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Re: Indian Education System

Postby prasannasimha » 13 Sep 2017 21:00

Students will rise to the occasion and the meritorious will benefit. It's the ones whose sole claim to fame is money /political daddies that will loose out. Just see the number of colleges derecognized this year to get an idea of the rot

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Postby vina » 15 Sep 2017 15:42

deejay wrote:It was also widely accepted then that Tamil Nadu Matriculation Board was among the best boards in India.


The operative word is "WAS" . The Tamil Nadu Matriculation Board does NOT exist and HAS not existed for the past decade, after our Dear Leader, Dr. Artiste abolished that , along with the entrance exams (the Higher Secondary /CBSE marks were 50% and entrance 50% earlier) from what I remember.

Dr Artiste introduced "Sama Cheer Kalvi" i.e. "Equal Quality Education" (aka State Board only) . Trouble is it was not "Sama Cheer Kalvi", but rather "Shema KuttiCheer Kalvi" . The grade inflation was intentional and it became a comedy of sorts with everyone getting some eyepopping 99.9% marks (thanks to the fixed exam system which rewarded rote memorisation and regurgitation from the prescribed text book and not actually testing any learning).

Net result, there is no way to distinguish a poor, average , good and excellent student anymore. Net result, where everyone was declared "meritorious", the truly meritorious ran to CBSE schools all over TN. For e.g., even the school which I studied in when I was in TN,which was matric back then, has now a"CBSE" school and all my class mates children now study in the CBSE school and not the school in which they went to.

And thanks to this grade inflation , you have travesties like some 30 students from the cram school in Namakkal get into Shriram College of Commerce Delhi in one year (that is an incredibly difficult college to get into).

Now you put them into NEET and actually make them use their brains, it is a disaster. And mind you, the lowest admitted elgibility in NEET is a paltry 140 marks out of some 860 or something! Speaks volumes about the atrocity that the TN high school education was reduced to in the last 10 years.

The bottom has been plumbed. Now the thing to do is fix this "Sama Cheer Kalvi" nonsense, make the kids start using their brains and actually learn something , instead of a "Madrassa" like rote learning and regurgitating , where instead of the Koran/Bible/Whatever, it is some verbose descriptive stuff in Physics , Chemistry, Math and Biology (other than Math, where the same problems with same numerics as text book appear, you probably don't need to solve any problem at all in Physics and Chemistry).

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby csaurabh » 15 Sep 2017 16:24

As per my understanding of ground situation in TN and Kerala, all kids were given 100% marks in school exams regardless of their performance. Maybe some of the really poor ones got 90%. This has been going on for a few years now.

Understandably this doesn't work out too well at the national level..

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby prasannasimha » 15 Sep 2017 18:45

Now you can understaand why in the long run NEET is agood thing for them.
Have you seen the number of colleges whicj have been deregistered across India and the number that have gfot deregistered in Pondicherry and Tamil Naadu ?
With NEET counselling suddenly a huge number of colleges have got no or inadequate admissions now which were filled previously by money owning duffers. Suddenly there are no takers -Why is this.The market forces ahve now been overcome by merit forces and the truth is comi ng out bnow. For the meritorious students NEET is the best thing to happen to them as they can now get a fair chance compared to admissions based on Pappa's monetary and political strength

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Postby Theo_Fidel » 17 Sep 2017 23:22

Gus wrote:The pressure on these kids to score is unbelievable. I was shocked when I had to watch closely what some of my niece and nephews have to go through now that they are hitting the 12th grade. I also have two cousins teaching 12th - one for private school and one for govt school. NONE of the govt school student make it to these colleges. And the private school teacher is a poor tortured soul. She had to spend more time than the kids at the school - meaning 12 hr days and no weekends as tests are conducted in weekends as well.


This.

