Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

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https://thewire.in/154449/expert-gyan-i ... na-bhutan/

Five experts talk about the Bhutan standoff.

Looks like the Inst of Chinese studies has balanced mind.
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Karolina Goswami does her bit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo0fVkGdeC4
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good show Rohit. The maps have been credited to you in the article.

well done. 8)




https://swarajyamag.com/world/despite-b ... rom-doklam


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ramana wrote:https://thewire.in/154449/expert-gyan-i ... na-bhutan/

Five experts talk about the Bhutan standoff.

Looks like the Inst of Chinese studies has balanced mind.
Alka Acharya's position is quite slimy.

In the past too, she has taken similar kind of positions in debates and articles.
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More than 5 weeks into the Dokala/Dolam standoff, some fresh inputs. There are no signs of de escalation from either side. Reinforcements in. :twisted: :twisted:
India's 63, 164&112 brigades are on full alert. Some elements have staged forward in response to China bringing in more troops at Khamba. PhariDzong&Khamba, on the western side of the Chumbi Valley is witnessing additional troops movement. India is also keeping its powder dry
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Iyersan wrote:More than 5 weeks into the Dokala/Dolam standoff, some fresh inputs. There are no signs of de escalation from either side. Reinforcements in. :twisted: :twisted:
India's 63, 164&112 brigades are on full alert. Some elements have staged forward in response to China bringing in more troops at Khamba. PhariDzong&Khamba, on the western side of the Chumbi Valley is witnessing additional troops movement. India is also keeping its powder dry
Can someone confirm what units we have in place - I assume all 3 divisions of 33 Corps in Siliguri would be able to move into action at short notice.
Do we have any units of the Mountain strike corps already raised ?
Any other reserve formations that can move into the Sikkim / NE Area, towards the LAC ?
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 512901.cms
Border row: Indian Army getting ready for long haul in Doklam
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Mostly likely the Chinese will maintain their shrill rhetoric about "no talks", etc till the 19th peoples congress is over sometime around October 2017. Only after that serious negotiations will start.
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I won't be surprised if China uses this incident to demand Bhutan that it establishes diplomatic relationship with PRC as negotiations through a third party are impractical. China usually has multiple objectives.
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Meanwhile this business-standard.com/article/econom… and this wap.business-standard.com/article/econom… is also the reason why Beijing will not escalate beyond a point.
851cr Nagpur metro project awarded to Chinese
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^
If that was all that was at stake I wouldn't give a seconds thought, as China, to teach India a lesson. What is 851 cr for a ~$10 Trillion economy?

Added later: BTW, this is the kind of thinking that will land India in trouble. We do not know the Chinese motivation, its plans and it commitment to its current course wrt India.
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SSridhar wrote:I won't be surprised if China uses this incident to demand Bhutan that it establishes diplomatic relationship with PRC as negotiations through a third party are impractical. China usually has multiple objectives.
Hopefully, our intervention on their behalf, the Chinese brutalization of the Tibetan culture and record of its creeping encroachment as demonstrated most recently in SCS should keep Bhutan in our corner.

But at the end of the day, India under Modi, should be a realist and if push comes to shove grab what is in our interest. Except for the Chinese no one will make a noise.
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Iyersan wrote:Meanwhile this business-standard.com/article/econom… and this wap.business-standard.com/article/econom… is also the reason why Beijing will not escalate beyond a point.
851cr Nagpur metro project awarded to Chinese
The coaches that Panda is supplying the Nagpur metro, as per the article, are the lowest cost supplied for an Indian metro project so far.
However, Pakistan (which I assume buys at the same cost because they are `tarrel than... friends') has the cost of the Lahore Metro working out to almost double that of the Delhi Metro (on a per km cost) This is even before one factors in loan repayments in forex, when the Pak currency devalues each year.

