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Good. Hopefully the US will pull out of the UN Framework on climate change which will in effect nullify the Paris Agreement. It will serve two purposes, one diminish the role of the UN and secondly allow India to build lots of coal and NG plants for cheap power. This will clean up the air and particulate emissions by preventing the burning of wood and reducing diesel generators.
Not that easy (for both the US and India).

On the US side, states play a more important role, lead by California (which has one of the largest economies in the world - all by itself). And major states in the US are already leaning towards renewable energies. So,I very much doubt anyone would buy the "clean coal" Trump talks about. He can revive the coal mining only if there are buyers for that coal. Whom does he plan on selling to at a profit?

On the Indian side, today, 28%+ is already renewable. With the world's largest solar unit Comming up in India and the investment in nuclear plants, there is no looking back. With advances on the consumption side (LED,etc) the amount of electricity needs (relative to today's consumer goods) will go down.

IMHO, it will be better for future Indians to bite the bullet and do the right thing.

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NRao wrote: IMHO, it will be better for future Indians to bite the bullet and do the right thing.

India should not get into any dogmatic position on this. The only right thing for us should be is what is in our interests at that point in time.

Today if fossil fuels help us be more competitive, that is where our interest lie. At the same time if newer renewable tech gives us a competitive advantage, we should move towards that.
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on the flip side, respiratory illnesses from highly polluted air and filthy untreated rivers have an immediate cost in healthcare and majorly impact quality of life...
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Polluted air in India comes from burning wood, rags, and waste for cooking and heat (in NCR), and also from vehicles and diesel generators. This is because the price of power and transportation fuel is too high. Building lots of coal and NG plants to provide cheap power less than Rs. 2/- KWHr unit will go a long way in reducing air pollution. It would also have an incentive to use electric vehicles.

Solar and wind power is too expensive. As it is Kamuthi solar plant is a white elephant as power is too expensive and it will soon become idle and rust into garbage within 5-7 years.

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I would not think it is expensive if it is said w.o any backing data
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T. Rex is good for India or at least from India's perspective in this initial period. Let T.Rex roar and tear up the Paris COP and UN Framework. India's purpose is immediately served and Modiji can pull out of these BS agreements without repercussions. The EU can FO.

Global warming has many sources, but anthropogenic effects are very small. If we were to take humans out of this scenario, climate change would happen as it has for the past billion years. The earth has had over 1000 PPM of carbon in the past before humans. Geologic, solar and astronomical activity has contributed more to climate change than anything else. India needs lots of cheap power to lower particulate emissions which are harmful to our health. That cheap power won't come from solar and wind. It will be coal, NG and hydroelectric.
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On GHG., plying electric vehicles using coal based power generators is more cleaner than plying vehicles using petrol/diesel. Further., putting in more coal based electricity generation takes out the inefficient diesel based power generators to fix the electricity blackouts. A better alternative is a coal based power plant providing cheaper electricity than using inefficient energy sources.

This is counter-intuitive but important.

However what Obama did along with China was to ram down the GHG emission treaty down India's throat without providing support for Nuclear energy. This is where US was acting with its double standards., keeping nations energy deficient is the new colonialism.

India has vast coal reserves and it must use it. Wring every KWH out of its domestic sources and rely less on other nations for its energy needs.
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NRao wrote:On the US side, states play a more important role, lead by California (which has one of the largest economies in the world - all by itself). And major states in the US are already leaning towards renewable energies. So,I very much doubt anyone would buy the "clean coal" Trump talks about. He can revive the coal mining only if there are buyers for that coal. Whom does he plan on selling to at a profit?
'Clean coal' lowering the price of electricity will convert even Californians into using it. At the end of the day., if local coal is powering your EVs., it is a shift in energy source consumption and that actually will lead to lesser GHGs.

