Levant crisis - III

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 20 Dec 2016 22:19

30,000 sorties is a shockingly high #, considering the vastly larger US coalition flew "only" 100,000 sorties in the 1991 Iraq war. The Russians' losses have also been amazingly low considering all those flights.

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 20 Dec 2016 22:21

90 - 100 sorties a day

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 20 Dec 2016 22:32

Bakistan also flew 750 sorties of Fizzle Ya aircraft per day, and lost 1,800,000 soldiers to martyrdom in the anti-terrorist Zarb e Azb operation. And spent $1 trillion per month in its efforts to combat terrorism.

I don't trust the official pronouncements of Russia any further than I trust those of the Pakis. That is, not any further than I can spit.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 21 Dec 2016 00:06

Tweeting girl Bana is being nurtured like Malala by West: Noble peace 2020?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-38363771

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 21 Dec 2016 00:10

Why is US interested in Palmyra now and why it was not interested before to this extent (regular bombing as claimed by BBC etc) ? It looks like with Rakka, Deir air Zor & Pamlyra under control of IS, sooner or later moderate rebels of US choice (AQ) will be mobilised to claim these towns and boundaries redrawn in ME.
This gives US backed AQ (moderate rebels) opportunity to breathe down Assad's neck with regular attacks on T4 & further West and keep them stretched,
(1000 cuts of ISI imported to West).
Also notice slag & drag on Mosul front, hardly any progress.
Things seem to be coming to a stand still.
This should be connected with Putin;s statement that Ru wants political solutions along with placating Turkey (and vice versa).

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 21 Dec 2016 00:13

Number of sorties could be inflated but goal has been achieved (Aleppo taken). ^^

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 21 Dec 2016 00:21

AYESHA ‏@ayeshamirza_ Dec 18
In 20 years a movie called “Aleppo” will win 7 Oscars & everyone will say “Something like that should never be allowed to happen again”

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 21 Dec 2016 00:43

IndraD wrote:AYESHA ‏@ayeshamirza_ Dec 18
In 20 years a movie called “Aleppo” will win 7 Oscars & everyone will say “Something like that should never be allowed to happen again”

If these Islamic attacks in US & Europe keep up, in 20 years the world will be at war with Islam, nationalists will be in power everywhere, and no one will even remember Aleppo.

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 21 Dec 2016 01:18

Doubt that considering how well islamists like Erdogan are treated by Putin,Obama and Trump alike.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Dec 2016 01:51

B, Please reduce the noise and more signal please. A lot of forum visitors come and all we get is your snide remarks on others and not much value addition. And many folks log in on phones.
So raham karo.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 21 Dec 2016 02:48

Russian Official Blames "Western Media" for Turkish Ambassador's Assassination

On Monday, Russian Ambassador to Turkey Andrey Karlov was assassinated in an Ankara art gallery by a gunman who shouted, "Don't forget Aleppo! Don't forget Syria!"Alexei Pushkov, a member of the Duma—the Russian legislature—and the former chairman of its foreign affairs committee, was quick to blame the Western media for inciting the attack through its coverage of Syria. "The hysteria around Aleppo raised by the Western media has consequences," he told LifeNews, a pro-Putin online news outlet and TV channel. "This murder is precisely a consequence of attempts to blame Russia for all the sins and crimes she did not commit. They are completely ignoring the crimes of fighters in Aleppo, and that forms a distorted and false picture of what is happening in this city, which contributed to this terrorist act…This is a result of anti-Russian hysteria, raised in the West and supported by a certain part of Turkish society."Pushkov made a similar point on his Twitter account, writing that "the death of the Russian ambassador in Turkey, a terrorist act, is the result of political and media hysteria around Aleppo from Russia's enemies."

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 21 Dec 2016 03:14

Why killing of Russian diplomat may well bring Turkey and Russia closer https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... sia-closer

Mustafa Akyol, a Turkish commentator, said Erdoğan and Putin will each want to point the finger at their perceived antagonists. “Both sides believe in a western conspiracy to set them against each other,” he said.

