India-US relations: News and Discussions III

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 01 Mar 2017 06:29

That blog looks interesting. I will go through it at some leisure.

OmkarC · Post by **OmkarC** » 01 Mar 2017 06:47

If some jewish cabal did this as has been claimed, they have capitalized on Kansas shootings very well. Look at NYT editorial yesterday:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/27/opin ... pe=article
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Mr. Trump’s denunciations of and policies targeting Mexicans, Muslims and others have reawakened and energized the demons of bigotry. Hate crimes and other incidents of bias have flared up, as documented by many news organizations. Mr. Kuchibhotla’s murder is one end of a continuum of hate. Elsewhere, people have defiled or threatened violence at Jewish cemeteries and synagogues.
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TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 01 Mar 2017 07:19

kansas has a lot of extremism

it goes back to the civil war.

koch brothers are one manifestation of it.

gunning down an abortion doctor while he attended a church service is another.

reference the book "whats the matter with kansas?".

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 01 Mar 2017 07:23

Elsewhere, people have defiled or threatened violence at Jewish cemeteries and synagogues.
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this happened in st louis and philadelphia.

trump supporters may not have been involved.

inner cities are not havens of trump supporters.

OmkarC · Post by **OmkarC** » 01 Mar 2017 07:29

Yes, its just Kansas, Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, All of California except the SF Bay area & LA, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska,Entire countryside of NE, Upstate New York, Most of New Jersey, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania countryside, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia (East & West), Wyoming & Wisconsin that are the problem.. Rest of the states are fine

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Mar 2017 08:18

I think the nativist christian meme/make america great again is a nostalgic longing for the golden age of white amrika from 1850 to 1970 when amrika enjoyed decades after decades of china style growth and lifted all pretty much into lower middle class and hdi levels took quantim leaps. An era of cheap food, ready jobs without hifi edu gating, less income disparity, worlds factory, there was less dissent, less whiney minorities, no shaming over casual racism....boys could be boys in their worldview. The untermensch knew their place and poleece dogs and posses kept them in line.

But it ignores the racist policies and public attitudes and plight of the minorities in that era. Member Komal has already given a little peek into those angles.

the very success in raising the per capita to high levels and the financial robber capitalism that took hold made many jobs unviable as shareholders demanded margins not compassionate capitalism. Success shifted from production to financial engineering and insurance. Big pharma got their hooks into everyones flesh under guise of cost of innovation.

America has long stopped being led by captains of industry and the ship is run by captains of finance since 1970s.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 01 Mar 2017 08:33

TSJones wrote: trump supporters may not have been involved.
inner cities are not havens of trump supporters.

Just a thought: Most of the viciously hate-filled ppl- esp. towards desis - seen in the past 3 months are HiC/donkey fans, hain? Getting worse as now the SDOTUS and EPeeyay are disbanded... Jews and Hindus are targeted as symbols of the corporate military-Industrial-wall St complex of productive, patriotic, disciplined people, probably. The cemetery/tombstone vandalism looks like something that Biju Mathew or Angana Chatterji or Arundhati Roy might do. Maybe Dur-ka Butt. Probably feasting on corpses and howling by the light of the full Moon. I don't see anything in the DT campaign that should have excited hate against Jews, if anything he promised to move the embassy to Jerusalem and fire all State Dept ppl who refused to carry out that order. Same with the shooter in Kansas - is there anything to tie him with Republican/Trump campaigns? Hating iranians is a sunni/ HiC trait.

kiranA · Post by **kiranA** » 01 Mar 2017 08:40

ramana wrote:
Suraj wrote:Breaking news on WSJ: President Trump proposes cutting State Department budget by 37% to help pay for increased defense budget.

So quite a few Arabists will get the walking papers.

Should have happened after 1988 but the Kool aid was strong.

Do you need the arabists when you have presidents sons ? two of them visited Dubai recently to open a golf course. As they hobnob, play golf and sip champagne wont they have a sympathetic ear ?

