China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 29 Mar 2018 19:36

kit wrote:
chola wrote:
It is the PERFECT strategy if no one is willing to go to war with them. We had 10 divisions versus their 3 brigades and about 300 planes within striking distance of the border versus their 12 J-10/J-11s in Tibet during Doklam.

We should have crushed them.

But no war? The J-20 and FC-31 (no J because it is not a PLAAF project) can be world beaters since no one is willing to take them to task.


Chinese 6th gen = US 41/2 gen . .. may not even equal US 5th gen if a trade war hots up and access to tech companies get limited


Again, if you don’t fight them then whatever generation they claim works for them.

Read some of the USN reports out there, the number of aircraft and ships being pumped out simply cannot be crewed properly. That’s why we have 21 J-10Cs stacked at Chengdu for an operational type with units that should be ready to accept them. When you launch 60 frigates and corvettes in rapid succession, you will not be able to train enough people. Even more than the questionable specs, the PLA is stretched thin with this expansion and almost certainly horribly trained.

But questionable training and questionable technology levels mean chit during peacetime because they can still be used to create presence on the ground and create de facto control and jurisdiction for the PRC.

You can only make them pay for lying about 5th or 6th gen stealth fighters by actually fighting them. Otherwise, whatever they say works for them because no one can prove otherwise and their numbers can still impose jurisdiction during peace time.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby kit » 29 Mar 2018 20:00

Singha wrote:china staged a larga ship of the line exercise in SCS on march27. satellite photos

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chin ... SKBN1H3135



Enforcing Xi s " not ceding an inch " ..presumably aimed at Taiwan

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 01 Apr 2018 14:57

https://offiziere.ch/?p=33231

more analysis of the flag march by nearly 50 warships and unknown number of submarines near hainan island/paracel island .... aimed at taiwan and manila

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Mukesh.Kumar » 01 Apr 2018 17:33

While on the topic of China using AI. If not autonomous vehicles, at least they are planning on reducing work loads and enhancing sensor interpretation.

China’s plan to use artificial intelligence to boost the thinking skills of nuclear submarine commanders

China is working to update the rugged old computer systems on nuclear submarines with artificial intelligence to enhance the potential thinking skills of commanding officers, a senior scientist involved with the programme told the South China Morning Post.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 02 Apr 2018 03:16

Singha wrote:https://offiziere.ch/?p=33231

more analysis of the flag march by nearly 50 warships and unknown number of submarines near hainan island/paracel island .... aimed at taiwan and manila


They are flooding the area because of Amreeki FON (Freedom of Navigation) tours. Every American passage challenges chini control but they won’t go to war to stop them so they fill the sea in the wake of the USN to re-establish jurisdiction.

Fifty is an insanely high number of surface vessels if they are all corvettes and above.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 02 Apr 2018 03:21

According to posts on the Paki site:

the 100th and 279th separate naval fighter aircraft regiments of the Northern Fleet aviation of the Russian Navy, whose flights from the deck became impossible due to the only Russian heavy aircraft carrier "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov" being in the repair
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In view of this, the Russian side appealed to the Ministry of Defense of the PRC with a request to conduct "training" tours of Russian ship pilots on the almost identical Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning for the time of repair of "Admiral Kuznetsov ".
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Chinese side has responded positively to this request and now detailed negotiations are underway, for which a group of Russian military specialists arrived in China at the beginning of the year. The agreement will be concluded on a commercial basis with the participation of Rosoboronexport. Presumably, Russian pilots will arrive in China in groups of four or six pilots on their planes (Su-33 and MiG-29KR / CUBR) and make a number of take-offs and landings on them on the deck of "Liaoning". The article notes that for both sides this will also be a good way of getting familiarized with the procedures and peculiarities of the actions of ship aviation - even though the Chinese naval aviation "arose from the same nest."

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby kit » 02 Apr 2018 03:49

Mukesh.Kumar wrote:While on the topic of China using AI. If not autonomous vehicles, at least they are planning on reducing work loads and enhancing sensor interpretation.

China’s plan to use artificial intelligence to boost the thinking skills of nuclear submarine commanders

China is working to update the rugged old computer systems on nuclear submarines with artificial intelligence to enhance the potential thinking skills of commanding officers, a senior scientist involved with the programme told the South China Morning Post.


probably because there are not many of them :(( .. and not much to speak of the ones around :lol:

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Austin » 04 Apr 2018 17:07

Chinese defense chief says his trip to Russia is a signal to the US

Gen. Wei Fenghe, China's new defense minister, gave the remarks in Moscow following a meeting with Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu, according to Russian state news agency TASS.

