Telugu States' News and Discussion

OmkarC · Post by **OmkarC** » 25 Mar 2017 23:40

^^ I dont know whether you are from AP or TG - but to be fair to KiranA - both BJP & Cong led Andhra ppl to believe that they would be compensated adequately via special status.

My parents informed me that some rumours are going around asking Andhra people to vacate TG completely, especially old people with children abroad. Why is it OK for them to ethnically cleanse Andhra people ? Or spread these constant rumours of doing that ? If TG people want Andhras to leave, perhaps its time for TG people to get out of rest of India and stay cooped up in TG.

What hurts Andhra ppl is the unfairness of the whole saga.. how the Paki-fied Telanganites got away w/ vitriol and filthy behavior that would put them just a rung below Pakis or Kashmiris. Andhras were treated even worse than how Shiv Sena treated North Indians.
- Using the word "settlers" to describe Andhra people who were living and working in Hyderabad
- Demonizing Andhras as "cunning" and "deceitful" to cover up the failure of their own political leaders to develop their constituencies
- Demolishing and beheading statues of all famous Telugu icons including religious icons like Annamayya & great Andhra/southern kings like Krishnadevaraya
- Vandalizing establishments and collecting "haftas" for allowing Andhra-owned businesses to operate
- Beating up students of Andhra origin in Universities
- Praising Nizam for "developing their state" and saying he was much better than Andhra people (Perhaps Yahya Khan's advice to Pak-army applied well to them - Kill a million and rest will eat out of our hands)
- Siding w/ Owaisi & co's revisionist version of history that it was Indian troops that committed a genocide on Muslims and not vice versa (Razaakars were apparently picknickers and probably murderous thugs like Kassim Rizvi never even existed !)
- The constant ganging up and repulsively targeting Old people, women and children for selective Urdu-filled abuses.

In general, typical Islamist/Paki behavior at full swing was actively overlooked by both Congress & BJP - both hoping to exploit this issue for political benefit. This gave an impression in the minds of Andhra ppl, that BJP which claims to protect HINDUs, actually limits the applicability of the word to NORTH INDIA alone. That Andhra people will not get justice from North Indian centric parties like BJP or Congress.

The truth is
- If Andhra people hadnt migrated to Hyderabad, Telanganites would still be speaking Urdu and have no sense of their own culture
- Andhra people were led to believe TG agitation had subsided by 70s.
- TG people did wait in 80s & 90s and didnt agitate because they benefitted immensely from Andhras migrating and developing their city.

Bottomline - BJP is better advised to fulfill the promise of Special status regardless of who reaps the political gains.. simply because its the only Dharmic path to take and the right thing to do.

vnms · Post by **vnms** » 26 Mar 2017 00:32

Omkar saar, I see a lot of rhetoric in your post. I'm sure someone will post a rebuttal. But I'm not interested in that.
What does special status entitle? Let's keep the discussion to that. Who made the most out of the partition? All I see is TDP ministers making money. If center provides more money, what will it be for? So far, what has the center given to Andhra in addition to what is normally given to states.

OmkarC · Post by **OmkarC** » 26 Mar 2017 03:03

^^ Sure, its rhetorical to even open old wounds.. those who witnessed the jealousy-driven one-sided hate & vitriol know how unjust the entire episode was.

kiranA · Post by **kiranA** » 26 Mar 2017 03:51

OmkarC wrote:^^ I dont know whether you are from AP or TG - but to be fair to KiranA - both BJP & Cong led Andhra ppl to believe that they would be compensated adequately via special status.

My parents informed me that some rumours are going around asking Andhra people to vacate TG completely, especially old people with children abroad. Why is it OK for them to ethnically cleanse Andhra people ? Or spread these constant rumours of doing that ? If TG people want Andhras to leave, perhaps its time for TG people to get out of rest of India and stay cooped up in TG.

What hurts Andhra ppl is the unfairness of the whole saga.. how the Paki-fied Telanganites got away w/ vitriol and filthy behavior that would put them just a rung below Pakis or Kashmiris. Andhras were treated even worse than how Shiv Sena treated North Indians.
- Using the word "settlers" to describe Andhra people who were living and working in Hyderabad
- Demonizing Andhras as "cunning" and "deceitful" to cover up the failure of their own political leaders to develop their constituencies
- Demolishing and beheading statues of all famous Telugu icons including religious icons like Annamayya & great Andhra/southern kings like Krishnadevaraya
- Vandalizing establishments and collecting "haftas" for allowing Andhra-owned businesses to operate
- Beating up students of Andhra origin in Universities
- Praising Nizam for "developing their state" and saying he was much better than Andhra people (Perhaps Yahya Khan's advice to Pak-army applied well to them - Kill a million and rest will eat out of our hands)
- Siding w/ Owaisi & co's revisionist version of history that it was Indian troops that committed a genocide on Muslims and not vice versa (Razaakars were apparently picknickers and probably murderous thugs like Kassim Rizvi never even existed !)
- The constant ganging up and repulsively targeting Old people, women and children for selective Urdu-filled abuses.

In general, typical Islamist/Paki behavior at full swing was actively overlooked by both Congress & BJP - both hoping to exploit this issue for political benefit. This gave an impression in the minds of Andhra ppl, that BJP which claims to protect HINDUs, actually limits the applicability of the word to NORTH INDIA alone. That Andhra people will not get justice from North Indian centric parties like BJP or Congress.

The truth is
- If Andhra people hadnt migrated to Hyderabad, Telanganites would still be speaking Urdu and have no sense of their own culture
- Andhra people were led to believe TG agitation had subsided by 70s.
- TG people did wait in 80s & 90s and didnt agitate because they benefitted immensely from Andhras migrating and developing their city.

Bottomline - BJP is better advised to fulfill the promise of Special status regardless of who reaps the political gains.. simply because its the only Dharmic path to take and the right thing to do.

Very well written.. I too was a huge BJP fan until this telangana nonsense revealed them to be quiet something else. Most of those pakified agitationists were ex-bjp who jumped to TRS and started praising nizam right away. Congress was playing a political game and Bjp played both politics and provided muscle on street. The only solace is both were humiliated electorally in telangana itself.

kiranA · Post by **kiranA** » 26 Mar 2017 03:53

vnms wrote:Omkar saar, I see a lot of rhetoric in your post. I'm sure someone will post a rebuttal. But I'm not interested in that.
What does special status entitle? Let's keep the discussion to that. Who made the most out of the partition? All I see is TDP ministers making money. If center provides more money, what will it be for? So far, what has the center given to Andhra in addition to what is normally given to states.

It appears to me your only agenda is bash TDP. You wont go far with it.

vnms · Post by **vnms** » 26 Mar 2017 05:16

You are wrong here. In every post, I've been asking about the special status. I'm equal opportunity offender when it comes to bashing politicians. Let's just agree to disagree on my motives here.

All I see from you guys is rhona dhona of separation. It's done and done. Move on.

If you cannot specify the details of special status, then I have to assume that that is just an excuse to justify the performance or lack there of of the current govt. if that is the case then CBN is opening the door for YSJ. Who, in their right mind, would want that?

kiranA · Post by **kiranA** » 26 Mar 2017 05:33

vnms wrote:You are wrong here. In every post, I've been asking about the special status. I'm equal opportunity offender when it comes to bashing politicians. Let's just agree to disagree on my motives here.

All I see from you guys is rhona dhona of separation. It's done and done. Move on.

If you cannot specify the details of special status, then I have to assume that that is just an excuse to justify the performance or lack there of of the current govt. if that is the case then CBN is opening the door for YSJ. Who, in their right mind, would want that?

You move on. I or onkar will post what we think is relevant. Not dance to your tunes. BTW it is not done and done --it will persist for generations. You got what you want so others need to shut up ? what wickedness.

vnms · Post by **vnms** » 26 Mar 2017 06:50

How exactly did you come to the conclusion that I got what I wanted? And you don't have to get defensive about everything.

And all this time I genuinely believed that special status was really a solution. Now, I get know better. Thank you very much.

