India-US relations: News and Discussions III

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 27 Feb 2017 23:01

Lalmohan wrote:the bannon model is not unidimensional... it comes with many other features

Granted. However, for the sake of the discussion, it is very important we spell them out (irrespective of if one agrees/disagrees with the list).

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 27 Feb 2017 23:03

India is America’s greatest strategic partner, says top US Governor

An alt power base for India. One that can work right around Trump/Bannon. Check out the list. Seems to me it is leaning one way. ?????

Governors along with their spouses from a record number of 25 states attended the reception, which is one of the largest such gatherings at the Ambassador's residence in recent years and reflective of the strong partnership that India over the years has been able to build with each of these states.

The event, the first-of-its-nature held in recent years, among others was attended by Governors of Virginia, Nevada, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Connecticut, Guam, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah, Virgin Islands, Wisconsin, and Wyoming.

Senior representatives of Governors of California, Maryland, New York, and Pennsylvania were also in the audience.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Feb 2017 23:41

NRao, John Batchelor talk show* which is a host with some experts weekly shows today had an expert advocating US align with India. So something is in the wind.

But all these experts want India to do US bidding.
Won't happen.

* I get to hear it on Monday AM on local ABC radio.
Has good book review discussions. No call in.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Feb 2017 23:44

Primus wrote:^
What is funny is that the liberal left is led by Jewish opinion. They feel slightly (or significantly) marginalized at the moment, being denied a feeding spot at the top of the table. Otherwise they are even more racist than the WASPs, at least the conservative ones are.

Read Yascha Mounk, a German expatriate who is in Harvard.

Also reflect on the French Revolution. Why it happened and what was its real effect?

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 28 Feb 2017 00:18

ramana wrote:NRao, John Batchelor talk show* which is a host with some experts weekly shows today had an expert advocating US align with India. So something is in the wind.

But all these experts want India to do US bidding.
Won't happen.

* I get to hear it on Monday AM on local ABC radio.
Has good book review discussions. No call in.

https://audioboom.com/channel/johnbatchelor. Podcasts. Interesting guy.

On India, I am more bullish than the bulls. Outside of the traditional yahoos, China and Pakistan, anyone of meaning is actually lining up to do business with india, but India. I have no clue why Indians are not seeing anything close to it. The iron is hot.

This is it. Write your future.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Feb 2017 00:23

Inertia. And its not time yet.

Again need to decode Bannon. He is the thinker in WH.

Also thanks for the podcasts link.
Will add on phone.

Primus · Post by **Primus** » 28 Feb 2017 00:30

^ ^^
Ramana Garu, only speaking from close observation of over 25 yrs, living, working and taking vacations with them, having close friends and colleagues, partners in business etc. Sharing weddings and pujas/seders over many years. I've come to know the community well. I am very fond of them and admire their work ethic and dedication to their cause. Indians could learn a lot from them.

However, just like I am critical of desis viewing Blacks with prejudice, so am I unhappy with the nepotism and racism amongst the Jewish community. Some of this may not be obvious and is often subtle, but is nevertheless there. I am using the dictionary definition of racism here, to wit: 'the belief that certain races of people are superior to others'.

And I am not entirely sure I get your second point.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 28 Feb 2017 00:31

Trump has managed to divert the global media attention. Good for India to an extent. They all need a new bad guy in town. Trump is not going to run out and help India in any way. Primary focus will be on American interests (and his interests), and if India receives a help it would be incidental and not on purpose.

India has to take care of its interests. No one will look after India; and it is unreasonable to expect sympathy or support especially there is no shared history (or shared religion). If America will support India like it does Israel, it means there is a new World out there - and that World has not yet arrived.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 28 Feb 2017 02:07

The guy who got seriously hurt confronting the gunman in Kansas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrni8cwDmi0

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 28 Feb 2017 02:20

how comes you amreeka living republican desis are blind sided by the bannon factor?
we've been tracking him in europe since the autumn...

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Feb 2017 02:23

ramana wrote:
Primus wrote:^
What is funny is that the liberal left is led by Jewish opinion. They feel slightly (or significantly) marginalized at the moment, being denied a feeding spot at the top of the table. Otherwise they are even more racist than the WASPs, at least the conservative ones are.
Read Yascha Mounk, a German expatriate who is in Harvard.

Also reflect on the French Revolution. Why it happened and what was its real effect?

The sack of Rome in 404A.D. ended Roman Empire in Western Europe.
This led to anarchy over 300 years while local elites established feudal kingdoms with help of the Church.
The Church recognized their divine rights to rule.