"I am visiting Russia as a new defense minister of China to show the world a high level of development of our bilateral relations and firm determination of our armed forces to strengthen strategic cooperation," Wei said.

"The Chinese side has come (to Moscow) to show Americans the close ties between the armed forces of China and Russia ... we've come to support you."
Wei added that Beijing is ready to express with Moscow "our common concerns and common position on important international problems at international venues as well."

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 05 Apr 2018 12:00

http://www.atimes.com/article/carrier-b ... -pla-navy/

working on a range of naval uav, both fixed wing and rotary

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby dinesha » 05 Apr 2018 14:14

How Was China's Tiangong-1 Space Station Crash Tracked So Accurately?
https://www.space.com/40168-china-space ... cking.html
But the precision of the times given by China in particular raises an intriguing possibility, McDowell added: "I was very surprised that the Chinese knew when it came down. That's very interesting. What I think this means … is that the first Chinese missile-warning satellite is actually operational now," he said. "They launched it a year or so ago, and it's a big infrared satellite in geostationary orbit, and I'm betting that that's how they knew it came down."

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby shiv » 05 Apr 2018 17:50

Pls read thread
https://twitter.com/IBMcCaslin/status/9 ... 6222893058

Cheeni unguided bomb practice because they may not have enough guided ones...

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby kit » 05 Apr 2018 18:03

dinesha wrote:How Was China's Tiangong-1 Space Station Crash Tracked So Accurately?
https://www.space.com/40168-china-space ... cking.html
But the precision of the times given by China in particular raises an intriguing possibility, McDowell added: "I was very surprised that the Chinese knew when it came down. That's very interesting. What I think this means … is that the first Chinese missile-warning satellite is actually operational now," he said. "They launched it a year or so ago, and it's a big infrared satellite in geostationary orbit, and I'm betting that that's how they knew it came down."


http://www.spaceflightinsider.com/missions/defense/china-sends-an-experimental-satellite-into-space-on-a-secretive-launch/

Japanese media reported recently that China is working to establish a missile early-warning capability to be coupled with a ground-based radar system for advance warnings and defense capabilities. The reports were based on Chinese military documents that referred to the development of an experimental early-warning satellite program.

The Long March 3B rocket used on Saturday’s launch is China’s most powerful launch vehicle. The 180 ft. (58.8 m) rocket is capable of delivering 12 metric tons of payload to a low-Earth orbit (LEO) and up to 5.1 metric tons to a GTO.

https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/spacecraftDisplay.do?id=2015-046A

NSSDCA/COSPAR ID: 2015-046A

Description
A super-secretive satellite was launched by China from the Xichang Satellite Launch Center on Saturday. Launch of the unknown spacecraft – unofficially claimed to be the Communications Engineering Test Satellite -1 (TXJSSY-1) – took place at 15:42 UTC using a Long March-3B (Chang Zheng-3B) rocket,

https://www.chinaspaceflight.com/satellite/tongxin/tongxinjishushiyan-1/txjssy1-launch.html

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby ArjunPandit » 06 Apr 2018 17:30

Chinese Hackers hack the mod website

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

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ArjunPandit wrote:Chinese Hackers hack the mod website



More like writing grafitti on someones compound wall ,,dont bother

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Vips » 07 Apr 2018 19:00

Japan activates first marines since WW2 to bolster defenses against China.

The formation of the Japanese marine brigade is controversial because amphibious units can project military force and could, critics warn, be used to threaten Japan’s neighbours.

The brigade is the latest component of a growing marine force that includes helicopter carriers, amphibious ships, Osprey tilt-rotor troop carriers and amphibious assault vehicles, meant to deter China as it pushes for easier access to the Western Pacific.

The activation of the 2,100 strong ARDB takes Japan a step closer to creating a force similar to a US Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU) able to plan and execute operations at sea far from its home base.

“They’ve already demonstrated the ability to put together an ad hoc MEU. But to have a solid, standing MEU capability requires concerted effort,” Grant Newsham, a research fellow at the Japan Forum for Strategic Studies.

“If Japan put its mind to it, within a year or year and a half it could have a reasonable capability.”