And I'll take your advice and move on

kiranA · Post by **kiranA** » 26 Mar 2017 07:26

vnms wrote:How exactly did you come to the conclusion that I got what I wanted? And you don't have to get defensive about everything.

And all this time I genuinely believed that special status was really a solution. Now, I get know better. Thank you very much.

And I'll take your advice and move on

Its obvious you came with an agenda - all ap politicians are bad, TDP ministers are corrupt. They may be but that is not the response to center betrayal on special status. You wanted to set your own narrative and your dismissive attitude to ap division and onkar post (shown by your words "rona dhona" )reveals no intent to understand the sense of betrayal in Andhra. Yes its best you move on and thanks for accepting the advise.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 26 Mar 2017 23:28

Special category status: The new buzz word in Andhra Pradesh
Deepalakshmi K.

MARCH 25, 2017

TDP MPs staging a protest demonstration demanding special status for Andhra Pradesh, outside Parliament in New Delhi. Photo: R.V. Moorthy
State-wide protests, slogan-shouting in Parliament, a Private Member Bill and intense lobbying have not resulted in a favourable decision yet.

Andhra Pradesh has been demanding a Special Category State (SCS) status from Centre ever since it was decided to carve out Telangana along with capital city Hyderabad. State-wide protests, slogan-shouting in Parliament, a Private Member Bill and intense lobbying have not resulted in a favourable decision yet.

Special Category State status

Before getting into the issue, let us look into what the SCS means. Fifth Finance Commission introduced SCS in 1969 giving Jammu and Kashmir, Assam, and Nagaland additional Central assistance and tax concessions. The National Development Council (NDC) laid five guidelines to grant the status — hilly and difficult terrain; low population density or sizable share of tribal population; strategic location along borders with neighbouring countries; economic and infrastructural backwardness; and non-viable nature of State finances. Eventually eight more States were added to the list — Arunachal Pradesh, Himachal Pradesh, Manipur, Meghalaya, Mizoram, Sikkim, Tripura and Uttarakhand.

The SCS are allotted 30 per cent of Normal Central Assistance and the remaining 70 per cent is split among other States based on their population, per capita income and fiscal performance. The SCS enjoy concessions in excise and customs duties and income tax rates. In addition to this, the Plan panel may allot more funds to these States to carry out centrally-sponsored schemes (CCS) and special projects, if any. The SCS will have to spend 10 per cent for CCS, while the rest will be borne by Centre.

Bifurcation of Andhra Pradesh

Back to Andhra’s case, the State lost its capital to Telangana and with that it lost its considerable chunk of revenue. Prior to the bifurcation, >Hyderabad alone was generating Rs.70,548 crore as revenue.

Before the 2014 Lok Sabha elections the then Prime Minister Manmohan Singh assured that the Seemandhra (a term used to refer coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema districts) region will be granted SCS status for a five-year period.

But the assurance was only oral. The bill that eventually turned into law assured central assistance to develop a new capital for Andhra Pradesh, a separate High Court, ports and other infrastructure, and Centre would sponsor the Polavaram Irrigation Project but did not have any mention on SCS status.

The post-General Election scenario

When Dr. Singh spoke in the Rajya Sabha about SCS status to Andhra Pradesh, Union Parliamentary Affairs Minister M. Venkaiah Naidu was then in Opposition. He demanded the status to be extended to 10 years, since the Andhra Pradesh State Reorganisation Bill mandates Hyderabad to be the common capital for both States for 10 years. But general elections in 2014 changed the parliamentary equation. Those who were in Opposition are the ruling party now.

In the State, Telugu Desam Party that forged an alliance with the BJP wrest the power. It independently formed the government and continues to be in NDA. Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister N. Chandrababu Naidu had big plans for the State and expected his ally at the Centre would support him.

The NDA government moved amendments to the Act, but that was to seek approval to create separate Legislative Councils in both the States and a bill for Polavaram project. Again, there was no mention on granting special status.

Private Member Bill

At this juncture, K.V.P. Ramchandra Rao, a Rajya Sabha member representing Congress >moved a private member Bill seeking special status to Andhra Pradesh.

During a short duration discussion in Rajya Sabha, Finance Minister Arun Jaitley said that instead of allotting it a special constitutional entitlement, >the government would “handhold” Andhra Pradesh until it became economically stable.

“Forty-two per cent of the Central revenue goes to States. The rest 58% has to take care of defence, salaries, loans... We also have to support Central schemes. After that, the Central government has a deficit. This year, it is 3.9%,” Mr. Jaitley said.

The question of ‘backwardness’ of a State has always been a matter of debate. A good number of States including Bihar, Jharkhand and Odisha have been demanding the status but the successive governments have categorically rejected such claims. If one State is granted this status now, it will trigger more demands from other States. Though the TRS has not sought it now, there is a chance of it demanding an SCS status considering it is the newest State in the country.

Andhra Pradesh meets only one of the five guidelines to grant a special category. After the era of Planning Commission ended and NITI Aayog took over, there has been a drastic cut in the allocation to CCS and the difference between funds allotted to SCS and other States have been sizably reduced.

It is obvious that what now remains in the status is political mileage. If Centre allots additional funds without naming the State as a SCS, the BJP would stake claim for it. But, this may earn the wrath of neighbouring States. Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Jayalalithaa had already shot off a letter >asking Centre to “exercise greatest care” in this regard.

Though the Congress, YSRC and other Opposition parties in A.P. are accusing the TDP of going soft on the SCS demand, the latter too will claim credit if such a status is granted

also

Special Status for Andhra Pradesh Protests

Protests Demanding Special Category Status for Andhra Pradesh was inspired by the 2017 pro-jallikattu protests in the neighboring state of Tamil Nadu. A Call to unite for peaceful protests on 26 Jan at various Locations all around the state was widely circulated on social media with RK Beach (Ramakrishna Mission Beach) in Vizag taking the Center stage.

Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh spoke against the protests, and said that there was no need for it as the state can be benefitted with Special Package instead of Special Category.

DGP of Andhra Pradesh, N Sambasiva Rao told reporters that no permission was granted for protests at RK Beach on Jan 26.

Hours before the proposed protest on January 26 for demanding Special Status Category to Andhra Pradesh, AP police have clamped down on the gathering of five more persons by issuing prohibitory orders under Section 144 in Vizag, Tirupati, and other proposed protest Locations.[2]

Despite prohibitory orders scores of youth tried to reach RK beach in Vizag. Police quickly detained More than a 100 people.[3]

Jana Sena Party chief Pawan Kalyan, YSRCP Leader Jagan Mohan Reddy, and others expressed their distress on police action over a proposed peaceful protests.[4]

Forming the Govt in KAR and ensuring that help in the RS from the AIADMK govt is forthcoming are the important reasons why the center will not give the special status to AP. They will fund projects in AP but will never transfer money directly to the AP govt under CBN.

Andhra Pradesh wants Special treatment: Why, and why the Govt isn’t keen

Andhra Pradesh wants Special treatment: Why, and why the Govt isn’t keen

A week’s protest in Parliament and simmering unrest in Andhra Pradesh has fed on a sense of betrayal among a people who continue to feel aggrieved by the 2014 bifurcation of the state. The Indian Express explains the context and compulsions, facts and frustrations of the situation

Written by Sreenivas Janyala | August 8, 2016

TDP members demand for Special Status to Andhra Pradesh at Parliament House in New Delhi last week.

For all of last week, members of the YSR Congress Party have been disrupting Parliament demanding fulfilment of the promise of Special Category State status to Andhra Pradesh following the creation of Telangana — a protest that initially also saw participation from the YSRCP’s political rival, the Telugu Desam Party. A Private Member’s Bill moved by Congress Rajya Sabha member K V P Ramachandra Rao seeking Special Category status has, at the end of prolonged wrangling over its categorisation as a Money Bill (and therefore, constitutionality of its introduction in Rajya Sabha) been referred to the Lok Sabha Speaker. On Friday, former Prime Minister Manmohan Singh asked the central government to “protect the honour of the august House” by implementing the promises he had made in Rajya Sabha on February 20, 2014, including the grant of Special Category status. The same day, Congress vice-president Rahul Gandhi tweeted, “Modiji a reminder: The decision [to] grant Spl Category Status [to] Andhra was taken by the Parl[iament] of this country in 2014… Today 5 [crore people] of Andhra are watching BJP-TDP betray them”, and Andhra Chief Minister N Chandrababu Naidu posted, “In a meeting with Hon’ble PM… elaborated on the assurances that the Centre had given… PM has responded positively & assured that promises will be fulfilled.” On Saturday, Union Minister M Venkaiah Naidu, however, accused the Congress of “adopting double standards and shedding crocodile tears” “for the sake of publicity”, and demanded to know “why UPA government failed to grant special category status… when it bifurcated the united state by incorporating the same in AP Reorganisation Bill?”