Ideally trade with China on the same terms as other countries, should be confined to subsidised items, which we cannot easily make here and where the cost of the final service to the end customer reduces significantly - effectively using Chinese subsidies to benefit Indian consumers.
Solar panels are a good example (solar power costs are now lower than from new thermal plants), Metro coaches are another, as long as we plan to switch manufacture to India for the longer term. On all other items there can either be an anti dumping duty, or a minimum import price (e.g. Rs 10,000 per cell phone) on which the existing duties will be levied.
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SSridhar-ji and other Bhutan observers:

I see that there are three options for Bhutan.

1. Bhutan continues status quo but sooner or later have to open up consular access to Chinese when there is a weak Indian government at the centre years from now. This will open them up for slow but creeping Chinese influence and land grab. This will unfortunately make Bhutan a pawn between two big powers with one of the powers a ruthless hegemon.

2. Bhutan enters into a defense and economic pact with India where by India takes responsibility for external defense, currency, forex reserves, central banking of Bhutan in exchange for India getting free transit access through Bhutan. Bhutan will retain its soverignity, internal law and order, constitution, education, environment, culture, religion, etc. This will be similar to J&K's accession with India with constitutional guarantees similar to (or exceeding) article 370. This will protect them against Chinese evil designs and guarantee survival of their culture and civilization while also paving way for material prosperity and them retaining most of their sovereignty.

3. Bhutan signs a pact of accession with union of India with some guarantees to protect its ecology, unique culture, demography, language and religion. This will be similar to what Sikkim did with India when Indira Gandhi was PM. There can be some minimal constitutional amendments to continue the monarchy in some form along with parliamentary democracy (similar to UK) but within the ambit of the state of Bhutan of the union of India. The only con of this approach is that they may be concerned with losing their uniqueness and expose them to dangers of demographic influx from illegal Bangladesis, etc.

No where in BRF or in our media there is any in-depth discussions on Bhutan deep state's (royal family and their advisors) long term strategic thinking.

I personally feel that the second or third options are the best options for Bhutan in terms of preserve its unique culture, demography and landmass from ever increasing Chinese aggression. Chinese will eat up Bhutan within few years of India defending it, ending their unique culture and ethnic civilization the way they are doing in Tibet.

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While presenting options, GoI should not exert any sort of overt influence on Bhutanese policy makers. This is a decision they should make as a nation whole-heartedly. They know that India and Bhutan are joined at the hip - in terms of culture, religion and we are eternal well wishers of any dharmic civilization. For us to risk our men and material for eternity, we need Bhutan to whole heartedly make this choice themselves.
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"Peace and Friendship Treaty" similar to what we signed with the Soviets just before the BDesh War in '71 ,with a clear mandate for India to protect Bhutan's sovereignty and territory militarily if need be,essential,if the present agreements are insufficient.Bhutan should also take it to theUN about the Chinese bullying. Little Bhutan would get huge international moral support which would amount to large loss of face for the Chinese,plus globally expose Chinese mischief in the mountains,threatening a tiny state. There would be a backlash against China and OBOR if this happens.

A mil plan to defeat the Chinese by mil pincer movements from both sides,Sikkim and Bhutan will trap any Chinese forces
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take a bow Rohit Vats: great work!
SSridhar saar is chalta firta library on Pakis & Lizzards.

Can we not call Chinese, Pandas? Pandas are harmless cute animals. Eating bamboo leafs & avoiding people...
where as Chinese are like venemous snakes creeping in grass,ready to strike, ignore at own peril.
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Are civilians still being allowed into Nathu La?
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General Zhao Zongqi, commander of the Chinese Western Theatre Command
THE CHINESE General, responsible for the area on the Sikkim border where the Indian and Chinese armies are in a standoff for the past 23 days, had visited India last December, where he had also met the present Army chief General Bipin Rawat. General Zhao Zongqi, commander of the Chinese Western Theatre Command, who is responsible for the Indian border, has around one-third of the 2.26-million strong Chinese military under his command since February 2016. He was on a three-day visit to India from December 8 to 10 last year, where he had met the then Army chief, General Dalbir Singh, then Army vice-chief and current chief, General Bipin Rawat and the Eastern Army Commander, Lt General Praveen Bakshi.
As per the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) website, General Zongqi had then “exchanged views on mil-to-mil relations between the two countries and especially the cooperation between the PLA Western Theater Command and the Indian military”. The two sides had also agreed to “try best to make positive contributions to the healthy and stable development of the relations between the two countries and the two militaries”.

