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ramana wrote:It's possible some hackers located in Russia provided data to wikileaks. That's not same as Putin hacking US elections.
No one hacked , It was provided by Seth Rich a young employee of DNC who was shot later in what was described as road side burglary.

Assange has confirmed as Seth being the source indirectly http://europe.newsweek.com/seth-rich-mu ... 2084?rm=eu
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:rotfl: Did US really taste their own medicine named "Regime Change"?
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Tillerson as the US Secretary of State will keep Russia further sliding into the Chinese trap but more importantly it means bad news for Saudis and their ISIS monsters. Extrapolating the logic, it certainly is bad news for the pakis which is in India's short-term interest.
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Rishi Verma wrote:Tillerson as the US Secretary of State will keep Russia further sliding into the Chinese trap but more importantly it means bad news for Saudis and their ISIS monsters. Extrapolating the logic, it certainly is bad news for the pakis which is in India's short-term interest.
US-Russia tension is exploited by many countries. Islamic countries take advantage of it. ISIS expanded due to that.
China uses it to get the maximum from both sides. It also gets Pak to play with it.
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Austin wrote:
ramana wrote:It's possible some hackers located in Russia provided data to wikileaks. That's not same as Putin hacking US elections.
No one hacked , It was provided by Seth Rich a young employee of DNC who was shot later in what was described as road side burglary.

Assange has confirmed as Seth being the source indirectly http://europe.newsweek.com/seth-rich-mu ... 2084?rm=eu
Correct. I forgot about this.
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Rex Tillerson as the SoS of US means a couple things:

1. Any deal or progress on climate change policy is dead on arrival.
2. Diplomacy is purely business transactional now and is contingent on oil exploration and energy markets
3. We are definitely heading for interesting times.
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https://www.stratfor.com/analysis/when- ... h-weakness

The dollar's reign can be traced to the 1944 Bretton Woods Conference. The wartime summit saw the sculpting of a new global economic system: Instead of the gold standard, the world's currencies would be pegged to the dollar, which itself could be exchanged for gold. This required countries to hold extensive dollar reserves to manage their pegs, increasing the number of dollars in circulation. The supply only grew under the Marshall Plan, as the United States pumped capital into rebuilding countries ravaged by World War II.

The countries most at risk from a strong dollar are those with hefty dollar-denominated debts. Ample foreign exchange reserves can help offset this problem, since they can be used to prop up national currencies or pay off corporate debts in a pinch. On the downside, a current account deficit (which arises when a country spends more abroad in its day-to-day activities than it receives) would exacerbate the issue, since it implies that money is naturally flowing out of the country.

the 2013 "taper tantrum" revealed five countries to be particularly at risk because of their large current account deficits and dollar-denominated debts: India, South Africa, Indonesia, Turkey and Brazil. But over the past three years, most of these countries have improved their financial standing and are less vulnerable than they were in 2013. The so-called Fragile Five could still be somewhat exposed, but now they are part of a much bigger pack.
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The immediate furor and opposition to Rex Tillerson's prospective appointment as Secretary of State by calling into questions his relationship with Russia and the story put out by a "senior official" that the CIA believes that Russia made an effort to tilt the US elections indicates the scale of the job that Trump has in cleaning out the "swamp". The mass media is being used by lobbies vested in preserving the cold war confrontation with Russia.

And for crying out loud, the Democratic Party complaining about Russian involvement in it's election is like the thief complaining to the cops that his own house has been robbed!!. Have the Democrats forgotten what they did to Ukraine under Obama? And all those other color revolutions? Hypocrites.
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The root of the word “evangelical” is evangel, which was passed down from Greek to Latin to Middle English. It translates to “good news,” a phrase Christians use to represent the belief that Jesus’s life, death, and resurrection provide a way for people to commune with God.