What is Special Category status, and why does Andhra want one? What are the issues in the street protests that have been rocking the state for weeks now — apart from the exchanges and disruptions in Parliament?

Why does Andhra Pradesh want the status of a Special Category State?

The 2014 bifurcation has left the successor state with several disadvantages and a revenue deficit of approximately Rs 20,000 crore. 70% of the revenue of undivided AP came from Hyderabad, which is now in Telangana. October 2014’s Hudhud cyclone and drought-like conditions in some districts last year compounded problems. The successor state now wants a level playing field in the form of Special Category status, with central funding and tax concession benefits.
So what is the problem with that?

The policy of granting Special Category status has been discontinued as per the recommendations of the 14th Finance Commission, and a new funding pattern has been drawn up, which, according to Finance Minister Arun Jaitely, has given states more central funds than earlier. The Centre has told AP that the Finance Commission had suggested that with the states’ share of central taxes up from 32% to 42%, granting special status does not make sense. Over and above the 10% hike, AP will get a special grant of Rs 350 crore from the Centre per year for the development of 7 backward districts — it has already received Rs 700 crore for the last 2 financial years.

And what is Andhra arguing?

That the “unscientific and hurried” bifurcation still puts a huge financial burden on the new state, which is home to 58.32% of the population of undivided Andhra Pradesh. Also that the UPA government had promised to bridge the revenue deficit, apart from industry incentives, a special development package, assistance to develop the state capital, and Special Category status. The expectations from the Centre in the form of funding to build the capital, Amaravati, the Polavaram dam, and infrastructure projects like Metros in Vijayawada and Vizag, have not fructified. Chief Minister Naidu says AP has lost significant resource base and is at a disadvantage compared with its revenue-surplus neighbours. The Centre should help in the competition with cities like Bangalore, Chennai and Hyderabad.

So is Andhra actually being cheated?

Granting Special Category State status is not mentioned in the AP Reorganisation Act, 2014, and therefore, it is not mandatory for the Centre to grant that status to AP. However, when the AP Reorganisation Bill, 2014, was tabled in Parliament for discussion, Manmohan Singh gave an assurance to MPs and people of AP that the successor state of AP would be granted Special Category status.

Things changed with the Congress losing power. The NDA government has cold-shouldered requests of Andhra MPs for Special Category status, and told CM Naidu that the provision to grant SCS status no longer exists. This, despite the TDP and BJP being partners in government.

Is this only about finances, then?

In AP, Special Category State status is more a matter of prestige, pride, and assuaging hurt feelings. There’s also politics — in raising the issue in Parliament, the Congress, which was decimated in the 2014 elections, and the YSR Congress, which is being driven to the wall by the TDP, see an opportunity to present themselves as fighting for the people of Andhra.

K V P Ramachandra Rao, the Congress MP who moved the Private Member’s Bill seeking Special Status and a special package, was a loyalist of, and adviser to, the late Y S Rajasekhara Reddy. He belongs to Andhra Pradesh, but was allotted to Telangana after the bifurcation by a draw of lots. The TDP had quietly agreed to support the Congress in case Rao’s Bill was taken up for discussion. The YSRCP, CPI(M) and SP too had supported the Bill.

Okay, but in the end, what special benefits does a Special Category State ultimately get?

In 1969, the Fifth Finance Commission proposed Special Category States based on recommendations made by the National Development Council. The idea was to give preferential treatment to certain states that were deemed disadvantaged, by allocating more central funds and tax concessions. The criteria for granting special status were 1) a lot of hilly terrain 2) economic and social backwardness and lack of infrastructure 3) a large tribal population 4) international borders 5) non-viable nature of finances.

Assam, Nagaland, and J&K were the first to get Special Category State status; subsequently Arunachal, Manipur, Meghalaya, Mizoram, Sikkim, Tripura, Himachal, and Uttarakhand got it too.

SCS states would get 30% of the normal central assistance; with the remaining 70% being split among other states based on their population, per capita income, and fiscal performance. Special Category states would also get concessions in income-tax rates, excise and Customs duties. Additional funds for centrally-sponsored schemes and special projects could also be granted, with the Centre bearing 90% of the cost. External aid was also devolved in the same ratio as received by the Centre. For general category states, the grant to loan ratio was 30:70. But all of this has now changed

kiranA · Post by **kiranA** » 27 Mar 2017 04:33

jaitley's sermons about finance situation of centre really shows Indian government is not a serious entity when it comes to Andhra (or perhaps generally not a serious entity at all). When a PM says something on floor of parliament on such a distressing scenario it is supposed to mean something. NTR famously said "kendhram oka midhya".

AP was one of the most succesful states in India and had huge contribution to every facet of modern India - disproportionately higher. It was the first state to host biggies such as microsoft, google with no real help form centre. Its industries incubated in AP which launched modern aviation in India (GMR airports in hyd and delhi and telugu origin gvk airports in bangalore, mumbai). About 50% of pharma manufacturing used to happen in Hyderabd. At one point (maybe even now) 7 out of 10 top infra private companies were based out from AP. Front politics started in India with NTR forming National Front and continue even now.

And what did it get from delhi ? a ruthless division despite the state legislature pleading not to do it ..an incessant slander of the state in the name of telangana movement which was actively and tacitly encouraged by players in delhi. And now a shameless turnabout on promises made to beleagured state.

vnms · Post by **vnms** » 27 Mar 2017 10:26

Chetak Saar,

This the info I was seeking. Thanks.

Is the Polavaram project fully being funded by the central government?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Mar 2017 11:31

kiranA wrote:jaitley's sermons about finance situation of centre really shows Indian government is not a serious entity when it comes to Andhra (or perhaps generally not a serious entity at all). When a PM says something on floor of parliament on such a distressing scenario it is supposed to mean something. NTR famously said "kendhram oka midhya".

AP was one of the most succesful states in India and had huge contribution to every facet of modern India - disproportionately higher. It was the first state to host biggies such as microsoft, google with no real help form centre. Its industries incubated in AP which launched modern aviation in India (GMR airports in hyd and delhi and telugu origin gvk airports in bangalore, mumbai). About 50% of pharma manufacturing used to happen in Hyderabd. At one point (maybe even now) 7 out of 10 top infra private companies were based out from AP. Front politics started in India with NTR forming National Front and continue even now.

And what did it get from delhi ? a ruthless division despite the state legislature pleading not to do it ..an incessant slander of the state in the name of telangana movement which was actively and tacitly encouraged by players in delhi. And now a shameless turnabout on promises made to beleagured state.

The division of AP was done by the EJs for well known and devious motives. The foolish BJP in the name of a few "interested" and 'invested" members dabbled in muddy waters when the situation became a virtual fait accompli. The EJs led by eyetalian entities, directed and guided by extraterritorial forces savagely pushed through the division even against the wishes of the state.

The division was earlier actively midwifed by YSR and his foreign funded EJ gang, hoping for the rise of their own EJ kingdom with all the help from the mafia queen, before fate fortuitously intervened. Then that creep, Jagan arrogantly strutted around like the pre ordained heir and crown prince, pretending that he was wilfully denied his legitimate coronation before he was jailed for fear of giving away the game. So much has been brushed under the carpet and the BJP is being blamed in a classic switch and bait.

It would be very very interesting to know why N Kiran Kumar Reddy actually opposed the division.