Former additional secretary of R&AW and China expert Jayadeva Ranade says, “General Zhao Zongqi is a very senior member of the Communist Party…he is a member of the central committee. But he will not act unless the Central Military Commission (CMC) has approved the action. The CMC basically means President Xi Jinping, who is the commissioner of CMC. President Xi has taken up the Western Theatre Command as a pilot project — to shape it as something like the American Central Command and he personally chose Zongqi, that says it all.”

Sources told The Sunday Express that the Chinese troops arrayed against the Indian soldiers in Dolam plateau since June 16 are from PLA’s 6 Border Defence (BD) regiment (Unit-77649) in Tibet. General Zhao Zongqi had served in Tibet for over two decades, including as the commander of 52 Mountain Brigade in the early 1990s. He is considered to be a military commander with experience that demonstrates extensive operational knowledge of mountain warfare, and is considered to be one of the rising stars of the Chinese military under President Xi.

General Zhao Zongqi is highly rated because he is one of the few Chinese military commanders who fought in the 1979 China-Vietnam War, where he also went undercover. He is also fluent in Arabic and Tibetan. “This man (General Zhao Zongqi) will certainly bring a close direction to conflict because of his battle experience, which puts him in a different category. As he has good equation with the PLA (A) chief, he will get the resources that he needs — bringing troops is not an issue for him,” said Ranade
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Are we paying for our long standing blunders on China policy , a news clipping of 1950s I think :

https://twitter.com/Roll_no_2/status/884011682900594688
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In the Indian Express article I posted above about General Zhao, it is clear that the Chinese political and military leadership including the Central Military Commission, (their apex military body presided over by Xi Jinping) is heavily invested in the Dolam plateau stand-off with India. And yet as the Swarajya article states, China is at a tactical disadvantage at this location and any hostilities at this particular location will result in heavy casualties to their side and hence a major loss of face for the senior leadership including Xi, particularly at this stage with the impending People's Congress in October. And so they are faced with an un-enviable choice. Either back down, with the consequent loss of face, or gamble and greatly expand the scope of the conflict by opening up other fronts on land and maybe in the maritime domain. And so the constipated look on Xi's face when he met Modi. Xi has to make some tough choices soon.
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Xi can keep his dogs barking till People's congress and then negotiate a way out ... With the Indian army digging in the decibel levels have already fallen. From now on perhaps one or two *patriotic* farts per week will keep the pot boiling till then.
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And the IAF chief has clearly sent a signal by saying that his force is getting ready for an "intense 15 day conflict with China" i.e. if China gambles and decides to expand this confrontation, India is ready.
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Rajeev wrote:Are we paying for our long standing blunders on China policy , a news clipping of 1950s I think :

https://twitter.com/Roll_no_2/status/884011682900594688
Must be 1963. The article mentions the war between India and China. In hindsight, it seems to me that India has not learnt from its (past) mistakes. India today has a new coterie of "V K Menons".
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ldev wrote:And the IAF chief has clearly sent a signal by saying that his force is getting ready for an "intense 15 day conflict with China" i.e. if China gambles and decides to expand this confrontation, India is ready.
Only 15 days? What happens after that? UN intervention? The message to the chinis has to be that India is prepared for a long haul.
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SSridhar wrote:Alka Acharya's position is quite slimy.

In the past too, she has taken similar kind of positions in debates and articles.
It is an out and out Chinese position. She even talks about the so-called discourse in China over "China’s propensity to give away its territory too easily". So in a way she's justifying not only the Doklam stand off but all the past, present and future Chinese actions in the name of territorial integrity.