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 01 Mar 2017 09:03

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/32168 ... n-congress

I think this is a maximum position DT is taking. He will have to negotiate with Legislators on this. I wonder how much payments to pakis will be affected in the end.

Melwyn · Post by **Melwyn** » 01 Mar 2017 11:37

'Get out of my country?' Indians say they still love America

Venu Madhav, the brother-in-law of Kuchibhotla's wife, says the incident hasn't changed his view of America. "I have a lot of respect for America and my family has a lot of respect for America," he says, adding that he would definitely still send his children there. "We love America."

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 01 Mar 2017 12:20

amitkv wrote:'Get out of my country?' Indians say they still love America

Venu Madhav, the brother-in-law of Kuchibhotla's wife, says the incident hasn't changed his view of America. "I have a lot of respect for America and my family has a lot of respect for America," he says, adding that he would definitely still send his children there. "We love America."

That, folks, is the power and allure of the greenback. Even at the cost of one's life.

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 01 Mar 2017 12:29

Nothing new. After 9/11, there were incidents where Sikhs were targeted & killed. That didn't stop people from leaving to Amreeka. I don't see why it is any different this time or in future.

From the above article

The image of the United States has long woven with the idea of power, success, and progress. Despite fears over the Kuchibhotla incident, that remains the case for many Indians.

"In our society to go to just work in the United States, it's a matter of prestige for our family, for our friends," says Sannat Mengi, a freshman at the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT), Delhi.

His university alumni are known for landing jobs with startups and Fortune 500 companies in Silicon Valley; star graduates include the CEOs of Google and Vodafone India

"We all are attracted to the US and the research they have got there," he says. "We have to look into our own progress, so I would still like to go there, no matter how much instances like these happen."

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Mar 2017 13:07

looking at demand trends another consulate in amaravathi would be in order...

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 01 Mar 2017 14:03

http://profit.ndtv.com/news/global-econ ... eststories

UCSFO lays off 49 it workers and sends them off to .....

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 01 Mar 2017 14:22

Singha wrote:http://profit.ndtv.com/news/global-econ ... eststories

UCSFO lays off 49 it workers and sends them off to .....

Wont go well with DT , All this needs is some media coverage

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 01 Mar 2017 17:55

ramana wrote:
Suraj wrote:Breaking news on WSJ: President Trump proposes cutting State Department budget by 37% to help pay for increased defense budget.

So quite a few Arabists will get the walking papers.

Should have happened after 1988 but the Kool aid was strong.

Doesn't look like it will happen.

Possible budget cuts to State Dept., foreign aid draw bipartisan opposition

A Trump administration proposal to slash funding for the State Department and foreign aid is unlikely to be approved by Congress, lawmakers from both parties said Tuesday.

“It’s dead on arrival,” Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) said in an interview with NBC. “It’s not gonna happen. It would be a disaster.”

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 01 Mar 2017 18:47

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... re-country

From Wiki: Mem Fox, AM (born Merrion Frances Partridge on 5 March 1946) is an Australian writer of children's books and an educationalist specialising in literacy. Fox is semi-retired and lives in Adelaide.

I had been upright, dignified, cool and polite, and this was so cruelly unexpected, so appalling, that he should say it was a pleasure. It couldn’t have been a pleasure for him to treat me like that, unless he was a psychopath.

In that moment I loathed America. I loathed the entire country. And it was my 117th visit to the country so I know that most people are very generous and warm-hearted. They have been wonderful to me over the years. I got over that hatred within a day or two. But this is not the way to win friends, to do this to someone who is Australian when we have supported them in every damn war. It’s absolutely outrageous.

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I am a human being, so I do understand that these people might not be well-trained, but they now have carte blanche to be as horrible and belligerent as they want. They’ve gone mad – they’ve got all the power that they want but they don’t have the training.