Newsham, who helped train Japan’s first amphibious troops as a US Marine Corps colonel liaison officer assigned to the Ground Self Defense Force (GSDF), said Japan still needs a joint navy-army amphibious headquarters to coordinate operations as well as more amphibious ships to carry troops and equipment.

Japanese military planners are already mulling some of those additions. Its Air Self Defense Force (ASDF) wants to acquire F-35Bs to operate from its Izumo and Ise helicopter carriers, or from islands along the East China Sea, sources have told Reuters.

Separately the GSDF may acquire small amphibious ships up to a 100 meters (328.08 ft) long to transport troops and equipment between islands and from ship to shore, two sources familiar with the discussion said. Japanese ground forces have not operated their own ships since World War Two.


All the Japanese need to announce now is the plan to acquire 3-4 aircraft carriers with at least 60,000 tons displacement and the chinese would literally shit in their pants.

Powerful US in the far pacific, Newly armed Japan in the East China Sea region and India in the IOR would be nightmare scenario for the chinese.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Rakesh » 07 Apr 2018 19:09

kit wrote:
ArjunPandit wrote:Chinese Hackers hack the mod website

More like writing grafitti on someones compound wall ,,dont bother

MoD states that their website was not hacked.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby kit » 08 Apr 2018 21:39

Rakesh wrote:
kit wrote:More like writing grafitti on someones compound wall ,,dont bother

MoD states that their website was not hacked.


also interesting to note quite a few of Indian defense websites went offline for a while in that time period.. something happened, we may never know

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 08 Apr 2018 21:49

Japan can do two things
- invest in land attack cruise missiles off more of their good submarines
- for showbaazi and deflating of H&D purposes build a few Izumo++ LHD ships packed with JSF-B

they have plenty of land based bases but a flag march through unruly mohallas at sea needs a carrier or SSBN to hold the flag for the contingent :)

and go nuclear ... though that will get hardly any public support .... unless the chinese commit some atrocity. covertly they might have some of their own or 'leased' US weapons but publicly they need to wave the dharmic flag.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby kancha » 09 Apr 2018 11:22

Folks, posted a thread on twitter on the Chinese peacekeepers running away under fire in South Sudan in July 2015. One of the few documented instances of the performance of the PLA in actual operations in recent past.
Do have a look

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Austin » 09 Apr 2018 18:00

The first images of the Chinese stealth bomber H-20

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The Chinese magazine Aerospace knowledge showed fist image stealth bomber H-20

The new aircraft is being constructed since 2008 at the Shanghai Aviation Design and Research Institute (SADRI). The main task of developers is to reduce the radar visibility, and therefore use stealth technology. In appearance, the new aircraft is a "flying wing."

http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/mags/magazi ... gazine.htm

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Vineetmehta_del » 09 Apr 2018 18:13

kit wrote:
Rakesh wrote:MoD states that their website was not hacked.


also interesting to note quite a few of Indian defense websites went offline for a while in that time period.. something happened, we may never know


Their servers were being updated, something went wrong that time. No hacking.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Sid » 09 Apr 2018 21:04

Austin wrote:The first images of the Chinese stealth bomber H-20


The Chinese magazine Aerospace knowledge showed fist image stealth bomber H-20

The new aircraft is being constructed since 2008 at the Shanghai Aviation Design and Research Institute (SADRI). The main task of developers is to reduce the radar visibility, and therefore use stealth technology. In appearance, the new aircraft is a "flying wing."

http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/mags/magazi ... gazine.htm


Looks more like NG YF-23 to me, and is definitely not a flying wing design.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby brar_w » 09 Apr 2018 21:25

It is an iteration of the concept art that has been doing the rounds for quite some time now and appears to be similar to one of the designs shortlisted but never produced on the US ATF program decades ago.

https://thediplomat.com/2015/07/china-w ... ic-bomber/

Here is the Lockheed design that was part of the ATF trade-space :

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http://www.codeonemagazine.com/f22_arti ... tem_id=180

The ATF program manager's book has more iterations of this design which match this even more.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby AdityaM » 10 Apr 2018 21:01

China's Nuclear-Capable Air-Launched Ballistic Missile

The CH-AS-X-13, meanwhile, is a two-stage, solid-fuel ballistic missile with a 3,000 kilometer range;



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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby shiv » 11 Apr 2018 08:36

New video
Chinese dominance over the Spratly Islands - a warning for India
https://youtu.be/Jiuoo1Ggb-U

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby rkhanna » 12 Apr 2018 12:23

Dont know if it has been posted here.

