first to be extradited but, until then, they will be placed in closed-type camps. A plane for Afghanistan has already been arranged and it will fly in December,” he added.
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It is being observed that there is far right approach in East Europe towards refugees. Hungary, Poland and similar countries are rattled at sight of Muslim refugees from ME and vow not to let single refugee settle in their country. Hungary has started putting pig;s head on fences, But same countires feel very hurt over Brexit, accusing UK 'whites' of racism, as if UK owes jobs & security to them . Such double standards right in face!
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IndraD wrote:...........................

“I’m not Muslim, I’m not Pakistani – I’m Iraqi, I’m a Yazidi,” the refugee replied in English to his ranting..............
OT, but In case you missed this. How dare he cast aspersions on the national honour of the nation that is the light of the Ummah? :D
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The global hawk has nearly the same ceiling and twice the endurance of u2. Its probably a pgm struggling to justify its budget hence put to use.
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AoA

Turkey issues stamp calling Narendra Modi a great leader.

It was issued on the day erdogan visited pakistan

https://youtu.be/5Jakfv56Lfc
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Lizzie Phelan ‏@LizziePhelan
Kurdish media says battle 4 al #Bab a mini world war, predicts #SAA win = better outcome 4 Kurds than #Turkey win
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Saa high command plan is to capture the modern parts of east aleppo but avoid getting into a mosul type swamp in the densely poepled old city. They will seek a diplomatic soln there like green bus to idlib. First bus from ghouta left today.

To pile on pressure they will capture the high grounds and cut east aleppo into two pockets across the middle. Tigers are leading the charge from western side.

Sensing a good chance the ypg are shelling the fatah halab from sheikh maqsood as payback for years of hell cannons
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Pmu have duly launched ph5 of tal afar ops and attacked the western outskirts of the city

The road back to mosul is still uncut
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It is an ideological war.
Muslim brotherhood, Morsi, Erdogan and extremist Sunnis on one side.
Sisi is on the other side. So is Assad.

Besides Erdogan called up Putin regarding the attack on his men inside Syria.
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Iraq forces push deeper into Mosul

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Iraqi special forces personnel wait in their Humvees for the order to start the assault on Kukjali, a district on the eastern outskirts of Mosul.

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A man holds up a white flag as he walks towards special forces troops in Kukjali. Many of the civilians the troops encounter say they are happy to see them and offer them cups of tea, even when the fighting is only metres away.

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The troops are having to clear Mosul's densely-populated residential areas house by house. In one building in Qadsiya, they found military uniform, body armour and a black IS banner, which they are held upside down here.

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Four Humvees were also damaged by the car bomb. Troops spend a long day and night trying to fix the vehicles, which were needed urgently on the frontline.
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army doing sanitisation and door to door search in liberated areas of Mosul. Here children being whisked to safety
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The Speed of Kalbir missile flying at low altitude is quite fast , Even a Manpads operator will find it difficult to target it

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Haidar Sumeri ‏@IraqiSecurity
The new PMUs law confirms the Hashd as a official wing of #Iraq's military apparatus. No more "Iranian-backed militias" bullshit.



Haidar Sumeri Retweeted
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Iraqi parliament passes the Popular Mobilization Units Law, making the PMU's a permanent part of the armed forces under PM's control. #Iraq
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