They made me feel like such a crushed, mashed, hopeless old lady and I am a feisty, strong, articulated English speaker. I kept thinking that if this were happening to me, a person who is white, articulate, educated and fluent in English, what on earth is happening to people who don’t have my power?

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 01 Mar 2017 18:54

Sunayana, the unfortunate wife, wrote a FB post that is doing the rounds. Srini seems like a regular brfite.

This is my first official blog post on Facebook, and it is with a heavy heart that I am writing these words. On the dreadful night of Wednesday February 22nd 2017, I lost my husband — my soul mate — my friend and my confidante. He was a source of inspiration, a support system not just to me but to any and all he got to know. He always had a smile for every one, respected all especially his elders. We met in August 2006 through common friends then connected on an online portal called Orkut – not a usual face to face introduction- and started liking each other instantly. He was so charming that I could not resist.

I am the baby of my house, being the youngest with two elder sisters. I grew up to be a carefree child. It was Srinivas who gave me the courage to pursue my dream of coming to the USA and studying, which made me the person I am today — an independent, self-sufficient and strong woman. I started working only recently, May 2016. He’d played a major role in me attaining a job, always encouraging and working with me though my disappointments, especially as I was starting back again after 4 years of a career break.

His passion was to constantly innovate in the the aviation industry. Here in America, he commenced is his career at Rockwell Collins, and he worked On Flight Control System especially on Primary Flight Control Computer that would change the way flights work with improved performances. He dedicated his life to this development. There were days he used to come home to have only dinner and leave for work again - only return around 2 or 3 in the morning. He was very happy at Rockwell and liked living in a small town like Cedar Rapids, Iowa. But we decided to move from there to a bigger city so that I could get a job and be able to pursue my dreams, as he was able to do for himself. Kansas was our instant choice, and we moved here with a lot of dreams. We built our dream home, which he painted, and installed the garage door. Doing any kind of work on his home gave him immense joy. This was the home that he had built to – for us and any kids we would have- was our first step to starting our family. It’s so unfortunate that this dream of ours is now shattered. All of this, because of one person, who did not think of the impact his deed would have on the victim’s family. When police came to our house that night and gave me the news of my husband’s life being taken away by a random shooter, I could not believe their words, it was so surreal. I asked them repeatedly, “Are you sure?”, “Are you telling the truth?”, “Did you see the man you are talking about?”, “Can you show me a picture to identify?”, “Is the man that you are talking about 6’ 2’’?” They were just nodding their heads saying yes. With no family here in Kansas and his brother in Dallas, my immediate reaction was to call his brother. When I called him to say what the police had just told me, he thought I was joking.

My friends were by my side and did not leave me for even a second. Friends drove from Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Minnesota, and St. Louis. Many flew from Denver, California, and New Jersey to say a final goodbye to their beloved and dearest friend, who was always only kind to them. Both his aunts from NJ and NY came to take care of me and him.

He would have turned 33 on March 9th, and we were planning to fly to NJ for his cousin’s engagement. He was excited and eagerly waiting for the event, and we had plans to shop this past weekend for the trip. Things turned out differently, I was on my way to India with him in a coffin.

We got married after 6 years of close friendship, and it was not an easy process. He had to convince not only his parents but also mine. He met my family multiple times to convince them that he was capable and suitable for their beloved daughter. He answered all their questions with a smile on his face. His charm was such that he instantly became one of the members of my family and became their favorite son-in-law, brother-in-law, and uncle. It is still unbelievable that he is not here.

He found happiness in simple things. One of his most favorite pastimes was watching TV, which he watched with so much passion and intensity. His favorite shows lately were Person of Interest and Indian Idol. He was a family man and liked to eat home-cooked meals. Every night, I used to pack lunch for him and myself. He used to hate packing for himself and used to give me the funniest explanations for not doing so. He would say, “If I pack my lunch, I would know what I would eat later on. But if you pack it, I will have that surprise element.” If anyone gave him a heartful meal, he would bless that person by saying, “Anna datha sukkhi bhava” (a saying in Telugu that translates to, “You made my heart happy with the food, so may God bless you”). This was something many of his friends picked up from him.