Diplomatic analysts said that neither leader had an incentive to disrupt a loose accord they have reached over Syria, allowing each to pursue their war aims. Turkey has ensured that its incursion into northern Syria did nothing to weaken the siege on Aleppo by Russian and pro-Assad forces. Meanwhile, Moscow is widely believed to have given its assent to Turkish ambitions to take the northern Syrian town of al-Bab, to further its aim of blocking the consolidation of a Kurdish ministate, Rojava, on Turkey’s southern flank.

“Russia and Turkey have every incentive to manage this crisis. The forced evacuation of Aleppo aids in Russia’s war effort, while Turkey has won Russian acquiescence to its efforts in [al-Bab] – which is intended to blunt Kurdish expansionism,” said Aaron Stein, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council thinktank.

He added that the assassination is likely to make bilateral ties more asymmetrical than they already are. “Russia has always had the upper hand. This just makes it stronger,” he said.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 21 Dec 2016 05:12

Five people in Egypt allegedly making fake videos purporting to show the wreckage of air strikes in the Syrian city of Aleppo have been arrested
(this shows Egypt firmly on Assad side now)
A camera and six mobile phones were seized at the scene. The photographer is still being held while authorities go through the material, officials said, but the other four suspects were released on bail.

Syrian activists and White Helmets rescue workers, until recently trapped inside east Aleppo’s siege barricades, have frequently been accused by critics of faking harrowing footage of the aftermath of bombings and digging survivors from rubble that have frequently emerged from the war-torn city.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 86541.html

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 21 Dec 2016 05:14

Egyptian Police Bust Staged Photo Shoot of 'Wounded Aleppo Children' (VIDEO)

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/2016 ... ake-video/

Rammpal · Post by **Rammpal** » 21 Dec 2016 05:20

IndraD wrote:Why killing of Russian diplomat may well bring Turkey and Russia closer https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... sia-closer

The entire scene has a rather strange feel to it, i.e.: did Putin Let this happen....... deliberately ?

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 21 Dec 2016 05:47

Why the Mosul offensive against IS has slowed to a stalemate http://theconversation.com/why-the-mosu ... mate-70670

IS is able to replace lost warriors where as Golden division is losing members rapidly. Tunnels, Suicide bummers & vbieds making job very slow.

With the division suffering “horrific” casualties every day, senior US Centcom officers are worried that the grinding battle is slowly destroying the division itself. If that happens, which appears likely, Iraq will lose its best guarantee against civil war – the only force capable of keeping the peace when Iraq’s sectarian divisions, temporarily dampened by having to fight a common enemy, re-emerge.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 21 Dec 2016 05:51

RT ‏@RT_com 6m6 minutes ago
'Statement of a fact': #Russia-#Iran-#Turkey alliance most effective in solving Syrian crisis – #Lavrov http://on.rt.com/7yas

Moscow successfully sidelines US getting meeting of Turkey, Iran & Russia underway for peace.
(Turkey isolated from Sunni champs like Saudi, Qatar?)

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 21 Dec 2016 08:06

Sarah Abdallah ‏@sahouraxo 6h6 hours ago
In Pictures: Massive celebration of the historic victory live today from the University of #Aleppo. Not one Western camera in sight! #Syria

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Dec 2016 08:34

Google News page has news links that bemoan the assassination of the ambassador will only cement Russo-Turkic friendship.

habal · Post by **habal** » 21 Dec 2016 08:43

bear always hugs before going for the kill.
bear ki dushmani bhi kadvi hain aur dosti bhi.

this side news of Russian diplo killed in moscow is confined to UK news sources. Which implies that is it standard NATOQAEDA disinfo to take focus away from Al- Ciada assasination.

habal · Post by **habal** » 21 Dec 2016 08:45

front number plate of german truck is US-66.

hand of God ?

habal · Post by **habal** » 21 Dec 2016 09:06

Gulen in PA, USA is like Dawood in Karachi.

