Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 20 Jan 2017 05:47

Not supposed to have that kind of range from a ground launch.

pahadig · Post by **pahadig** » 20 Jan 2017 14:31

Is this true?

BrahMos working to develop boomerang missile: CEO

http://defencenews.in/article.aspx?id=249999

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Jan 2017 15:06

pahadig wrote:Is this true?

BrahMos working to develop boomerang missile: CEO

http://defencenews.in/article.aspx?id=249999

pahadig, welcome to BRf.

That idea of a Sudarshan-chakra BrahMos has been floating around for a long time.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 20 Jan 2017 15:24

BrahMos working to develop boomerang missile: CEO

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/haryan ... 52668.html

Vishal Joshi
Tribune News Service
Kurukshetra, January 19
Taking inspiration from Lord Vishnu’s Sudarshan Chakra, BrahMos Aerospace is working to develop hypersonic reusable missiles.

Sudhir Kumar Mishra, Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of BrahMos, told The Tribune here today, that going at a speed of more than Mach 10, the boomerang missile would have a capacity to deliver the warhead, assess the destruction of target, come back and get ready to go again. “The late President APJ Abdul Kalam, also known as Missile Man, had dreamt of a high-end missile programme that could be reused, as the Sudarshan Chakra is believed to be. It is a highly challenging project but the technological advancements by Indian scientists in the field of supersonic missiles have the capacity to accomplish it,” he said.

Mishra was in city today to attend the inaugural function “TechSamadhan” at National Institute of Technology (NIT). He said work was already underway for developing another version for cruising BrahMos at Mach 5 speed, as compared to the current Mach 2.8.

Mishra said Mach 5 and beyond was the benchmark to be categorised as hypersonic and BrahMos would achieve it in the next two-three years. “We have the capability to extend the range of the supersonic cruise missile BrahMos beyond the existing 300-km distance. We definitely have a programme to increase the range but its confidentiality is maintained strictly,” he said.

Earlier, Mishra told NIT students about the contribution of APJ Abdul Kalam in India’s missile programmes. Several countries were keen to buy supersonic missiles from India that had no competitor in the world market, he added.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 20 Jan 2017 15:25

BrahMos was to ‘target’ Dawood

The remarkable accuracy of BrahMos has made the Indian security agencies use the missile to target India's most wanted terrorist Dawood Ibrahim. Mishra said the Army had proposed to hit the suspected hideouts of the fugitive. "As a missile attack at any place in a neighboring country is considered a potential development for a full scale war, the idea was not carried forward," he said.

ranjan.rao · Post by **ranjan.rao** » 22 Jan 2017 05:59

last thing i hope is he dies a natural death...that would be a blot on our entire nation

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Jan 2017 08:49

chota shakeel and his brothers are the real movers and shakers. bigD is ill and retired now, a margdarshak of sorts.

as long as there are people in india willing to play ball with such elements to get business done, there will always be more dawoods.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 22 Jan 2017 10:01

Exactly. No one has prevented India from targeting dawoods within India. Start from there.....

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Jan 2017 11:26

darshan wrote:Exactly. No one has prevented India from targeting dawoods within India. Start from there.....

OT but

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 22 Jan 2017 12:30

There are dime and dozen terrorist in Pakistan that needs to be eliminated . Dawood is just one of the many dozens ... but Indian Leadership would understand that eliminating them in any special ops would have its own consequences for Indian leadership

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 22 Jan 2017 18:30

Austin wrote:There are dime and dozen terrorist in Pakistan that needs to be eliminated . Dawood is just one of the many dozens ... but Indian Leadership would understand that eliminating them in any special ops would have its own consequences for Indian leadership

"Spectacular operations" have value beyond practicalities.

Jehadis once attacked Red Fort and killed a couple of unsuspecting sentries. No military value but psychological win for them till date.

An IA SF officer once rescued passengers from a stuck mountain cable car in HP. No military value but celebrated till date. Both SF colonel and pilot (ex-CAS Fali Major) were immortalized.

Surgical strikes may have only killed few dozen men, who would eventually be replaced anyways. But the benefits were many.