For example., a EV currently is 4x more efficient compared to its ICE counterpart. And 2x efficient compared to a ICE/Hybrid counterpart. And as much cheap on mpg/mpge at retail dollar calculation (at 10c/KWH & $2.50 per gallon). Now if electricity price falls say half per KWH., EV become 8x more cheaper than ICE counterpart or at 2.5c/KWH (retail) it becomes 16x more cheaper. The miles per gallon electric equivalent remains the same. So at 2.5c/KWH., one can have a car which is 16x cheaper to operate and is 4x efficient.

Change the US Passenger fleet to EV and immediately a huge demand for electricity opens up. So what if the ME collapses on cheap oil., cheap energy going to other nations will power them to development.

So to say 'Clean Coal' does not have consumers., that is a misnomer.
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Bart S wrote:
NRao wrote: IMHO, it will be better for future Indians to bite the bullet and do the right thing.

India should not get into any dogmatic position on this. The only right thing for us should be is what is in our interests at that point in time.

Today if fossil fuels help us be more competitive, that is where our interest lie. At the same time if newer renewable tech gives us a competitive advantage, we should move towards that.
When you say "competetive" what are you taking into the equation? Health cost? Water? Anything else?

India cannot manage the entire cost. It is too expensive.

The US has already spent Trillions cleaning up. India can never hope to survive such a disaster. It I'd like a seesaw. If you think something is going up, something else is bound to be going down. Banning of plastic bags is a very example.
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Mort Walker wrote:T. Rex is good for India or at least from India's perspective in this initial period. Let T.Rex roar and tear up the Paris COP and UN Framework. India's purpose is immediately served and Modiji can pull out of these BS agreements without repercussions. The EU can FO.

Global warming has many sources, but anthropogenic effects are very small. If we were to take humans out of this scenario, climate change would happen as it has for the past billion years. The earth has had over 1000 PPM of carbon in the past before humans. Geologic, solar and astronomical activity has contributed more to climate change than anything else. India needs lots of cheap power to lower particulate emissions which are harmful to our health. That cheap power won't come from solar and wind. It will be coal, NG and hydroelectric.
Climate change is one thing. Five mass extinctions and all.

Pollution is another.

Old cars, diesels, thermal power plants and burning plant waste lead to the deplorable conditions in ND during winter. And in Mumbai during spring when a dark yellowish cloud hangs over Nariman Point much like Sauron's threatening finger.

Agree that last time Co2 levels were this high was ~300MYA. Modern humans are what ~76,000 years ago? Climate change mitigation advocacy has attracted the like of Leonardo Di Caprio who jets around in a 747 to collect awards for his role.

If the Donald disavows Paris, it's good for India. We can use air conditioners :)
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Clean coal' lowering the price of electricity will convert even Californians into using it. At the end of the day., if local coal is powering your EVs., it is a shift in energy source consumption and that actually will lead to lesser GHGs.
Coal is cheap.

Clean coal is not. This clean coal is some 40-50 year old arg. Been through it. Trump, as usual $hits and expects someone else to pick it up.

As for India it will be a disaster.

As I said in the climate thread, it will lead to war. No two ways. When is the question
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^^^The Obama administration pushed shale oil/gas production for cheap energy and let Americans buy big SUVs and pickups while the rest of the world pays outrageous taxes on such vehicles. Why should the rest of the world not have affordable Ford 150 trucks and powerful SUVs? We all want them.
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There is climate change thread., I do believe that GHGs cause climate change - but the pseudo-green and dumbocrats never want to look at nuclear or coal as an alternative energy source to get out of oil based energy sources. Solar and Wind currently cannot replace the existing capacity., leaving alone catering to new capacity.

'Clean Coal' is as good or bad as oil based energy sources. At least on the CO2 emissions.

To the argument that 'Clean coal' is not cheap is a wrong argument., of the waste byproduct of coal namely ashes, particulate matter and CO2 that needs to be processed - the former two ashes and particulate matter can be processed cheaply.

Clean coal is compared to Solar for comparison on 'cleanliness' but the pseudo-greens and dumbocrats do not take into account the energy load of creating a PV cell (solar cell) and the comparison is only w.r.t carbon sequestration. That is getting rid of CO2.

