Understanding US thread-III

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Jan 2017 20:41

its a mystery to me why with a fat tail 30 yrs of growth, swanky chi chi city infra, HSR, worlds largest xyz in most depts (malls, bridges, factories) etc etc, affluent educated chinese are abandoning the country in favour of the anglosphere -usa, aus, canada, nz as fast as they can. it cannot be lack of freedom or "dissent" because their education system is designed to kill dissent at a young age, so what is it? pollution? too high cost of realty? lack of faith in cheens future?

the lesser anglos sure know how to market themselves and cash in.

saip · Post by **saip** » 31 Jan 2017 20:46

Interesting exchange between the incoming AG and the former AAG during her confirmation:

Sessions: "You have to watch out because people will be asking you to do things and you need to say no. You think the Attorney General has the responsibility to say no to the President if he asks for something that's improper?"
"But if the views the President wants to execute are unlawful, should the Attorney General or the Deputy Attorney General say no?"

Yates replies: "Senator, I believe the Attorney General or the Deputy Attorney General has an obligation to follow the law and the Constitution and to give their independent legal advice to the President."

CNN

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 31 Jan 2017 20:59

Wow! Now we know what happens to ppl in administration that footdrag on 'Zee orders. Hours, not days. Probably the delay was in finding someone who could type long words like "Attorney General" in the letter.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 31 Jan 2017 21:01

looking forward to kristallnacht...

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 31 Jan 2017 21:07

Zynda wrote:^^L1A is for executives onlee. L1B has always been intra-company transfer. L1A folks get access to EB1 category GC filing. Nien on L1B. Both L1A & L1B spouses can work though. And L1 folks can change to H1 visa and switch employers. They just can't change employers on L1 visa.

but if and when they do want to change - they still come under the H1 cap - which can be a pain, as I know people who missed the lottery 3 times in a row and one guy missed it 4 times.

Per NDTV, the EO is supposed to be signed today or some time this week. Any fresh news? I see no American news network covering this at all. They are all focussed on refuge restrictions. I guess, there is no human factor with legal H1 immigrants. H1 folks are economic immigrants...I guess it is hard to find sympathy among US populace.

indians have very less political power and even less social mobilization power among non-indians. our people are largely insular and mix only among themselves and not get out to lend a hand to others and no wonder very few lend their hand to us.

forget about others, even other indians won't get out that much. right here in brf, we have people happy that doors are closed for others where they sneaked in.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 31 Jan 2017 21:09

Born in Atlanta in 1960, Yates attended the University of Georgia both as an undergrad and a law student -- becoming what the home of the Bulldogs calls a "double dawg."
Three years after graduating from UGA, she began her career that has spanned almost three decades within the Justice Department, according to her DOJ biography page.

The soosai-vest decision practically guarantees a Deanship in People's Republic of Columbia, Berkeley etc, hain? Not in her home state, though. Much better exit strategy than serving out meekly. Now she's on the level of Rosa Parks.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 31 Jan 2017 21:10

Singha wrote:its a mystery to me why with a fat tail 30 yrs of growth, swanky chi chi city infra, HSR, worlds largest xyz in most depts (malls, bridges, factories) etc etc, affluent educated chinese are abandoning the country in favour of the anglosphere -usa, aus, canada, nz as fast as they can. it cannot be lack of freedom or "dissent" because their education system is designed to kill dissent at a young age, so what is it? pollution? too high cost of realty? lack of faith in cheens future?

strictly anecdotal from my recent trip - massa still has the pull among the young in cheen. plus, with more upward mobility from the lower classes, the pressure is always there to 'differentiate'..

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 31 Jan 2017 21:14

Gus wrote:forget about others, even other indians won't get out that much. right here in brf, we have people happy that doors are closed for others where they sneaked in.

Like KJo saar.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 31 Jan 2017 21:17

Chuck Schumer Senate minority leaders weep on Tv? WTF gurus. Weeping?