But in American religious life, the meaning of “evangelical” exceeds its etymology. Since 1989, most scholars have accepted that the word refers to anyone who holds four beliefs: a high regard for the Bible, an emphasis on Jesus’s crucifixion, the need for people to be converted, and a connection between faith and public life.
For decades, evangelicals have overwhelmingly voted Republican.......In November, 81 percent of white evangelicals voted for the Trump ticket—a higher percentage than voted for George W. Bush, John McCain, or Mitt Romney.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... ls/510005/
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At sometime BRF had discussed one of the works of Steve Coll: "Ghost Wars" and on bin Laden.
The New Yorker has this story by him:
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk ... mod-latest
The news that President-elect Donald Trump is expected to nominate Rex Tillerson, the chairman and chief executive of ExxonMobil, as his Secretary of State is astonishing on many levels. As an exercise of public diplomacy, it will certainly confirm the assumption of many people around the world that American power is best understood as a raw, neocolonial exercise in securing resources.

Tillerson figures prominently in “Private Empire: ExxonMobil and American Power,” a book I wrote about the corporation that came out in 2012......
The main themes of “Private Empire” involved the ways that ExxonMobil saw itself as an independent, transnational corporate sovereign in the world, a power independent of the American government, one devoted firmly to shareholder interests and possessed of its own foreign policy. Exxon’s foreign policy sometimes had more impact on the countries where it operated than did the State Department. Take, for example, Chad, one of the poorest countries in Africa. During the mid-two-thousands, the entirety of U.S. aid and military spending in the country directed through the U.S. Embassy in the capital, N’Djamena, amounted to less than twenty million dollars annually, whereas the royalty payments Exxon made to the government as part of an oil-production agreement were north of five hundred million dollars. Idriss Déby, the authoritarian President of Chad, did not need a calculator to understand that Rex Tillerson was more important to his future than the U.S. Secretary of State.

In Kurdistan, during the Obama Administration, Tillerson defied State Department policy and cut an independent oil deal with the Kurdish Regional Government, undermining the national Iraqi government in Baghdad. ExxonMobil did not ask permission. After the fact, Tillerson arranged a conference call with State Department officials and explained his actions, according to my sources, by saying, “I had to do what was best for my shareholders.”

The goal of ExxonMobil’s independent foreign policy has been to promote a world that is good for oil and gas production. Because oil projects require huge amounts of capital and only pay off fully over decades, Tillerson has favored doing business in countries that offer political stability, even if this stability was achieved through authoritarian rule. As he once put it, “We’re really thinking about, well, what is it going to be fifteen, twenty years from now, and so what are the conditions in some of these countries likely to be?”

The corporation maintains a political-intelligence and analysis department at its headquarters in Irving, Texas, staffed by former government officials, which tries to predict the stability of countries many years into the future by analyzing demographics, employment, political control, and other “fundamentals.” Although ExxonMobil has a stated policy of promoting human rights, and has incorporated the advice of human-rights activists in its corporate-security policies, it nonetheless works as a partner to dictators under a version of the Prime Directive on the original “Star Trek”: It does not interfere in the politics of host countries. The right kinds of dictators can be more predictable and profitable than democracies.

ExxonMobil has had more luck making money in Equatorial Guinea, a small, oil-rich West African dictatorship that has been ruled for decades by a single family, than in Alaska, where raucous electoral politics has made it hard for Exxon to nail down stable deal terms. Similarly, ExxonMobil promotes the rule of law around the world—especially that part of the rule of law that favors international investment and makes international contracts enforceable.
In nominating Tillerson, Trump is handing the State Department to a man who has worked his whole life running a parallel quasi-state, for the benefit of shareholders, fashioning relationships with foreign leaders that may or may not conform to the interests of the United States government. In his career at ExxonMobil, Tillerson has no doubt honed many of the day-to-day skills that a Secretary of State must exercise: absorbing complex political analysis, evaluating foreign leaders, attending ceremonial events, and negotiating with friends and adversaries. Tillerson is a devotee of Abraham Lincoln, so perhaps he has privately harbored the ambition to transform himself into a true statesman, on behalf of all Americans. Yet it is hard to imagine, after four decades at ExxonMobil and a decade leading the corporation, how Tillerson will suddenly develop respect and affection for the American diplomatic service he will now lead, or embrace a vision of America’s place in the world that promotes ideals for their own sake, emphatically privileging national interests over private ones.
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Regarding the Russian hacking, Kurt Eichenwald on
https://storify.com/NotEasyBNGreen/real-peotus-vs-trump

"Real PEOTUS vs Trump
Comparison of what *should* happen to how Trump has actually behaved"
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Rex Tillerson as the SoS of US means a couple things:

1. Any deal or progress on climate change policy is dead on arrival.
2. Diplomacy is purely business transactional now and is contingent on oil exploration and energy markets
3. We are definitely heading for interesting times.
Call him T-Rex (happens to be name of a big dinosaurs (Tyrannosaurus Rex)). This dude is not a career politician but a deep deep insider. Trump is following up with his election promise. Saudi Arabia is in pushed into trouble (including financial) and they are about to privatize their oil wealth....connect the dots.