Same way, I believe killing Dawood is important and should be done.

ranjan.rao · Post by **ranjan.rao** » 22 Jan 2017 18:47

last on this from me..
even if it dawood/lakhvi/saeed murder is unspectacular..it should remind people that indian blood is not cheap and there are costs of it which our enemies must pay in kind with compound interest..even though we know that jihadi's dont care for either their lives or our blood, but they would know what they are signing up for

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 22 Jan 2017 19:24

India needs to take out all 3 enemies of the state - even if they are only figure head leaders at the point of them being taken out. Dawood (D-company), Hafiz Saeed (LeT), Azhar (JeM) and Chota Shakeel (D-Company) are the 4 guys who must be taken out without exception by Indian covert / overt action and not allowed to have a natural death.

Neshant · Post by **Neshant** » 23 Jan 2017 12:07

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 23 Jan 2017 16:40

Tiered Defence: Putting the SAM in Perspective

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 23 Jan 2017 19:00

The above seems to be a fan made video. With a fan made missile name.

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 23 Jan 2017 22:42

The facts are right. The pictures except the one with the assembly jig is wrong.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 23 Jan 2017 22:51

A 2000 km range anti-ship shore-based ballistic missile in development has been reported previously. Maybe this is the one.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Jan 2017 22:58

Supratik wrote:A 2000 km range anti-ship shore-based ballistic missile in development has been reported previously. Maybe this is the one.

Doesn't make sense for that range. The Prithvis are long in the tooth and need replacement anyways.
On this very thread there are refs to this Pralay and some design features.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 23 Jan 2017 23:10

I don't know if it is named Pralay or they are mixing up two different missiles but the video does mention a 2000 km range anti-ship missile and it has been reported previously. Prithvis will be replaced by Agni 1P.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Jan 2017 23:30

Agni 1P is nuclear tipped.

Prithvi replacement will not be.
This gives teeth to the Cold Start doctrine.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 23 Jan 2017 23:48

Ramana,

Agni 1P will replace Prithvis and Agni 1 in strategic role. See below.

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/heres-all ... -missile-2

As for the tactical role may be they will use Prahaar or Shourya. Don't know.

I think the anti-ship missile is modeled on the Chinese DF21D.

See below. I can't find original link but I remember reading it in some news clips on future programs.

http://defence.pk/threads/dr-avinash-ch ... es.330476/

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 24 Jan 2017 07:53

a K4 test is ~~alleged~~to be scheduled for Jan31.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Jan 2017 08:05

Prithvis come with 5-6 different types of conventional warhead - the Agni 1 will replace only the "strategic" (ie nukular) role

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 24 Jan 2017 11:05

http://alert5.com/2017/01/24/india-to-t ... on-jan-31/

India to test fire K-4 SLBM on Jan. 31

The missile will be launched from a submerged pontoon 20-30 meters below the surface.

The 17 tonne missile has a range of 3,500 km.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 24 Jan 2017 12:26

I spent some time with a retired member of one of the prithivi missile group. He confirmed many of the beliefs of members of BRF. I will not comment on which ones.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 24 Jan 2017 13:28

Pratyush wrote:I spent some time with a retired member of one of the prithivi missile group. He confirmed many of the beliefs of members of BRF. I will not comment on which ones.

What's the point of this post then ?

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 24 Jan 2017 13:33

To confirm the beliefs.

nits · Post by **nits** » 24 Jan 2017 14:30

Bramhos on Rajpath for 26/1

Kakarat · Post by **Kakarat** » 24 Jan 2017 15:17

Livefist

FLASH: India's Guided Pinaka rocket tested successfully again.

kit · Post by **kit** » 24 Jan 2017 15:36

Pratyush wrote: To confirm the beliefs.

.. dude you should be put in charge for psy ops

JTull · Post by **JTull** » 24 Jan 2017 18:29

Guided Pinaka test fired successfully again

The Guided Pinaka was successfully test fired from the Launch Complex-III, ITR, Chandipur on Tuesday for a further enhanced range. The Pinaka Rocket Mark-II, equipped with Navigation, guidance and control kit, was transformed into a guided Pinaka. The conversion has facilitated to enhance the range and improve the accuracy of Pinaka. According to defence sources, the mission met all the objectives. The Radars, Electro Optical and Telemetry Systems at ITR Chandipur tracked and monitored the vehicle all through the flight path. The guided Pinaka is developed combinedly by ARDE Pune, RCI and DRDL, Hyderabad. ITR, Chandipur provided the range and Launch support.