Also she cleverly skirts the question on 1890 treaty.
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I wonder if the Dalai Lama has weighed in on this situation. What are his thoughts? If majority of the PLA conscripts (read: cannon fodder) facing the IA in this sector are of Tibetan origin (I think I read this somewhere on BRF), will the conscripts pay heed to their leader in exile?
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anupmisra wrote:
ldev wrote:And the IAF chief has clearly sent a signal by saying that his force is getting ready for an "intense 15 day conflict with China" i.e. if China gambles and decides to expand this confrontation, India is ready.
Only 15 days? What happens after that? UN intervention? The message to the chinis has to be that India is prepared for a long haul.
IMO, an "intense 15 day conflict in the air" will escalate well before the 15 days into the maritime domain where India has a decisive advantage. I could be wrong but IMO both sides will at least initially target each other's forces and supporting infrastructure and not towns/cities with missile/air attacks. But at some point in time well within the 15 days and depending on the kind of losses, especially aircraft losses that each side has taken, India will move to bottle Chinese commercial shipping via the Malacca straits. At this stage, China will launch large scale conventional missile attacks against Indian cities/towns and civilian infrastructure. And the Indian Navy will hunt down and attack every single Chinese ship/submarine which is in the Indian Ocean. Blocking commercial ships headed to China will have a huge impact on the Chinese economy as the great majority of Chinese imports especially oil and other raw materials flow through the Malacca straits. And because China produces such a large percentage of most commonly used products globally that will rattle global stock, bond and currency markets at which point other countries will step in to defuse the crisis.

The secondary effect (economic impact) on China of a China-India general conflict will be far more severe than direct losses due to Indian military action.
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ldev wrote:....And because China produces such a large percentage of most commonly used products globally that will rattle global stock, bond and currency markets at which point other countries will step in to defuse the crisis.
So your thesis is that once the global stock markets tank (by extension, the bond markets should rise), the rest of the world and the UN will step in to stop the ongoing war (which by inference is too late to defuse the crisis - the war is already begun).
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looks like Taiwan will get due recognition as an independent state if the Chinese go a bit far wrt to Bhutan !! .. and timely too .. :mrgreen:
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http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/dokl ... 98037.html
Doklam faceoff: Why China wants to grab Bhutan's land and blame India
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anupmisra wrote:I wonder if the Dalai Lama has weighed in on this situation. What are his thoughts? If majority of the PLA conscripts (read: cannon fodder) facing the IA in this sector are of Tibetan origin (I think I read this somewhere on BRF), will the conscripts pay heed to their leader in exile?
I doubt China will train a large section of Tibetans and take them into PLA. For communist countries Political loyalty of the Armed Forces very critical as the forces are basically internal police forces to be used against any dissidence.
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anupmisra wrote:
ldev wrote:....And because China produces such a large percentage of most commonly used products globally that will rattle global stock, bond and currency markets at which point other countries will step in to defuse the crisis.
So your thesis is that once the global stock markets tank (by extension, the bond markets should rise), the rest of the world and the UN will step in to stop the ongoing war (which by inference is too late to defuse the crisis - the war is already begun).
Yes, because at that stage, the ongoing war is just 1 rung below the nuclear threshold and the potential to cross that threshold alongwith the shipping blockade is what will prompt the rest of the world to step in.
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Why this fetish with deep strike / blockade / missile / nuclear exchange? I have pointed this out once before in the context of the current situation.

It is just a border standoff. We have had serious enough skirmish in the past and China was given a bloody nose. In spite of having to back off and possessing missile and nuclear weapons it did not launch it then. What will prompt it now?
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pankajs wrote:Why this fetish with deep strike / blockade / missile / nuclear exchange? I have pointed this out once before in the context of the current situation.