Trump Wants to Steal Middle East Oil, and He’s Not Alone
“Take the oil” isn’t just an applause line — it’s a policy that has been discussed in Washington for decades.
Kit saar, Stratfor is the last place on planet web to understand dollar strength, Bretton Woods etc. Dollar's strength is "accepted" but its absolute level is very controversial. Pulling up Bloomberg screen to see Dollar chart, going up, is not good enough. Because most of what gets portrayed in the MSM is based on false reporting. If you happen to find out solid data point that suggests dollar's absolute strength, I'm curious learn about it. About India, in new coined term "Fragile Five" is also bit controversial. With capital slowly moving east, this is not going to be permanent, and hope India makes sure it becomes that way.
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Hitesh wrote:Rex Tillerson as the SoS of US means a couple things:

1. Any deal or progress on climate change policy is dead on arrival.
2. Diplomacy is purely business transactional now and is contingent on oil exploration and energy markets
3. We are definitely heading for interesting times.
Good. Hopefully the US will pull out of the UN Framework on climate change which will in effect nullify the Paris Agreement. It will serve two purposes, one diminish the role of the UN and secondly allow India to build lots of coal and NG plants for cheap power. This will clean up the air and particulate emissions by preventing the burning of wood and reducing diesel generators.
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Donald Trump hints US 'One China' policy could end

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38282825
Speaking in an interview with Fox News broadcast on Sunday, Mr Trump said: "I don't know why we have to be bound by a One China policy unless we make a deal with China having to do with other things, including trade."

Mr Trump also said China was not co-operating with the US on its handling of its currency, on North Korea, or on tensions in the South China Sea.
"I don't want China dictating to me and this was a call put into me," Mr Trump said. "It was a very nice call. Short. And why should some other nation be able to say I can't take a call?

"I think it actually would've been very disrespectful, to be honest with you, not taking it."
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https://twitter.com/JamesGRickards/stat ... 0704225280

Jim Rickards
‏@JamesGRickards

Entire Japanese parliament (Diet) was on a CIA payroll from 1950 to 1970. Now #Obama wants a report on Russian "influence" in U.S. politics.
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Austin, I don't pay any attention to these silly, pompous conspiracy claims put out by US deep state agencies and lapped up like robots by the US media and public at large. Another manifestation of the supreme nationalism prevalent in US taken of course to the extreme by that thug Trump.

I mean, nobody has the b@llas nor the honesty to question US govt and its deep state on the harakiri including espionage, cyber hacking etc that US does elsewhere like what you pointed out (closer to home we know the number of sepoys US has in India including those EJs under the garb of hellping Daleeets) . Even the US people have short memory that they have forgotten NSA snooping with willing collaborators like Microsoft, yahoo etc. All of this useless talk is just that, hot air. Election season is over, extreme right wing white Christian nationalists have taken over, and so some nonsense to fill in the 24 hour news cycle.
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svinayak wrote:
Fake news
Just ignore all such news. This is a FUD campaign
What part do you think is fake? Mr. T and his staff's outrage at CIA is public news. Alleged Russian interference has been public news for months, and now CIA has confirmed it.

If you think any of this is fake then please furnish your argument and evidence.
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Wash Post wrote:Trump dismisses CIA conclusion about Russia’s role in election as ‘ridiculous’

On his first Sunday show appearance since the election, Trump also denied the importance of the daily intelligence briefing: "I get it when I need it. ... I don't have to be told the same thing in the same words every single day for the next eight years."
:D
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Austin wrote:https://twitter.com/JamesGRickards/stat ... 0704225280

Jim Rickards
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Entire Japanese parliament (Diet) was on a CIA payroll from 1950 to 1970. Now #Obama wants a report on Russian "influence" in U.S. politics.
Japan is a legatee of the US. We wrote their constitution. We recreated their economy.
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TSJones, in other words, the puppet masters. Yes sir, we know.