Now Carbon sequestration can be done in many ways., for the existing coal plants - they can invest in creating that many equivalent forests/trees OR figure out costly ways to divert the CO2 for sequestration.

For newly built plants., that can incorporate sequestration right from start and it comes out cheaper. Of course if one learns science from Sierra club then all bets on what is clean and what is not are off.
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India needs lots and lots of nuclear power which is clean and that is the ONLY clean and green energy. Not these Rube Goldberg devices like solar panels and windmills. I fully expect the Donald to push the IUSCNA so this can happen big time. Hopefully the aberration of the Obama administration energy policies can be put to rest until Jan. 2025.
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Mort Walker wrote:^^^The Obama administration pushed shale oil/gas production for cheap energy and let Americans buy big SUVs and pickups while the rest of the world pays outrageous taxes on such vehicles. Why should the rest of the world not have affordable Ford 150 trucks and powerful SUVs? We all want them.
Modi promised to clean ONE river in India. Where is he today?

Point being it is FAR more expensive to clean up than to establish good habits.

The US has ALREADY paid this price - in Trillions of US Dollars. Many NRIs came when the US needed help. The contributions made by today's Indians pales before those from India did.

You could very, very easily equip the IAF with brand new planes - all 43 squads + the IN with 4/5 carrier groups and still not spend enough to clean a river.

Think about it.

India really cannot afford to follow the Trump camp. The US cannot afford it, but then that is diff story.

We ALL have to scale back from those gas guzzling vehicles.
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NRao wrote:Modi promised to clean ONE river in India. Where is he today?
Strawman argument. He is well ahead of what Rajiv started as Ganga Action Plan in 1985. Read that up and then bring in straw man arguments.
We ALL have to scale back from those gas guzzling vehicles.
Please buy a EV and install solar panels on your roof! As a start. And BTW., do exactly opposite of what GreenPeace says or does.
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disha wrote:
NRao wrote:Modi promised to clean ONE river in India. Where is he today?
Strawman argument. He is well ahead of what Rajiv started as Ganga Action Plan in 1985. Read that up and then bring in straw man arguments.
Good that he is ahead. Of what exactly? Talk of strawmsn


Please buy a EV and install solar panels on your roof! As a start. And BTW., do exactly opposite of what GreenPeace says or does.
Better still rent one and sell the excess to the utility. :wink:

Oh. How about heated driveway too?
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I dream of an India where:

* Everyone has clean air to breathe and clean water to drink
* Petrol is Rs. 1/- per liter
* 100 1000MW nuclear reactors
* 5 nuclear powered aircraft carrier groups
* 5000 LCA-Tejas and 5000 Arjuns
* Every adult has at least a Tata Indica
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[quote="NRao"]Good that he is ahead. Of what exactly? Talk of strawmsn[quote]

Here: http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease. ... lid=148351 and here http://nmcg.nic.in/pdf/Pollution%20Assessment.pdf

Now can you please tell us what was the progress on Ganga Action Plan by Rajiv (in other threads). Talk of straw man. :wink:

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One step more., sell the excess to neighborhood., setup a small neighbor hood grid. Or better still., do what the Texans at Georgetown did. Or better deregulate the electric industry like Texas. - Check this out http://grist.org/cities/this-texas-town ... -and-wind/
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NRao, Don't bring in NaMo into this thread. It would be thread hijack.
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A Popular Mechanics article from 2011.

The Myth of Clean Coal: Analysis
Will coal become the clean, green fuel of the future? Not so fast.



Coal is dirtiest of them all even dirtier than wood, building coal power plant for cleaner air is akin to f***ing for virginity, pardon the pun!

In India almost no pre processing of steam coal is done before burning it in the furnace.
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^^^shouldn't this be in 'Solar Power in India'??
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I liked it better when ppl were throwing lumps of fragrant "clean coal" non-fossilized, at each other over HiC vs. Zee. This whole line is predicated on the assumption that a) POTUS will be Trump, which implies huge assumptions about the conclusion of the thrilling Green Party Recounts 2 Restore Faith In US Elections, b) POTUS will renege on whatever US agreed at Paris (who the heck sticks to what was 'agreed' in Paris anyway? Watch 'Casablanca' for details..)
c) The US DID agree to something in Paris.