It is just a border standoff. We have had serious enough skirmish in the past and China was given a bloody nose. In spite of having to back off and possessing missile and nuclear weapons it did not launch it then. What will prompt it now?
You are correct. As you posted earlier:

Xi can keep his dogs barking till People's congress and then negotiate a way out ... With the Indian army digging in the decibel levels have already fallen. From now on perhaps one or two *patriotic* farts per week will keep the pot boiling till then.
this scenario is most likely to happen.

But India via the IAF chief's statement is signalling to China that in the event the Chinese escalate, India is ready and all that I am doing is theorizing as to how that escalation, if it happens, could play out.
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anupmisra wrote:
ldev wrote:....And because China produces such a large percentage of most commonly used products globally that will rattle global stock, bond and currency markets at which point other countries will step in to defuse the crisis.
So your thesis is that once the global stock markets tank (by extension, the bond markets should rise), the rest of the world and the UN will step in to stop the ongoing war (which by inference is too late to defuse the crisis - the war is already begun).
They're not dumb. Even a feint by india towards the sea lanes will bring then running. A naval blockade will bring their economies to a screeching halt.
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pankajs wrote:Why this fetish with deep strike / blockade / missile / nuclear exchange? I have pointed this out once before in the context of the current situation.

It is just a border standoff. We have had serious enough skirmish in the past and China was given a bloody nose. In spite of having to back off and possessing missile and nuclear weapons it did not launch it then. What will prompt it now?
But this would be a serious loss of face for Eleven if he is not able to benefit from this
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This is what Chinese tell to aam chini abdul



Please bear with automatic translation. You get the overall story.

