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Is Pakistan Heading Into Chaos, As Per This Paki- Anal-ist :roll:

Indian Foreign Policy: Pakistan’s Apprehensions
Prof. Shahid Zubair
April 8, 2018
Another alarming comment has most recently come from ex-President of Afghanistan, Hamid Karzai who has revealed that ISIS (Daesh) is in Afghanistan and it receives weapons from US. This is like pouring fuel upon fire as President of the greatest super power during its election campaign had already spoken against Muslims and especially castigated Iran as a terrorist sponsor. The reason is obvious because not only Hizbullah supported by Iran is the only force which had been victorious against Israel but also Iranian Minister of Foreign Affairs, Javad Zarif, succeeded in documenting an agreement about nuclear use for peaceful purposes with the US which President Trump does not seem in mood to carry through. There were times when Muslim states of Pakistan, Iran, Iraq and Turkey were treated as highly reliable friends. Now the scenario has changed. India has replaced Muslim states and is designated as US a strategic partner. It has been given a specific role in the strategy. India has accepted this role as it provides an opportunity to kill two birds with one stone; China and Pakistan. If the US has forgotten sacrifices of 70,000 Pakistanis, ( What ! Only 70,000 this time ) then Pakistan is certainly in a precarious situation.
Much encouraged by this role given to India, it has started not only to isolate but to further cut Pakistan into pieces as referred above. This situation demands deep thinking because if China as hegemon is a threat for India, then India as hegemon is a threat for the countries in its periphery. Indian terrorist activities against Pakistan have therefore ulterior motive. Modi’s and James Mattis’ new rhetoric that CPEC goes through a disputed area of Baltistan reflects not only their hatred towards Pakistan but rivalry against China also. :roll:
The third concern for Pakistan is India’s relations with Far-East. Rajiv Gandhi’s focus on higher technology in 1986 and Indian objective of joining ‘Association of South East Asian Nations (ASEAN)’ in 1992 was to develop trade. It was in fact to achieve balance of power with China. But the policy developed into two-edged weapon when it joined hands with US policy. On one hand, the objective was to campaign against Pakistan and nullify the feelings about the Indian part in the intrigue about East Pakistan acknowledged by PM Narendra Modi referred above. As noted elsewhere also, Paki paranoia about India is limitless !
he last point of concern is Indian PM’s shenanigans towards Pakistan’s relations with the Middle Eastern Muslim states. With Iran, India’s business touches the figure of $100 billion dollars while Pakistan’s is only one billion dollars although road and train links are easily available. Dubai is a favourite haunt of Indians. It is a place where Indians’ utmost desire is to replace Pakistani employees even if they have to accept jobs on much lower salaries. On his journey way back from Washington on April 2, 2016, the Indian PM Narendra Modi arrived in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia on two days visit to talk with King Salman about the sensitive issue of terrorism and radicalisation, Indians working in Saudi Arabia, oil and possibility of business prospects. He "forgot" to mention the recent statement of the UAE Minister Of Security comparing Indians and Pakistanis. And of course, how Modiji's Abu Dhabi visit resulted in the announcement of the First Hindu Temple there . Surely these also should be considered " Anti Pakistan" gestures from the Ummah countries. :mrgreen:
The purpose of giving miniature picture of international political panorama is to point out that Pakistan seems to be caught up in a quagmire, internally as well as externally, and heading towards chaos. What to talk of war, Pakistan cannot face sanctions as its economic position at this point in time is in precarious condition. Political polarisation at this level has never existed before. Leadership gap is extreme. Perhaps Pakistan in particular and Muslims in general have not yet been able to understand regional and international one item agenda with lots of sub-items. To handle the problems carefully and sensibly, firstly, the internal tug of turf war must immediately be stopped. All of Pakistani institutions should come at once on one page and accept the Pakistan constitution as the guide when it comes to description of powers. Problems are solved on the negotiating tables carrying along the good will of people. The two famous sayings which everyone knows are: (1) Union is strength (2) God helps those who help themselves. What about the "role of the Deep State" in all of this . Are they going to be "on board" :twisted:
Secondly, Prime Minister Abbasi must constitute a team taken from relevant institutions, whose members negotiate, thrash, and debate the problems so as to talk directly with the relevant US authorities based on facts and solid arguments and not as hearsay. Well prepared team knows what to talk and what not to talk. It can answer the critical questions and arguments by the US in a realistic, rational, logical and cordial manner with extensive proof and evidence. Best of the best, and none of the schrulle, must be in the team such as genuine scholars, politicians both from the opposition and government, retired civil and military bureaucrats. To name a few to show the calibre, status and competence; Sartaj Aziz, Khushid Mahmud Kasuri, Mushahid Hussain, Maleha Lodhi, Shah Mehmud Qureshi and retired generals with a good head on their shoulders. So, he is in favour of implementing the "technocratic solution" as proposed by Mush and the paranoid Zahid Hamid of Brasstacks "fame" :D
Remember, negotiation table is war arena and it is a matter of high national security. Their services can be borrowed from the opposition parties and institutions as President Nixon borrowed Henry Kissinger’s services form Democrat Party of US. :roll: Is the comparison valid here ?