He really enjoyed Arnab Goswami during his lunch at work and was eagerly waiting for him to come on.

He loved kids and was an instant favorite of any kid. We were planning to expand our own family and had had a doctor’s appointment just a few weeks ago. One of the last thoughts that he shared with me were “Nani (his nickname for me), we need to save money if we have to end up going for in-vitro to conceive.” I am writing this as it sinks in to me that this dream of ours is now shattered. I really wish we had a child of our own in whom I could at least see Srinivas and make him like Srinu.

He always cared about what was happening around him, and he was very proud of Mr. Narendra Modi ji and India. He was sure that India had finally found the leader that could make India shine. This might seem unreal, but I know because there wasn’t a day that ended without him watching the news or reading multiple newspapers before going to bed.

Srinu was the epitome of optimism. That was his motto. I remember asking him why he’d chosen to pursue digital signal processing and electrical engineering for his master’s degree. He said, “I scored less in that subject in Bachelors of Technology and wanted to explore why I received a lower score.” That was his optimism.

He was really happy to see Sushma Swaraj as the external affairs minister — such a brave and courageous woman, and how quick she reacted for those in need. He must have never thought that he would be one among them one day. But knowing my Srinu, he would have felt very proud of you for helping us and his family in crisis. Thanks again, Madam. I wish I could meet both you and Mr. Modi ji and share his joy posthumously.

He was always worried about immigration and its laws. He followed them very closely over the internet. There were days when he used to talk about how it’s been quite a few years since we applied for our permanent residency card, and he didn’t know how much longer we have to wait for it. He used to say having one would give him the chance to explore even more his passion for the aviation industry. He very closely monitored the H4 EAD rule and did whatever he could do in his capacity for the rule to be passed - not just for me, but for every woman and for those who deserve a career and a chance to fulfill their dreams. He was filled with joy when the rule passed and was so happy that he said, “Nani, now you can work. It is not that we need the money, but it’s so that you can follow your own dreams and make your parents proud.”

His father had a very low-income job, and Srinivas was the middle son of three sons. There wasn’t a day that went by without him mentioning how hard his father worked to make his sons the way they are today, and that he would have to do a lot for his parents. I’m sure, Srinu, that you made them proud, and I wish you didn’t have to leave us. He was a loving brother to both his siblings, especially the younger one, whom he treated like his own son more than a brother. He was elated when the youngest got married back in November 2015.

From what I know or heard from his parents, himself, and his brothers, all three brothers were very naughty. I remember him saying that when the three started to laugh, they would be panicked that in next 5 minutes there would be a fight and something would be broken in the house. As their father was very strict and always wanted them to focus on education, he would always be pushing them to study and many a time would have to run after them to make them sit for their studies. The youngest and eldest always managed to escape first, and Srinu, would always stay behind and get the scolding of all three brothers.

As I mentioned in the press meet, whenever there was an incident involving someone dying, both of us got worried, and I many times spoke my heart to him. We came here to achieve and fulfill our dreams. He always assured me that if we think good, be good, then good will happen to us and that we will be safe. He used to hug me tightly and sleep giving me this assurance. Srinu, now that I have gotten used to that warm hug, I might not be able to sleep. That was the only place in the world that I could sleep without any worries or tensions.

I was able to see random acts of kindness at the Kansas City airport when people recognized me and hugged me. I met a dermatologist who said I changed the purpose of her life. Maybe that was the first win during this fight to spread to love.

I think I can just keep writing and finish a book, but that still isn’t enough to talk about you or the love that you spread around. I’m still trying to digest the fact that in one evening I became a widow from a wife.

Srinu, my love, I don’t know how I’ll be able to fill the void I now have created in my life, but I promise you I’ll never let you down. It is so funny that you were my editor for any important email I had written, but now, for the first time, I am having to do it myself.
I LOVE YOU, AND YOU ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE MINE.