China seems to be working on a Bomber Carried Ballistic Missile (Air to Ground) using the H-8 as a launch platform to target Carriers

"China, however, may already be working on a way to offset any progress the Navy might be making. New images have surfaced on Chinese social media, and they seem to show a People’s Liberation Air Force’s Xian H-6 bomber converted to carry one specific weapon: China’s formidable DF-21D anti-ship ballistic missile."

https://sofrep.com/101815/new-images-su ... d-against/

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby pankajs » 12 Apr 2018 12:45

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A medium-range ballistic missile, the DF-21D was designed to house conventional (non-nuclear) munitions and be fired from mobile, ground-based launchers, and like other conventional ballistic missiles of its type, it follows an arcing trajectory that takes it into the earth’s atmosphere before closing in on its target at hypersonic velocities. There are a number of elements of the DF-21D’s design, however, that make it particularly difficult to intercept, even if you believe in the infallibility touted by the United States regarding their missile defense apparatus (though there is very little evidence to support that bravado).

In particular, the reentry vehicle on the DF-21D possesses the ability to maneuver dynamically to avoid intercept as it closes with its target at an extremely steep descent angle. It’s also, at least theoretically, capable of targeting large vessels in the vast expanses of the open sea. As large as an aircraft carrier may seem when you’re alongside one, even “4.5 acres of sovereign American territory” amounts to a pinhole of a target in the massive Pacific.

Nice analysis! What Americans claim is bravado but Chinese theoretical claim becomes fact!

Wah! Wah! subhanarrrrrrra ... massaarrrrrrra .. jazakarrrrra...

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby brar_w » 12 Apr 2018 15:22

Of relevance here are the Type-2 and Type-3 MRBM target development efforts.

https://www.mda.mil/global/documents/pdf/targets.pdf

Do note, that much of the DF-21 and the concepts they have latched on too are offshoots of the Pershing-II effort from the late 1980s which was one of the reasons we have INF in the first place. In fact, Pershing-II has been often used as a benchmark for the DF-21 even when academics have published their assessment of the Chinese missile system. Besides the P-II which we know was used in the various target programs after INF, they have been experimenting and flight testing HGVs for 30-40 years now. It is mind boggling to think that they have not actually incorporated some of those capabilities to simulate threat systems which would be a logical thing to do.

http://pershingmissile.org/PershingDocu ... 6-10-1.pdf

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby chola » 13 Apr 2018 06:15

I watched this a week ago with my wife. It was suggested by a friend of ours from the Street whose wife is tenured at NYU. It had a great impact on me.



The film is call “Youth” and is about a PLA propaganda theater company going through the changes of China during the 1970s and onward.

It is a broken love story of two members of the troupe. The emphasis is on broken.

What amazed me was this picture focused on all the ills we can imagined with Cheen: members of the troupe had their fathers dying in the re-education camps during the Cultural Revolution, the pettiness of cadres punishing those underneath them, the oppressive prudishness under Leninist purity (the girls in the dance troop are lithe and gorgeous but let’s pretend they are anything but sexual) and the corruption that permeates the whole sordid system.

It also showed its one battle scene from the Sino-Vietnamese war in the late 1970s. The male protagonist lost his entire unit to Vietnamese enemies he could hardly see. His female counterpart lost her mind caring for the wounded in the trauma unit.

Then after the war, the veteran who lost his arm in the war is blackmailed by corrupt police for a payoff.

This one film made me understand how a soviet commie system is able cast off all its tenets and go headfirst into being a mercantile, capitalistic trading power. Something that should not have been reconcilable. But it was in Cheen.

This film taught me that the PRC is willing to look at its past. All the f—ed up things depicted in the flick got through their censors. It might not be willing to atone and compensate for its actions but it is willing to look at what was/is wrong and fix them.

I think this makes them a much more formidable foe than the average soviet dictatorship.

It is really worth watching if we want to look at the mindset of the PRC. After all, they have no problem watching our films (IKhan’s Hindi Medium is the latest B’Wood flick to make more money in Cheen than in Bharat.) And that gives them an intelligence edge unless we do the same.