The Roman Empire was merit based in one aspect. Ordinary soldiers could move up the ranks and become Emperors.
The feudal kingdoms with elites and Church were hereditary.

It ushered in a thousand years of feudal rule in Western Europe till the French Revolution upended the feudal regimes and brought in liberalism.

So what was favorite past time of these feudal regimes till Reformation?

Kill juice.

The great Richard Lion Heart coronation was celebrated with regular massacre.

The depiction in Walter Scott novels of that age, Shakespeare plays all point to that.

So ending feudal age stopped persecution of Juice till Hilter and World War II.
Then followed 40 years of peace and founding of Israel.

Now the fear is Liberalism is dead under Trumpf.
See the double desecration of Jewish cemeteries in US in one month in Liberal Pennsylvania.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Feb 2017 02:24

Lalmohan wrote:how comes you amreeka living republican desis are blind sided by the bannon factor?
we've been tracking him in europe since the autumn...

Wouldn't known that as you were so busy crying over Trump election!!!!

In fact till I wrote about Bannon here in this thread he was largely ignored.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Feb 2017 02:40

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon

Relevant quotes:

Early life, family and education

Stephen Kevin Bannon was born on November 27, 1953, in Norfolk, Virginia, to Doris (née Herr) and Martin Bannon, a telephone lineman.[26][27] His working class, Irish Catholic family were pro-Kennedy, pro-union Democrats.[28][29] After serving as president of the student government association,[30] he graduated from Virginia Tech in 1976 with a bachelor's degree in urban planning and holds a master's degree in national security studies from Georgetown University School of Foreign Service. In 1985,[32] Bannon received a Master of Business Administration degree with honors[33] from Harvard Business School.[34]

Service in U.S. Navy

Bannon was an officer in the United States Navy for seven years in the late 1970s and early 1980s, serving on the destroyer USS Paul F. Foster as a surface warfare officer in the Pacific Fleet and stateside as a special assistant to the Chief of Naval Operations at the Pentagon.[35] Upon his departure he was ranked as a lieutenant (O-3).[1][a]

Business career

Investment banking

After his military service, Bannon worked at Goldman Sachs as an investment banker in the Mergers and Acquisitions Department.[37]When he left the company he held the position of vice president.[38] In 1990, Bannon and several colleagues from Goldman Sachs launched Bannon & Co., a boutique investment bank specializing in media. Through this company, Bannon negotiated the sale of Castle Rock Entertainment to Ted Turner. As payment, Bannon & Co. accepted a financial stake in five television shows, including Seinfeld. Société Générale purchased Bannon & Co. in 1998.[33]

Entertainment and media

Bannon in 2010
In the 1990s, Bannon ventured into the entertainment and media industry. He became an executive producer in the Hollywood film and media industry. Bannon produced 18 films[27] from the 1992 Sean Penn drama The Indian Runner to executive producing Julie Taymor's 1999 film Titus. Bannon became a partner with entertainment industry executive Jeff Kwatinetz at The Firm, Inc., a film and television management company.[33]

In 2004, Bannon made a documentary about Ronald Reagan titled In the Face of Evil. Through the making and screening of this film, Bannon was introduced to Peter Schweizer and publisher Andrew Breitbart, who would later describe him as the Leni Riefenstahl of the Tea Party movement.[33] He was involved in the financing and production of a number of films, including Fire from the Heartland: The Awakening of the Conservative Woman, The Undefeated (on Sarah Palin), and Occupy Unmasked.

Bannon persuaded Goldman Sachs to invest, in 2006, in a company known as Internet Gaming Entertainment.[42] Following a lawsuit, the company rebranded as Affinity Media and Bannon took over as CEO. From 2007 through 2011, Bannon was the chair and CEO of Affinity Media.[43][44]

In 2007, Bannon wrote an eight-page treatment for a new documentary called Destroying the Great Satan: The Rise of Islamic Facism (sic) in America. The outline describes Council on American-Islamic Relations and the Islamic Society of North America as "cultural jihadists". Bannon wrote the outline himself, and it labels the Washington Post, the New York Times, NPR, "Universities and the Left", the "American Jewish Community", the ACLU, the CIA, the FBI, the State Department, and the White House as "enablers" of a covert mission to establish an Islamic Republic in the United States.[45] In 2011, Bannon spoke at the "Liberty Restoration Foundation" in Orlando, Florida about the Economic Crisis of 2008, the potential impact on Medicare and Medicaid, and his 2010 film Generation Zero.[46]