Why did not China drive away from the invasion of Indian military personnel?
Time comment / three shrimp / from the network
Recently, the Indian military personnel illegally crossed the border into China's Tibet Shigatse area Yadong County in the south of Donglong area, causing widespread concern. In the face of China's request for India to learn from the lessons of history, as soon as possible to withdraw the warning, the Minister of Defense Minister of Finance, Alan Jayetteley said in response to refusal, and that India is not 1962 India ... and so on.
At present, there are still a considerable number of people in India still adhere to the Cold War mentality, the Chinese territory in their own road operations as India's "threat." India's move, for some time, China in their own territory on the road to rational and legitimate, so why the Chinese side is not armed off the armed forces?
As China has consistently adhered to the principle of peaceful coexistence, it is always hoped that the differences will be resolved in a peaceful way and never first be fired. However, do not open the first shot is not equal to not shoot. Once, China's restraint to a certain limit, China will "the shot when the shot"!
Why did the Indian authorities say that they were not in 1962, and that they mistakenly believed that the Indian side could take advantage of the border for its condescending terrain (more than 4500 meters above the altar altitude and nearly 3,500 meters in the Donglang area) Where the advantages of the mountain division and a certain degree of air force and extremely rampant.
Throughout the history, in February 1951, the Indian government by the founding of new China was busy to the house to take care of the Sino-Indian border issue and the Korean War, sent more than 100 people across the Xishan River, Dawang River, , Forced to exercise the jurisdiction of the Chinese local government in Tibet where the relocation; India before and after the occupation of Dawang, also occupied the "wheat line" south of the door of the horse fruit and other places. In October, the Indian army in a helicopter with the occupation, the occupation of Luo Yu on the Baxi Xi Ren place, in the plum card and other places to force the establishment of barracks. After the liberation of Tibet, the Indian army continued to the north of the traditional custom line, "wheat line" to the south into the local residents were resistance. In 1953 Assam's Indian army a blessing enemy with a total of more than 70 officers and men, against the Soviet Union and the Soviet Union on the west, invaded Taji village, was buried in the jungle Lhoba residents with the bow and arrow to shoot all of them.
In 1953, the Indian army basically occupied the door, Luo Yu, the next corner of the corner. On this basis, the Indian government in 1954 has been and its upcoming encroachment of the "wheat line" south of the traditional custom line north of 90,000 square kilometers of our territory, to establish its "northeast border zone" And to amend the official map, the illegal "McMahon Line" has been the original "unbounded border" for the first time marked as "has been delimited" in an attempt to make its invasion of Chinese territory immobilization, legalization. However, the Indian military and political personnel know that "wheat line" is illegal and feel guilty. On April 6, 1955, an Indian official who had invaded the corpses issued a top secret document saying, "I was ordered to inform you that the word 'whore line' and 'borders' should cease to use in the future ...' Mike Ma Hong line 'reference, should immediately use the' northeast border 'one instead. "Since then, the Indian army and crossed the" wheat line "to the north to promote the occupation of Tibet and Mani and other places.
In the middle of the Sino-Indian border, the Indian army in addition to the occupation of the British colonialists occupied the mulberry, onions and two places, in 1954 and occupied the incense, pull the end, Wu He three; in 1955 occupied Pollin three; In 1957 occupied the Shibu Qi River and near a piece of grass; in 1958 and occupied the giant wow, song mess with the two. In this way, the Indian side in the middle of the border between China and India encroachment of about 2,000 square kilometers of land.
Sino-Indian border The current disputed area of ​​the total area of ​​125,000 square kilometers, of which the eastern section of about 90,000 square kilometers, the middle of about 2000 square kilometers, the western section of about 33,000 square kilometers. The eastern part of the Sino-Indian border is roughly the same as the "McMahon Line". India has set up "Arunachal Pradesh" in India and many years ago. More than 700 million people. In contrast, the Sino-Indian border in the middle of the problem, China and India a few years ago to exchange the real control area map, the border issue has been initially resolved.
The western part of the Sino-Indian border, before and after 1951, the Indian army took advantage of our army had just entered the Ali area of ​​the machine, occupied by the east of the Mizushan Jiang and Mazu Zhuoke about 449 square kilometers of land; after 1954 , The Indian army and occupied Barry Rigas.
Although India on the border on our territory gradually encroachment, encroachment, I Ministry of Foreign Affairs made several representations and protests to India, but because of our adherence to the peaceful negotiations through the settlement of the disputed border policy, so from 1951 to In 1958, the Sino-Indian border region was basically calm.
But in March 1959, the victory in the judgments of the judgments in Tibet, which destroyed the Chinese and foreign anti-Sino-Indian warfare tactics, plotted to create the social basis of "Tibet independence", making India's imaginary "buffer state" attempt Shattered. The Indian authorities have taken the attitude of the separatist forces in the territory of Tibet to support their attitudes, and cast a shadow over their relations. The Indian government has deliberately provoked border disputes with China and created border tensions to worsen Sino-Indian relations. On March 22, 1959, the armed reaction of the upper reactionary tigers in Lhasa was tainted by me. On the day of the end of the Battle of Lhasa, the Indian authorities demanded not only the south of the eastern border "McMahon Line", which had been illegally occupied 9 million square kilometers and the middle border of 2,000 square kilometers of our territory into India, but also the western border has been effectively under the jurisdiction of our government in Akesaiqin and other regions more than 33,000 square kilometers of territory is also placed in India.
In 1950 to 1951 when our army into Ali, 1956-1957 China in the Aksai Chin area to build a new road, the Indian government did not raise objections. But then the Indian side said that the area belongs to them, and insisted that China "encroachment of Indian territory." Indian authorities unreasonable requirements of the territory of China's total area of ​​about 125,000 square kilometers equivalent to an area of ​​Fujian Province.