People go on about how students are terrible these days and everyone is given a centum. Yet these same kids staff all the world class companies that operate in TN or Bengluru, Hderabad, etc and produce world class product. Very few issues. Elite kids never stay in India or even in technical fields. Sometime back there was a discussion that he highest paying job coming out of IIT is to become a IIT exam coach. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Back in the day no multinational would come to do anything in India and all these elite students ran away as fast as possible. If we have made any progress it was because this sort of paternalistic limitations were removed.

India needs very few elite type students or for that matter meritocratic type students. We don't do much high end research or production. What need are minimally qualified doctors/engineers willing to work for Rs10,000 pm get down to the tiny health clinic out in panruti. These are the vast majority of jobs out there.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Schmidt » 18 Sep 2017 09:38

Theo_Fidel wrote:
Gus wrote:India needs very few elite type students or for that matter meritocratic type students. We don't do much high end research or production. What need are minimally qualified doctors/engineers willing to work for Rs10,000 pm get down to the tiny health clinic out in panruti. These are the vast majority of jobs out there.


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Can't believe the absolute tripe being spewed here

So basically we need an army of low skilled low paid medical coolies acc to this poster

For 10k pm ???

I pay my maid 9k a month for 5 hours of work. Drivers are getting 15-18k below which you won't get any one to work for you

And we want docs / engrs to work for 10k ?

Which world are you living in ?

A nurse / care giver is asking for 20k pm for 8 hrs to take care of elderly people

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby prasannasimha » 18 Sep 2017 09:56

Doctors for 10,000 per month. Do you know that PHD jobs are lying empty for want of takers even at enhanced incentive. Today a Group D worker un Govt service gets much more than what you quote. I cannot believe the tripe that us being spewed.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby prasannasimha » 18 Sep 2017 09:59

The reason most don't join is because of lack of infrastructure in rural areas and good educational facilities for children. Sort those out and people will take those jobs

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Postby Gus » 18 Sep 2017 19:35

Problem is, without looking at history, current issues, agendas at work etc ..Theo just likes to throw some ideas as sarvaroga nivaarani.

the idea that "let them all become engineers, and let the market sort them out"...sounds good in theory, but has led to the current issue of lots of engineers in the bottom who paid too much as fees, did not get an education that suits the marketplace and were unemployable, and then ended up wasting a few years looking around and job hopping at crappy jobs etc, becoming depressed and stuff.

The idea that "why should students be forced to take YET ANOTHER GODDAMN exam in the form of NEET" - sounds good in theory, but in practice - what is going on in the 12th education is evident for anybody who observes students in their 11th and 12th. These people are also forced into depressive cycles, chasing that centum because every single mark can be a huge difference in getting to that coveted subsidized college.

Ideally, we should do away with subsidizing colleges wholesale and politicians distributing the pie - and move to a mechanism of aids, grants, zero/low percent govt loans etc for deserving students who scored admissions but cannot pay for fees. But that will never take on as it will be portrayed as against sammoga neethi and the party that says that will be killed in elections.

the money that goes into subsidizing these elite colleges, should instead be put in govt primary and secondary schools - and let the student decide what path to take, be it the STEM stream, or ITI stream for blue collar work, or arts and humanities or pure sciences etc...whatever they have the aptitude and desire for.

But currently, NO party can take on this and survive an election.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Gus » 23 Sep 2017 01:05

The gaming of 12th marks is so extensive that it is mindboggling

basically, there's a effing blueprint in the sections on how many questions and what weightage from different sections

note that long answers/essay questions - there's a choice of 2/4.

this allows schools to skip an entire section and instead make students practice questions in one section. for ex, physiology can be completely skipped for long answers

and when these "toppers" are asked questions from those sections and the sections they skipped in 11th portions in NEET they get a big fat zero and this is against samooga neethi.

http://www.rejinpaul.com/2013/08/12th-b ... ology.html
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Re: Indian Education System

Postby svenkat » 24 Sep 2017 16:43

Gus wrote:
Ideally, we should do away with subsidizing colleges wholesale and politicians distributing the pie - and move to a mechanism of aids, grants, zero/low percent govt loans etc for deserving students who scored admissions but cannot pay for fees. But that will never take on as it will be portrayed as against sammoga neethi and the party that says that will be killed in elections.

the money that goes into subsidizing these elite colleges, should instead be put in govt primary and secondary schools - and let the student decide what path to take, be it the STEM stream, or ITI stream for blue collar work, or arts and humanities or pure sciences etc...whatever they have the aptitude and desire for.