AFAIK, US position on Climate Control is a) :P to Oiropean scams, b) US activities to reduce GHG are ahead of where US might have been under Kyoto Kyotas. Indian position is about the same in both regards. IIRC, there was a $10B investment by US to get Indian Solar PV and other renewables efforts boosted, in order to bring down per unit costs. This is succeeding quite well in improving quality of life and providing good jobs (even beyond all the ppl employed in investigating/covering up/ profiting from/ misreporting / gossiping on the Solar Scams), no reason to back down from there.
BTW, I must have read wrong. Did someone say that India is at 28% Renewables in power generation? :eek: Isn't it more like 2%? Or is that without including hydro electric? I thought even with hydroelectric, which is certainly renewable and sustainable, its much less than 10%.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... ia/510317/
....it’s worth distinguishing two different strains of conservative foreign-policy thinking during the cold war. Civilizational conservatives like Jerry Falwell and Pat Buchanan saw the cold war as a struggle between two countries defined primarily by their view of God: The Judeo-Christian United States versus the atheistic Soviet Union. Ideological conservatives like Paul Wolfowitz and Elliot Abrams, by contrast, saw the cold war as a conflict between two countries defined primarily by their view of government: the liberty-loving United States versus the totalitarian USSR. (A third group, composed of realists like Henry Kissinger and George Kennan, saw the cold war as a traditional great power conflict between two countries defined primarily by their geopolitical heft.)
In the 1990s, Serbs brutalized the largely Muslim breakaway republic of Bosnia. Ideological conservatives like Robert Kagan urged NATO to intervene in the name of human rights. Cultural conservatives like Buchanan wondered why the U.S. was going to war to defend Muslims against Christians. Ideological conservatives saw Russia, Serbia’s traditional ally, as defending tyranny and ethnic cleansing. Cultural conservatives saw Russia as defending Christendom.
Ideological conservatives loathe Putin because he represents an authoritarian challenge to the American-backed order in Europe and the Middle East. But many civilizational conservatives, who once opposed the Soviet Union because of its atheism, now view Putin’s Russia as Christianity’s front line against the new civilizational enemy: Islam.
Among the alt-right, Putin is a very popular man. He’s popular because he resists the liberal, cosmopolitan values that Muslims supposedly exploit to undermine the West. Richard Spencer, who was until recently married to a pro-Putin Russian writer, has called Russia the “sole white power in the world.”
Trump is building on this shift to recast GOP foreign policy. He’s moving it away from an ideological confrontation with authoritarian Russia and toward a civilizational conflict with Islam.
Will the GOP define Americanism as the defense of a set of universal principles or as the defense of a racial and religious heritage? The answer won’t only help determine how well liberal democracy fares overseas. It will help determine how well it fares at home.
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If this idea of DT is moving towards joining anti-Jihadi forces along with Russia, then we may have good relations with the US during his tenure. However, the same drama of stopping Pakis from becoming a jihadi nation will be played by US SD even under him.
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disha wrote:
NRao wrote:Modi promised to clean ONE river in India. Where is he today?
Strawman argument. He is well ahead of what Rajiv started as Ganga Action Plan in 1985. Read that up and then bring in straw man arguments.
We ALL have to scale back from those gas guzzling vehicles.
Please buy a EV and install solar panels on your roof! As a start. And BTW., do exactly opposite of what GreenPeace says or does.
Amritanandmayi seems to have quietly contributed a Rs 100 crores to the clean ganga project and that too way way before this note bandi clampdown.
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Notwithstanding the Indo-US bonhomie in recent times,the fact is that extension of job contracts and visas are going to be a burning issue if Trump goes ahead with his intentions "to bring US jobs back home".There are other portents too as to how far will we go with the US without repercussions in our long term relations with Russia and send the PRC into an even stronger anti-India mode with fuller support for Pak.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/opinion/ ... level.html
Are India-US ties going to a new level?
DECCAN CHRONICLE.
Published Dec 13, 2016,