The Indian authorities, after their unreasonable demands have been rejected by the Chinese government, continue to pursue the "forward policy", use force to unilaterally change the already established border situation and continue to create bloodshed.
In the eastern section, India sent troops to cross the "wheat line", in the April 25, 1959 occupation of the line north of Long long; April 28 occupation of the tower horse pier; August 13 occupation of both Mani ( Sand), and in these areas established a post. Then, on August 25, the Indian army raised the long-time event and fired a shot at the team near me for a long time. After killing two people in the Indian army,
In the western section of October 20, 1959, the Indian army 3 people in the air karak pass illegal cross-border reconnaissance, was my border patrols detained, more than 60 Indian troops in the 21 cross-border siege of my patrol, we were forced to fight back, both sides Each casualties, I killed nine soldiers in the Indian army, captured seven, the Indian army spare time fled. This is the aircass pass.
The Indian government by Long Jiu, empty Kazan Pass two events, set off a wave of anti-China, with the United Nations in the debate on the "Tibet issue" when the slander of our country. From 1961 to 1962 September, the Indian army in the western border of our territory has established 43 invading sites, occupation of our territory 4,000 square kilometers. These positions, and some only a few meters away from our military post, and some even built in the back of our military post, cut off my post posterior. The western part of the formation of the Indian invasion site and our army border posts sentinel confrontation state. In the eastern section of June 1962 the Indian army and crossed the "wheat line", invaded the mountain area of ​​Shannan County, Tibet, the town of Kejie Long Valley, in the winter place to establish an invasion of the base, in an attempt to change the "wheat line" direction to line about 21 Km of the Rashan Mountains (the Indian side called "Tarkela") as a border. September 17 to 19, the Indian army more than 30 people to choose around the bridge my army whistle crazy provocation to bayonets, rifles, submachine guns forced me to retreat soldiers on duty.
Confrontation to 20, the Indian army finally shot, killing our army 1, wounded soldiers 1, I was forced to fight back. The two sides exchanged fire to 29, I choose to take the initiative to retreat around the bridgehead. Indian troops are easy to forget shape, inch footage. October 8, the Indian army over Kejie Long River, on the 10th attack our army posts. To 20 days ago, a total of wounded wounded my army cadre warrior 47 people. In the western border, the Indian army constantly surrounded my patrol team, ambushed my transport personnel, shooting my post. Indian military aircraft frequently violated China's airspace, in 1959 to 1961 3 years, the invasion of military reconnaissance activities reached more than 120 sorties.
In the face of the re-armed invasion of the Indian army, the Central Military Commission that Tibet, Xinjiang border forces continue to attack in the eastern section, the western part of the invasion of Indian troops. The eastern part of the Tibet Military Region commanded eight infantry regiment, three artillery regiment of the troops, to the southwest of the Dawang River - Bundila area counterattack; to strengthen the eastern section of the eastern region of the command, decided to form the Changdu area Before the finger (that is, refers to), by the commander Ding Sheng, deputy commander Wei Tongtai, deputy political commissar Zhongchi, political director of the blue Yannong, Changdu army division commander Hong Jinwu composition, command 4 regiment of troops, to Wanda area counterattack Tibet Shannan, Nyingchi district troops, in the eastern section of the central area to fight back to meet the main direction of combat. West, the Xinjiang Military Region before the command of a regiment of the main force, in the Bangao Luo area counterattack.
In the weeks of the Sino-Indian war, the victory of the Chinese army finally ended. Finally, China's 40,000 troops, defeated 300,000 Indian troops.
According to the information: the Chinese border guards in the entire self-defense counterattack operations, annihilate the Indian army 3 brigade (7 brigade, 62 brigade, artillery 4 brigade), the basic annihilation of the Indian army 3 brigade (112 brigade, Brigade, the first 65 brigade), and the other annihilate the Indian Army 5th brigade, 67th brigade, 114th brigade, 129th brigade, killed the Indian army 62 travel brigadier Hosier. Singh Brigadier following 4,885 people , Who captured the brigade of the 7th Brigade of the 7th Brigadier General. Seized: 5 aircraft, 9 tanks, 434 cars, 88mm cannon 13, 88mm howitzer 36, 75mm mountain gun 12, 106.7mm mortar 27, 106mm no recoil gun 6, 81mm mortar 142 door, 51mm mortar 144, 631 heavy and heavy machine guns, 5,772 long and short guns, rocket launchers 112, grenade launchers (grenade launchers) 32, bullet 4,120,591 rounds, shells 79,720 hair, grenades 16,921 mines, 14,848 landmines (telephone) 520, artillery observer and other equipment 735 (with).
China's border guards killed 722 people (including 82 officers and 640 soldiers), 1,697 injured (including 173 officers, soldiers 1,524) consumption: shells 22,976 hair, bullets 701,342 hair, grenades 7 , 080 pieces, blasting tube 64, explosives 2,050 k9, fire fuel 677L, damaged 122mm howitzer 1, 18 machine guns, 81 long and short guns, 40mm rocket laurel 2, radio (walkie-talkie) 5, 12 cars. China won the war at a small price.
Now, the Indian authorities have tried to repeat their martial arts, trying to force the occupation of Chinese territory, they think they have "advantage" is not 1962 years, but they do not want to think, is China or 1962 China? A few decades later, the modernization of the Chinese army has made great progress.
Therefore, the Indian authorities must not erroneously estimate the situation to take risks. China is now the reason why there is no force to drive the invasion of India, but China has always stressed that China and India are developing countries, China and India to live in peace, friendly cooperation and mutual benefit is the best choice between the two countries. If the Indian authorities to adhere to the wrong action, once the Chinese forced to the unbearable shot when the time must be a very serious consequences!
This article comes from the Phoenix, only on behalf of the Phoenix from the media point of view.
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After India's “incursion” into Donglang, China can interfere in J&K, says Chinese media
If the Pakistani government requests, a third country's army can enter the area disputed by India and Pakistan, including India-controlled Kashmir, says article in Global Times.