I wish that you had come home when I asked you to have tea. I have many unanswered questions, and I wish you would answer them, but the only way I could get those answers now is by coming to you and your new home on the other side. I don’t know when that day will come.

My sincere thanks to each one of those who are helping us cope with this loss. I thank, Garmin and its employees, for conducting the vigil and allowing me to speak and share my Srinivas with you all.

Thanks to Mr. Cliff Pemble, the CEO of Garmin, for speaking such kind words about my husband and his contribution to Garmin. I can’t express my happiness that you came to my home to pay your last respects to him, held my hand, and went all around the house hearing his stories. This shows me how important he was to the company. Also, Didier, Dave, Phil, Patrick, Garmin Legal Team, HR Team, and to all those sitting in the auditorium during the vigil, thanks a lot for your support.

Thanks to Mr. Frank, CEO of Intouch Solutions, for assuring me that I can take however long and still come back and continue my job. Thanks for coming home and delivering the message personally. Thanks to Katema, David, and every employee of Intouch Solutions, who came to console me and gave me the same assurance.

Thanks to the Mayor for your kind words, giving us the assurance, and making a personal visit to the house. Also, thank you for making sure we received the privacy we asked for. I was told by Congressmen Yoder and Senator Moran that you were trying to reach out to me. Thanks a lot for your concern and for working on my immigration status. This is my Srinu’s dream, and it is the least I could do for my Srinivas - fulfill his dreams through my eyes - and it is for this I have to come back to the USA.

Thanks to the Detectives and District Attorney Steve for working hard on this case and finding the culprit. I know you will make sure justice is served.

Thanks to the medical team that worked on Srinu and tried hard to revive him back. I truly wish that your efforts had succeeded and he was with us today.

I do not have words to express my gratitude towards Mr. Ian Grillot for what you have done. Thanks for having the courage and trying in whatever way possible to save my husband. When I am back in Olathe, I would like to meet you personally. You and your act of kindness will help me survive and still have the faith in love and spreading love and not hate. I hope you get well soon.

Thanks to all those communities that have come forward and have been praying for Srinivas’s soul and his family’s well being.

Thanks to the funeral home for being so considerate and obliging to our request of sending him to his house, the house that he had built with so many dreams. I have the good luck charm that you gave me. Thank you.

Thanks to the media and press for agreeing to not disturb us and for respecting our privacy. Thanks again, and keep up your good work. A special mention to Ms. Rajini Vaidyanathan
(BBC correspondent).

Thanks to people like Satya Nadella and Kamala Harris for supporting through your tweets. It means a lot to us. My sincere request to Mark Zuckerberg, Sundar Pichai, Satya Nadella, and many others to keep advocating your support for human rights. We need to spread love and stop this hatred. Today, it’s an employee of Garmin, tomorrow, it could be one of your employees, and I don’t want anyone to go through what my family and household went through.

Thanks to the Consular General Officers who expedited the process.

Thanks to the government of Telangana for giving us the assurance that his remains will be taken to his house without any problem, and we request the media in India to be considerate of our privacy.

Mr. Amitabh Bachchan sir, there wasn’t a party that ended without us dancing to your songs. Our friends used to fondly call us Amitabh and Jaya because my husband is 6’2’’ and I am 5 feet. My husband used to say that our kids should be as tall as Abhishek and Shweta. Shah Rukh Khan sir, he was a huge fan of yours, and he made sure we watched your latest movie, Raees. I need all your support to pass this strong message of spreading love and giving confidence to every foreign national that their fight will be listened to.

I will now ask same question — On what basis we decide a person is good or bad, and of course, it’s not based on the color of your skin. So what decides that? Many times, these issues are talked about for a few weeks and people tend to forget about them afterward, but the fight must go on towards eradicating hatred from the minds of people. So what is the government going to do to stop hate crime?

Lastly, to answer the question that is in every immigrant’s mind, DO WE BELONG HERE?
Is this the same country we dreamed of and is it still secure to raise our families and children here?

