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BSF jawan claims that his corrupt superiors sell the food for their profit.

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That's sad and he's very brave for raising the issue.
SBajwa wrote:BSF jawan claims that his corrupt superiors sell the food for their profit.

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SBajwa wrote:BSF jawan claims that his corrupt superiors sell the food for their profit.
In Viral Video, BSF Man Talks Of Ill-Treatment, Bad Food. Rajnath Singh Orders Probe
The Border Security Force tweeted:

BSF is highly sensitive to the welfare of tps.Individual aberrations,if any,are enquired into.A senior officer has already rchd the location https://t.co/3fH7qZdV5P
— BSF (@BSF_India) January 9, 2017


Sources in the BSF said in 2010, the jawan had threatened his senior officer and was court marshalled. He was asked to get back to work after four years and this was why he has come up with this story, sources said
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This is full video where he shows food, etc.
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NDTV should have ome shame carrying- the last statement where some nameless ass alleges so and so

The govt needs to protect the jawan and have a thorough inquiry by non BSF personnel

Corrupt BSF officials have been involved in other nefarious activities but this is the pits
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Not sure this been posted here, an interview with Archna Ramasundaram, Director General of Sahastra Seema Bal (SSB)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElQ3rsPPj6c
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Time to pull Cold Start out of the freezer? or Western Alarmism at it's Munna getting into trouble?

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/Ta ... Newsletter
General Bipin Rawat’s reference to Cold Start raises vital questions about what he means by the phrase and whether he was authorised to speak on the matter by the government

In a wide-ranging interview with India Today, the new Chief of Army Staff, General Bipin Rawat, appeared to drop a bombshell by acknowledging the existence of the army’s Cold Start strategy. Many defence analysts presumed the army had abandoned this limited war concept altogether, or narrowly focussed on streamlining mobilisation while still maintaining the fundamental Strike Corps organisation and doctrinal concept. Either Gen. Rawat has dispensed with 15 years of semantic gymnastics and simply referred to these “proactive strategy options” by their more common nomenclature, Cold Start, or, the Indian Army has been quietly reorganising its limited war concept along more aggressive, and offensive, lines with little fanfare. The government would be wise to clarify Gen. Rawat’s statements. Ambiguity surrounding Cold Start, which incurred real diplomatic and security costs for India without delivering deterrence benefits, did not advance the country’s interests when it was first announced, and such uncertainty is unhelpful today.
Pakistan-centric retaliatory option

What is Cold Start? At heart, it is part of the army’s attempt to develop a useable, conventional retaliatory option that punishes Pakistan for terrorist attacks against India without triggering wider conventional or nuclear escalation. In its more aggressive formulations, it was believed the aim was to create division-sized formations that could rapidly mobilise and carry out short-notice, retaliatory offensives of limited duration to quickly seize and hold Pakistani territory, while simultaneously pursuing narrow enough objectives to deny Islamabad a justification to escalate the conflict by opening additional conventional fronts or to employ nuclear weapons.

The perceived failure to mobilise the army’s Strike Corps in a timely fashion after the December 2001 attacks on Parliament was the impetus for Cold Start, and its official status has been the subject of extensive debate and controversy since it was first discussed in 2004. The idea originated with the army and has been publicly debated in think-tank circles, but it has never been formally accepted by the Indian government, which has repeatedly denied its existence. In 2010, the then Army Chief, Gen. V.K. Singh, declared point-blank that Cold Start did not exist. However, he did note ambiguously that the army possessed a “proactive strategy” for responding to Pakistan. This presumably referred to the conversion of IX-XII Corps near the border from defensive “holding” corps to formations called “pivot” corps which could more quickly undertake limited offensive operations while the main Strike Corps elements surged from the interior of India over several weeks.

Despite its lack of imprimatur, Cold Start has significantly shaped security dynamics on the subcontinent. For a brief period, Indian security managers might have believed that the ambiguity surrounding the concept’s status and the Indian Army’s ability to implement it generated enough uncertainty in the mind of Pakistani decision-makers to deter their support for militant attacks within India. This thesis was disproved, however, by the audacious 2008 Mumbai attacks and its aftermath. At the same time, the “threat” posed by Cold Start has been repeatedly cited by Pakistani authorities as proof of India’s hostile intentions and hegemonic designs. This, in turn, has provided a justification for Pakistan to build up, and build out, its nuclear forces, both increasing the sheer size of its nuclear arsenal (which carries its own risks of theft and nuclear terrorism) and developing lower-yield nuclear warheads and short range missiles, so-called tactical nuclear weapons, which are aimed at deterring — or in the worst case, defeating — a limited Indian military incursion.
Can India pull it off?