When the state was in the grip of the EJs, no one said anything. Even the sacred Tirupati was targeted and repeated attempts to undermine the Hindu bodies was not only accepted but also actively encouraged.

When the congis well knew that they were not coming back, they maliciously scorched the earth, even as they beat a tactical retreat, hoping to regroup and make a bid for power once again.

The goat may no more be willing to sharpen the knife so that the butcher's job is made easier.

KCR rogered the congis as did CBN and each had his own motives. The same EJs have now spread their wings to Punjab, Goa, KAR, TN and Pondicherry.

GMR/GVK are among the most rapacious companies in India. Profit alone does not define a company. In KAR they have shut down a fully working airport in the heart of Bangalore city and put a condition that no other airport can come up within a radius of 150 kms of their airport. A defence PSU has lost thousands of crores in revenue.

No other airport in India has a toll road connecting it to the city. Tolls, Airport parking and taxi rackets are a source of income for all, including the congis. Guess who built the toll roads?? and who operates them?? And the poor bangalorean gets buggered by such exemplary companies.

In an infrastructure poor country, such things should not be allowed. The PSU losing thousands of crores in revenue means that the Indian public has to bear this loss while profits are made by a private entity which has been given an unfair advantage by subverting the system.

Who got paid how much can be the subject of another debate and there are far more wiser and clued up folks on the forum than me who can elucidate with clarity the details of such subversions.

Tell me, are we short of KAR companies to loot the people of KAR?? or do we need imports from neighboring states to do it??

The political shenanigans and financial antics of GMR, GVK, Lanco and IVRCL, to name but a few, are too well known to bear repetition. Many Pharma companies which rose by bribery are now getting buggered by the US FDA.

It would be rather naive to believe that the rise of such companies is because of their legendary management wizardry and not by more mundane financial legerdemain. Some of their rumored benami shareholders should give a clue to their success mantras.

Even the dirty secrets of the earlier much revered Tata group is just now beginning to surface, what to talk of other industrial houses??

rotten tata as @swamy39 says.

VenkataS · Post by **VenkataS** » 28 Mar 2017 03:29

chetak wrote: GMR/GVK are among the most rapacious companies in India. Profit alone does not define a company. In KAR they have shut down a fully working airport in the heart of Bangalore city and put a condition that no other airport can come up within a radius of 150 kms of their airport. A defence PSU has lost thousands of crores in revenue.

This was done in Hyderabad as well. I have not done research on this issue but I am positive that shutting down the old airport and constructing a new green field airport was probably a part of the tender from the Govt and not something that GVK did after the fact. Why blame GVK for that?

chetak wrote: Tell me, are we short of KAR companies to loot the people of KAR?? or do we need imports from neighboring states to do it??

Why the distinction between a KAR company and an AP company about doing business in India. Aren't we all in India after all?

AP was robbed of its major revenue generator when Hyd was snatched away from it despite the pleas of the majority of the general population to not do it. It is expected that they will seek some financial assitance to be up and running after the division that they did not want. Why are you so much against it?

vnms · Post by **vnms** » 28 Mar 2017 08:11

Since the scs is no longer a viable proposition (not just for AP but also the other 11 states) as the center has increased the payout to 42%, doesn't it make sense to get more grants in an alternate way without calling it scs?

BJP cannot/will not give scs status because they see it as a slippery slope. Now, if CBN can work with the center to come up with a way to address the 16.000 crore deficit without calling it scs, would that help?

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 28 Mar 2017 09:12

First is the perception. There is a perception of backstabbing by BJP and NM personally. That can not be wished away. Over a decade AP people were called all kinds of names just like Jews in Nazi Germany and BJP actively participated in that. Sushma is a Chinnamma of TS whereas SG is peddamma of TS. This involvement of BJP in anti-AP people movement can not be forgotten quickly. NM promised to take care of AP, and now nothing is being done to revive the confidence people have in him. It is quite possible Venkayya is not interested in keeping BJP in a strong footing in AP and not doing anything to get some seriously good deal to AP.

BJP can not win seats in 2019 in AP, and I foresee even CBN backstabbing BJP as it will become a liability to him in the elections. BJP has nothing to gain in TN and KA does not have any big manufacturing base that will negatively effect that state if the Special status is given to AP. Bjp care of AIDMK feelings than AP gains which is politically stupid. With the status given Congress and its B teams will have no footing in AP, and that is a major achievement for Congress Mukth Bharat. Historically without winning AP Congress never strong. In TS BJP can not gain much for the next decade, and even otherwise TS can not complain if the special status is given to AP.

By the way, what happened to the BJP principle of obtaining Assembly resolution before the division when it came to AP?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 28 Mar 2017 11:14

VenkataS wrote:
chetak wrote: GMR/GVK are among the most rapacious companies in India. Profit alone does not define a company. In KAR they have shut down a fully working airport in the heart of Bangalore city and put a condition that no other airport can come up within a radius of 150 kms of their airport. A defence PSU has lost thousands of crores in revenue.
This was done in Hyderabad as well. I have not done research on this issue but I am positive that shutting down the old airport and constructing a new green field airport was probably a part of the tender from the Govt and not something that GVK did after the fact. Why blame GVK for that?

chetak wrote: Tell me, are we short of KAR companies to loot the people of KAR?? or do we need imports from neighboring states to do it??
Why the distinction between a KAR company and an AP company about doing business in India. Aren't we all in India after all?

AP was robbed of its major revenue generator when Hyd was snatched away from it despite the pleas of the majority of the general population to not do it. It is expected that they will seek some financial assitance to be up and running after the division that they did not want. Why are you so much against it?

Can any govt give a tender saying that we will build a new road to ease traffic congestion but we will first shut down the perfectly working, useable and heavily used old road?? This is a load of BS, short sighted and suicidal in economic terms.

Are such terms incorporated in any other contracts in any other state?? Except in KAR and AP where such wonderful and "financially" innovative companies are involved??

When london and paris, to name but two cities, can have multiple airports, why not Bangalore and Hyderabad??

Both dilli and Bombay are actively thinking of building new second airports. Are they thinking of shutting down the perfectly working "old" ones??

The BJP had nothing much to do with the division of AP. They were small fry at the time. Theirs was more the sin of omission and not of commission.

They were all part of the lootyens biradari, just like the commies, congis, naxals, "civil society" and the NGO cabal. The BJP did not benefit even an iota from the division, instead, it was left holding a loudly squealing new born baby, which everyone is now saying that it was the father of. Only the minorities, EJs, commies, naxals and other scum benefitted.

On a lighter note, if I am to be looted in bangalore, I'd rather that it be a local firm than an out of state import. Of course, it would be best is not to be looted at all.

Once the law changed, the special category commitments went out the window. There are any number of states, just licking their chops and eagerly waiting to board the gravy train.

The center simply has no money left, after the new finance bill. If the fiscal deficit increases, there will be very bad international consequences.

The BJP will not make any headway in TS and AP for the next ten years, at least. Nothing to gain but everything to lose when many many other states get really pissed off with any special status dramatics.

Best for the BJP to bite the bullet and not make this a nationally turbulent electoral issue by favoring any one state.

OmkarC · Post by **OmkarC** » 28 Mar 2017 11:25

Yes, there has been a betrayal - but when we take a hawk's eye look from 30K feet: deep penetration of Hindutva and destruction of parochial caste & regionalist identities will resolve issues like AP-TG. What's preventing Hindutva from permeating deep within ? People became far too materialist and left the "intellectual" space to a**holes like Kancha Illiah and his disciples like these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6mvaSJ0DZk

TKiran · Post by **TKiran** » 28 Mar 2017 18:40

I think it's time to replace Sushma Swaraj in MEA with a Telugu. She is just time passing, in social media. There's great deal at stakes to integrate Andhra's economy with massa economy., She's hurting andhra (both in present and in past (she was the reason for bifurcation of Andhra))

Andhra Pradesh is the first state to train engineers for US economy. There are hundreds of thousands of them now, we need to dump them in the land of honey and milk. That should be the agenda for the external affairs minister, everything else should be "policy". We need a person of the calibre of PVNR.