Mr Modi also laid out his agenda for ties with America.
Prime Minister Narendra Modi with US President Barack Obama (Photo: AP/File)
Prime Minister Narendra Modi with US President Barack Obama (Photo: AP/File)
Although of uncertain value, India-US relations took a mammoth stride last week when the US Senate cleared a bill which characterises India as a “major defence partner”, a description which President Barack Obama already conferred on this country during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Washington in June. On that visit, Mr Modi had waxed eloquent about the need to “overcome the hesitations of history”, in the process making his disavowal known of the history of India-US ties, which was rooted in India’s pronounced hesitation to accept any country’s hegemony. Mr Modi also laid out his agenda for ties with America.

The joint statement signed when US secretary of state John Kerry was here in August had noted that robust defence ties were the “bedrock” of bilateral ties. In this context, it made a reference to the Logistics Exchange Memorandum of Agreement (Lemoa), a “foundational” defence agreement that defence minister Manohar Parrikar and US defence secretary Ashton Carter had just signed, and the title of “major defence partner” that President Obama envisaged. America has entertained major security arrangements with several countries after World War II, the most important being Nato. In other geographical theatres, the association was typically categorised as “major non-Nato ally”. The list includes Pakistan which is now seeking to spread its eggs to the Chinese basket. As for the spheres of defence and security, India has thus reached parity with Pakistan in pursuit of US favours. “Major defence partner” and “major non-Nato ally” are the same in practical terms.

It’s all about sharing defence technologies, co-production of armaments and dovetailing defence plans with the US approach through coordination in military logistics, and in strategic and satellite communications and sensors. Lemoa is in the bag, although our Air Force and Navy weren’t quite enthusiastic about it. Soon enough, CISMOA and BECA, that will complete the garland of “foundational” agreements for defence ties with the US to prosper, may be expected to be finalised. Next we could even have American military advisers in North Block! Deep-going defence relations with America are likely to impact our foreign and commercial relations with the US — and the rest of the world — to a defining degree. We already share a common view on China through the joint “vision” on the Asia-Pacific. There are two imponderables, though — the impact of all this on traditional friends like Russia and Iran; and whether President-elect Donald Trump, after taking over, will be as internationalist as his predecessors and care too much for inter-penetrative defence relations.
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You can believe it, I dont. Because there is no evidence for the claimed 'change'. Evidence has to be backed by factual data over a reasonable time frame. There is none. The data collected should be reproducible. Its not. Even the NOAA data. The models needs to include so many variables, that human mind cant comprehend them yet. But we have brainwashed masses claiming climate change. Now even the supposed, Antarctic ice shelf is shown to be exactly as it was 116 years ago. So much for climate change.

Today questioning climate science is close enough to reasoning given for burning heretics at the stake in medieval Europe- Failure to accept the orthodoxy.
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Climate change is not the only part of this new orthodoxy. There are others like Gay marriage and even Globalism is now one of them after Brixit. So-called MSM is the new mob that will burn the people who do not agree with it on the altar of public opinion which is selectively shaped by it and the left-liberal gang.
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The US’ debt $100 trilliion of unfunded liabilities
No matter who won the presidency, the economic way forward was not going to be easy. The Republican team understands they must “stand and deliver.” But as we will see, that is not going to be easy.

I’m going to depart from the normal format, where I talk about the economic realities we face and how we should invest, and instead offer my view of what I think the Trump administration and the GOP-led Congress should do.

But first, let’s look briefly at where we are now—at the constraining facts that any economic proposal must take into consideration.

The US’ debt spree


Total US debt, including private and business debt, is $67 trillion, or just under 400% of GDP. We have 95 million people not in the labor force. 15 million of them are not employed. That’s twice the number officially unemployed.

We have almost 2 million prison inmates, 43 million living in poverty, 43 million receiving food stamps, 57 million Medicare enrollees, and 73 million Medicaid recipients—and 31 million still remain without health insurance..