Bannon was executive chair and co-founder of the Government Accountability Institute, a tax-exempt 501(c)(3) organization, where he helped orchestrate the publication of the book Clinton Cash,[33][47] from its founding in 2012 until he left in August 2016.[48] For the years 2012 through 2015, he received between $81,000 and $100,000 each year; the organization reported that he worked an average of 30 hours per week for the organization.[48]

In 2015, Bannon was ranked No. 19 on Mediaite's list of the "25 Most Influential in Political News Media 2015".[49]

Bannon also hosted a radio show (Breitbart News Daily) on the SiriusXM Patriot satellite radio channel.[50]

Breitbart News

Main article: Breitbart News

Bannon was a founding member of the board of Breitbart News,[51] an online far-right news, opinion and commentary website which, according to Philip Elliott and Zeke J. Miller of Time, has "pushed racist, sexist, xenophobic and anti-Semitic material into the vein of the alternative right".[15]

In March 2012, after founder Andrew Breitbart's death, Bannon became executive chair of Breitbart News LLC, the parent company of Breitbart News.[25][52][53] Under his leadership, Breitbart took a more alt-right and nationalistic approach toward its agenda.[54] Bannon declared the website "the platform for the alt-right" in 2016.[17] Bannon identifies as a conservative.[55][56][57] Speaking about his role at Breitbart, Bannon said: "We think of ourselves as virulently anti-establishment, particularly 'anti-' the permanent political class."[58]

Ronald Radosh claimed in The Daily Beast that Bannon had told him, in a book party on November 12, 2013, that he was a Leninist, in that "Lenin wanted to destroy the state, and that's my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today's establishment".[59] Snopes considers this claim unproven,[60] although other media like Time magazine and The Guardian have also reported or discussed it.[61][62]

In a 2014 speech to a Vatican conference, Bannon made a passing reference to Julius Evola, a twentieth-century, Nazi-linked Italian writer who influenced Mussolini's Italian Fascism and promoted the Traditionalist School, "a worldview popular in far-right and alternative religious circles that believes progress and equality are poisonous illusions."[63] In the speech, Bannon cited Evola by name and stated: “We, the Judeo-Christian West, really have to look at what he [ Vladimir Putin, who is influenced by Evola follower Aleksandr Dugin ] is talking about as far as Traditionalism goes — particularly the sense of where it supports the underpinnings of nationalism."[63]

Lebanese-American author Nassim Nicholas Taleb, neoreactionary blogger Curtis Yarvin and conservative intellectual Michael Anton have been pointed out as three of the main influences in Steve Bannon's political thinking, alongside the William Strauss and Neil Howe book The Fourth Turning (which directly inspired Bannon's film Generation Zero).[113

In short he is from working class Irish family(mother is nee Herr could be German) background, military service, Harvard Business School graduate, Goldman Sachs VP, entertainment and media business expert. His outspoken in his conservatism which is based on Conserving Western values: antithetical to Liberal post French Revolution values. His favorite authors are Taleb (Black Swan, Anti-Fragile etc)

Now we shall analyze his speeches to get to his core.

Primus · Post by **Primus** » 28 Feb 2017 05:39

ramana wrote:
Also reflect on the French Revolution. Why it happened and what was its real effect?

So what was favorite past time of these feudal regimes till Reformation?

Kill juice.

Probably. Along with a whole lot of others, but none more so than the poor Roma. Nobody's Children, their fate has been worse than that of the Js through most of history. Even the Js themselves downplay the genocide of the Roma:
http://www.radoc.net/radoc.php?doc=art_ ... &articles=

Everyone in the world cries for the 'Juice', who cries for the Roma, our own lost tribe? Persecuted to this day, simply for being different.

ramana wrote: Now the fear is Liberalism is dead under Trumpf.
See the double desecration of Jewish cemeteries in US in one month in Liberal Pennsylvania.

I do not see liberalism as dead, just not so much 'in your face' as it has been. FWIW I am as liberal as Lady Liberty herself, and hate the values that Trump stands for but sometimes it is good to look in the mirror.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Feb 2017 05:48

Glad the discussion has moved from doom and gloom.

Primus, Bannon has consolidated at CPAC. I was expecting more like June. Already in February.
You will see the results in 2018 when the old guard will be retired. No coup despite fond hopes of the old guard.