Although Pakistan has responded as if India has an aggressive limited war strategy, there is no public evidence that India remotely has the capability to adopt or execute such a doctrine. It is one thing to carry out a raid across the Line of Control with a handful of commandos. It is quite another to undertake a major cross-border incursion by armoured formations that seeks to capture Pakistani territory.

The army simply lacks the materiel and organisation to implement the more aggressive versions of Cold Start. It is not at all clear, for example, that the Indian Army at present possesses sufficient superiority in numbers of troops and armoured vehicles in the vicinity of the International Border to be able to overcome the Pakistan Army’s defensive and geographic advantages in a short conflict. Indeed, the large number of obsolete tanks and artillery pieces, not to mention critical shortages of ammunition and air-defence assets raises serious questions about the army’s ability to implement a Cold Start-style operation at all. Furthermore, sustaining offensive operations in Pakistan requires joint operations with the air force. Not only does the Indian Air Force lack the kind of close air support capability Cold Start would require, but army-air force cooperation is also beset by inter-service dysfunction. This has put India in the worst possible strategic position: claiming a capability that it does not have, but which provides justification for Pakistan’s aggressive expansion of its conventional and nuclear forces. Such an approach has rarely served a nation’s security interests.
A case for clarity

On balance, the formally unacknowledged limited war strategy has created more problems for India than it has solved. In this vein, Gen. Rawat’s comments appear to represent a puzzling reversal. Yet it raises the important question of what he meant by “Cold Start”. Was he simply dispensing with the euphemism of “proactive strategy options” and referring to India’s somewhat streamlined, retaliatory, mobilisation procedure — but no real doctrinal shift — as Cold Start? Or did he specifically mean that the Indian Army is indeed prepared to undertake multiple, short notice, armoured thrusts into Pakistan to seize and hold territory, representing a real doctrinal shift? More importantly, was Gen. Rawat given political authorisation to speak on the matter by the government or was he speaking too loosely? Cold Start’s status has been murky in part due to the fact that it is an army concept that has never publicly received approval from the country’s political leadership. It is important for Indian security to know if that has changed.

It is understandable that, in the wake of the September 29 surgical strikes, the Modi government would want to signal to Pakistan that all options are on the table in the event of another terror attack within India. However, if reviving Cold Start is part of that effort, it may markedly escalate tensions in bilateral relations with Pakistan without necessarily delivering a clear benefit, since there is still no evidence that India has the required capabilities to implement anything resembling Cold Start.

The term “Cold Start” has thus become one of the Indian Army’s biggest liabilities. The perception that its most aggressive form exists is the gift that keeps on giving to the Pakistan Army, which uses it to justify a rapid expansion of its conventional and nuclear forces. But given the wide range of operational concepts that the phrase “Cold Start” could refer to, casually invoking it without possessing the requisite capability to implement this perceived version continues to put India at a strategic disadvantage. It is time for both the army and the government to clarify what precisely its conventional doctrine is — not with bold euphemisms such as “Cold Start,” but by identifying its operational and strategic objectives and how it fits into India’s larger strategy to deter major militant attacks on the homeland. History is littered with tragic examples where discrepancies between perceived doctrine and actual doctrine have caused minor skirmishes to escalate into major wars. The continued loose talk of the so-called Cold Start doctrine puts South Asia in the unfortunate situation that it may be the next case, and this time with nuclear weapons in the mix.

Walter C. Ladwig III is a Lecturer in international relations at the Department of War Studies, King’s College London. Vipin Narang is Mitsui Career Development Associate Professor of political science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
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Surya wrote:NDTV should have ome shame carrying- the last statement where some nameless ass alleges so and so

The govt needs to protect the jawan and have a thorough inquiry by non BSF personnel

Corrupt BSF officials have been involved in other nefarious activities but this is the pits
it's the dying stings of a vengeful and malevolent organization in it's final death throes.
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Ambiguity surrounding Cold Start, which incurred real diplomatic and security costs for India without delivering deterrence benefits, did not advance the country’s interests when it was first announced, and such uncertainty is unhelpful today.
Very curious what were these costs which India paid for?