But currently, NO party can take on this and survive an election.


agree 100%.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby prasannasimha » 25 Sep 2017 10:15

NEET SS is over and guess what suddenly seats in many colleges empty with no takers. Guess how this mad increase in seats were created in the first place ? To sell to the highest bidder. Now that this has been nipped in the bud things will settle just like how there are rotten engineering colleges lying with no admissions. CMC Vellore has made a stunt taking no admissions. Let it stop for a year more and then they will be derecognized . The institķute has become so full of itself. At one time it was the only major institute in that area but now there are umpteen good centers so it has list its sheen and living in LaLa Land

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby V_Raman » 25 Sep 2017 12:20

Sama Cheer Kalvi - I did not realize it has become that bad in TN! I finished by 12th in state board in 1990 - at that time engineering admission was based on 50% math + 25% physics + 25% chemistry adding to 200 and 50 allocated to the entrance test - TNPCEE. The test went many times beyond the book in those days. The books were crap - it will explain an experiment for 2 pages and give the final equation. So our physics teacher taught us the derivation from college text. We actually wrote the derivation in the public exam and got marks for it! All this in a normal, middle class govt. funded private school in Tambaram, Chennai!

Same with Math/Chemistry/Biology - the teachers were awesome and went above and beyond the book. The bio teacher carried her college book to refer and teach - we will write down every word she uttered in our notes!

The relevant lab in Physics/Chemistry/Biology counted for 20 and it was hard to get 20! We had to volunteer in many of these labs, work with the teacher, setup experiments etc. to get the full marks - I did not get it actually!

Man my Tamil teacher will sing the Kamba Ramayanam verses - the class would listen in rapt attention - we enjoyed it so much!

Looks like all that has gone to dumps :-(

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby negi » 25 Sep 2017 12:37

Well Indians love to spend on education so Politicians got into the business :)

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Dipanker » 07 Oct 2017 17:28

Series of reports by NDTV's Ravish Kumar ( in Hindi ) on state of education at universities/colleges, picture is dismal. It is not hard to imagine that situation may not be very different in other states too. It seems while the GDP may have quadrupled in last 25+ years or so, the quality and service in education sector had declined drastically during the same time period.


Decline and fall of Patna University
https://khabar.ndtv.com/video/show/prim ... ity-469444


State of affairs in Uttarakhand
https://khabar.ndtv.com/video/show/prim ... and-469177

Part time, Adhoc teachers
https://khabar.ndtv.com/video/show/prim ... mar-469179

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Dipanker » 10 Oct 2017 03:02

This report (in Hindi) focusses on Bihar, most universities/colleges seem to have far fewer than 50% of the recommended teaching staff, many as low as 20% or even less! Govt. Education system in Bihar seems to have collapsed, those who can't afford private education, their future is mostly doomed.

How will the education standard improve?
https://khabar.ndtv.com/video/show/prim ... try-469635

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Dipanker » 13 Oct 2017 02:58

Another report (in Hindi), this time on Sanskrit universities of Banaras and Darbhanga, they are in complete and utter shambles. Much of this deterioration has happened in last 20 -25 years, post the "economic liberalization".

https://khabar.ndtv.com/video/show/prim ... tem-469892

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Dipanker » 14 Oct 2017 19:41

Modi gets thumbs up for this initiative:

PM Modi announces Rs 10,000-crore package to transform 20 Indian varsities into world class institutions

Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Tuesday announced a corpus of Rs 10,000-crore to be given to top 20 Indian universities for their development, in order to ensure that the top ranking institutions are counted among the best in the world.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Sachin » 14 Oct 2017 19:55