Has the US been "orange" revolutioned :lol:

Instead think about the great democrazy of US, it is the intelligence services which will certify whether an election is correct or not. Gestapo would have been proud to receive such suggestions :rotfl:

US elections = football between Saudi and Russian intelligence :P
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yeah it was called world war 2. :roll: duh......
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From a State apparatus standpoint, CIA is effectively declaring half the electorate as Russia's useful fools.

The US deep state isn't even bothering to realize that they're effectively positioning important institutions of the State against an elected President. This is a rabbit hole which - if the CIA and the deep state have any brains - they shouldn't dig any deeper than they already have.
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Dipanker wrote:
What part do you think is fake? Mr. T and his staff's outrage at CIA is public news. Alleged Russian interference has been public news for months, and now CIA has confirmed it.

If you think any of this is fake then please furnish your argument and evidence.
And you believe Santa Clause is real because OMG, Megan Kelley from Fox news or Anderson Cooper told you so? I don't know how long you have lived in US, or if you were born here, but elementary US 101 will tell you that US only puts out in the open what is acceptable for some silly Dem Vs Rep debate where the heavy weights set the tone, and the mouthpieces repeat from both sides regurgitate the party line position. Most often, US shoots first and then talks.

Russia would not have not hacked US anymore than what US does to Russia or everybody else. And even if Russia did, at best they might have stolen "secrets" about how in the world did David Patreus donk Paula Broadwell in such a small space as under his table. Maybe Putin wanted those "secrets" to put to use on the many chics who hang around with him. Nothing more.

I recall one of the most hilarious propaganda US deep state puts and CNN/Fox and other media went berserk. And that was when that clown Dick Cheney said some biological or chemical attack by the mighty Al Queda was imminent in US and everybody should go to Lowes, Walmart, and Home depot to by duct tape and close the gaps between the floor and doors in their homes. People actually heeded this kind of garbage. I wish I owned a hardware store and sold duct tape. I would have made a killing :-).
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there are too many day dreams happening in the liberal world of USA who are nothing but sore losers. The desperation is added to day dreams. They better get over and live in the reality.
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Why??
Let them live longer in their dreams, they do not understand that it is showing the emperor and his values as naked. Good for the world and bad for their sepoys in the long run.
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The battle royal is on. Between the backers of the ME oil kings (in the US Senate)(and perhaps the Intel community) and Trump + Putin.

"Steal the oil".
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Virupaksha wrote:TSJones, in other words, the puppet masters. Yes sir, we know.

Has the US been "orange" revolutioned :lol:

Instead think about the great democrazy of US, it is the intelligence services which will certify whether an election is correct or not. Gestapo would have been proud to receive such suggestions :rotfl:

US elections = football between Saudi and Russian intelligence :P
It is actually purple revolution
http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=56307
The Purple Revolution Must Be Stopped Before It Really Gets Started

Isn’t it extremely odd that neither the POTUS nor ex-Candidate Clinton
have tried to discourage the nationwide riots and protest?!

State of the Nation

Truly, it was only a matter of time before a CIA color revolution was staged right in America’s own back yard.

Soros’s “Purple Revolution” brewing for Trump presidency
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Am in India and have been meeting relatives. All of them ask me about Trump and fearfully want to know what a Trump Presidency will mean to Indian companies. :shock:
I just tell them what Trump has said, but what he will actually do, no one knows.
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you really should tell the relatives that the days of easy Y2k style outsourcing sugar from khan daddy is over and indian cos at various levels will have to find their own way forward.

trump acting tough will be a watershed moment and a wakeup call.
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Indians may end up doing better if they start doing more actual and critical software development here in India and sell it all around the world. As a mango man, I do not know how we got into this self-image of great software power when hardly anything developed by India company is around for a day to day computer user.

Is DT pressing China on Trade with "No One China Policy" any more threat? :mrgreen:
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^^^^^

I agree.

This outsourcing and H1B was OK for a while. Ever since it has stunted growth in India.