India has exposed itself to China’s interference in Jammu & Kashmir by sending Indian troops to disrupt Chinese soldiers from building a road in the Donglang region, the state media said on Sunday.

If Pakistan requests, “a third country” can dispatch soldiers to the Valley, said an article in the nationalist tabloid Global Times, adding that Indian soldiers “invaded” China’s Donglang (or Doklam) to serve India’s interests, not Bhutan’s.

“Even if India were requested to defend Bhutan's territory, this could only be limited to its established territory, not the disputed area. Otherwise, under India's logic, if the Pakistani government requests, a third country's army can enter the area disputed by India and Pakistan, including India-controlled Kashmir,” said the article written by Long Xingchun, director of the Centre for Indian Studies at China West Normal University.

Indian and Chinese border troops are locked in a standoff in the Donglang region, near the Sikkim border, which is controlled by China but is also claimed by Bhutan.

Interestingly, China has repeatedly said that Donglang is part of its territory since “ancient times”; it’s for the first time that a Chinese academic said it is actually “disputed”.

“Indian troops invaded China's Doklam area in the name of helping Bhutan, but in fact the invasion was intended to help India by making use of Bhutan,” Long wrote. “India controls Bhutan's defence and diplomacy, seriously violating Bhutan's sovereignty and national interests. Indians have migrated in large numbers to Nepal and Bhutan, interfering with Nepal's internal affairs. The first challenge for Nepal and Bhutan is to avoid becoming a state of India, like Sikkim,” the article added.


Long wrote about India’s “hegemonic diplomacy” in south Asia and claimed New Delhi’s policies have violated international laws and norms.

“For a long time, India has been talking about international equality and non-interference in the internal affairs of others, but it has pursued hegemonic diplomacy in South Asia, seriously violating the UN Charter and undermining the basic norms of international relations,” he wrote.

“Through mass immigration to Sikkim, ultimately leading to control of the Sikkim parliament, India annexed Sikkim as one of its states,” the article said.

Referring to the Siliguri Corridor that connects mainland India to the states in the northeast, the article said it was New Delhi’s concerns about the geographical connection that triggered the standoff.

“This incursion reflects that India fears China can quickly separate mainland India from northeast India through military means, dividing India into two pieces. In this case, northeast India might take the opportunity to become independent,” the article said.

It added: “India has interpreted China's infrastructure construction in Tibet as having a geopolitical intention against India. India itself is unable to do the same for its northeastern part, so it is trying to stop China's road construction.”
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