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 31 Jan 2017 21:18

Singha wrote:>> Removes the ‘per country’ cap for employment based immigrant visas

does this refer to h1 visas or GC ? I am not aware that h1 ever had any per country cap. if its GC thats good news for indics and sinics, the usual whipping boys.

That bill is not going anywhere. Its for gc btw and there is a huge lobby against removing the eb per country quota. AFAIK there is no country cap for H1 only numerical cap.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 31 Jan 2017 21:21

Only Singapore has 8k H1-Bs reserved for it.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 31 Jan 2017 21:21

Yagnasri wrote:Chuck Schumer Senate minority leaders weep on Tv? WTF gurus. Weeping?

and roundly ridiculed by the orange one...

you have to remember that there are many ex refugees in the US, particularly Jews (but not only) who have risen up in the ranks, but never forgotten what happened to their parents and grandparents in the old country... it is a very big emotive issue for many (non WASPs)

desiloge toh in the meantime are gora-er than goras... so are going through a bit of cognitive dissonance

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Jan 2017 21:23

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
When will the Democrats give us our Attorney General and rest of Cabinet! They should be ashamed of themselves! No wonder D.C. doesn't work!

Donald J. Trump
3h
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
Nancy Pelosi and Fake Tears Chuck Schumer held a rally at the steps of The Supreme Court and mic did not work (a mess)-just like Dem party!

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 31 Jan 2017 21:30

Yagnasri wrote:Chuck Schumer Senate minority leaders weep on Tv? WTF gurus. Weeping?

boehner wept at everything..at the drop of a hat. are these the things that needs to be discussed here? shumer weeping and trump taunting etc..

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 31 Jan 2017 21:31

the dysfunctional Washington decision making machine was perfected by the tea-party boys and girls - hence ombaba's comment to them when Agent Orange got the Rep nomination about 'well thanks for blocking me every step of the way, now enjoy!'

the democrats don't have the votes on the floor to stop the republicans... so it all comes down to how many republicans think that they have the right hombre in place now...

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Jan 2017 21:33

Claimed as leaked wh memo for exec order to be signed soon.

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus ... rams.0.pdf

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Jan 2017 21:33

I suggest ppl read it in full

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 31 Jan 2017 21:45

Drug cos told to get prices down in exchange for faster approvals etc

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/31 ... rices-down

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 31 Jan 2017 21:55

Why not?’ France’s far-right party says it could replicate Trump’s ban if Le Pen is elected https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... ca698e68b8

Avtar Singh · Post by **Avtar Singh** » 31 Jan 2017 22:12

#komal #singha

I can beat that...
when my grandfather first came to uk pre ww2
the best he could get was rental of outhouse/coal shed
he would cycle round trip 42km and his work was to look after pasu

I know wrong thread not usa related but I could not help but mention,
no matter how difficult lack of visas/opportunities may appear things
have got better for some of the poor

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 31 Jan 2017 22:17

black panther voter intimidation case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black ... ation_case

please note that the prosecuter resigned when told by Obama to lay off.

if you can't follow the orders of the president then RESIGN.

komal · Post by **komal** » 31 Jan 2017 22:37

Avtar Singh wrote:#komal #singha

I can beat that...
when my grandfather first came to uk pre ww2
the best he could get was rental of outhouse/coal shed
he would cycle round trip 42km and his work was to look after pasu

I know wrong thread not usa related but I could not help but mention,
no matter how difficult lack of visas/opportunities may appear things
have got better for some of the poor

My fear is that in many cases things will get worse for PIO (even those born here). Citizens can no longer rely on the federal government to protect their basic civil rights.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 31 Jan 2017 22:42

Karthik S wrote:
Gus wrote:forget about others, even other indians won't get out that much. right here in brf, we have people happy that doors are closed for others where they sneaked in.
Like KJo saar.

Exactly. I cheer for what is right.
Like DeMo for example. Yes, some people lost their chuddis and their homes are worth less, but what happened is good and fair.

