Levant crisis - III

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Singha wrote:neither rafale or sukhoi will make india a great power. its a band from "leasing a BMW" to "partially building a corolla" - all have strings and limitations attached. OEM support can be a tap that can be reduced to a trickle to inflict pain, despite any contracts. the buyer has no leverage, we cannot throw away 300 sukhois like one can throw away a bajaj scooter.

we need to move to "fully building a civic and a hyundai H1 van(bomber)" from the nuts and bolts upward.

may not look like much, but big boxy smooth and gets the job done - and a ton of suitcases er 1000lb garudas in the back

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question is - is the current state a stable vassal state or we are ready and willing to make the sacrifices and effort needed to move forward?
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This has to be quoted in full. You got it singha.
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Y I Patel wrote:Russia needs to look past Putin. He is not immortal, and the long term trends are all negative for Russia - shrinking population, and shrinking global demand for oil both imply serious diminution of hard and soft power of Russia over the long term. If the recent developments collectively imply that India is reorienting itself away from Russia and towards US, then IMHO someone in New Delhi is reading the tea leaves correctly.
I disagree. The coming 4th industrial revolution will serve Russia well. What I'm referring to is the coming new age of manufacturing dominated by robotics, AI, nanotechnology, 3D printing and other high-tech methods that require an educated populace with a solid base of STEM talent. In the coming age, a country's economic growth will not be determined by its capacity to employ huge quantities of cheap labor (as worked so well for China, India, Mexico, and other cheap labor pools in recent decades). Thanks to the new technology trends, the future belongs to nations with modestly sized but highly educated populations, and even better if they also have plentiful natural resources. When manufacturing is mostly carried out by robotics, driven by increasingly sophisticated AI, empowered by nanotechnology materials and made so much more ingenious by the widespread use of 3D printing and other clever forms of "additive" processes... when it all gets like this, having a huge pool of cheap, relatively uneducated workers will be an albatross, not an advantage.

Russia will be just fine. They have the scientific and engineering talent to master 4th Industrial Revolution techniques, and plenty of natural resources to feed this new manufacturing revolution. It's countries like India, China, Mexico, Philippines, Indonesia that better start preparing for the day when robots are more cost effective than sweatshops, Foxconn-style gulag factories and the like. Manufacturing is about to get local again, and any country that relies on having a lot of "human capital" is going to find itself suddenly very uncompetitive.

Anyway sorry mods - another OT post. Thus one should have gone in the Economics section.
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Y Kannan,

I don't want to get too off topic here so I will not pursue the long term argument further. Short term, I will concede, Putin has a victory in Syria with the recapture of Aleppo. However, given the overall demographics of Syria, the gains will not be sustainable unless Russians stay in Syria for the long term. In other words, they may have invited themselves to a quagmire much as US did in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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#BREAKING Armed attack at Istanbul's Reina night club, casualties reported #Turkey
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35 kia is what my fil claims. He wakes up very early

The stylish westerized istanbul women might soon need to duck under a burqa to avoid the wrath of faithfuls
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agitpapa ‏@agitpapa
Reina owner says US consulate warned of an imminent attack 7-10 days ago, heavy police security was deployed but to no effect. Blames cops.
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So far saa has been reactive..this woukd be first proactive move in a long time

Al masdar

Now, Palmyra is once again under Islamic State control, but this time around, the Syrian Arab Army has a large number of reserves from their Republican Guard forces that are still positioned in eastern Aleppo.

These Republican Guard units will not be redeployed to the Palmyra front like the Tiger Forces; instead, they will take part in the Syrian Arab Army's first real offensive to liberate the Islamic State stronghold of Deir Hafer near the Al-Raqqa Governorate border.