KM Rajan, director ARDE (Pune), BHVS Narayana Murthy, director, RCI (Hyderabad), Dr BK Das, director, ITR (Chandipur), KPS Murthy, director HEMRL (Pune) and R Appavuraj, director PXE (Chandipur) monitored the launch operations. Lt Gen Subrata Saha, deputy chief of Army Staff (P&S), Lt Gen PK Srivastava, DG Artillery and other senior officers of the Army witnessed the launch.

Dr G Satheesh Reddy, SA to RM and DG (MSS), who was present during the launch operations said, "the success of guided PINAKA has reinforced the technological strength of the country in converting unguided systems into weapons of high precision." S Christopher, chairman DRDO said the launch was a 'shining example of the synergy between Armed Forces and DRDO."

Defence minister Manohar Parrikar, congratulated both Army and DRDO for developing the guided Pinaka in a very short span of time.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 24 Jan 2017 19:04

Some open source information about Agni missiles that I've collected . Nothing really new, just something to make sense of data:

http://jjamwal.in/yayavar/agni-missile-system

As of now, India has five versions of Agni missiles in service plus one Technology Demonstrator program and two other versions in development. As interesting as it sounds, it is also a bit confusing to keep track of. This article contains information collected from press releases, interviews and other open sources about different versions of Agni missile. There is a quite a bit of misleading information and a lot of missing pieces which make writing any article like this a challenging proposition. I've gone through dozens if not hundreds of articles, interviews and official websites to collect the information presented here and believe that most of it is as accurate as Indian establishment wants it to be. If there are any inaccuracies, please feel free to point them out.

1. AGNI - Technology Demonstrator

Agni Technology Demonstrator
NAME : AGNI - TD
RANGE (km) : 1500 km
PAYLOAD (kg) : 1000 kg
WEIGHT (kg) : 19000 kg
HEIGHT (m) : 21 m
DIAMETER (m) : 1 m
SPEED (km/s) : Unknown
STAGES : Two. First Stage solid (from SLV-3), Second stage liquid (Prithvi 2nd stage)
APOGEE (km) : 300 km
LAUNCHER : Road, Rail
OPERATIONAL : No. Technology Demonstrator
NAVIGATION : RLG INS

TESTS :
5 May 1989. - Success. Apogee: 300 km
22 May 1992.. - Failure. Apogee: 10 km
19 February 1994. -Success
USER : None.

REMARKS: Agni -TD missile was used as a technology testbed and a technology demonstrator. It used first stage of SLV-3 space vehicle and second stage of Prithvi short-ranged ballistic missile, both liquid fueled. Both of it's stages had be refueled before launch and thus had little practical use as a strategic deterrent. It's development was supposedly abandoned after 3 tests.

2. AGNI - I

NAME : AGNI - 1
Agni-I
Agni-I
RANGE (km) : 700 - 800 km
PAYLOAD (kg) : 1000 kg
WEIGHT (kg) : 12000 kg
HEIGHT (m) : 15 m
DIAMETER (m) : 1 m
SPEED (km/s) : 2.5 km/s
STAGES : 1 solid motor (10.5 m) + Re-entry vehicle (4.5 m)
APOGEE (km) : 300 - 500 km
LAUNCHER : Road, Rail
OPERATIONAL : With 334 Missile Group.
NAVIGATION : RLG INS
TESTS :
25 Jan 2002 - Success. Apogee : 300 km. 9 January 2003. Success. Apogee: 300 km MRBM test with dummy warhead.
4 July 2004 - Success. Apogee: 300 km (180 mi).
5 October 2007 - Success. Apogee: 300 km (180 mi).
24 October 2007 -Success. Apogee: 300 km
23 March 2008 - Success. Apogee: 300 km
27 March 2010 Success. Apogee: 300 km. Test launch.
25 November 2010. Success. Apogee: 300 km
1 December 2011 Success. Apogee: 300 km
13 July 2012 -Success. Apogee: 200 km. Test mission..
11 September 2014 - Nation: India. Apogee: 500 km. Training launch.
REMARKS: . Agni - 1 is supposedly Pakistan specific missile. It was developed after Agni - 2 missile to cover the range between Prithivi's 200-300 km and Agni-2's 2000 km range. Presumably it will have a smaller cost and small numbers in service.