It's the same here. When US citizens pay taxes here, there is no reason why the market should be damaged by people from abroad on fake grounds like "not enough talented people here". The people replacing others are not more skilled, they are just cheap. Companies post fake jobs just so that they can pay someone else low.

Immigration of smart people has helped the US a lot and I hope that continues. But screwing of US citizens by these companies and stealing of tax breaks needs to stop. Let's admit it... most of these hiring of foreign nations is solely to be cheap, nothing to do with talent.

Every country should think about what is good for its citizens. Not to do jagath seva. I hope Modi thinks only about Indians. When I complained about OCI process, I was shouted down saying I wasn't a citizen so could not complain. Same logic then.

Acche Din.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 31 Jan 2017 22:44

This makes for interesting reading : Steve Bannon's role in inner circle of Trump team raises fears of security crisis

Placing Bannon on the NSC, with his lack of national security experience, was a “radical” step, Rothkopf said, as the former Breitbart media chairman had shown himself to hold “racist, misogynist and Islamophobic” views. His seat on the NSC principals committee was “essentially putting a thumb on the scale of deliberation in the direction of that kind of thinking”.

Foreign governments, seeing the diminished influence of the established pillars of national security decision-making in the US, were likely to begin dealing with Bannon and his cohort directly to secure their influence with Trump, he continued.

As more details emerged about the chaotic launch of Trump’s flagship immigration ban, it emerged the White House office of management and budget, responsible for coordinating executive action with the rest of the government, was told not to put the ban through the normal review process with the justice, state, homeland security and defense departments, so it was as surprised as everyone else about the announcement.

The newly confirmed homeland security secretary, John Kelly, was airborne when it took effect on Friday and only discovered the president was signing the order on Friday because an aide he was talking to by phone saw the signature ceremony on television, according to the New York Times.

Although the defense secretary, James Mattis, was standing at Trump’s shoulder at the Pentagon when the order was signed, the defense department was also not consulted on its contents beforehand.

Tillerson, who will be America’s top diplomat, appeared unruffled by the executive order and by a purge of top career officials at the state department, the source said, but made it clear he had not been consulted on either issue.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 31 Jan 2017 22:54

The immigration ExecOrder mentions "merit" in the preamble, but I don't see anything at all about the merit category (was it called "A"?) I thought they would give something like direct GC for STEM PhDs etc which has been sought for a long time, and which I thought was part of the 'Zee's argument. Seems to have been Bannonized.

habal · Post by **habal** » 31 Jan 2017 23:12

KJo wrote:
Karthik S wrote:
Like KJo saar.
Exactly. I cheer for what is right.
Like DeMo for example. Yes, some people lost their chuddis and their homes are worth less, but what happened is good and fair.

It's the same here. When US citizens pay taxes here, there is no reason why the market should be damaged by people from abroad on fake grounds like "not enough talented people here". The people replacing others are not more skilled, they are just cheap. Companies post fake jobs just so that they can pay someone else low.

Immigration of smart people has helped the US a lot and I hope that continues. But screwing of US citizens by these companies and stealing of tax breaks needs to stop. Let's admit it... most of these hiring of foreign nations is solely to be cheap, nothing to do with talent.

Every country should think about what is good for its citizens. Not to do jagath seva. I hope Modi thinks only about Indians. When I complained about OCI process, I was shouted down saying I wasn't a citizen so could not complain. Same logic then.

Acche Din.

well said !

you are a US citizen with US interests at heart. Ideally there should be no conflict here and you should have no role to play in India.

la.khan · Post by **la.khan** » 31 Jan 2017 23:16

Karthik S wrote:Only Singapore has 8k H1-Bs reserved for it.

Singapore and Chile have H-1B visas reserved. And, in any given year, if not enough Singaporeans and Chileans apply for these H-1B visas, the unused H-1B visas are added to the following year's 65K H-1B visas. So, available h-1B visas are slightly more than 65K.