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Postby Singha » 13 Apr 2018 07:15

Cnn

CNN) — China has held its largest military drills in the hotly contested South China Sea, according to the country's Defense Ministry, culminating in a naval parade Thursday overseen by Chinese President Xi Jinping.
At least 10,000 personnel took part in the drills, which involved 48 naval vessels and 76 fighter jets, the ministry said.
Speaking aboard the Chinese destroyer Changsha, Xi called for further modernization of the country's navy into a "world-class force" and emphasized the Chinese Communist Party's leadership over the military.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Singha » 13 Apr 2018 07:16

So the flag march picked up in satellie pix was rehearsing for this

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Austin » 13 Apr 2018 09:59

Many Pics of Chinese Parade https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3156241.html

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby shiv » 13 Apr 2018 14:02

Austin wrote:Many Pics of Chinese Parade https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3156241.html

Clearly publicity - and top notch photographers are part of the plan. This is something that Indian's must learn

This image is clearly photoshopped
https://imgprx.livejournal.net/29e28b0b ... PQibiUEjhw

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Kartik » 17 Apr 2018 02:20

New image of the J-31/FC-31 prototype.

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and J-20 in primer. The fuselage side weapons bay is visible.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby Thakur_B » 17 Apr 2018 08:09

shiv wrote:
Austin wrote:Many Pics of Chinese Parade https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3156241.html

Clearly publicity - and top notch photographers are part of the plan. This is something that Indian's must learn

This image is clearly photoshopped
https://imgprx.livejournal.net/29e28b0b ... PQibiUEjhw


As far as official / semi-official releases of press material is considered, Russian photographers are the best. Back before mp.net forum got taken down due to DMCA notices, the Russian military multimedia thread was the single most awesome thread on the internet for military hardware from Russia. Maybe it's the clear skies and the crisp air that provides the perfect photography conditions, but those guys are good.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby shiv » 17 Apr 2018 10:59

Odd looking complex mechanism for mainwheel door. The "Yaaaaaah" tongue hanging down (seen in white) has a semicircular slot which sits on the retracted tyre. That "yaaah" door hinges up to close at least part, if not all of the wheel bay. Then what is that other door doing sitting behind the wheel bay?

Kartik wrote:and J-20 in primer. The fuselage side weapons bay is visible.

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Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Postby rajsunder » 18 Apr 2018 00:32

chola wrote:Did the chini fix their J-10 widowmaker by altering its Russian engine?

http://m.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2137373/china-irons-out-high-altitude-jet-fighter-engine-faults

Chinese military releases video of aircraft on smooth runs in country’s mountainous southwest, suggesting advances to problem-plagued AL-31F engines

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The jets are part of China’s fleet of third-generation lightweight multi-role fighter aircraft and are powered by Russian AL-31F engines.

Military observers said the engines had previously lost power above 3,000 metres, leading to a string of accidents.

In September 2015, a J-10 from the former Shenyang Military Region crashed on a night patrol when the plane climbed above 3,350 metres, state-run China Central Television reported. The pilot ejected to safety.


So the Al-31 flames out at 3K meters? We have the same issues with the MKI?

It would suck if they fixed their russkie engines while we haven’t ours.


chola wrote:
Indranil wrote:Thoda aaram pharmao yaar. Somebody wrote a crappy article that J-10 could not fly over 3000 mtrs and you believed it. Then you extrapolated it to the Su-30MKI as well. Learn to sift crap from the rest. 3,000 mtrs is really low for an aircraft.



Yeah, you’re right Saar. I’m Amreeki educated and can’t do metric system conversion. Mango brain just put two and two together — J-10 always crashing and our MKI also fly with Al-31.


As per WIKI chacha.
The AL-31FN is based on the AL-31F which was designed for a twin engine aircraft such as the Su-27, to fit the smaller J-10 the engine parts have been moved and re-designed to fit the smaller engine bay in the J-10

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Let me guess J-16D a Flanker derivative which is the most potent weapon? A Russian Su-35100% reverse Engineered indigenous developed aircraft . Chinese trolls 5 years ago used to state China is so advanced that it never import the Su-35 since thier 100 % indigenous J-20 will rings round it. Now suddenly a J-16D ( off course no relation to Su-35 :rotfl: :rotfl: ) is thier most potent aircraft after Russia has sold them SU-35.

No wonder Pakis have learnt to import paint green and claim indigenous development.


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