-Sunayana Dumala

OmkarC · Post by **OmkarC** » 01 Mar 2017 21:33

arshyam wrote:
amitkv wrote:'Get out of my country?' Indians say they still love America

Venu Madhav, the brother-in-law of Kuchibhotla's wife, says the incident hasn't changed his view of America. "I have a lot of respect for America and my family has a lot of respect for America," he says, adding that he would definitely still send his children there. "We love America."
That, folks, is the power and allure of the greenback. Even at the cost of one's life.

Indian middle class seems to do well in societies that have already built, where they can focus on sustaining their families.

BajKhedawal · Post by **BajKhedawal** » 01 Mar 2017 21:47

^^^ maybe true, but then we also did well in other societies like the Patels in Africa before ANY development in recent history.

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 01 Mar 2017 23:21

That is a pretty heartbreaking read, they both would seem to fit right into BRF.

Other than calling the kill-billy mentally retarded (or disturbed) or high on drugs and low of alcohol (i.e. excusing him because of what are factors not really in his control), have any liberal writers of this great land written a response to that grieving widow that says something like: "We are sorry this happened, but you belong here as much as we do".

I did not bother to search, out of disgust, but I am willing to bet that search would come up empty.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Mar 2017 00:54

Very touching eulogy by Sunaina Kuchibhotla.
She painted a pictures of Srinivas and we found him in ourselves.

Yes very sorry this happened and he belongs very much in aerospace avionics world as the best of them

Designing Flight Control Systems Computers is the acme in that field.

We miss you even though we didn't know you.

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One thing Trump said last night was he would speed up the legal immigration process where people like Srinivas would get priority.
Am thankful he mentioned Kansas City shooting in his speech to the Congress.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Mar 2017 00:55

JohnTitor wrote:
ramana wrote:

So quite a few Arabists will get the walking papers.

Should have happened after 1988 but the Kool aid was strong.
Doesn't look like it will happen.

Possible budget cuts to State Dept., foreign aid draw bipartisan opposition

A Trump administration proposal to slash funding for the State Department and foreign aid is unlikely to be approved by Congress, lawmakers from both parties said Tuesday.

“It’s dead on arrival,” Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) said in an interview with NBC. “It’s not gonna happen. It would be a disaster.”

Two deplorables McCain and Graham I wont miss seeing them sidelined.

Loud mouth do nothing 'keep the scam' going Republicans.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Mar 2017 00:59

Austin wrote:
Singha wrote:http://profit.ndtv.com/news/global-econ ... eststories

UCSFO lays off 49 it workers and sends them off to .....
Wont go well with DT , All this needs is some media coverage

it has been going on for sometime.
UCSF saves $30M which could go to running the hospitals
They hired HCL to do the work.
Medical records transcription.
AI would automate this work anyway.
Some of the workers made scurrilous remarks about patient records privacy being at risk as if HCL is fly-by-night operator.

DT if he wants to keep them has to subsidize the UCSF with the $30M and retain jobs!!!

Melwyn · Post by **Melwyn** » 02 Mar 2017 01:26

^ Reminded me of a news I saw yesterday about about the blue collar workers in the rust belt. They were fondly remembering the days when they would make $30-40/hr working at a factory. Even if they got fired, they could just get another job "across the town" and keep enjoying their cushy lifestyle. They think DT can bring back those jobs and that lifestyle.

How disillusioned they will be at the end of DTs term. No way in the world can US have manufacturing jobs that pay that much. Chinese labors probably make in a month what a $40/hr massa worker makes in a day or two. In addition, with all the automation and AI there is no need for any company to hire such low skill people anymore. There will be factories but will employ fewer people with higher education and skill set rather than rednecks with guns. China hitched on to the outsourcing bandwagon at just the right time.