And WTF is the Hindu ( a supposedly Indian paper) carrying a American's article on its op-ed page about something related to India? I can agree if it is a guest article but a Op-ed page?
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Ration and fuel are the two entities which are sold in the open market. Happens in IA as well - this is where the Military Police and local Intelligence Unit come into play. Apart from the unit's own administrative set-up.

Corruption avenues:

(a) Purchase of stores by designated units (ASC and AOC - the scale varies as per formation's mandate) - this is your typical contractor/supplier and purchaser collusion. Over-invoicing to selling sub-standard stuff. The purchase mandate varies from few lakhs to multiple crores. And mind you, in many cases, the corruption can only be in form of taking money to let a perfectly legitimate transaction happen.

When units go to these formations to collect their quota, they keep a look-out for sub-standard stuff or being given less than sanctioned stuff on sly. For example, when units collect their fuel quota, they check every barrel or container to ensure it contains petrol/diesel instead of kerosene. Or that the fuel is not adulterated.

(b) Siphoning off stuff within the unit - The Quarter Master's office which is responsible for food and other stuff is the hub where it starts in the unit. The staff here may siphon off stuff and pass less than total quantity to the cook-houses. Within the Cook House, the head can further siphon stuff and use still less quantity to prepare food.

BTW - Many jawans do keep food stuff and spices to modify the cook house food as per their taste.
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Wondering aloud? Is it too much to ask that all non combat functionalities such as canteen, etc., be outsourced through open tenders. I don't understand why a professional army should be saddled with buying dal and rice and having cooks in its ranks? Aren't there other professionals for that. We may need to move towards a lean and mean fighting force.
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yes in all but the very frontier areas, or atleast in the major cantonment areas there are caterers who can provide whatever you want - desi, cheeni or amriki at very reasonable bulk rates.
for ex bengaluru has vasudev adigas, megabite etc catering to lakhs of snacks and meals daily. my office alone has some 50 different types of lunch and 20 of snacks....all we give them is a big kitchen, LPG cylinder bank, electricity, water, fridge, dishwashing machines , cleaning services (again outsourced) .... they ship in all the food items needed every day, manage their own staff and logistical tail. they have food inspector who checks the quality of raw and cooked stuff.

probably in many other areas where army needed a parallel infra as the economy was undeveloped, it has caught up now and army could improve its cost structure, slash waste and pilferage and have a better teeth to tail ratio as well if organizational reforms are done.

amirkhans are far ahead on this route as usual, right from doing away with borewell drilling on the march to pallets of bottled water to using civilian contractors like haliburton for logistical chain to dyncorp/blackwater types for certain jobs :D one thing is they are not hidebound about propah traditions and flexible enough to adopt change even at their massive global scale of operations. and they are swift to punish wrongdoing. a decorated warrior like marcinko got cashiered for pilfering some funds from his unit iirc. senior admirals have been let go for failing ship inspections. our systems resemble a vast amorphous mass - slow to react and slow to change in any direction - a Shoggoth.

maybe a start can be made by converting a few divisions at a time, say 1 under each command area. will strike a chord of fear into the BM elements pilfering in the rest.