Another important component to take in account is the Turkish Army's offensive at Al-Bab; this operation has kept the Islamic State terrorists busy, while also leaving them short on manpower at the Deir Hafer

As the new year approaches, the Syrian Arab Army will continue building up their forces around the Kuweires Airport until the green light for this imminent attack is given by the High Command
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The Mosul Campaign seems very slow?
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Nobody has ideas how to speed it up without big civilian kia count. Ppl are sunni mostly...if govt goes in with armour sunni clerics will get a stick to beat baghdad with
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As Russia is winding up operations in Syria: it leaves behind makeshift hospitals which can be airlifted to any where

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Friends of ours are tourists in istanbul. Surfaced today in fbook at sultanahmet sq saying they are ok. Didnt have heart to tell them thats where another incident had taken place last year

Its cold and raining there and armies of devils creep in the woodwork
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As predicted...

Majd Fahd ‏@Syria_Protector
#BREAKING: A series of terrorist suicide attack rock the coastal city of #Tartous, no specific number of casualties so far #Syria
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Video of reina attack....26.11 style backpack operator

https://mobile.twitter.com/DannyNis/sta ... 2103311361
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2 indians dead in istanbul attack per EAM tweet

The victims are Mr. Abis Rizvi son of former Rajya Sabha MP and Ms. Khushi Shah from Gujarat,” she said in another tweet.
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on the one hand AKP and Ulema want to enforce pure islam in istanbul

agitpapa ‏@agitpapa 6h6 hours ago
agitpapa Retweeted sendika.org
Tayyip press spewed threats. This one's headline yday says "This is the last day & last warning! DON'T CELEBRATE!"agitpapa added,

sendika.org @sendika_org
31 Aralık sabahı bir gazete manşeti: "Bu uyarı son uyarı, kutlama!"
#Reina #İstanbul
http://sendika14.org/2017/01/31-aralik- ... i-kutlama/

agitpapa ‏@agitpapa 6h6 hours ago
Turkish govt religious affairs dept that declared New Years' anti-islamic & sinful 2 days b4 the Reina bloodbath just condemned the attack.

and on other here is the reality of its nightlife. quite a lot for faithfools to get worked up about.



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it looks very similar to Beirut nightlife / haifa / jerusalem / damascus than the capital of a wannabe wahabi caliphate
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agitpapa ‏@agitpapa 7h7 hours ago
US consulate Istanbul tells US citizens to act like they're in a war zone. Staff families already evacuated in Nov.
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so the inevitable TSPA vs TTP sarkari vs besarkari fight is about to start...a contest for the soul of the country

Doloroso ‏@Pyrmha108 13h13 hours ago
A definitive break in Daesh / AKP relations would be an attack on an AKP target inside Turkey - not on a night club like Reina in Istanbul.

Doloroso ‏@Pyrmha108 13h13 hours ago
Reina attack in Istanbul may signal pressure on AKP in relation to Al Bab & getting close to Russia - but not yet declaration of war on AKP.

Doloroso ‏@Pyrmha108 13h13 hours ago
The Reina attack in Istanbul is still not an attack by Daesh directly on the AKP inside Turkey, but this may come - and it damages the AKP.

Doloroso ‏@Pyrmha108 13h13 hours ago
Reina attack in Istanbul on night club goers is intended to sharpen the contradictions between liberal / secular Turks & Turkish Islamists.
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meantime border clashes continue with fatalities between armenia and azerbaijan.
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it seems the lines between turkish mil intel, turkish police, grey wolves, islamist militias and nusra/shams front are all permeable and people seamlessly migrate to and fro per operational needs.
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"and on other here is the reality of its nightlife. quite a lot for faithfools to get worked up about."

AoA! Look at all the bare forearms and ankles! :eek:
BTW, what's all the analyses about a simple New Year's Eve vacuum burst/ AK47 celebration where the kuffar are doing their orgies? Isn't this what it means to be of the Peaceful?
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Armed gunmen in Bahrain have raided a prison killed one guard and freed a unknown number of presumably shia inmates jailed for anti govt protests
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UlanBatori wrote:Wonder where is Georgi Arbatov. He was a classic commentator, Soviet diplo who lived in the US. You had to read his ripostes to the US media to see what true diplo class is.