3. AGNI - II

NAME : AGNI - 2
Agni -II
Agni -II
RANGE (km) : 2000 - 2500 km
PAYLOAD (kg) : 1000 kg
WEIGHT (kg) : 17000 kg . Includes 1000 kg payload.
HEIGHT (m) : 20 m
DIAMETER (m) : 1.3 m
SPEED (km/s) : 3.9 km/s
STAGES : Two . 1 solid motor (10.5 m) + Re-entry vehicle (4.5 m)
APOGEE (km) : 20 - 1000 km
LAUNCHER : Road, Rail
OPERATIONAL : With 334 Missile Group.
NAVIGATION : RLG INS, TDOA (Time Delay Of Arrival)

TESTS :
25 Jan 2002 - Success. Apogee :300 km, Range 2000 km +. Rail launcher.
9 January 2003. Success. Apogee: 300 km, Range 2100 km with dummy warhead. Road launcher.
4 July 2004 - Success. Apogee: 300 km (180 mi).
5 October 2007 - Success. Apogee: 300 km (180 mi).
24 October 2007 - Success. Apogee: 300 km
23 March 2008 - Success. Apogee: 300 km
27 March 2010 Success. Apogee: 300 km.
25 November 2010. Success. Apogee: 300 km
1 December 2011 Success. Apogee: 300 km
13 July 2012 -Success. Apogee: 200 km.
11 September 2014 - Nation: India. Apogee: 500 km. Training launch
REMARKS: Agni -2 is the first MRBM in Indian arsenal which incorporates a wide range of vital technologies like road, rail mobility, active guidance for re-entry vehicle among others. It was a vital stepping stone for Indian ballistic missile programe on it's way to present a credible deterrence against China among other countries.It's induction in Indian arsenal is an indication of success in creation of light weight nuclear warheads.

4. AGNI - III

NAME : AGNI - 3
Agni 3
Agni 3
RANGE (km) : 3500-5000 km
PAYLOAD (kg) : 2000-2500 kg
WEIGHT (kg) : 22000 kg.
HEIGHT (m) : 17 m
DIAMETER (m) : 2 m
SPEED (km/s) : 5.6 km/s
STAGES : 2
APOGEE (km) : 100-500 km
LAUNCHER : Road, Rail
OPERATIONAL : Since 2010.
NAVIGATION : RLG INS
AGENCY : ASL
TESTS :
9 July 2006- . Failure. : Failure.Apogee: 100 km (60 mi).
12 April 2007. Success. Apogee: 400 km (240 mi).
7 May 2008 Success. Apogee: 350 km (210 mi).
7 February 2010 Success. Apogee: 350 km (210 mi). Range: 3,500 km (2,100 mi).
20 September 2012 Success.Agni III RV 500 km (310 mi). Test mission.
23 December 2013 Success. 350 km (210 mi).
16 April 2015 Success. Apogee: 350 km (210 mi)
REMARKS: Agni-3 is an advanced and longer ranged IRBM successor to Agni-2 MRBM. This was the first missile in Agni series with 2 m diameter compared to 1 m and 1.3 m diameters of previous missiles. The first Agni-3 missiles wighes 50 tonnes, though it was reduced to 22 tonnes later by use of composites materials.

5. AGNI - IV

NAME : AGNI - 4
Agni-IV missile
Agni-IV
RANGE (km) : 3000-4000 km
PAYLOAD (kg) : 1000 kg *
WEIGHT (kg) : 17000 kg.
HEIGHT (m) : 20 m
DIAMETER (m) : 2 m
SPEED (km/s) : 5.6 km/s
STAGES : 2
APOGEE (km) : 500-900 km
LAUNCHER : Road, Rail
OPERATIONAL : Since 2010.
NAVIGATION : RLG INS, MINGS

TESTS :
15 November 2011. Success. Range 3000 km +. Apogee 900 km. 800 kg payload.
19 September 2012. Success. Range 4000 km . Apogee 800 km
20 January 2014. Success. Range 4000 km +. Apogee 850 km
2 December 2014. By SFC, Success. Range 3000 km +. Apogee 500 km
9 November 2015.
02 January 2017.
REMARKS: Agni - 4 was called Agni-2A or Agni-2 Prime for a short while and was presumably used as a test bed for a bunch of new technologies including a new navigation system and composite stages. There is no reliable open source confirming it's exact payload capacity.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... 629274.ece
Agni-IV missile is equipped with 5th generation onboard computer and distributed architecture. It has the latest features to correct and guide itself for in-flight disturbances
The missile is reportedly equipped with state-of-the-art avionics V-12 fifth generation On-Board Computer.