When you put the people in water they will swim.

kiranA · Post by **kiranA** » 29 Mar 2017 06:04

chetak wrote:
The division of AP was done by the EJs for well known and devious motives. The foolish BJP in the name of a few "interested" and 'invested" members dabbled in muddy waters when the situation became a virtual fait accompli. The EJs led by eyetalian entities, directed and guided by extraterritorial forces savagely pushed through the division even against the wishes of the state.

The division was earlier actively midwifed by YSR and his foreign funded EJ gang, hoping for the rise of their own EJ kingdom with all the help from the mafia queen, before fate fortuitously intervened. Then that creep, Jagan arrogantly strutted around like the pre ordained heir and crown prince, pretending that he was wilfully denied his legitimate coronation before he was jailed for fear of giving away the game. So much has been brushed under the carpet and the BJP is being blamed in a classic switch and bait.

It would be very very interesting to know why N Kiran Kumar Reddy actually opposed the division.

When the state was in the grip of the EJs, no one said anything. Even the sacred Tirupati was targeted and repeated attempts to undermine the Hindu bodies was not only accepted but also actively encouraged.

When the congis well knew that they were not coming back, they maliciously scorched the earth, even as they beat a tactical retreat, hoping to regroup and make a bid for power once again.

The goat may no more be willing to sharpen the knife so that the butcher's job is made easier.

KCR rogered the congis as did CBN and each had his own motives. The same EJs have now spread their wings to Punjab, Goa, KAR, TN and Pondicherry.

GMR/GVK are among the most rapacious companies in India. Profit alone does not define a company. In KAR they have shut down a fully working airport in the heart of Bangalore city and put a condition that no other airport can come up within a radius of 150 kms of their airport. A defence PSU has lost thousands of crores in revenue.

No other airport in India has a toll road connecting it to the city. Tolls, Airport parking and taxi rackets are a source of income for all, including the congis. Guess who built the toll roads?? and who operates them?? And the poor bangalorean gets buggered by such exemplary companies.

In an infrastructure poor country, such things should not be allowed. The PSU losing thousands of crores in revenue means that the Indian public has to bear this loss while profits are made by a private entity which has been given an unfair advantage by subverting the system.

Who got paid how much can be the subject of another debate and there are far more wiser and clued up folks on the forum than me who can elucidate with clarity the details of such subversions.

Tell me, are we short of KAR companies to loot the people of KAR?? or do we need imports from neighboring states to do it??

The political shenanigans and financial antics of GMR, GVK, Lanco and IVRCL, to name but a few, are too well known to bear repetition. Many Pharma companies which rose by bribery are now getting buggered by the US FDA.

It would be rather naive to believe that the rise of such companies is because of their legendary management wizardry and not by more mundane financial legerdemain. Some of their rumored benami shareholders should give a clue to their success mantras.

Even the dirty secrets of the earlier much revered Tata group is just now beginning to surface, what to talk of other industrial houses??

rotten tata as @swamy39 says.

I really dont understand your problem. This "KAR companies to loot the people of KAR?? or do we need imports from neighboring states to do it" gives a clue to your parochial thinking. you are selling me a theory instead of speaking of facts.
EJ split AP ? seriously ? division of AP is not an arranged "miracle" near beachside. Its a political act and both BJP and congress were fully involved.
Also you need to upgrade your knowledge ogf business. GMR, GVK and lanco are all in losses due to interest payments. The value they bought to the country is that they deliverred world class infra projects within budget and time. No world class infra company really want to take such responsibility in India.India is not an easy place to do business.

kiranA · Post by **kiranA** » 29 Mar 2017 06:12

OmkarC wrote:Yes, there has been a betrayal - but when we take a hawk's eye look from 30K feet: deep penetration of Hindutva and destruction of parochial caste & regionalist identities will resolve issues like AP-TG. What's preventing Hindutva from permeating deep within ? People became far too materialist and left the "intellectual" space to a**holes like Kancha Illiah and his disciples like these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6mvaSJ0DZk

What intellctual space is required for BJP not to actively participate in hate fest ? are you telling me they dont know what they are doing ? they did it nevertheless. Hindutva as in Hinduism is very much in Andhra - its a very religious state. Its film industry contribution to hindu mythology etc is enormous. in fact the best of hinduism is reflected there. The best temple is managed their with superb administration without BJP/VHP etc.

But the hindutva as politics as represented by BJP utterly not only failed the state but did not hestitate to stab it and leave it to bleed and now is in no position to preach.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 29 Mar 2017 07:21

The main reason for not having bigger BJP in AP is the failure of the BJP leaders of the State who just sit in Delhi and do nothing for the state. Vinkayya is Kamma fanatic and supports TDP at the cost of his party and refuses to do anything to grow his party which at some point in time comes at the cost of TDP. People like Nirmala Sitataraman who could have been a great asset for the party and whose husband holds a senior administrative position in AP has no interest in the AP politics. If good BJP people like her has no interest in state level politics how can BJP grow? Party is left to the mercy of people like Venkayya who talked about Special status and then did nothing after the division. Does anyone blame AP people when they feel backstabbed now? Tall talk of policy etc. does not mean anything for mango people. The deliberate lies do when there is already a serious sense of betrayal by the INC and BJP to start with. The BJP minister endowments has serious looter image. Does nothing even when there is serious EJ expansion activities. One wonders how he was selected by the party for this? To supply to Venkayya?

The worst thing is BJP lost a serious chance of becoming a serious player in AP by standing by AP now. This set the party back a decade or so, and no local leader trust Delhi BJP people anymore.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 29 Mar 2017 09:34

Yagnasri wrote:The main reason for not having bigger BJP in AP is the failure of the BJP leaders of the State who just sit in Delhi and do nothing for the state. Vinkayya is Kamma fanatic and supports TDP at the cost of his party and refuses to do anything to grow his party which at some point in time comes at the cost of TDP. People like Nirmala Sitataraman who could have been a great asset for the party and whose husband holds a senior administrative position in AP has no interest in the AP politics. If good BJP people like her has no interest in state level politics how can BJP grow? Party is left to the mercy of people like Venkayya who talked about Special status and then did nothing after the division. Does anyone blame AP people when they feel backstabbed now? Tall talk of policy etc. does not mean anything for mango people. The deliberate lies do when there is already a serious sense of betrayal by the INC and BJP to start with. The BJP minister endowments has serious looter image. Does nothing even when there is serious EJ expansion activities. One wonders how he was selected by the party for this? To supply to Venkayya?

The worst thing is BJP lost a serious chance of becoming a serious player in AP by standing by AP now. This set the party back a decade or so, and no local leader trust Delhi BJP people anymore.

That is why I said, the BJP should simply let it go.

The damage has been done and the "perception", right or wrong, will not be easily reversed.

The BJP should lie low and keep quiet.

Everytime it opens it's hole, it reinforces the same perception.

This govt will go by the rule of law as it sees it. in this case, the finance bill. Modi is not going to budge on the special status issue.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 29 Mar 2017 09:38

BJP has impressive bench of leaders in AP. Apart from Yagnasri garu mentioning, I will name D Purandeswari (NTR's daughter). I think for some reason, HQ might have ordered them to stay inactive and shut their mouths. Till the bonhomie between CBN-VN and/or CBN-NaMo/Shah is disrupted, BJP leaders will remain in hibernation mode.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 29 Mar 2017 09:55

NM still has a lot of good will in AP. There is a lot of pro-BJP voters still there who normally vote of TDP as they do not like to vote for Congress.All he has to do is to bypass CBN and other pro-Kamma gangs of BJP and AS need to spend time personally on AP and all south states. Present overseeing from Delhi is S&&t to say the least. With that BJP can become a dominant force in AP or at least a strong force by 2019.

Purandhareswari is another Kamma gang lady who was "very close" to MQ for many years. Do we trust her? Kamma and Reddy business interests and now Kapu caste gang with Pavan Kalyan doing a Praja Rajyam 2.0 drama is not going help indic interests in the long run. We may even end up creating another Nitish Kumar in the south. What we need is someone from the party to come up. Unless they are allowed to charter their own course without Venkayya and others from Delhi controlling everything it is not going to happen.