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 31 Jan 2017 23:17

A_Gupta wrote:Alabama cop or Ferguson cop or TSA - the racists among them misbehave when they think they have impunity - that their superiors will not punish them. Otherwise they won't risk their jobs.

"Just a little perspective" is that Trump and Bannon have given them that wink-wink/nod-nod.

That you refuse to see it is a tragedy for us all.

As to the handcuffed five year old, Sean Spicer was asked about it today and he justified it.

Where is the actual evidence of the handcuffed 5 year old . Any photos? Any complaining parents?
I saw the spicer interview... The media was pushing him in a corner, he handled it alright.

AGAIN, The impunity shown by those in authority is not new under trump.

It is positively scary how much fud there is going around.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 31 Jan 2017 23:19

thanks habal, but since I grew up in India, I also have India's interests at heart. I think a lot of people here have that conflict and don't want to answer to "who do you choose, US or India?". It's like choosing between daddy and mummy.

I want India to become very powerful and prosperous just like the stories we hear from 1000s of years ago. I want Indian culture to shine, not fake culture today which is copied from the Amreeki.

But right is right and wrong is wrong. I can never condone what some of these Indian companies do by lying and stealing and what some US companies do by lying and faking.

How can I justify Steve with an MS degree and tons of right experience not getting hired while Kumar with a mediocre BE and an NIIT course gets hired? Something is wrong with the system.

No different from the tax evader in India buying apartments and bungalows but a tax payer not affording it.

la.khan · Post by **la.khan** » 31 Jan 2017 23:22

Zynda wrote:^^L1A is for executives onlee. L1B has always been intra-company transfer. L1A folks get access to EB1 category GC filing. Nien on L1B. Both L1A & L1B spouses can work though. And L1 folks can change to H1 visa and switch employers. They just can't change employers on L1 visa.

Executives as in C level (CEO, CIO, CFO etc)? I thought it included project managers, program managers, delivery managers too. No? Also, I believe, the criteria for L1A visa and EB1C GC filing are the same. Any individual that qualifies for L1A visa also qualifies for EB1C queue, when filing for PR/GC.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 31 Jan 2017 23:23

KJo wrote:Exactly. I cheer for what is right.
Like DeMo for example. Yes, some people lost their chuddis and their homes are worth less, but what happened is good and fair.

It's the same here. When US citizens pay taxes here, there is no reason why the market should be damaged by people from abroad on fake grounds like "not enough talented people here". The people replacing others are not more skilled, they are just cheap. Companies post fake jobs just so that they can pay someone else low.

Immigration of smart people has helped the US a lot and I hope that continues. But screwing of US citizens by these companies and stealing of tax breaks needs to stop. Let's admit it... most of these hiring of foreign nations is solely to be cheap, nothing to do with talent.

Every country should think about what is good for its citizens. Not to do jagath seva. I hope Modi thinks only about Indians. When I complained about OCI process, I was shouted down saying I wasn't a citizen so could not complain. Same logic then.

Acche Din.

With DeMo, only people with BM lost their chuddis, but according to you most of companies that hire Indians do so because of cheap labor and not talent. Am assuming you went there when entering was relatively easy and people got their GC sooner. Now that you've crossed the line, you are happy about things getting difficult for other Indians and commenting about their talents. Typical of Indians who go there before others.

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 31 Jan 2017 23:24

komal wrote:GOOPER apologists seem to have little understanding of federal government. Alabama cops aren't under federal control. TSA staff are.

I wonder how many white 5 year olds are handcuffed each day by TSA?

Wow, so I question a particular piece and am instantly labelled as Gooper apologist or bhakti or something. Take it easy buddy.

BTW, are you saying that high handedness by TSA never happened before trump? Or that abuse of authority never happened at federal level before trump?

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 31 Jan 2017 23:27

Karthik S wrote:
KJo wrote:Exactly. I cheer for what is right.
Like DeMo for example. Yes, some people lost their chuddis and their homes are worth less, but what happened is good and fair.