Culinary uses his local resources to carry out their agenda. Through his offices they have access to hundreds of thousands of agents. Through him they can train bloody good Manchurian remote handlers if need – more precisely when desired – there need be.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 21 Dec 2016 09:11

Sarah Abdallah ‏@sahouraxo 6h6 hours ago
In Pictures: Massive celebration of the historic victory live today from the University of #Aleppo. Not one Western camera in sight! #Syria

AoA! What a target for VBIED/ erroneously-targeted SAA-seeking eph-solah (ERTSSES).

habal · Post by **habal** » 21 Dec 2016 09:12

turkey has nothing to gain by killing the Russian Ambassador, putin had relaxed and normalized the trade embargoes and tourist trade with Turkey, Turkey is making a lot of money again, why would they jeopardize that ? No this was a 5th gen warfare attack on Russia and Turkey by a state actor. This state actor doesn't like the 'new equilibrium' being established in the levant, with Turkey stabilizing economically and taking anti-US positions, this is a typical intelligence-deep state attempt to subvert that.

Putin is plucking Turkey out of the US/NATO orbit like he is doing with Egypt and somebody doesn’t like that.

habal · Post by **habal** » 21 Dec 2016 09:15

Aleppo xmas celebrations

habal · Post by **habal** » 21 Dec 2016 09:17

Al-qaeda hair left behind in aleppo

habal · Post by **habal** » 21 Dec 2016 09:20

A meeting between representatives of Iran, Russia and Turkey has taken place in Moscow to discuss common views on the problems relating to Syria.

The mains points are:
i) Syria’s territorial integrity is sacrosanct
ii) It should remain a secular state
iii) Parties agree jointly to fight ISIS and al Nusra
iv) Russia, Iran and Turkey are ready to mediate between Assad and the opposition

https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en ... 39785.html

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 21 Dec 2016 11:24

Saudi, Jordanian, Qatari, Turkish, American, Israeli and other officers captured in Aleppo by Syrian Special Forces

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/12/17 ... in-aleppo/
http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/12/16/r ... po-bunker/
https://southfront.org/breaking-14-us-l ... in-aleppo/

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 21 Dec 2016 11:30

check the video in the link

Egyptian police arrested five people in Port Said, Egypt for making staged "wounded children" photos, which they were planning to use to misrepresent on social media as photos of destruction and injured people in Syria's Aleppo, the Egyptian Interior Ministry said on Monday. The group also made fake videos that purport to show the wreckage of air strikes in Aleppo.

5 Arrested After Egyptian Police Bust Staged Photo Shoot Of "Wounded Aleppo Children

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 21 Dec 2016 11:58

Austin wrote:Saudi, Jordanian, Qatari, Turkish, American, Israeli and other officers captured in Aleppo by Syrian Special Forces

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/12/17 ... in-aleppo/
http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/12/16/r ... po-bunker/
https://southfront.org/breaking-14-us-l ... in-aleppo/

clumsily concocted fabrications with no proof provided.

but hey, let's roll with it.

I like having fun too.

avidly awaiting s-400 action.

too bad the russian troops ran from Palmyra and left their equipment to nato forces..........which promptly bombed it.

where da s-400s?

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 21 Dec 2016 12:01

ramana wrote:B, Please reduce the noise and more signal please. A lot of forum visitors come and all we get is your snide remarks on others and not much value addition. And many folks log in on phones.
So raham karo.