He fought a lone battle. Would be so gratified to see the sophistication of RT.com and Lavrov, compared to the Brezhnev/ Kosygin era.
I find Russian diplomats in general to be more experienced than their Western counterparts and with superb language skills. Even in the Brezhnev era, Gromyko and Dobrinyn did a great job in defending often indefensible positions. Lavrov speaks French, English and Sinhalese fluently. The Russians have professional diplomats for their ambassadorial positions and not political appointee politicians.
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U.S.-led coalition hit Islamic State mortar position in Mosul: Pentagon
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Sarah Abdallah ‏@sahouraxo 5m5 minutes ago
Meanwhile in #Iraq, thousands hit the streets of #Baghdad to celebrate the New Year in spite of an ISIS terror attack earlier in the day.
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Hundreds flee fighting near Syria capital despite truce
The Barada Valley region is not part of the ceasefire because of the presence of the rebel group Jabhat Fateh al-Sham
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/01/h ... 48141.html

The two dominant gangs in East Ghouta are the Rahman Corps and Jaish al Islam, al Nusa is not present.

Rahman Corps are a Qatari backed gang that has received US TOW missiles and Jaish al Islam is an Islamic gang backed by Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

Despite the Qatari backed deal to end the infighting in May 2016, clashes continue despite protests calling for the factions to unite.
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IndraD wrote:...
Sarah Abdallah ‏@sahouraxo 5m5 minutes ago
Meanwhile in #Iraq, thousands hit the streets of #Baghdad to celebrate the New Year in spite of an ISIS terror attack earlier in the day.
Check the picture. Apart from the woman and child in the front space, how many women can one spot in the picture. This is Baghdad, the cosmopolitan part of non wahabi Islam, it gets worst as one gets to Mosul.

In time, Turkey will become like this.
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Perhaps the fear of more terror attacks kept women and kids home. Syria overall seems like more liberal cities than iraq?
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Well,if the would -be neo-Ottoman Sultan wanted to bring in the New Year celebrating his despotic regime with a "bang",he couldn't have expected it to turn out like this. ISIS suspected to be the hand behind the attack,is such a malevolent disease blighting our planet that ,it is sadly ( for the victims) a warning to Erdogan that he has reaped what he has sowed. He cannot pretend that Turkey used ISIS in its earlier attempts to oust Assad-by any means,along with the "Oily" despots of the region,and Uncle Sam and co. too.

But there is another factor at p[lay here. The Sultan has after the unsuccessful coup attempt,not been a magnanimous ruler,but has revealed his despotic colours. Resembling Nikolai Ceaucescu of yore,he has built a grandiose palace for himself like old Nick,while throwing hundreds of thousands of his opponents,real and suspected into jail."MIdnight Express" was as good a picture you could get of what life is like in a Turkish jail.Having now created lakhs of enemies determined to create trouble for him, ISIS could have found scores of willing new recruits to add to the Sultan's problems apart from his troublesome Kurds. Instability in Turkey will only escalate and sadly in the attack two Indian lives were lost. The Sultan may require in the future,historical enemy Russia and its czar of the moment,"Vlad the Bad" Putin ,to shore up his afflicted regime as well as that of Syria's!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... -continues
Turkey nightclub shooting: Istanbul mourns victims as search continues
Police hunt gunman who killed 39 people on New Year’s Eve at the Reina nightclub, as politicians and world leaders join to condemn attack

Kareem Shaheen in Istanbul
Sunday 1 January 2017
Istanbul is on high alert as the hunt for a gunman, who fled after killing 39 people at a nightclub on New Year’s Eve, continues.

President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan vowed in a statement that Turkey would fight terrorism “till the end” following the attack at Reina in Istanbul’s upscale Ortakoy neighbourhood.