KJo,

Software has already headed in a diff direction. IIRC, Indian software companies have already seen a decline of 10-20%. Cloud is the biggest contributor, but automated systems are catching up. A programmer, the way we know them, should be ancient soon.

Trump, IMHO, is an angle in disguise for India IMHO
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Mort Walker wrote:
Hitesh wrote:Rex Tillerson as the SoS of US means a couple things:

1. Any deal or progress on climate change policy is dead on arrival.
2. Diplomacy is purely business transactional now and is contingent on oil exploration and energy markets
3. We are definitely heading for interesting times.
Good. Hopefully the US will pull out of the UN Framework on climate change which will in effect nullify the Paris Agreement. It will serve two purposes, one diminish the role of the UN and secondly allow India to build lots of coal and NG plants for cheap power. This will clean up the air and particulate emissions by preventing the burning of wood and reducing diesel generators.
You are only thinking of short term. You need to think about the long term, especially when it comes to issues of coastal flooding and higher tide waters due to climate change. We still need to reduce our carbon footprint. So I do not think we should build more coal plants. We need to build more solar power farms and build more solar panel manufacturing plants and battery plants. We need to woo and persuade Elon Musks type of people and invest in India and build up those industries.

I do not think Rex Tillerson is a good choice, but then again, I do not think Trump is a good choice for presidency. So we just need to ride out this term, hopefully only four years.
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Muppalla wrote:there are too many day dreams happening in the liberal world of USA who are nothing but sore losers. The desperation is added to day dreams. They better get over and live in the reality.
No they are not sore losers. This is a real legitimate concern and your attempt of rubbishing or denigrating those who share the concerns only serve to highlight the fact that you or any Trump supporter are living in a reality distorted field.
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Hitesh wrote: You are only thinking of short term. You need to think about the long term, especially when it comes to issues of coastal flooding and higher tide waters due to climate change.
Mort is thinking long term from Indian perspective. While you are thinking long term from US perspective. Twain can never meet. Climate change science is hocus-pocus.
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In the long run I don't think Trump will have a problem confirming Tillerson once the initial chatter quiets down and they get into the weeds of his positions on a lot of issues. He comes recommended by Condoleezza Rice and Bob Gates, is on friendly terms with James Baker and is Bob Corker approved. He is a conservative darling in the house and is likely to be praised there including those congressional republicans backed by the Koch brothers which is important in the senate as well.

All this chat about him and Putin neglects that it was a transactional relationship on behalf of Exxon which trades with all major oil producers including those in the Middle East. At the moment there are likely to be 7 GOP senators that may object to him including 3 in committee so he obliviously can't be confirmed as things stand. I expect all but a couple of GOP senators to strongly resist and most will come on board if Trump, and Tillerson are willing to invest political capital into this..Hayden also approved of him and he isn't exactly on the same terms with Trump on NatSec issues. If approved Tillerson, Mattis, , and Pempeo along with Flynn will probably as a team be acceptable if not celebrated by the neocon. wing of the party while they are outside enough to keep the tea-party wing of the party interested (Pompeo is a tea party republican and Mattis and flynn are ex officers respected by most in GOP). Bolton is probably too hawkish to pass committee as Deputy specially now given that the swing vote (Rand Paul) has come out so against him but the rest should but Trump has yet to decide on whether to pursue Tillerson which would require reaching out to the committee members in the senate.
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panduranghari wrote:
Hitesh wrote: You are only thinking of short term. You need to think about the long term, especially when it comes to issues of coastal flooding and higher tide waters due to climate change.
Mort is thinking long term from Indian perspective. While you are thinking long term from US perspective. Twain can never meet. Climate change science is hocus-pocus.
even modest sea level rises will see quite major changes in the Indian coast line - particularly east coast and the delta region, and the melting of the Himalayan ice sheets will have quite drastic effects on the river systems that come down from the mountains. the impact of which will be severe in India. whilst india has a lot of coal and it makes economic sense to exploit it, it is not of the cleaner type and its use with current technology will create a lot more emissions which will lead to a lot more environmental problems.

the consensus opinion in the scientific community on climate change is that it is definitely NOT hocus pocus. whilst there are many many effects from the micro oscillations of the earth on weather, there is definitely warming going on to which human energy usage is contributing. more fossil fuel usage in its current form does not bode well for anyone
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