LM, Bannon has ideology. His opponents are tactical and have old ideology which fell by the wayside in the primaries. 16 candidates subscribing to that got defeated.

schinnas, NATO mission ended with Cold War end. Its on life support seeking a role for its existence.
Same with EU. EU came from EEC which was a result of two World Wars to contain Germany. With end of Cold War and financial crisis, EU is also losing its relevance. These are the big moves.

NATO to AITPO will make it global military force.

Not happening.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 28 Feb 2017 06:05

ramana wrote:Same with EU. EU came from EEC which was a result of two World Wars to contain Germany. With end of Cold War and financial crisis, EU is also losing its relevance. These are the big moves.

Whether EU is 'losing its relevance' naturally is a question mark...It would have been an economic threat to US dominance though if it had succeeded. The current US support for failure of the EU seems to stem from this understanding.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 28 Feb 2017 07:09

Just to give some context to the attacks on the two Indians, see this: Jews after all have been in the US a LOT longer than desis/Hindus.

More bomb threats were called into Jewish community centers and day schools Monday, in at least 12 states, according to statements from the Anti-Defamation League and JCCA. Many affected institutions were declared clear and have returned to regular operations.The threats targeted JCCs in Alabama, Delaware, Florida, Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania and Virginia.
The Anti-Defamation League said 20 threats were made and the JCCA said 21. Since January 1, there have been 90 incidents at 73 locations in 30 states and one Canadian province, the JCCA said....Between 75 and 100 tombstones were overturned and damaged Saturday night at the Mount Carmel Cemetery in the Wissinoming neighborhood in Philadelphia. The incident is being classified as institutional vandalism. David Posner, director of strategic performance at JCCA, an association of JCCS, said in a statement, "Anti-Semitism of this nature should not and must not be allowed to endure in our communities. Members of our community must see swift and concerted action from federal officials to identify and capture the perpetrator or perpetrators who are trying to instill anxiety and fear in our communities."

Now one reason why that gets news prominence is that they took the trouble to catalog, document and never forget or forgive. Does anyone have data on number of threats/vandalism/police highhandedness against desis? Just today I read an email of a desi mother taking her kid home from school, late in the evening, being arrested, handcuffed and taken to jail for driving with an expired license. Had to get relatives to pay $2500 in cash to get bail, which is not easy since each ATM will give out only $500 max. Got out on bail by 3AM or so. Kid and car had to be taken home by relatives/friends. Pretty extreme I would say.

saip · Post by **saip** » 28 Feb 2017 07:29

Jews have Anti Defamation League, Muslims have CAIR - Council on American-Islamic Relations, Hindus/Indians?

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 28 Feb 2017 07:38

Let me understand what we are looking at here and correct me if I am wrong. We are looking at a nationalist Gov in the US which basically looks as normal white working men as the representation of the US. It does not accept the rules of the game and rules of the establishment when it comes economic relations, internal economic structures and so on.

Primus · Post by **Primus** » 28 Feb 2017 07:59

saip wrote:Jews have Anti Defamation League, Muslims have CAIR - Council on American-Islamic Relations, Hindus/Indians?

FWIW, ADL reported that in 2015 there were more anti-semitic incidents than before. the attacks in campuses almost doubling from the year before.

http://www.adl.org/press-center/press-r ... LS44RLyvMV

Yes, they do track each incident of anti-semitism, catalog it and act upon it. The Indians need to get their act together.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 28 Feb 2017 08:01

China eyeing high-skilled Indians to turn itself a technological hub

Europe could emerge as a land of opportunities for Indians

The US better buckup if it wants to maintain the global primacy of Silicon Valley.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 28 Feb 2017 08:04

ramana wrote:
Again need to decode Bannon. He is the thinker in WH.

I had posted this earlier. This is THE horse talking. Cannot get any closer to Bannon.

This Is How Steve Bannon Sees The Entire World

As a general reminder, Bannon attended Harvard and then clerked at Goldman Sachs.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 28 Feb 2017 08:06

Arjun wrote:China eyeing high-skilled Indians to turn itself a technological hub

Europe could emerge as a land of opportunities for Indians

The US better buckup if it wants to maintain the global primacy of Silicon Valley.

The theory is that most trade, etc goes through the US. For both China and Europe to do well they have to sell to the US.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 28 Feb 2017 08:19

NRao wrote:The theory is that most trade, etc goes through the US. For both China and Europe to do well they have to sell to the US.