“Turkey will stand together and not give passage to dirty games of terrorists,” he said.
Mehmet Görmez, Turkey’s most senior Muslim cleric, condemned the attack as “savagery” and a “massacre that no Muslim conscience can accept”.

There was condemnation from around the world as well as inside Turkey. The US State Department described the attack as “heinous” and the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, said it was “hard to imagine a more cynical crime”.

The attack came at the end of a year of terrorist incidents across Europe, including the driving of a truck into a Christmas market in Berlin earlier in December. The German chancellor, Angela Merkel, sent her condolences to the victims of the Istanbul attack, saying “terrorists ... have carried out an inhumane and devious attack on people who wanted to celebrate the new year together”.

A Downing Street spokesman said Theresa May had written to Erdoğan after the attack to offer her condolences. “She said her thoughts were with the Turkish people after this further devastating terrorist attack, and confirms the UK stands ready to help,” No 10 said.

In his new year’s address, Pope Francis said: “Unfortunately, violence has stricken even in this night of good wishes and hope. Pained, I express my closeness to the Turkish people. I pray for the many victims and for the wounded and for the entire nation in mourning.

“I ask the Lord to sustain all men of good will to courageously roll up their sleeves to confront the plague of terrorism and this stain of blood that is covering the world with a shadow of fear and a sense of loss.”

The gunman entered Reina, a club on the Bosphorus that has long been a favourite of tourists, a little after 1am, shot a police officer and then opened fire inside the club with a Kalashnikov rifle, before fleeing the scene.

Istanbul’s governor, Vasip Şahin, told reporters: “At 1.15am, a terrorist carrying a long-barrelled weapon martyred the police officer waiting outside, and then martyred another citizen to enter. He then carried out this violent and cruel act by spraying bullets on innocent people who were celebrating the new year.”

Interior minister Süleyman Soylu said the gunman was still at large, after reports initially said the attacker was killed. Police were deployed around key areas of the city and several roads near the scene of the attack were closed off.
Witnesses described scenes of chaos as revellers attempted to flee, some even throwing themselves into the Bosphorus to escape the gunfire.

Outside Şişli Etfal hospital, Sinem Uyanık said she had been at the club with her husband, who was wounded in the attack. “Before I could understand what was happening, my husband fell on top me,” she told Associated Press. “I had to lift several bodies from on top of me before I could get out. It was frightening.” She said her husband’s condition was not serious.

It was unclear how the attacker managed to escape from the club, which is just across the street from a police station. One report suggested he abandoned his weapon and mingled with the crowd outside pretending to be an injured civilian. No group has claimed responsibility for the attack.

Turkey’s prime minister, Binali Yıldırım, said an investigation into the identity of the gunman was ongoing but he was not prepared to share details yet.

There was conflicting information on Sunday evening about the identities of the foreigners who were killed in the attack. Selin Doğan, an opposition politician from Istanbul who toured the hospitals and the morgue at the forensic institute, said the dead included citizens from Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Tunisia, Kuwait and Israel, as well as a Belgian-Turkish dual national and a Canadian-Iraqi. The Jordanian foreign ministry said three of its citizens were also killed in the attack.

Among the victims was a Tunisian couple and twins from Saudi Arabia. Doğan said the dead all had gunshot wounds and that 11 bodies had been delivered to their families.

Turkey has endured numerous terror attacks over the past year by Islamic State militants and Kurdish separatist groups. Three weeks ago a twin bombing outside the football stadium in the district of Beşiktaş killed 46 people, most of them police officers, two hours after a football match.

The latest attack has again shaken a country that endured a string of high profile bombings, including in the busy Atatürk airport last summer and near the Hagia Sophia mosque, as well as an attempted military coup in July.