Thumbs up for the Kerala High Court as well..
No place for politics on the campus, says HC :P.
Looks like lots of "revolutionaries" now just roaming around the campus doing multiple B.A and M.A courses have to actually think of upgrading themselves and play politics else where.
Disruption of classes, not student politics, is the problem

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby prasannasimha » 14 Oct 2017 23:42

Break the students unions which are the fountainhead of goondagiri. Make time bound stay in hostels- if you don't pass your exams you are kicked out Stop the allowed to keep term(ATKT and expell students if they cannot clear a semester in more than 4 attempts .
This will automatically clear out all these hooligans. If this 4 semester rule or 50% credit rule for expulsion can be implemented in professional colleges why should it not be applicable in arts ?

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Cosmo_R » 04 Nov 2017 02:23

"SC: Engineering degrees secured since 2001 via correspondence invalid"

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 500295.cms

This is interesting since I know of several individuals representing pretty good US universities who have been providing MS courses that lead to degrees. For example, the University of Illinois at UC.

MA/MS degrees in the US are 'cash flow' items for US universities. Read the course material, complete a proctored exam and voila you have a Masters. After you fork over the $50K in fees.

Even my alma mater Columbia gets into the act. https://cvn.columbia.edu/

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Vayutuvan » 04 Nov 2017 06:33

Cosmo_R, UIUC's distance learning experiment was a failure. The first few graduating classes were good, no doubt. But the university did not make money. AFAIK, it is not there anymore. As it is, they get the second most number of foreign students after USC. UIUC is the most expensive university right now for out-of-state and even for in-state compared to equally good or better in-state engg. schools like Ann Arbor, Georgia Tech, Charlottesville, Austin, and Purdue (which is slightly worse but not by much) than Urbana.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Bob V » 06 Nov 2017 20:03

Cosmo_R wrote:"SC: Engineering degrees secured since 2001 via correspondence invalid"

That's a poor judgement. The judge seems to have failed to understand the difference between a degree obtained via Distance Mode (while attending classes at a study centre) & those via correspondence. I have worked with some very talented juniors, who got their B.Tech from Deemed Universities. They did attend a regular college for 4 years, had labs & practicals etc. just like any other engineering college. The only missing link was the accreditation to AICTE, which I believe was not required by such universities, as these deemed universities were governed by UGC/DEC combine.

The problem here is when you try to equate a Distance Mode education to one obtained via correspondence. That's where this issue started. Apparently the guy who filed appeal in the Odisha HC, had obtained his engineering degree via correspondence, during the course of his employment. :roll: And what's ludicrous is the solution offered by SC - students, from these now black-listed universities, who appeared for the academic sessions from 2001-05 need to appear for a retest, inorder to re-validate their degrees. I mean, how on earth is that possible! Most of the students from that batch would have got suitably employed in some place or the other & would have completed atleast 10-12 years of employment. And for the SC to suddenly go back to the past & cancel the validity of their degrees, is plain nonsense. I don't think that's perfectly legal (you simply cannot annul a past notification, granted by an educational authority - in this case - UGC)

I'm curious as to how these students are going to respond to this judgement. I can sense a class-action lawsuit against UGC/DEC for allowing this to happen, in the first place & also against the University/colleges, for flouting the rules/misleading students with false advertisements.

If this is allowed to pass by, then the next target of courts will be cancellation of all certifications obtained via online courses. :P
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Re: Indian Education System

Postby negi » 06 Nov 2017 21:08

Jokers in SC need to be shafted with babool tree trunk ; there is no sense of justice in de-recognizing a degree unless you first force the relevant institute to pay back the fees with interest and adjusted for inflation and then throw such people behind the bars if this cannot be done then candidate has every right to hold a degree which was valid and legal at the time of him/her taking that course.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Vasu » 04 May 2018 12:55

This looks promising, notwithstanding the typical sensationalist headline from ET. There's been a buzz for quite a while on bringing India's fragmented higher education regime together.