The US federal government debt will be slightly north of $20 trillion before Obama leaves office in January. Local and state debt is another $3 trillion. That is a total of more than $23 trillion of government debt. The US economy will be a few hundred billion dollars under $19 trillion at the end of this year. That is a debt-to-GDP ratio of somewhat over 121%.

That debt has risen roughly $10 trillion under Obama, in just eight years. Last year, the debt rose $1.4 trillion, even though we were told that the budget deficit was less than $600 billion.

This US debt total does not even take into account the over $100 trilliion of unfunded liabilities at local, state, and federal levels. These are going to have to be paid for at some point.

A drag on our growth


I bring up the size of the debt because unproductive debt is a limiting factor on growth. 10 years ago, it wasn’t that big of a deal. Today, it is. The more we increase our debt, the more difficult it is going to be to grow our way out of our problem with the debt.

That’s just an empirical fact.

Both Europe and Japan have much larger debt ratios than we do, and both have much slower growth rates. Note also that the velocity of money in both those regions is much lower than ours, and the velocity of money in every developing portion of the world continues to drop. (More about that below.)

Something like $5.5 trillion is “intergovernmental debt.” The theoretical Social Security trust fund is an example. We “owe it to ourselves,” and so many economists simply deduct that money when they talk about the size of the total debt. And technically, it is true that we pay interest on that debt, which comes back to the government. But that doesn’t mean those debts aren’t going have to be paid.

For economists to talk about this portion of the debt as irrelevant is economic malpractice. It is smoke and mirrors economics of the worst kind. But even if we did dismiss $5.5 trillion dollars of internal debt, the government’s debt-to-GDP ratio would still be almost 100% when you include state and local debt.

And that is definitely in the range where all the data and economic analysis suggests that debt is a detriment and a drag on growth.

“Deficits don’t matter”


Vice President Dick Cheney once remarked that “Deficits don’t matter” as he defended his spending on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

And when he said it, he was more or less correct. Then, the deficit as a percentage of GDP was less than nominal GDP growth, which meant that the country was growing faster than the debt was. (Later, it turned out that deficits did matter when the spending on everything else plus defense spun out of control.)

And for those people who say that tax cuts create growth, I would suggest that 2% growth for 16 years is not exactly what we were expecting. And much of the growth we did get during the housing bubble years was clearly spurious.

Yes, the US economy has grown at something like an average 2% for the last 16 years. Inflation was higher in the early years, but now it is about 1.5%, which gives us nominal GDP growth of about 3.5%. Total debt this year rose by 6.8%, or almost double our growth rate. Not the right direction.

After eight years of the slowest economic recovery in history, we are growing our debt dramatically faster than we are growing our country—even when we include inflation.

What should Trump do?

Republicans want to cut corporate and individual taxes to help stimulate growth. That is a necessary but not sufficient condition to stimulate growth. Significant regulatory rollback will help. It is also necessary but not sufficient.

Fixing the Affordable Care Act and bringing costs and benefits into alignment is another necessary but not sufficient condition for growth.

So here’s what I see as the only way forward if we want to dodge a deep recession and/or a greater crisis in the future.

Cut the corporate tax rate to 15% on all income over $100,000. No deductions for anything. Period. A 10% tax rate on all net foreign income (with allowances for taxes paid against total income.) That will make us the most tax-friendly business nation in the world. International companies will not only move their headquarters here, they will bring their manufacturing and jobs with them.

Cut the individual tax rate to 20% for all income over $100,000. No deductions for anything. Period. No mortgage deduction, no charitable deductions. No nothing. Anybody who makes less than $100,000 will not pay income taxes and will not file. This will dramatically promote entrepreneurial activity and help small businesses.

We must make a serious effort to have a balanced budget and to fund healthcare and Social Security. That requires money. I would propose some form of a value-added tax (VAT) that would specifically pay for Social Security and healthcare.

Policy wonks are going to note that you would not need a 15% VAT just for healthcare. I would propose that we eliminate Social Security funding from both the individual and business side of the equation and take those costs from the VAT.