India lost a critical decade during UPA raj and now it looks just impossible for us to climb out of the mess.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 02 Mar 2017 01:39

It is possible to revive atleast some mfg if things like exchange rate pegging are tackled. even then 'economy of scale' driven low prices at china will be a significant barrier to new mfg

i do have a fear that this whole 'disruption' thing is going to be done to destroy these regimes in place now, once they realise there aren't any easy ways and threatening industries does not work

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 02 Mar 2017 01:48

LokeshC wrote:That is a pretty heartbreaking read, they both would seem to fit right into BRF.

Other than calling the kill-billy mentally retarded (or disturbed) or high on drugs and low of alcohol (i.e. excusing him because of what are factors not really in his control), have any liberal writers of this great land written a response to that grieving widow that says something like: "We are sorry this happened, but you belong here as much as we do".

I did not bother to search, out of disgust, but I am willing to bet that search would come up empty.

This was NYT editorial couple of days back:

Who Belongs in Trump’s America?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Mar 2017 02:00

NYT is as usual bashing Trump.

Sikhs were killed in Obama's America.

How about addressing true root cause?

BTW Trump mother is a Scottish immigrant. His grandfather is a German immigrant.

As for his anti Semitic persona, his daughter is married to a Jew and has converted to Judaism.

How many Democrat Liberals have that?

OmkarC · Post by **OmkarC** » 02 Mar 2017 02:33

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzlKmRrDv2k

This is reported sensationally, but apparently an Indian guy's house in Colorado was ransacked w/ "all brown people need to go back" graffiti.

I have personally heard of 2-3 incidents of verbal racism w/ go back to your country taunts. In Plano, TX a woman was hit w/ a shopping cart in Costco by another woman and asked to get out of the country.

The situation is not under control despite Trump's reassurance and Indians are being targeted due to jealousy, famous for accumulating wealth and common knowledge that they don't own Guns.

There needs to be a community wide strategy on how to counter this, if we are to survive Trump's presidency.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 02 Mar 2017 02:41

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2017/02/06/i ... -messages/

Here is the local news coverage of the attack on the Indian-American family's home in Colorado.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 02 Mar 2017 02:55

I tend to agree with NYT editorial in this case, Mr. T must share some responsibility for vitiating the atmosphere through his demagoguery which has lead to a spurt of hate crimes culminating in murder of an innocent Indian, and this may not be end of it.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 02 Mar 2017 03:12

Dipanker wrote:I tend to agree with NYT editorial in this case, Mr. T must share some responsibility for vitiating the atmosphere through his demagoguery which has lead to a spurt of hate crimes culminating in murder of an innocent Indian, and this may not be end of it.

Can you list some things that Trump said that make you think he is responsible?

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 02 Mar 2017 03:23

there has been a steady stream of invective directed towards hispanics and muslims - with a lack of specificity on what that term means. the direct appeal to the nationalist sentiment, the appeal for america first, the tacit support of the KKK and the alt-right. all of these factors lead to a general antipathy towards the other - in this case anyone who is not white, or not white enough. the anti-jewish thing comes by default as a pet hate of the far right. just like there are good jehadis and bad jehadis, they have been playing a game of good nationalists and bad nationalists...
but its ok, amreekan desis are the chosen few (more than the yahudis) and exempt from such base behaviours
its all just a misunderstanding and will blow over soon

pravula · Post by **pravula** » 02 Mar 2017 03:29

Coding tests at port of entry.

“Your visa says you are a software engineer. Is that correct?” the officer asked Omin in a tone the engineer described as accusatory. When Omin said it was right, the officer presented him with a piece of paper and a pen and told him to answer the following questions:

“Write a function to check if a Binary Search Tree is balanced.”
“What is an abstract class, and why do you need it?”

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/software ... -fairchild

Melwyn · Post by **Melwyn** » 02 Mar 2017 03:53

A few people I know were detained at SFO airport for extra vetting and then mysteriously let go with "You are in trouble" warning after 30 mins. No reason was given for why they were detained after landing. I can understand how they feel after being on the plane for close to 24 hours and suffering jet lag.