Modi government prepares to change higher education forever in one sweeping strike

Accessed by ET, the draft legislation for setting up a ‘Higher Education Evaluation and Regulation Authority, 2018’ (HEERA) or Higher Education Regulatory Council (HERC), says that once the new regulator is created, existing regulatory authorities such as the University Grants Commission (UGC), All India Council for Technical Education (AICTE) and the National Council for Technical Education (NCTE) will be scrapped.

Signifying a shift in the higher education regulatory regime, this draft Bill calls for a new regulator that will mentor institutes, besides defining academic standards. While it won’t have grant giving powers, HEERA will be armed with zero tolerance mechanisms for violations, including provisions to terminate the affiliation of an institute.

The HEERA Bill says that the new authority will focus on setting quality standards for institutions, specify learning outcomes, lay down standards of teaching assessment and research and evaluate the yearly academic performance of the institutes on clearly laid criteria.

ET has learnt that a number of committees have been set up in the UGC to develop the academic standards and learning outcomes for each course. These will become part of the HEERA regime, sources said.

Central or state government grants to an institute will require that they meet the standards outlined by the HEERA. Funding will be largely vested with the HRD ministry which will release grants based on annual action plans presented by institutes rather than just dole out money.

But there’s still debate over how to bring state universities within the ambit of HEERA, and whether regulation of teacher education institutes should be within its purview.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Karthik S » 24 Jun 2018 17:57

Gurus, just made an observation regarding kids learning math, science and others in English.

Was watching neighbor's toddler, just 1.6 years old. She speaks just a word to convey her message. She understands almost what everything around her is and how it functions, blender, TV, AC etc. She'll learn more things in next couple of years.

But she'll join school and learn science,math etc in a language she doesn't know and understand, can relate to the world around her through that language. That language is English BTW. I see few people in twitter who are vehemently against learning things through English. Now I could understand why so. English can't be learnt at some point, but learning and understanding the world around us using a language that's not a mother tongue, doesn't seem to be a good idea. May be we need to encourage kids to learn other subjects in school using our mother tongues, we can introduce English in 8th grade or so just as a language, just as a means to and end and not the end itself.

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Postby chetak » 24 Jun 2018 18:06

csaurabh wrote:As per my understanding of ground situation in TN and Kerala, all kids were given 100% marks in school exams regardless of their performance. Maybe some of the really poor ones got 90%. This has been going on for a few years now.

Understandably this doesn't work out too well at the national level..


Not really true. Based on state board marks, TN kids are garnering the majority of seats in elite dilli colleges. This has led to massive disgruntlement among the locals who have been knocked out of dilli colleges.

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Postby chetak » 24 Jun 2018 18:12

Karthik S wrote:Gurus, just made an observation regarding kids learning math, science and others in English.

Was watching neighbor's toddler, just 1.6 years old. She speaks just a word to convey her message. She understands almost what everything around her is and how it functions, blender, TV, AC etc. She'll learn more things in next couple of years.

But she'll join school and learn science,math etc in a language she doesn't know and understand, can relate to the world around her through that language. That language is English BTW. I see few people in twitter who are vehemently against learning things through English. Now I could understand why so. English can't be learnt at some point, but learning and understanding the world around us using a language that's not a mother tongue, doesn't seem to be a good idea. May be we need to encourage kids to learn other subjects in school using our mother tongues, we can introduce English in 8th grade or so just as a language, just as a means to and end and not the end itself.


Not taking issue with the mother tongue lobby, it is, however, a fact that multilingual kid's brains wire themselves very differently giving these kids a significant advantage.

The sooner, the better. The choice is with the parents.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby prasannasimha » 24 Jun 2018 18:24

This is not true as children wire up learning different languages skills actually increase !! That is brain plasticity for you

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Karthik S » 24 Jun 2018 18:36

chetak wrote:
Karthik S wrote:Gurus, just made an observation regarding kids learning math, science and others in English.