This would be a huge stimulus to the economy. Plus, VAT taxes can be deducted by businesses at the border when they export products. This would make us competitive with every other country in the world whose companies also deduct VATs at the border.

We need to jumpstart the economy. So I do think we need infrastructure spending, but I would do it a little bit differently. I would create an Infrastructure Commission that would authorize federally guaranteed bonds for cities, counties, and states. Read more here.

Roll back as many rules and regulations as possible. I would instruct every cabinet member to find—every year four years—5% of the rules and regulations within their purview and eliminate them. If they want to write a new rule, they have to find an old one to eliminate.

Trump will have two immediate appointments to the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve. He will have another two in another year, giving him four out of the seven governors. I would also imagine that, given the ambitions of some of the other current governors, they will opt for the much higher income available in private practice. Having a Federal Reserve that is more neutral in its policy making and that realizes that the role of the Fed should be to provide liquidity in times of major crisis and not to fine tune the economy, will do much to balance out the future.

Getting trade right will be tricky. It is one thing to talk about unfair trade agreements—and we have certainly signed a few. But we also need to recognize that some 11.5 million jobs in the US are dependent upon exports (about 40% of which are services). Frankly, if we drop our corporate tax to 15% and work on reducing the regulatory burden, I think we will be pleasantly surprised by how many jobs are created just by those steps alone.

As I look around the world I see other countries experiencing or getting ready to experience economic stress that is going to force them to allow their currencies to weaken against the dollar. The euro is already down by over 30%. The potential crisis in Italy could easily push the euro below parity. I can imagine a time when we will see some strange new policies being suggested because of the competitive pressures exerted by a strengthening dollar.

Final thoughts

Let me be very clear. If we don’t get the debt and deficit under control—and by that I mean that at a minimum we bring the annual increase in the national debt to below the level of nominal GDP growth—we will simply postpone an inevitable crisis. We have $100 trillion of unfunded liabilities that are going to come due in the next few decades. We have to get the entitlement problem figured out. And we must do it without blowing out the debt.

If we don’t, we will have a financial crisis that will rival the Great Depression. Not this year or next year, and probably not in Trump’s first term… but within 10 years? Very possibly, if we stay on our present trajectory.
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which part of 'having a different opinion' gives you guys so much khujli?
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Ah! Only the part where said opinion might differ from mine.
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ah hah! but then better to look at a mirror than bother with a forum...?
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Mirror says left when I say right.
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Evidently none of you are gardeners. Climate change is obvious to us gardeners.
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Now would be a good time to nudge Russia and USA to build TABI pipeline, starting in Russia and passing through Free Baluchistan, all the way to Gwadar, from where India can pick up the Oil and Gas!
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A_Gupta wrote:Evidently none of you are gardeners. Climate change is obvious to us gardeners.
I can tell you the daylight skies are darkening. that is a fact confirmed by a 100 years of water evaporation tests by the USDA, those guys are the real deal.
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Now we have to rely on gardeners to tell us climate is changing. Next Homer Simpson will be called upon and then Lisa will piskoanalyze Homer, who will concur with the gardeners.

Brian- I am not a messiah.
Reg- What Jesus blatantly fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem.
Mandy- Now, you listen here: 'e's not the Messiah, 'e's a very naughty boy! Now, go away!
Boring Prophet- And there shall in that time be rumours of things going astray, and there will be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia work base, that has an attachment…at this time, a friend shall lose his friends’s hammer and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before around eight o’clock...
Blood and Thunder Prophet - ... And the beast shall be huge and black, and the eyes thereof red with the blood of living creatures, and the whore of Babylon shall ride forth on a three-headed serpent, and throughout the lands, there'll be a great rubbing of parts. Yeeah...

No wonder the daylight skies are darkening as TSJ claims.
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when it comes to food production, horticulture, and live stock science the USDA has the research, from facilities around the world.

USDA was founded May 15, 1862.
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Human cause of climate change is accepted by vast majority of scientists. Lay persons in Delhi, Beijing and Bangalore will attest to it.
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