clearly the BSF unit is not being given proper food - a couple rotis and a mug of watery dal does not suit a physical job.
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Why can't we buy food from supermarket shelves and send it to the BSF. There is so much food available and all of us can afford so much!
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if you read WW2 books about the BIA, the gora afsars would have to make elaborate arrangements for their men re food habits - religion, caste, veg/non-veg status; it turned out to be a more complex task than feeding gora troops and jawans would be very fastidious about food habits; not sure how much of that persists to this day
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Army demands all-weather military grade power banks
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4 new mechanised battalions for Army
http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation ... 49271.html
The strength of the Army’s mechanised infantry battalions is up by four battalions, with the Brigade of The Guards raising three new units and the Mechanised Infantry Regiment being in the process adding one more to its existing strength of 26 battalions.
The new raisings come even as the Comptroller and Auditor General had revealed a year ago that the Army faced an acute shortage of BMP mechanised infantry combat vehicles (MICV), the mainstay of the aforementioned regiments. This, CAG had remarked, would have an adverse impact in the 12th Army plan as several new mechanised infantry battalions were planned to be raised.
While The Guards had raised one battalion, 20 Guards, about a year ago, 22 Guards is under raising, with designated officers having been posted and equipment started coming in. Both the battalions at present are located in the western sector, with one in the plains and the other in the deserts. Sources said orders had been issued to raise 23 Guards.
It is after about four decades that The Guards have raised new units. Several other infantry regiments have also raised new units as part of force accretions and ongoing restructuring to meet emerging operational challenges. Besides 20 operational battalions and two under raising, The Guards have two Territorial Army units. In addition, the 21st Battalion of the Rashtriya Rifles, a paramilitary force employed for counterterrorist operations in Jammu and Kashmir is also a Guards outfit.
Initially raised as regular foot infantry soon after Independence, The Guards were later fully mechanised and are equipped with infantry combat vehicles like the BMP-2/3 and recce and support equipment.
A decade ago, they were moved from the jurisdiction of the Directorate General Infantry at Army Headquarters to the Directorate
General Mechanised Forces that oversees the functioning of the Armoured Corps amd Mechanised Infantry.
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Lalmohan wrote:if you read WW2 books about the BIA, the gora afsars would have to make elaborate arrangements for their men re food habits - religion, caste, veg/non-veg status; it turned out to be a more complex task than feeding gora troops and jawans would be very fastidious about food habits; not sure how much of that persists to this day
About 80% of that would still happen today.

Simple example - (a) A battalion of Jat Regiment can have a company each of Jats, Gujjars and Rajput. Each company will have own cook-house. Many Jats don't even take onion and garlic in their food, leave alone non-veg. So, each group gets to eat as per his or her habit. And this food you'll have to provide in all locations - from Bengaluru to A&N to Delhi to Leh to Guwahati.

(b) Who can cook the same type of food as preferred by Jawans across even the large cities in the country? Bulk of cantonments are one-horse towns.
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Press Information Bureau
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11-January-2017 16:05 IST
Curtain Raiser : DEFCOM – 2017

A Curtain Raiser Ceremony for DEFCOM 2017 was held at India Habitat Centre, New Delhi today wherein a Brochure on the theme, ‘Infrastructure and Skilled Human Resource for Digital Army’, was released by Lieutenant General Ashish Ranjan Prasad, Signal Officer-in-Chief and Senior Colonel Commandant, Corps of Signals.

The occasion was also graced by senior representatives of Indian Industry who are closely involved in shaping a strong, indigenous Defence Industrial Base for the Nation. Addressing the esteemed gathering, Lieutenant General Ashish Ranjan Prasad brought out that the collaborative vision and spirit of DEFCOM 2017 should result in tangible outcomes in the form of a concerted National endeavor to equip the Network Centric ‘Digital Army’ capable of ‘Translating Information Superiority into Combat Power’ in times to come.

Mr Kiran Karnik, Chairman CII National Committee on Telecom and Broadband and CII National Mission on Digital India lauded the stellar role of DEFCOM in evolving the operational communication ‘Information-Structures’ for the Army.

DEFCOM 2017, an annual seminar organised jointly by the Corps of Signals of Indian Army and Confederation of Indian Industry (CII) is scheduled to be held on 23 and 24 March 2017 at India Habitat Centre, New Delhi. DEFCOM is the most seminal forum for interaction between the officers of the Armed Forces, Indian Industry, Academia and R&D organisations on matters related to operational communication systems for the Army.


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SBajwa wrote:BSF jawan claims that his corrupt superiors sell the food for their profit.
Now another jawan has spoken up. This jawan is from the CRPF.

In video message to PM Modi, CRPF jawan says we get no pension, quota like Armymen
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... y-4470482/
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^^^^^^^

Not saying that everything is fine but............

I can see the outlines of an emerging conspiracy and the timing is very suspicious.

Such a thing has never happened before and that too from two different sources.
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Why give my husband a gun if he’s unstable: Tej Bahadur Yadav wife
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 490586.cms
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the power of social media...but that power only has value when a leader cares, as you can see below...