BJP shall also take a hardline stand against their Delhi leadership on the special status issue. It can not keep quite because such silence will not be acceptable for people and others will grow from such agitations. Stop trains and roads for a week or so and do such rubbish things. It is an unfortunate reality of our nation that leaders will get noticed from such agitations only.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 29 Mar 2017 10:33

It's the basic principle of politics that you cannot bypass hierarchy and still be effective without dirtying ones hands and feet. It's in exceptional circumstances that parashurama wiped out 21...

There's always resistance to brahmanas playing politics in bharatha varsha. The American anthropologist Milton Singer noted a paradoxical fact. Whenever brahmanas have secularised they have faced opposition. There must be compelling reasons for brahmanas to enter politics.

Who will provide leadership if reddy, kammas and kapus are 'excluded'

OmkarC · Post by **OmkarC** » 29 Mar 2017 11:35

kiranA wrote:
OmkarC wrote:Yes, there has been a betrayal - but when we take a hawk's eye look from 30K feet: deep penetration of Hindutva and destruction of parochial caste & regionalist identities will resolve issues like AP-TG. What's preventing Hindutva from permeating deep within ? People became far too materialist and left the "intellectual" space to a**holes like Kancha Illiah and his disciples like these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6mvaSJ0DZk
What intellctual space is required for BJP not to actively participate in hate fest ? are you telling me they dont know what they are doing ? they did it nevertheless. Hindutva as in Hinduism is very much in Andhra - its a very religious state. Its film industry contribution to hindu mythology etc is enormous. in fact the best of hinduism is reflected there. The best temple is managed their with superb administration without BJP/VHP etc.

But the hindutva as politics as represented by BJP utterly not only failed the state but did not hestitate to stab it and leave it to bleed and now is in no position to preach.

Well, the failure is once again not of Hindutva, but of BJP leadership. Hindutva didn't get a chance in modern times, given Andhra was a leftist den for a long time.

BTW, Hindutva is the political arm of Hindu Dharma and Andhra people are no strangers to it that it needs to be introduced as an alien concept to them from up north.

Just read your own history - a) 1st century AD - its Andhra Gautamiputra Satakarni rallying his Hindu subjects to battle Mleccha Yavanas
b) 7th - 10th century AD - Andhra and Kannada Veera Shaivas vowing to wipe out Jainism from Dakshinapatha, infiltrate every branch of government, bureaucracy and education system - silently kill off Jainism by winning over Kings and people
c) 13th century - Andhra Nayaaks rallying around Musunuri Brothers to kick out Turko-Afghan occupation forces from Warangal under a Pan-Hindu umbrella
d) 15th century - Harihara and Bukka Raya under the tutelage of Sage Vidyaranya raise the banner of Varaha (to seal permanent enmity w/ Muslims defiantly) and established Vijayanagara.

If anything current Andhra generation is so Blasé because its ancestors were rabidly pro-Hindutva and ensured that the regions they inhabit are bereft of major Islamo-fascist forces.

BTW, just because BJP has failed AP doesnt mean one can turn back on Hindutva in present generation - given the immediate threat to their culture from EJs. Hindu unity is necessary to get rid of petty casteist one-upmanship complex.

But, agree that BJP needs to do more for AP and bring clarity on special status.

OmkarC · Post by **OmkarC** » 29 Mar 2017 12:02

In other states, BJP has to fight anti-Hindu forces.States like Karnataka & Kerala, many states up north, battle is just too obvious. Hindus vs non.

In AP, the enemy itself is casteism & caste-chauvinism among all forward castes. Backward castes are too fragmented to provide leadership unlike in KA or TN.

I believe Amit Shah admits to himself that he does not understand AP as well as TN and prefers to deal w/ them after studying them post 2019. I also think he understands Telangana a bit better than AP.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Mar 2017 20:53

kmkraoind wrote:BJP has impressive bench of leaders in AP. Apart from Yagnasri garu mentioning, I will name D Purandeswari (NTR's daughter). I think for some reason, HQ might have ordered them to stay inactive and shut their mouths. Till the bonhomie between CBN-VN and/or CBN-NaMo/Shah is disrupted, BJP leaders will remain in hibernation mode.

I see a method in BJP strategy.
- During last Rajya Sabha elections they got all the BJP leaders from AP to contest outside AP. This reduces the dependence of these leaders on AP politicians for their electability. E.g. MVN is from Rajasthan, NS is from Karnataka.

I expected once this is done alternate state BJP leaders would be allowed to emerge based on service, demographics etc. However this did not happen which tells me the existing coterie was successful in stymieing this emergence.

I think MVN parlayed his supposed effectiveness in TN to prevent this emergence.

Subsequent events in TN of Sasikala gang emerging with CM position have shown MVN in bad light.

Lets see what happens now.

From my reports MVN has a big gang under his control using money, 2Ws.
Getting rid of him unleashes the gang.

So control is one objective.

kiranA · Post by **kiranA** » 01 Apr 2017 05:17

OmkarC wrote:In other states, BJP has to fight anti-Hindu forces.States like Karnataka & Kerala, many states up north, battle is just too obvious. Hindus vs non.

In AP, the enemy itself is casteism & caste-chauvinism among all forward castes. Backward castes are too fragmented to provide leadership unlike in KA or TN.

I believe Amit Shah admits to himself that he does not understand AP as well as TN and prefers to deal w/ them after studying them post 2019. I also think he understands Telangana a bit better than AP.

I dont think any state had leaders with profiles such as NTR or CBN (after 80s there were people like anna durai before) - they are legends in their own right. Their fame far exceeding the borders of the state and even Indira couldnt fill it at the time of NTR and Vajpayee during CBN - what chance does Modi have ?

Also there isnt really that much of caste fanaticism at top politic or industrial circles in AP. from what I have seen caste fanaticism is strongest among many student and many employees - I really dont know why - I think they have too much time on their hands.

kiranA · Post by **kiranA** » 01 Apr 2017 05:30

Yagnasri wrote:NM still has a lot of good will in AP. There is a lot of pro-BJP voters still there who normally vote of TDP as they do not like to vote for Congress.All he has to do is to bypass CBN and other pro-Kamma gangs of BJP and AS need to spend time personally on AP and all south states. Present overseeing from Delhi is S&&t to say the least. With that BJP can become a dominant force in AP or at least a strong force by 2019.

Purandhareswari is another Kamma gang lady who was "very close" to MQ for many years. Do we trust her? Kamma and Reddy business interests and now Kapu caste gang with Pavan Kalyan doing a Praja Rajyam 2.0 drama is not going help indic interests in the long run. We may even end up creating another Nitish Kumar in the south. What we need is someone from the party to come up. Unless they are allowed to charter their own course without Venkayya and others from Delhi controlling everything it is not going to happen.

BJP shall also take a hardline stand against their Delhi leadership on the special status issue. It can not keep quite because such silence will not be acceptable for people and others will grow from such agitations. Stop trains and roads for a week or so and do such rubbish things. It is an unfortunate reality of our nation that leaders will get noticed from such agitations only.

The bitterness and venom you bring out when saying "kamma" or "kapu" or "reddy" makes it seem they are some pakistan based militant groups and not fellow andhra brethren. Why so ? perhaps the hindutva you keep professing is just a cover for your own caste prejudice - maybe ?

Venkayaa is not some "kamma fanatic" but a very long time rss - bjp worker who contributed tremendously to the organizations. Thats why he thirved whether it is ABV or LKA or now modi. He is an excellent organization and fantastic personal relations manager.

What are indic interests you keep proferring ? developing a silicon valley in hyd singlehandedly is not enhancing indic interests ? Freeing tirupati temple from corrupt gangs of priests(and violent locals) who, when free from their internal bickering, used to rapaciously exploit devotees in tirumala is not in indic interests? Portraying hinduism in more modern galamorous and acceptable light such in mythological moves or socio-fantasy like Yamagola is not in indic intersts? NTR singlehandedly did more to hinduism than all of VHP combined.

Indic interests to you appears to be manipulating telugu castes so some other guy gets to rule over them . That will NEVER happen.