Was watching neighbor's toddler, just 1.6 years old. She speaks just a word to convey her message. She understands almost what everything around her is and how it functions, blender, TV, AC etc. She'll learn more things in next couple of years.

But she'll join school and learn science,math etc in a language she doesn't know and understand, can relate to the world around her through that language. That language is English BTW. I see few people in twitter who are vehemently against learning things through English. Now I could understand why so. English can't be learnt at some point, but learning and understanding the world around us using a language that's not a mother tongue, doesn't seem to be a good idea. May be we need to encourage kids to learn other subjects in school using our mother tongues, we can introduce English in 8th grade or so just as a language, just as a means to and end and not the end itself.


Not taking issue with the mother tongue lobby, it is, however, a fact that multilingual kid's brains wire themselves very differently giving these kids a significant advantage.

The sooner, the better. The choice is with the parents.


Can you provide any research findings or links where it's been established so?

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Postby Rahul M » 24 Jun 2018 18:55

1 min with google chacha brings this : https://news.uchicago.edu/story/childre ... municators

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby chetak » 24 Jun 2018 19:27

chetak wrote:
csaurabh wrote:As per my understanding of ground situation in TN and Kerala, all kids were given 100% marks in school exams regardless of their performance. Maybe some of the really poor ones got 90%. This has been going on for a few years now.

Understandably this doesn't work out too well at the national level..


Not really true. Based on state board marks, TN kids are garnering the majority of seats in elite dilli colleges. This has led to massive disgruntlement among the locals who have been knocked out of dilli colleges.


This is the status as well as the result of the TN educational system and the state board.


Tamil Nadu students grab up to 80% of seats in SRCC so far


Tamil Nadu students grab 80% seats in premier commerce college

NEW DELHI: An unprecedented 75% to 80% of students who have so far got admission into the prestigious Shri Ram College of Commerce of Delhi University are from Tamil Nadu.

College sources said, after the first two days of admissions, a large number of students from Kerala too had enrolled in the college. SRCC, one of the most sought after colleges in India for commerce education, offers two undergraduate programmes -BCom (H) and Economics -which recorded cutoffs of 98% and 98.25%, respectively. “Between 75% and 80% of candidates we have approved for admissions are from Tamil Nadu. There are others from Kerala Board as well,“ said Anil Kumar, admission incharge, SRCC. DU does not have a system of rationalisation of marks for students coming from state boards. Till Friday evening, SRCC had approved the admissions of 339 candidates post verification of documents and certificates, and forwarded these to the university to facilitate fee payment.

According to college officials, a large number of candidates from Tamil Nadu have been coming for admissions, mostly for BCom (H). The college has never had to face such a situation where candidates from a single state have dominated admissions to such an extent, said an SRCC official. The highest scorer to have secured a seat this year is from Kerala board. She is Elizabeth Thomas, with a best of four aggregate of 100%. We have one more day to go for the first cutoff admissions and in case of seats remaining unfilled, we will have a subsequent list or two, which could bring in students from other states,“ Kumar said. Explaining why such a large number of students from Tamil Nadu got admission this year, an SRCC faculty member said, “This year, students from Tamil Nadu board have scored very high marks. The number of students with an aggregate of 99% and above is also the highest in that board. It is, therefore, natural for them to be ahead in the competition.“

For certain state boards the exams are much easier than other boards and valuation is also liberal. So more students from these boards get admission to prestigious colleges.

“The good news in all this is that now students from Tamil Nadu too think Delhi is the right place for higher studies,“ the faculty member said.

It's not SRCC alone that's seeing a rush of students from the South. Quite a few have also sought admission in Miranda House. Pratibha Jolly, principal of the college, said, “A departure this year so far has been the high number of students were getting from Andhra Pradesh and Telangana.“


and the disastrous result

State Syllabus Outdated, Unused to rigour, TN students-suffer in Delhi's-SRCC College.