BSF to conduct audit for better food for jawans and prevent pilferage
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 498111.cms

Prime Minister’s Office seeks report from MHA on BSF and CRPF jawans’ videos
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 500584.cms
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Personally monitoring quality of food served to troops at border
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 501588.cms
Amid a row over a BSF jawan's allegation of poor-quality food being served to paramilitary troops at border areas, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar today said he personally monitors quality of food served to Army and has ordered serving of only FSSAI-approved chicken.
In case you are wondering what FSSAI is....
http://www.fssai.gov.in/home
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wig wrote:4 new mechanised battalions for Army
http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation ... 49271.html
Mountain Strike Corp: Army’s Mechanised Forces to focus on High Altitude Warfare
http://www.defencenews.in/article.aspx?id=249836
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Rakesh wrote:Why give my husband a gun if he’s unstable: Tej Bahadur Yadav wife
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 490586.cms
the lady has more brains then the BSF IG etc
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^^ says officers use Jawans to feed babies, walk dogs, wash cars. Sahayak system exploitation. Says he had written to pm, rm, hm, president ... and higher ups simply asked army to look into it but his superiors ended up harassing him.

Lance Naik is 15+ year veteran of IA.
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sooner that system is done away the better. this has been discussed even 15 years ago in brf.
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http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/quick-rea ... t-siachen/

a quick reaction team, " Avalanche Panthers; Mountain Rescuers" equipped with latest stuff has been raised at Siachen

excerpts
Northern Command chief Lt Gen DS Anbu today operationalised a highly skilled force of the Army named “Avalanche Panthers, Mountain Rescuers” at Siachen Glacier, the highest battle field in the world located at the height of 18,500 feet from sea level having strategic borders with Pakistan.
The highly skilled force was launched during Northern Command chief’s visit to Siachen Glacier.Official sources said the force has in-depth knowledge, adaptability with local terrain and weather condition and has the capability to respond in the shortest possible time for rescue operations, especially in the glaciated terrain.
“The team, raised at Siachen base camp, comprised mainly the troops from Ladakh Scouts who being the `sons of the soil’ are well adapted to terrain and weather conditions prevalent in the high altitude region,” sources said.
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IndiaTodayFLASH ‏@IndiaTodayFLASH · 1h1 hour ago

MHA report to PMO says no substance found in BSF Jawan complaint about poor quality rations. (PTI)
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when i was stayin in Dhaula Kuan II in the 70's there was a army officers wife running a kiddy school in their house.. one day there was a commotion..apparently the majors wife was playing cards and the batman was teaching the kids...the kids mother came early and saw her child being minded, taught by batman and not by the convent educated memsahib !!

the thing about no substance in BSF jawans complaint is pure hogwash... the roti dal chai parantha was all to visible... all know the rations are sold off .... including petrol diesel...
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The Chief Has His Task Cut Out
http://bharatshakti.in/the-chief-has-his-task-cut-out/

By Lt Gen A K Singh (Retd) - the erstwhile Lt Governor of the Andaman & Nicobar Islands and Puducherry, Ex GOC in C Southern Command has been an alumni of NDA, Staff College Camberley,UK, Malinovsky Tank Academy, Moscow & The HC & NDC courses.

The General has commanded the 7th Cavalry, a T-90 Tank Brigade, an Armoured Division and the most powerful Strike Corps, and has the distinction of conceiving and executing some of the largest ever manoeuvres in recent times. He has tented key operational appointments including Brigade Major of the Kargil Brigade, three tenures in Military Operations Directorate and was also the Director General Perspective Planning , where he drew up the long term perspective of the Indian Army.

After a distinguished service in the Armed Forces, Lt Gen A K Singh (Retd) was entrusted with the responsibility of Administrator/Lt Governor of A&N Islands in July, 2013 and later concurrently assumed the charge of Lt Governor of Puducherry in July, 2014.

He can be reached at: [email protected]
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CISF jawan opens fire on colleagues; kills 4
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 502666.cms

Whoever has any problem, come to me directly
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 515668.cms

Army Chief Bipin Rawat defends the 'sahayak' system
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 520656.cms
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Lt General Sarath Chand appointed new Vice Chief of Army Staff
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 503714.cms
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Army looking at future technologies for better combat soldiers, aviation assets and more lethal weapons
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 522747.cms
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WOW!

Will discuss possibility of selection of Army Commanders and even Corps Commanders based in merit, not age
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After BSF and CRPF Troopers, now army man vents grievances
http://www.news18.com/news/india/after- ... 35135.html
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