It's the same here. When US citizens pay taxes here, there is no reason why the market should be damaged by people from abroad on fake grounds like "not enough talented people here". The people replacing others are not more skilled, they are just cheap. Companies post fake jobs just so that they can pay someone else low.

Immigration of smart people has helped the US a lot and I hope that continues. But screwing of US citizens by these companies and stealing of tax breaks needs to stop. Let's admit it... most of these hiring of foreign nations is solely to be cheap, nothing to do with talent.

Every country should think about what is good for its citizens. Not to do jagath seva. I hope Modi thinks only about Indians. When I complained about OCI process, I was shouted down saying I wasn't a citizen so could not complain. Same logic then.

Acche Din.
With DeMo, only people with BM lost their chuddis, but according to you most of companies that hire Indians do so because of cheap labor and not talent. Am assuming you went there when entering was relatively easy and people got their GC sooner. Now that you've crossed the line, you are happy about things getting difficult for other Indians and commenting about their talents. Typical of Indians who go there before others.

My situation is a bit more complex.

Now prices of housing will fall in India because of the crackdown. People who legally bought at high prices will be screwed. Watch this space in a year and let's discuss.

This has nothing to do with me personally. A right is a right and a wrong is wrong. BM is wrong regardless if I do it or someone else. If I do it, it does not become acceptable or okay.

Cheating labor laws is wrong. That is what many Indian companies and many US companies have done. That needs to be fixed. Do you disagree with this statement?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 31 Jan 2017 23:30

In the meanwhile and without prejudice on my part, here is how the trump administration feels.

Can't fault them for calling it like they see it while we in India have been pussyfooting for years on bangladeshis, nepalis and rohingiyas and what not.

" Being able to come into America is a privilege, not a right "

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 31 Jan 2017 23:31

TSJones wrote:black panther voter intimidation case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black ... ation_case

please note that the prosecuter resigned when told by Obama to lay off.

if you can't follow the orders of the president then RESIGN.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/01/polit ... ogram.html

Comey didn't resign. Ashcroft didn't resign (story below from 2006):
The DOJ is supposed to try to uphold the rule of law, not kow-tow to the President.
Comey had a reputation for integrity because he stood up to the White House.

If the President is issuing illegal orders, do not obey them. That is what patriots would demand. Of course, Trumpistas are pseudo-patriots for the most part.

Quote:
A top Justice Department official objected in 2004 to aspects of the National Security Agency's domestic surveillance program and refused to sign on to its continued use amid concerns about its legality and oversight, according to officials with knowledge of the tense internal debate. The concerns appear to have played a part in the temporary suspension of the secret program.

The concerns prompted two of President Bush's most senior aides -- Andrew H. Card Jr., his chief of staff, and Alberto R. Gonzales, then White House counsel and now attorney general -- to make an emergency visit to a Washington hospital in March 2004 to discuss the program's future and try to win the needed approval from Attorney General John Ashcroft, who was hospitalized for gallbladder surgery, the officials said.

The unusual meeting was prompted because Mr. Ashcroft's top deputy, James B. Comey, who was acting as attorney general in his absence, had indicated he was unwilling to give his approval to certifying central aspects of the program, as required under the White House procedures set up to oversee it.

...
With Mr. Comey unwilling to sign off on the program, the White House went to Mr. Ashcroft -- who had been in the intensive care unit at George Washington University Hospital with pancreatitis and was housed under unusually tight security -- because "they needed him for certification," according to an official briefed on the episode. The official, like others who discussed the issue, spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the classified nature of the program.

Accounts differed as to exactly what was said at the hospital meeting between Mr. Ashcroft and the White House advisers. But some officials said that Mr. Ashcroft, like his deputy, appeared reluctant to give Mr. Card and Mr. Gonzales his authorization to continue with aspects of the program in light of concerns among some senior government officials about whether the proper oversight was in place at the security agency and whether the president had the legal and constitutional authority to conduct such an operation.