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Postby Karthik S » 24 Jun 2018 19:52

Rahul M wrote:1 min with google chacha brings this : https://news.uchicago.edu/story/childre ... municators


Well 1 min read tells the article states exposure to other languages leads improvement in social skills such as communication, that too it states just exposure would do. I am talking about learning critical subjects such as physics, biology, mathematics etc. Where kids can relate directly to stuff rather than translate meaning from English to their native tongue and then understand. Understanding, instead of simply byhearting and regurgitating the same in the exam.

It seems natural that you'd understand things when you learn using the language you are exposed to since you are born. On one hand we learn English and simultaneously we learn other subjects in English while we are still learning the language.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby chetak » 24 Jun 2018 20:33

Karthik S wrote:
Rahul M wrote:1 min with google chacha brings this : https://news.uchicago.edu/story/childre ... municators


Well 1 min read tells the article states exposure to other languages leads improvement in social skills such as communication, that too it states just exposure would do. I am talking about learning critical subjects such as physics, biology, mathematics etc. Where kids can relate directly to stuff rather than translate meaning from English to their native tongue and then understand. Understanding, instead of simply byhearting and regurgitating the same in the exam.

It seems natural that you'd understand things when you learn using the language you are exposed to since you are born. On one hand we learn English and simultaneously we learn other subjects in English while we are still learning the language.


A whole lot of Indians in India think in english.

If you ever need to know, watch them counting something, it is then that most people unconsciously count aloud and also revert to their mother tongue or the language that they are most familiar with.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Sachin » 26 Jun 2018 15:29

Karthik S wrote: I am talking about learning critical subjects such as physics, biology, mathematics etc. Where kids can relate directly to stuff rather than translate meaning from English to their native tongue and then understand.

chetak wrote:A whole lot of Indians in India think in english.

The problem which Karthik mentioned, IMHO would hit kids who for many years have been in a school which relied on more of mother tongue based learning. When such students gets suddenly put in an English medium school, they would get a very rude surprise. Their brain would now have to master English first, and then use the new skills to understand other subjects.

Chetak sir, is right that today many of us actually "think in English". In my small home town it was small nursery school which first brought in this concept of "you have to think in English, to speak/write in English". The founder of the school was hounded by many local intellectual, leftist/commie low life in town. But it was this simple philosophy which helped folks like me. Today many folks (from my generation) actually think in their mother tongue and then try to do a quick translation of that to English.

So perhaps if a parent has a long term plan to send his kids to a school which uses English as a medium to teach other subjects, it would be better to send the kid to schools which helps them "think in English". "Thinking in English" often gets misinterpreted as "Thinking like a Britisher" (non-Indian), and that has to be corrected.

PS: My daughter is now slowly getting into the mode of "think in Kannada", before translating that into Malayalam ;). But looks like learning languages is not a problem for kids like her at all. At five she speaks Kannada just like a local kid (of her age), a decent level of Malayalam, some Hindi (TV influence) and English (picked up from school). And like how I change channels on my walkie-talkie, she quickly changes the language she speaks based on the intended listener.
PPS: May be off-topic, what irritates me is often the very poor attempt of people to speak in English, with a very inferior feeling that they need to speak in English to appear "modern & sophisticated". It is often these folks who also try to suppress their kids in speaking their own mother tongue, discourage them to read books in their mother tongue etc.

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Postby Vasu » 04 Jul 2018 16:17

Higher education in India gets a Rs 8,000 crore boost

To increase investment in higher educational institutions, the Union Cabinet today approved a proposal for expanding the scope of Higher Education Financing Agency (HEFA) by expanding its capital base to Rs 10,000 crore and tasking it to mobilise Rs 1 trillion by 2022.

“At that time its authorised capital was ₹ 2,000 crore and now it has been increased to ₹ 10,000 crore,” Prasad said adding that earlier central government universities and other new varsities didn’t get advantage of HEFA but in today’s cabinet meeting, it was decided that they can utilise this fund.