So what is the upper bound (loose is OK) of selling to a saturated 320 million people market vs. 1.25 billion of India? China is ~1.4 billion market. IMHO, we amreekhans are tech-fatigued. How many more Social networking/messgaing applications/apps (killer apps AKA Mozillas) one can sell in this market?

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 28 Feb 2017 08:22

NRao wrote:I had posted this earlier. This is THE horse talking. Cannot get any closer to Bannon.

Boss, buzzfeed is the Horse (I am presuming you meant horse as in straight from the horse's mouth)? It is anything but, IMHO. Plizz to expand on that one cryptic sentence. Pretty please.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 28 Feb 2017 08:35

NRao wrote:The theory is that most trade, etc goes through the US. For both China and Europe to do well they have to sell to the US.

THe US + Canada would be around 40% of global IT market, with the share expected to decline due to higher growth in Asia.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 28 Feb 2017 08:36

matrimc wrote:
NRao wrote:I had posted this earlier. This is THE horse talking. Cannot get any closer to Bannon.
Boss, buzzfeed is the Horse (I am presuming you meant horse as in straight from the horse's mouth)? It is anything but, IMHO. Plizz to expand on that one cryptic sentence. Pretty please.

??????

Here is what he said, unedited:

Steve Bannon: Thank you very much Benjamin

Only horse that comes in red. : )

Bannon spells out - in detail - what his grips are. This was a feed to a radical corner of the Vatican - note how he says that the Pope is from Arg and thus exposed to a capitalism pushed by Russia/China (that benefits only a few).

Interesting stuff. Not meant for casual analysts.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 28 Feb 2017 08:41

Arjun wrote:
NRao wrote:The theory is that most trade, etc goes through the US. For both China and Europe to do well they have to sell to the US.
THe US + Canada would be around 40% of global IT market, with the share expected to decline due to higher growth in Asia.

I was not talking of "IT", which is near dead anyways. Even Indian majors are moving to "AI" which is a death trap. Anything you manufacture/sell has traditionally gone through the US. That is what Trump is banking on.

So what is the upper bound (loose is OK) of selling to a saturated 320 million people market vs. 1.25 billion of India? China is ~1.4 billion market. IMHO, we amreekhans are tech-fatigued. How many more Social networking/messgaing applications/apps (killer apps AKA Mozillas) one can sell in this market?

It originated in an earlier post that China and Europe are trying to attract Indian talent and thus the US should buck up. The question I have is, where are the Chinese and Europe going to sell their ware to? Not within China. And not within Europe. Perhaps India?

Their goal is always the US.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Feb 2017 09:39

while not creating too many millionaires themselves, the lesser lights of the anglosphere are profiting handsomely by selling their living std, safety, edu, open markets etc. punching way above their economic and strategic weight here.

the high number exiting france are likely due to the higher taxes there and less freedom to open and shut business, so anglosphere lets you keep more of your money as a +ve too , even for a highly developed place like france

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 28 Feb 2017 09:49

NRao wrote:I was not talking of "IT", which is near dead anyways. Even Indian majors are moving to "AI" which is a death trap. Anything you manufacture/sell has traditionally gone through the US. That is what Trump is banking on.

Well there is an easy way to measure what the US market is worth as compared to the world...it is the ratio of US GDP to global GDP. Comes to around 20% right now...has been continuing to decline over last two decades and that trajectory will obviously not change given what the US growth rate is compared to India or China's.

Regarding IT being ''near dead' you seem to be relying a tad too much on general news reports without having any understanding of what kind of data you can track to directly understand the health of the market. Check out industry growth rates in Information Tech globally and how it compares to Manufacturing. And yes, AI is very much a part of the IT market....

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 28 Feb 2017 11:42

saip wrote:Jews have Anti Defamation League, Muslims have CAIR - Council on American-Islamic Relations, Hindus/Indians?

HAF. ?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Feb 2017 12:09

Russia emigres would not be revealing their true net worth. Same for china..black money moves to hong kong and then converted into anglo currencies for moving abroad.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 28 Feb 2017 13:02

More a case of Tax Evaders and Bank Scammers/High Net worth Criminals running from these countries to West where they are welcome. We have our Vijay Malaya and Nadeem/Sharavan

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Feb 2017 13:12

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Feb 2017 13:16

since a lot of the brf pointy heads + tinfoil hat types both visit this thread, posting this review. I have a feeling I should read this . have ordered both the books today.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/ ... ari-review