6. AGNI - V

NAME : AGNI - 5
Agni - V missile
Agni - V
RANGE (km) : 5000-8000 km
PAYLOAD (kg) : 1500 kg *
WEIGHT (kg) : 17000 kg.
HEIGHT (m) : 17.5 m
DIAMETER (m) : 2 m
SPEED (km/s) : 5.6 km/s
STAGES : 3 (2nd & 3rd Stage made of composites)
APOGEE (km) :
LAUNCHER : Canister. Road, Rail
OPERATIONAL :
NAVIGATION : RLG INS, MINGS

TESTS :
19 April 2012 . Success. Apogee: 600 km.
15 September 2015. Success.
31 January 2015. Successful. Canister launch. Range 5000 km. Apogee: 500 km.
26 December 2016 . Range, 2500 km. Flight time :19 minutes.
6. AGNI - VI

Under Development

NAME : AGNI - 6
RANGE (km) : More than 6000 km
PAYLOAD (kg) :
WEIGHT (kg) :
HEIGHT (m) :
DIAMETER (m) :
SPEED (km/s) :
STAGES : 3
APOGEE (km) :
LAUNCHER : Canister. Road, Rail
OPERATIONAL :
NAVIGATION :
6. AGNI - 1P

Under Development

NAME : AGNI - 1P
RANGE (km) : 300 -700 km
PAYLOAD (kg) :
WEIGHT (kg) :
HEIGHT (m) :
DIAMETER (m) :
SPEED (km/s) :
STAGES :
APOGEE (km) :
LAUNCHER : Canister. Road, Rail
OPERATIONAL :
NAVIGATION :

Spreadsheet with easy to read data:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ingle=true

http://i.imgur.com/Vztxo1f.jpg

kurup · Post by **kurup** » 24 Jan 2017 19:36

NAVARAEA warning for K4 has been issued

BAY OF BENGAL AND NORTH INDIAN OCEAN – CHARTS 31 INT 71 (.)

EXPERIMENTAL FLIGHT TRIAL SCHEDULED FROM ITR DAILY FROM 29-31 JAN 17 FROM 0630-1030 UTC IN DANGER ZONE BOUNDED BY

17-41.52N 083-39.44E, 15-02.05N 082-59.53E, 03-26.45N 086-26.01E, 04-54.30N 090-39.06E, 16-05.17N 086-00.64E, 17-43.08N 083-43.91E

AND

06-42.27S 088-43.91E, 10-41.44S 089-33.12E, 08-08.42S 096-53.65E, 04-30.43S 095-03.75E

2. CANCEL THIS MSG 311130 UTC JAN 17

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 24 Jan 2017 19:40

close to full range test if the wiki 3500km be true.

ashishvikas · Post by **ashishvikas** » 24 Jan 2017 20:22

Ajay Shukla - DRDO successfully test fires its new, enhanced range, guided Pinaka multi-barrel rocket launcher. Claims 25 metre accuracy at 75 kilometres.

https://t.co/B9JIFWHkDX

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 24 Jan 2017 20:50

If it is the K4 Mk2 it is not being tested to full range. I don't see why they would want to test the Mk1 from a pontoon again when they have already done so from the Arihant unless they are testing new technologies.

sum · Post by **sum** » 24 Jan 2017 20:51

Singha wrote:close to full range test if the wiki 3500km be true.

So no Arihant and instead a pontoon test?

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 24 Jan 2017 21:02

India to test fire K-4 SLBM on Jan. 31
http://alert5.com/2017/01/24/india-to-t ... on-jan-31/

tiny article...but artwork is from BRF`s own Gagan! Good job saar!

A much longer article - dated 22 Jan 2017 - but on a different topic...

Why China and Pakistan Should Fear India's Arihant-Class Submarine
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-bu ... lass-19128

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 24 Jan 2017 21:06

If it is the MK2 they are not going to test from Arihant. It is most likely a first test of a new missile.