Shortly after the nightclub attack, relatives of local staff gathered outside the police cordon to await news of their loved ones. Two men collapsed in tears and sobbed upon receiving news that a relative had died in the attack. Another man who was in the club described a chaotic scene with people rushing for the exits, but was in too much shock to offer a detailed account of the assault.

At the forensic institute in Istanbul, some families gathered to collect the bodies of the victims. Stephanie Deek, a Lebanese woman, said her friend was with her husband at the club when the attack happened.

“They were just tourists, married for five months, and they wanted to find the perfect place to spend New Year’s Eve,” said Deek.

The husband, a 35-year old Lebanese man called Haykal Musallem, was in the bathroom when the attack began. His wife rushed out of the club, while he apparently attempted to jump into the Bosphorus to flee, but was killed.

“I’m feeling so sad,” she said. “I can’t even talk or express my feelings.”

But there was also anger at what some saw as heightened polarisation and rhetoric in the run-up to the attack. Conservative clerics and media outlets have railed against the sinfulness of new year’s celebrations in recent days.

Tabloid newspapers with deeply religious audiences ran headlines such as: “This is a last warning: do not celebrate” and: “Down with your civilisation” with images of party-goers next to images of deprivation in Syria, where nearly half a million people have been killed in an ongoing civil war.

The target of the attack prompted some observers to see it as directed against Turkey’s secular character, in the midst of an ongoing struggle to define the republic’s identity.

Akif Hamzaçebi, a lawmaker from the Republican People’s party (CHP), described the assault as an “attack on a way of life” and and said it was “savage”.

“The aim is to plant seeds of hatred among society,” he said, speaking after visiting the wounded in Istanbul’s Şişli Etfal hospital. “We do not want to live with the acceptance of terror and the state should teach a lesson to the terrorist organisations.”

An influential CHP deputy from Istanbul, Gürsel Tekin, said at the hospital: “In the coming days we should be talking about this – in the last week there were so many messages which can damage our social peace but none of these messages were investigated. Those responsible should resign.”

Gülsin Harman contributed to this report
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01 ... rol-freak/
The stream of violence in Turkey shows President Erdogan is a control freak who can't tame his own country
MARK ALMOND
Turkey, under President Erdogan, is in a uniquely awful position CREDIT: REX FEATURES
In times of crisis when violence stalks the land people cry out for a strongman to get a grip on the problem. But what if terrorism spawns chaos in a country already under the thumb of a strong man?

Turkey is in a uniquely awful position. It now has the strongest president since the military coup in 1980, possibly since Ataturk himself ninety years ago.
But President Erdogan’s extraordinary skill in consolidating his power has not been matched by an ability to solve the country’s problems.

While Erdogan was drawing together all the threads of authority in his hands in a still democratic Turkey, random killings, suicide bombings and civil war with the Kurds in the south-east have been spiralling out of control.

Watch | Istanbul nightclub gunman captured on CCTV

Bizarrely, Erdogan is a control freak who is not really on top of the threats facing his society. If anything his capricious style of government has bred them.
By arming and encouraging radical jihadis to fight Assad’s regime in Syria, Erdogan ignored the risks of blowback.

When Assad’s regime was weak, the Kurds in Syria began to assert themselves. Erdogan moved to stop them establishing a Kurdish mini-state south of Turkey but the price demanded by the West for turning a blind eye to that was to crack down in IS.

These two crackdowns set off terrorist attacks in Turkey. Kurdish groups primarily attacked the army and police but IS has targeted civilians.
His foreign policy too has veered from confrontation with Russia and Iran to partnership with them and public allegations that his chief Western ally, the USA, is behind the terrorism afflicting Turkey.

The economy has gone from boom to bust under Erdogan. Once he seemed to have achieved the miracle of successful mixing Muslim politics with the market economy. But the backwash of conflicts in Syria and Iraq plus terrorism terrifying away tourists has tipped Turkey into deep recession.