I respect your interest in andhra politics. But you need to show more solidarity with telugu people and not look at them like their are specimens to be manipulated for someone elses leadership.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 01 Apr 2017 06:17

Haha,
suarly all are legends in their own mind's and in the minds of their respective caste based fans prone to paste their respective legendary herrow bicchars on bike visors while making tall claims .

The legend called CBN oversaw the abject division of telugu jati just because his balls(aka the realestate & business assets) were in a vicegrip of maino gangs in Hyderabad.Just as the case was with the "legendary" realestate & media moneybags ruling the roost in hyderabad.Same with other legendary herrows of telugu fillum industry.

The same legendary CBN oversaw the vacuuming of state resources for the sake of his feathered nest of Hyderabad while keeping the centers in eastcoastha, rest of Telangana & seema starved of basic development setting in play the centrifugal tendencies inexorably leading up to the division .

KiranA wrote:What intellctual space is required for BJP not to actively participate in hate fest ? are you telling me they dont know what they are doing ? they did it nevertheless. Hindutva as in Hinduism is very much in Andhra - its a very religious state. Its film industry contribution to hindu mythology etc is enormous. in fact the best of hinduism is reflected there. The best temple is managed their with superb administration without BJP/VHP etc.

But the hindutva as politics as represented by BJP utterly not only failed the state but did not hestitate to stab it and leave it to bleed and now is in no position to preach.

Please dont tell us BC age stories.
The legacy now of kula gajji(caste mangy) telugu fillum industry is in peddling the supposed dichotomy of Hinduism=/=Hindutva while targeting the weaker castes & regions using the figleaf of dravidaism & antibrahmanism.
The same kula gajji telugu film industry othered the telangana folks from the telugu mainstream.So state got split - now you are doing randi rona putting the blame for state division at BJP feet . Super.

Net effect today 15% of the Andhra coast has fallen to the EJs with their ranks swelling by the day with the rabid neoconverts.Suraly a legendary acheivement by the sikular legends in charge since the last 65 years.Please stop claiming this T Subbarami reddy kind of farcial Hindu piety conducted while selling daughters to maino gangs in Hyderabad as some sort of Hindutva.Its not hinduism nor is it hindutva its just plain old gaanduness.

Below news quotes show the legends(Chirubabu,Chandrababu,balayyababu etc) in action while sitting on T-powder keg on the eve of 2009 elections.All the legends where prostrating on the feet of the EJ's ready to offer Tirupathi on a platter by repealing GO 746 & 747s.Guess the subsequent PIF action from outside the state accidenting YSR must have caused a collective lump in the throats of these legends hitherto demanding for removal of GO 746 to be in the good graces of EJs.They have been silent on these GOs since.

Balayya to launch campaign on Jan. 29

Balakrishna’s wife, TDP president N. Chandrababu Naidu, his spouse Bhuvaneswari, N. Harikrishna, MP, junior NTR and Kalyanram came in a group to the venue and attended an all-prayer meeting.

He also condemned the attack on a pastor in Karimnagar district. He alleged that Christians were being attacked in the wake of GO 746.

Naidu promises separate corporation for Andhra Christians in Bible Mission convention guntur
Christians in Andhra Pradesh were delighted after leader of opposition party, and former chief minister, Chandrababu Naidu, promised separate corporation for the betterment of the community in the state.

The corporation, Naidu said, will provide protection to all Christian properties, renovate churches and render financial help to Christians traveling to Bethlehem.

The Telugu Desam Party President, addressing the inaugural day of the three-day 70th annual Bible Mission Convention, condemned the attack on Christians and said the government would strictly act on the perpetrators of violence.

The announcement on a special board, interestingly, has also been promised by Praja Rajyam Party (PRP) President Chiranjeevi who is vying for success in the ensuing assembly elections.

Among other promises made by Mr. Naidu was the expunging of Government Orders 746 and 747 that bans propagation of any religion other than Hinduism in Tirupati and other specified temple areas.

Will set up board to protect Christian properties: Chiranjeevi at Bible mission convention
Praja Rajyam Party (PRP) President Chiranjeevi today anounced that the party would set up a special Board to safeguard the properties of Christians if it was voted to power in the ensuing assembly elections.

The Board would be formed on the lines of Endowment Boards created to protect the properties of Muslims, he said, addressing the devotees at the three-day 70th annual Bible Mission convention here.

He said the PRP would strive to thwart any attacks on Christians.

The party would also provide financial assistance to Christians who wish to visit Jerusalem in Israel.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 01 Apr 2017 06:30

By worshipping the "legendary" telugu leaders who infact regularly turned out to be gaandus i.e targeting their own dharma on the basis of kula gajji(i.e caste mangyness) resulted in the current abject situation in AP characterized by rampant EJ conversion & self dabba sikularism(i.e claims of hinduism of AP/TN better than Hindutva of them dutty naarthies).
By 2009 itself the state was so riven by caste that the divison of practically the same people in andhra & telangana with an artificial passed off without a whimper of street mobilisation in Andhra.
The gaandu's ruling the roost in the cultural centers in andhra were mute spectators when the statues of leading lights of telugu jati were dragged into hussain sagar.Not a whimper from them just b/c their feathered nests were in hyderabad.

Guess nothing else could have been expected than above from a elite characterized by this caste based gaandupa whose popular culture taken over by some castes gave out caste & religious baiting gems such as this video (NSFW)

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 01 Apr 2017 06:43

KiranA Sir, I am Telugu from AP myself and worked in the party for many years. Even now I am close to few party people there. I have seen Venkayya from close quarters. I was quite young in those days and still admire him for many of the good qualities you have mentioned. But those qualities can not save BJP or make in grow in AP. In fact, they never helped the party to grow also. I know personally how the party worked for decades in AP and how it is being run now. This is what people in the party talk about him in private. In fact, it is his involvement in AP party unit that is a serious problem.

In respect of the Reddy, Kamma or Kapu interests, I have seen how these caste groups came together with direct and indirect methods from time to time. For decades INC is basically a Reddy party, and TDP is a Kamma one. Praja Rajyam for all the talk by Chiru and his fraud gang is aimed at Kapu vote bank. Now people like Mudhragada Padmanabham is trying to become a big force aimed at the same vote bank.

While I agree with you that NTR is a great dharmic person who did a lot the fact is his party was a Kamma power group. Still, NTR is NTR, and he did a lot in administratively also and there is no question on that. NTR attempts to create a national level alternative for INC also a major factor in the joining for various forces in 1989 and the fall of INC that year.

CBN can not be compared with NTR. We all know what he did to NTR in the end also. CBN making Hyd great is also true. But at the same time, there are serious allegations of real estate benefits, etc. on him on Hyd. This is one of serious heartburn that was created in local people and TRS used that. There are similar allegations on him now in the case of Amaravathi also. While in the case of Hyd, the allegations are he tried to help people close to him, in the case of Amaravathi the allegations are that he allowed his community people to flourish and that is the sole reason for this capital drama. Entire AP and TS states are talking about these allegations now. This can not be wished away. It is also a fact that Purandhareswari was very closed to MQ for many years during UPA.

CBN always been politically short sited. He looked for short time gains in his selection of allies etc. and failed to create a major grouping of Anti INC parties in AP. This is what he did immediately after 2004 and joining TRS in 2009. His joining of TRS contributed a great deal to the division of AP. He can say anything now but he also responsible for the present state of affairs in AP.