It is unclear whether the White House ultimately persuaded Mr. Ashcroft to give his approval to the program after the meeting or moved ahead without it.

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habal · Post by **habal** » 31 Jan 2017 23:33

KJo wrote:thanks habal, but since I grew up in India, I also have India's interests at heart. I think a lot of people here have that conflict and don't want to answer to "who do you choose, US or India?". It's like choosing between daddy and mummy.

I want India to become very powerful and prosperous just like the stories we hear from 1000s of years ago. I want Indian culture to shine, not fake culture today which is copied from the Amreeki.

kjo, there is an old biblical saying. A man can't travel in 2 boats.

Similarly, a man cannot serve God and the devil at the same time. You have to strike a choice, because life forces you to choose. Once you have chosen, you need to stick by your choice rather than reminisce how life would have been if I had made the other choice. Dual-citzen or OCI cannot be loyal to both countries. Umpteen number of paki examples of dual-citizens have shown that when push comes to shove the dual-citizens will prefer their bideshi soil over desi. So while you wish India were a superpowa and nuclear armed monster and UN seat holder, you have voted with your pocket in favor of USA. And that is the bottomline.

disha · Post by **disha** » 31 Jan 2017 23:36

Karthik S wrote:
Gus wrote:forget about others, even other indians won't get out that much. right here in brf, we have people happy that doors are closed for others where they sneaked in.
Like KJo saar.

^^ Pathetic and targeting personally and flame baiting. I have reported this post.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 31 Jan 2017 23:38

habal wrote:
KJo wrote:thanks habal, but since I grew up in India, I also have India's interests at heart. I think a lot of people here have that conflict and don't want to answer to "who do you choose, US or India?". It's like choosing between daddy and mummy.

I want India to become very powerful and prosperous just like the stories we hear from 1000s of years ago. I want Indian culture to shine, not fake culture today which is copied from the Amreeki.

kjo, there is an old biblical saying. A man can't travel in 2 boats.

Similarly, a man cannot serve God and the devil at the same time. You have to strike a choice, because life forces you to choose. Once you have chosen, you need to stick by your choice rather than reminisce how life would have been if I had made the other choice. Dual-citzen or OCI cannot be loyal to both countries. Umpteen number of paki examples of dual-citizens have shown that when push comes to shove the dual-citizens will prefer their bideshi soil over desi. So while you wish India were a superpowa and nuclear armed monster and UN seat holder, you have voted with your pocket in favor of USA. And that is the bottomline.

Must disagree there. And your analogy does not fit in this situation.

I am not sure where you live and if you have experienced being a PIO in a foreign country or not, but it is easy to sit in India and make such comments and put down people who live abroad and and call them opportunists and unpatriotic.

In the same way I can say that most 'patriotic' people staying in India are merely there because they didn't get a visa. I know so many who desperately want to go abroad, US, ME, UK etc. What about those?

disha · Post by **disha** » 31 Jan 2017 23:39

Karthik S wrote:Only Singapore has 8k H1-Bs reserved for it.

Wrong. Read the H1B program again.

disha · Post by **disha** » 31 Jan 2017 23:43

Karthik S wrote:With DeMo, only people with BM lost their chuddis, but according to you most of companies that hire Indians do so because of cheap labor and not talent. Am assuming you went there when entering was relatively easy and people got their GC sooner. Now that you've crossed the line, you are happy about things getting difficult for other Indians and commenting about their talents. Typical of Indians who go there before others.

Changing goalposts!

Lot of visa abuse is happening under L1 and H1 categories. Several of the "IT" folks who are petitioned for H1b or L1 are neither talented or skilled. Infosys and Wipro are big name body shoppers., but several small body shoppers abound.

Notice that another part of the bill for H1b is to remove the nation wide caps. If you are skilled and talented then as well get a green card. Several of them getting on with their GC will not have to apply for H1B again and hence bloat it up unnecessarily.