In the past a military strongman has acted to restore order in Turkey (usually brutally). Back in September, 1980, General Evren launched a military crackdown on the bloody civil war raging between gunmen of the radical left and the radical right.

At a heavy cost the army restored order and even promoted economic development – and a return to democracy. But after the fiasco of the Putsch last July, another military coup – at least a successful one - seems improbable.

Of course it would be desirable if there was a democratic way out of the current impasse. But Erdogan’s opponents in parliament are divided and their support base stuck among certain minorities like the secularists (gunned down on New Year’s Eve) or Kurds under assault as traitors in Erdogan’s eyes.

Is Turkey becoming a sick man on the edge of Europe? A kind of Pakistan with the radical jihadis of Syria providing its own Taliban-threat?
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Sadly, after decades of promoting Turkey as a model for it to follow, the country now risks slipping down the road pioneered by Pakistan.
Maybe, inside the ruling party, there are men ready to defy the president’s grip on power and anxious to replace him.

But I doubt if they have the numbers or the courage to take President Erdogan on. Turkey’s agony looks set to continue. But given the country’s sensitive geopolitical location, chaos in Turkey means instability for the West too.

Mark Almond’s 'Secular Turkey: A Short History' will be published by the Crisis Research Institute in Oxford (CRIOx) in 2017
No wonder the Pakis and Turkeys get along so well!
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so far assad was taking it easy on these green pockets around damascus but wadi barada was a overreach by the jihadis. this time he is forced to evict them once and for all and secure the support of his 6 million water and gas consumers.

these southern front jihadis mainly draw their support via israel - jordan border areas .... there are still vast areas there not under govt control. only a red tunnel of sorts through green belt to daraa on the jordan border.
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destroying civilian infra like water and power supply as 'dual use' was used in the end stages of the serbian air bombing campaign by you-know-who when the serbs showed no sign of folding after 60+ days of 24x7 bombing.

these bright ideas have external sources...
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Turkish warplanes and artillery have struck Islamic State targets in Syria, killing 22 of the group's militants, Turkey's military said this morning.

It added that Russian aircraft hit jihadists near the town of al-Bab, which is controlled by the so-called militant group

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Barada valley
Assad's forces bomb groups excluded from ceasefire . Mountainous region near Damascus targeted with days of airstrikes and shelling but truce between government and rebels appears to hold.
Those being bombed are affiliated to AQ exedmpted from truce.
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russi turkis have divided al-bab into some boxes I think and they each hit their own boxes. staging areas to the south are in ruaf attack zone.
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Re: Levant crisis - III

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IS claims responsibility for reina attack and promises more.

the game has began.
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Re: Levant crisis - III

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Singha wrote:IS claims responsibility for reina attack and promises more.

the game has began.

Abis Rizvi Bollywood action film producer has been named as killed in recent Turkey terror attack.
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Islamic State targeted military positions away from the main battlefield, killing at least 16 pro-government fighters and cutting a strategic road linking the city to Baghdad.

Militants attacked an army barracks near Baiji, 180 km (110 miles) north of the capital, killing four soldiers and wounding 12 people, including Sunni tribal fighters, army and police sources said.

They seized weapons there and launched mortars at nearby Shirqat, forcing security forces to impose a curfew and close schools and offices in the town, according to local officials and security sources.

Shirqat mayor Ali Dodah said Islamic State seized three checkpoints on the main road linking Baiji to Shirqat following the attacks. Shelling in Shirqat had killed at least two children, he told Reuters by phone.

In a separate incident, gunmen broke into a village near Udhaim, 90 km (56 miles) north of Baghdad, where they executed nine Sunni tribal fighters with shots to the head, police and medical sources said.

In the same area, at least three pro-government Shi’ite militia fighters were killed and seven wounded when militants attacked their position with mortar rounds and machine guns, police sources said.
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Re: Levant crisis - III

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Question is where they emerged from this far south?

Looks like western deserts still crawl with the rats sleeper cells and weapons caches
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