Given any opportunity, he will ditch BJP without hesitation and is acting as secular as they come now. While he is the best of the people available to lead AP today, that is mainly because the alternatives available are criminals like Jagan or frauds like Chiranjeevi. INC is very weak and hopefull never recover in AP. Pavan Kalyan is an unknown quantity at best. He has also not shown any clear political vision till date. In 2019 winning LS seats in AP will be a tall order if the things move as they are now. One major hope is continuous fall of Jagan criminal party. So hopefully people vote of TDP for one more term. But will CBN be with NDA in that election? I am not sure. No one in BJP is sure if you ask them in private. So BJP in AP needs to make itself strong and replace INC as one of the power centres in AP. This is a golden opportunity for BJP, and there is no indication of any kind the local leadership is doing anything about it.

kiranA · Post by **kiranA** » 01 Apr 2017 07:09

Yagnasri wrote:KiranA Sir, I am Telugu from AP myself and worked in the party for many years. Even now I am close to few party people there. I have seen Venkayya from close quarters. I was quite young in those days and still admire him for many of the good qualities you have mentioned. But those qualities can not save BJP or make in grow in AP. In fact, they never helped the party to grow also. I know personally how the party worked for decades in AP and how it is being run now. This is what people in the party talk about him in private. In fact, it is his involvement in AP party unit that is a serious problem.

In respect of the Reddy, Kamma or Kapu interests, I have seen how these caste groups came together with direct and indirect methods from time to time. For decades INC is basically a Reddy party, and TDP is a Kamma one. Praja Rajyam for all the talk by Chiru and his fraud gang is aimed at Kapu vote bank. Now people like Mudhragada Padmanabham is trying to become a big force aimed at the same vote bank.

While I agree with you that NTR is a great dharmic person who did a lot the fact is his party was a Kamma power group. Still, NTR is NTR, and he did a lot in administratively also and there is no question on that. NTR attempts to create a national level alternative for INC also a major factor in the joining for various forces in 1989 and the fall of INC that year.

CBN can not be compared with NTR. We all know what he did to NTR in the end also. CBN making Hyd great is also true. But at the same time, there are serious allegations of real estate benefits, etc. on him on Hyd. This is one of serious heartburn that was created in local people and TRS used that. There are similar allegations on him now in the case of Amaravathi also. While in the case of Hyd, the allegations are he tried to help people close to him, in the case of Amaravathi the allegations are that he allowed his community people to flourish and that is the sole reason for this capital drama. Entire AP and TS states are talking about these allegations now. This can not be wished away. It is also a fact that Purandhareswari was very closed to MQ for many years during UPA.

CBN always been politically short sited. He looked for short time gains in his selection of allies etc. and failed to create a major grouping of Anti INC parties in AP. This is what he did immediately after 2004 and joining TRS in 2009. His joining of TRS contributed a great deal to the division of AP. He can say anything now but he also responsible for the present state of affairs in AP.

Given any opportunity, he will ditch BJP without hesitation and is acting as secular as they come now. While he is the best of the people available to lead AP today, that is mainly because the alternatives available are criminals like Jagan or frauds like Chiranjeevi. INC is very weak and hopefull never recover in AP. Pavan Kalyan is an unknown quantity at best. He has also not shown any clear political vision till date. In 2019 winning LS seats in AP will be a tall order if the things move as they are now. One major hope is continuous fall of Jagan criminal party. So hopefully people vote of TDP for one more term. But will CBN be with NDA in that election? I am not sure. No one in BJP is sure if you ask them in private. So BJP in AP needs to make itself strong and replace INC as one of the power centres in AP. This is a golden opportunity for BJP, and there is no indication of any kind the local leadership is doing anything about it.

People talked this and that - it is called gossip. But I look at outcomes. The allegations against CBN have always been fantastic - hotels in singapore this and that and blah blah. But there was never any factual basis to it. On the other hand the appreciation he has is genuine and spans the entire world - you are talking about people like Bill Gates (when he is a hard nosed CEO not some do gooder). I dont know what prevents you from acknowledging it.

I said it before and I say it again - I have seen political players closesly - there is no big caste basis in either politics or film industry. As I said its highest among student and employees and tends to be lower in all other groups.

CBN is simply phenomenal - His greatest fault is realy being born a Hindu - he is tagged to his caste and he is brow beaten on that basis. Any society would have hugged him completely.

Hindu is not same as BJP and vice versa. ANything that strengthen Hindus need to be appreciated otherwise so called hindutva is another bogus political front.

Finally lets stop this nonsense about tdp doing anything to realize in breaking up AP. CBN was trying to protect his party in both regions but he was never in a position to stop the split - he had no power - The whole telagana agitation was trick to box in TDP - until "national" parties decided the split is in their interest.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 01 Apr 2017 08:41

Guys, what are your thoughts on the recent GO/law(?) promulgated by the AP govt ordering return of temple lands back to the temples? Was the encroachment serious, and how is the implementation?

PS. I didn't know the Tirupati related GOs. Who passed them? I would have thought the YSR govt would have removed it for their, ahem, interests?

vnms · Post by **vnms** » 01 Apr 2017 09:00

Casteism and nepotism is the hall mark of AP/TS. But this is more or less restricted to the 'upper classes'. Those who deny this simply assume that everyone is an idiot. I haven't seen too much importance given to caste by people belonging to BC, SC etc.

Even in the US people do not let go. First, there was this TANA dominated by Kammas which the Reddys did not like. So, they started ATA.
I know quite few kammas, where I live, prefer a particular restaurant solely because it was owned by a kamma.

F'ing unbelievable.

Did not want to rake up the partition issue but I need to add something here. Special Category Status was VERBALLY promised. But the bill does not mention the same. AP shouldn't cry about verbal promises. They should know.

Instead of regretting the split, which cannot be undone, I think the focus should be on figuring out alternate solutions. AP had the potential and capability to pull itself up.

There was no way BJP was going to get any seats in AP, with or without SCS.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 01 Apr 2017 09:13

Temple lands are encroached in undivided AP and am told TS Gov is doing something about it. In AP there is widespread looting of the temple properties. If such GO is issued, it is a good first thing. JJ had done something like that in TN a few years back.

@KiranA sir, Gossip or fact may not be known unless someone seriously looks into that. No one is going to do that as long as they are in power. I say it as fact, and you can contend it is gossip. In the end, CBN is not any legendary leader like NTR. He has good admin capabilities. Has some good IT-related ideas and used them to a great extent. But at the same time went on to lose power to a person like YSR and failed to defeat him in 2009 when he had the opportunity. He got an image of being anti-NGOs and other Gov servants. While NGOs need not be allowed to work like rubbish take bribes etc and all that it is politically suicidal to treat Gov employees like dirt. True that Prajarajyam created by MQ was largely responsible for the defeat in 2019. But what did CBN did to stop the INC plan? Nothing. Present day TS was a stronghold of TDP for a long time, and he managed to lose that place also.

In the end, a good administrator like CBN shall also be a good political leader to be in power. He failed in that. INC in AP was an active and formidable force at that time and back to back wins made headstrong CBN ignore that fact. Corruption wise also there was some improvement but not much. Admin under TDP was always better than that of INC even under NTR.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 01 Apr 2017 11:10

Sorry, duplicated post.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 01 Apr 2017 12:08

chetak wrote:Reliability, loyalty, trust and sincerity are prized qualities in friends and allies.

Rank opportunism will only get you so far, until you run into people with long memories and little reason to take your word at face value.

From the very first day, it was intended by five, six CMs to corner Modi and the BJP by controlling LS seats and then blackmailing the BJP into pouring uncounted funds into their own states and also supporting their harebrained minority appeasement schemes. That not one of these jokers succeeded should tell us something. All of them are now languishing in their self-created political wilderness.

Does anybody recall derek Nobrain greedily licking his chops and copiously salivating at this very prospect on every single TV channel for days on end?? He certainly got a BJP rocket rammed painfully into a place where the sun don't shine, as did his party.

If you think that by blocking the BJP's progress you will benefit, these agile guys have already bypassed you.

some people can be arm twisted, some others will slap you back so very hard that "naani yaad aayegi"

ajit singh's fate in UP should serve as an example, as will nitish's fast catching up fate.

ABA's smiling visage and poetry-spouting days are well behind the BJP. It's only real politic now. Either you are with them or you will be counted as being against them.

They will not let some local joker impede their 2019 goals.

Not to mention, that any local scandal that erupts will be placed squarely around Modi's neck, irrespective of which wonderous "honest" mai ke lal or his equally corrupt son from any party is actually involved in it.

people like some eminent aapi paapi supreme court lawyers and such other "results of unsuccessful abortions" are eagerly waiting for some such slip ups to take place