OmkarC · Post by **OmkarC** » 02 Mar 2017 04:51

BajKhedawal wrote:^^^ maybe true, but then we also did well in other societies like the Patels in Africa before ANY development in recent history.

Touche.. good point.

OmkarC · Post by **OmkarC** » 02 Mar 2017 05:21

Lalmohan wrote:there has been a steady stream of invective directed towards hispanics and muslims - with a lack of specificity on what that term means. the direct appeal to the nationalist sentiment, the appeal for america first, the tacit support of the KKK and the alt-right. all of these factors lead to a general antipathy towards the other - in this case anyone who is not white, or not white enough. the anti-jewish thing comes by default as a pet hate of the far right. just like there are good jehadis and bad jehadis, they have been playing a game of good nationalists and bad nationalists...
but its ok, amreekan desis are the chosen few (more than the yahudis) and exempt from such base behaviours
its all just a misunderstanding and will blow over soon

Whether RW whites are right on hating Jews or not, is debatable. But have seen the propensity of Jews to cleverly align themselves w/ any victim minority group - don't know if they are really the victims or these are fake attacks. Or perhaps even if these are fake attacks, they are just driven by a primordial survival instinct due to their smaller numbers.

More than a misunderstanding blowing over, there is going to be a steady surge of more attacks - as Trump will fail to live up to his promise of providing manufacturing jobs to his blue collar demographic. If they can't think of any reason, they will shoot you first and say "sorry we thought you were muslim".. in reality what they want to say is "you are brown and living a better life than me having come to this country after me and so I hate you".

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Mar 2017 05:31

Lalmohan wrote:there has been a steady stream of invective directed towards hispanics and muslims - with a lack of specificity on what that term means. the direct appeal to the nationalist sentiment, the appeal for america first, the tacit support of the KKK and the alt-right. all of these factors lead to a general antipathy towards the other - in this case anyone who is not white, or not white enough. the anti-jewish thing comes by default as a pet hate of the far right. just like there are good jehadis and bad jehadis, they have been playing a game of good nationalists and bad nationalists...
but its ok, amreekan desis are the chosen few (more than the yahudis) and exempt from such base behaviours
its all just a misunderstanding and will blow over soon

In a big telecom company in East Bay Area, the IT director was looking at the HDMI ports on the wall mounted TV as he now has to purchase monitor screens for the quarterly laptop buys. Some guy walked in and said "Don't try to steal the TV as the security will catch you!"

The IT Director is Hispanic and was shocked beyond wits and narrated the incident to SHQ who is an employee of the laptop company. He didn't want to complain or make noise.
SHQ told him its wrong on many counts as others will get subjected to invective, even if a janitor is allowed in the building it is because he has legitimate reason for being there and no one can stereotype. And above all everyone is diminished by such invective harassment. He should complain.
Lets see where it goes.

krishna_krishna · Post by **krishna_krishna** » 02 Mar 2017 08:03

Ramana, I see similar pattern too few weeks ago while planning for big move on expansion of IT folks there were two option either do it in North or do it in South since we have facilities closer to the boundary in each of the locations. Gora sahibs were very happy on proposal to go to North, South however was no kosher even muted curses when it was pointed about nice weather. They politely dismissed suggestion on safety concerns.

I must thank you for some insightful posts on yahudees, I can say I agree with all since I have been to their land on work and what I can add is even though people would like to add Juedo to their roots in massa lands , people back there no way trust Christians, they would trust Hindus more( comparatively, I am not going into what extent)? They would sell custodians of holy Land, holy mother lineage etc to survive and get more baksheesh to develop their land on donations but " buziness is buziness" and their religion comes foremost.

krishna_krishna · Post by **krishna_krishna** » 02 Mar 2017 08:10

Suraj wrote:Breaking news on WSJ: President Trump proposes cutting State Department budget by 37% to help pay for increased defense budget.

I hope paco would be well fed .