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 28 Feb 2017 13:50

Austin wrote:More a case of Tax Evaders and Bank Scammers/High Net worth Criminals running from these countries to West where they are welcome. We have our Vijay Malaya and Nadeem/Sharavan

Vijay Mallya had defaulted to the banks. There is no proof to the effect that he diverted money from banks to his purpose so far. He might have done that also. But, I am not sure he has. Nadeem is a jihadi. The UK is not going to send them to face the music in India. It goes entirely against the brand of the UK they are trying to build.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 28 Feb 2017 14:45

ramana wrote: LM, Bannon has ideology. His opponents are tactical and have old ideology which fell by the wayside in the primaries. 16 candidates subscribing to that got defeated.

bannon definitely has ideology - and i think i have been highlighting it for some time on this forum. particularly the nature of that ideology and its linkages with similar thinking people around the western world. Also the linkage of that ideology with certain strong men. but i'm afraid you were amongst the strongest voices in shutting down that discussion here.

i would seriously question wether it was the ideology that drove team trump to victory or the ability of some with that ideology to hijack a wider populist sentiment?

question is, do you amreekan desis - understand what that ideology is? what does it mean to you? what does it mean to the world at large? If you did schooling in India, I don't think you would have covered the ins and outs of it to much depth in history classes. if you did schooling in amreeka, you might have to a greater extent - but if you studied STEM, it is unlikely you paid much attention.

the parallels with 1930's germany are strikingly strong

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Feb 2017 15:12

the thing which struck me as ODD in that vatican speech was his careful prefacing of every utterance of christian with judeo- based on what? 5 million out of 300 million americans.
what influence did jews have on the early settler farmer cultures of american colonies - almost none I would expect. jews have never been farmers in amrika - they are mostly in urban areas in trades and education and now STEM, public admin & finance. in western europe they were mostly banned from owning land in the middle ages and hence restricted to urban trades like teaching, finance, medicine, music, handicrafts etc - the precursors of what became high income white collar jobs later on. they were too small in number to infuence the national culture of even small euro nations like austria or belgium.

to me it seems he is carefully building bridges and acknowledging the power of the jews who dont have anything much in common with the 'nativist christian' ideology he wants to promote.

that way he is very smart - avoid conflict with folks who can bring him down or impede him while he gets his band together and puts on the war paint.

the strident calls of bomb iran might also be a bone thrown to this niche.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 28 Feb 2017 15:56

I do not live in the US so I am only an outsider to this internal debate about the US. Having said that. The result of Nov 2016 was due to the serious economic hardship of all kinds and major disillusionment with the establishment. Bannon was largely unknown to voters in the US at that time. Do his ideas form part of the election programme of DT? Sure. Ideas like nationalism were always popular in any country, and somehow the lib/left gang gave an impression to the people that they are not looking for the national interest. Trade deals etc. reenforced the same image of the establishment. Normal white workers were simply abandoned by Dems. Added to this they have put up HC who cheated Burnee to get the nomination. At least that is the general impression in the large section of the voters who would have voted for Dems and have not.

All created a perfect storm for DT who would have been lost against any reasonable Dem candidate. We also shall give credit to DT. He defeated all his party establishment candidates, press, and then Dems to win the elections. That speaks a lot about the man. We may be true that he is crazy, but he is crazy like a fox.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 28 Feb 2017 17:29

there is no doubt that DT played a good game and he has ability. everything he said - barring maybe the billi-grabbing was calculated and taken almost directly out of the non-linear-warfare manual. once billi-grab happened it was neatly spun around to become an asset with his core base. the brains behind the non-linear approach was bannon. this is what defeated his republican opponents, and this is what rode them to victory.

current investigations will reveal to what extent the bannonistas colluded with the FSB/kremlin to make it so or if bannon just bought the surkov book and ad-libbed. the departure of flynn and other snippets that are being unearthed suggests that collusion is more likely. However, the actual fact of victory i believe was unexpected. bannon's declared agenda is to blow up the system and start again as a white christian nationalist power that focuses on those factors above others - america first. this is not exactly a new ideology and not uniquely american. many of the people who follow it see vlad as its iconic leader. his inclusion of judeo in front of christian is taqiya and treaty of hudabiya - a model we know well.

what we are seeing play out now in washington is the battle between the bannonistas and the institutionistas... and its not clear how this is going to go. However, I can conclude from this that DT himself is a front-piece (like other presidents) but he is not the great visionary leader.

america will be destabilised for the next few years, the EU is already unstable and teetering. NLW objectives seem to have been achieved.