Ok. Done

habal · Post by **habal** » 21 Dec 2016 14:06

Here is another US/NATO operative still inside Aleppo

https://twitter.com/BilalKareem

Bilal Abdul Kareem
‏@BilalKareem
Fighters haven't been allowed 2 leave. They all have explosive belts & say they won't be arrested if regime breaks deal

habal · Post by **habal** » 21 Dec 2016 14:13

The Twitter user Inside Source is reporting that about 100 vehicles including 30+ T-90 tanks have arrived from Russia to Syria.

these may be intended to equip the newly formed 5th SAA corps.

habal · Post by **habal** » 21 Dec 2016 14:18

The killer of Russian ambassador guarding the Russian embassy during the protests of turks against fall of terrorists in Aleppo. He was on active duty and took a day off during the day he assassinated the Russian ambassador.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 21 Dec 2016 14:55

TSJones wrote:
Austin wrote:Saudi, Jordanian, Qatari, Turkish, American, Israeli and other officers captured in Aleppo by Syrian Special Forces

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/12/17 ... in-aleppo/
http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/12/16/r ... po-bunker/
https://southfront.org/breaking-14-us-l ... in-aleppo/
clumsily concocted fabrications with no proof provided.

but hey, let's roll with it.

I like having fun too.

avidly awaiting s-400 action.

too bad the russian troops ran from Palmyra and left their equipment to nato forces..........which promptly bombed it.

where da s-400s?

They wont be any proof if you are expecting photos or folks with their hands tied.

These people are not terrorist but Military/Intel offcer who came there because they were ordered too . most likely like all Spy/Military swap deal these people will be swapped with Syrian Soldier or Russian or Iranian ones who might have been trapped or held prisioners on the other side.

If NATO has indeed bombed Palmyra then they are just doing the works for RuAF ..that should be welcome ...... If NATO wants to see S-400 in action they should bomb Damasus or Russian Port in Tartus

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 21 Dec 2016 15:57

habal wrote:A meeting between representatives of Iran, Russia and Turkey has taken place in Moscow to discuss common views on the problems relating to Syria.

The mains points are:
i) Syria’s territorial integrity is sacrosanct
ii) It should remain a secular state
iii) Parties agree jointly to fight ISIS and al Nusra
iv) Russia, Iran and Turkey are ready to mediate between Assad and the opposition

https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en ... 39785.html

so turkey moving in Russia orbit as well: or Erdogan will be some one with butter on both sides of bread (double agent of FSB & NATO

)?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 21 Dec 2016 16:43

Erdogan did not get much traction from EU on the refugee issue and to become member of EU and from US to who he has directly accused of sponsoring Coup via Gullen etc and even the current Russian ambassador shootout is blamed by him on them.

So his relation with both EU and US are at a very low level , He has no choice but to co-operate with Iran , Russia and other players in the region and limit his loss.

Even Russia understands that the many countries in the region are friendly to it better and if they are neutral then it is OK that is better then being a foe , So if Turkey is friendly its is good and if Saudi is neutral and has a working relationship with Russia then it is better then it being a foe.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 21 Dec 2016 16:49

Yes sounds reasonable . ^
EU is a dream shattered for Turkey, Recently Eu parliamentarians have voted to freeze talks on Turk accession into EU.
BBC
The European Parliament has voted to suspend Turkey's EU membership talks because of the Turkish government's crackdown since a coup attempt in July.
The MEPs' non-binding vote has already been dismissed as "worthless" by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
The MEPs asked the European Commission and 28 national governments to impose a "temporary freeze" on the talks.
EU-Turkish ties have soured after years of stop-start negotiations, which are likely to go on, albeit very slowly.
Turkey's EU accession talks began in 2005, but only one of the 35 policy areas - called "chapters" - has been closed. A country is only ready to join the EU when it has met the criteria in all 35 chapters.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 21 Dec 2016 17:46

ALL EUROPEAN LEADERS ACT AS PUPPETS (INTERVIEW)

Dessislava Puteva interviews Mohammed Ibrahim, chairman of the Association of Syrians in Bulgaria.

A number of Western countries have called for a ceasefire in Aleppo in order to deliver humanitarian aid for civilians who are trapped in the city by the rebels. Do we have a reason to believe that the United States wants a truce, not so much for the plight of local people, but to allow the rebels, called agents of the United States by President Bashar Assad, to withdraw from the city?

Cheers

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 21 Dec 2016 21:09

7-yr-old girl who tweeted on Syrian crisis reaches Turkey, meets Erdogan
http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... epage=true