In his Union Budget 2018, the then finance minister Arun Jaitley had announced a new initiative of the government—‘‘Revitalising Infrastructure and Systems in Education (RISE)”—to step up investments in research and related infrastructure in premier educational institutions, including health institutions. HEFA, a joint venture company of Canara Bank and Ministry of Human Resource Development which provides financial assistance for creation of educational infrastructure and R&D in India’s premier higher educational Institutions, was tasked to fund this initiative.


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Postby Vips » 04 Jul 2018 18:59

Inspired by Super 30, ‘Jindagi’ realising dreams of medical aspirants in Odisha.

He could not become a doctor himself but is now pulling out all stops to ensure that others fare better. This year, 18 students from Odisha made it to medical school thanks to the initiative of Ajay Bahadur Singh, who once sold tea for a living but now imparts free medical education to 20 underprivileged students at a time.

His inspiration? Anand Kumar’s famed Super 30 in Patna, which mentors students from underprivileged sections of the society for entrance into the prestigious Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs).

Recalling the eight-year journey of his Jindagi (Life) campaign, Singh told IANS: “I started the initiative in 2010. Initially, two-three students came for coaching and students started qualifying for a medical college in 2012. This year, 18 students have been selected in the medical entrance examination.”

Every year, Jindagi provides boarding, lodging and coaching to 20 students free of cost. Singh said he started the initiative as he could not become a doctor due to poverty. “My father was an engineer and he aspired to make me a doctor. But as luck would have it, he had a kidney problem and we have to sell our properties for a kidney transplant. I had to sell tea and other stuff for my family’s sustenance. So, I could not become a doctor,” said Singh, who belongs to Deoghar in Jharkhand but settled in Bhubaneswar in 2005.

The Jindagi initiative is now being viewed as a novel initiative not only in Bhubaneswar but in the whole Odisha. “The experience has been wonderful so far. Anand Kumar’s Super 30 initiative has been an inspiration for many across the world and I also tried to make a beginning. It is really an amazing experience to help poor students from underprivileged sections of the society come up the ladder and join the mainstream. The joy is bigger than what wealth can give. I and my team are fully devoted to this cause and the successes have only motivated us to work harder,” Singh added.

Students who joined Jindagi to reach a medical college have inspirational stories of how they overcame life’s trials and tribulations to reach this far with a little bit of help and guidance. Till a couple of years ago, Twinkle Sahu sold flowers outside Jagannath temple to help her father, Madan Mohan Sahu, who sold eggs. But the meagre income made it tough. Twinkle, however, had a strong desire to be a doctor, though she knew it was tough.

One day, Singh saw the girl selling flowers outside the temple and that stuck in his mind. The girl had flowers in one hand and a book in the other. When Singh enquired about this, Twinkle’s dreams rolled out in the form of tears.

“I faced innumerable difficulties in life. We are poverty stricken. But my desire and the help of Jindagi has helped me to qualify in the medical entrance test,” Twinkle told IANS. Santosh Nahak, too, has a similar story. His father, Nitai Nahak, is a farm labourer. Steeped in poverty, the family barely survived.

“About the time I passed Plus Two (Class 12), my father became paralysed, affecting the family livelihood. At that time, I thought of becoming a doctor to treat such patients. But my studies were affected. However, I did not give up and hope to be a doctor with Jindagi’s help,” Nahak told IANS.

How does the initiative work on the ground?

Even though Singh has completed his graduation he does not impart the coaching, which is done by a team of 15-20 teachers. The funds for Jindagi come from the +2 Adyanta Science College affiliated to the Odisha government, that the group runs. They collect fees from about 600 students studying in the college and use a part of this to run Jindagi.

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Supratik » 07 Jul 2018 22:50

Only 6 institutes to be conferred Institutes of Eminence.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... n&from=mdr

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Re: Indian Education System

Postby Supratik » 09 Jul 2018 19:37

The 6 institutes are IIT Bom,Del, IISc Bnglore. Jio Reliance, Manipal, BITS Pilani.


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