The writer is a senior analyst and an educationist based in Lahore.
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Falijee wrote:Women's Empowerment In Pakistan Bearing Fruit . :roll: Paki Imaam Under The Gun !

Video of mother beating Imaam for abusing her little daughter goes viral :D
It's not about women empowerment in lalaland. Obviously staged/pre-arranged. Part of a deal between the family and the mullah. Mother gets to whack the mullah with a stick a few times and in exchange he does not get reported to the cops for whatever he did to the little girl.
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All is forgiven. What's a beating or two between iron brothers, anyway.

Chinese engineers invite Pakistan police to share meal , 'apologize' for misbehavior
Obviously, orders from the polit-bureau. Here: beatee and beater break bread. Look at the joy written all over the paki thulla's face.

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Chinese engineers who provoked social media storm last week and drew strong criticism over their manhandling of Pakistani police have reportedly apologized.
The pictures seemed more offensive to some people as they thought the Chinese national appeared to show no regard for Pakistan's flag that was printed on the vehicle right under his feet.
Chinis cons disrespect the malsic flag and they get to live. What has the paki awaam come to these days?

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/30201 ... isbehavior
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Some Gup-Shup About The Mush Regime - As Disclosed By His Ex Crony !

Musharraf sent Shujaat to Dr Qadeer for seeking apology
ISLAMABAD: An autobiography of former prime minister and Pakistan Muslim League-Q (PML-Q) President Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain says the then-government of Mian Nawaz Sharif could have been saved if Nawaz had not ordered diversion of the plane of the then Chief of Army Staff General Pervez Musharraf. IMO, Ganja's days were numbered. If not the plane diversion, something else would have triggered the coup.
The book, titled 'Sach To Hai' scheduled to be launched on April 10, carries many revealing details. There is a mention of a meeting held in November 1999 wherein then-chiefs of intelligence agencies sworn on the Holy Quran that they would not disclose to any quarters about the meeting in which decision about extrajudicial killings in Karachi and Punjab was taken. Swearing on the Book, does not meet anything. As has been shown time and again, domestically and internationally .
The 328-page book with 20 chapters describes continuing failures of Nawaz in terms of fulfilling his promises... will have to wait for Mush's reaction to the "gossipy book" :mrgreen:
About a meeting called by Musharraf at Murree in the wake of the murder of Akbar Bugti, Shujaat states that this meeting was attended by the then Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee, the Director General ISI, the DG Military Intelligence, and the DG Intelligence Bureau and the participants were told that people were happy over the killing of Bugti and were distributing sweets. Which, in fact triggered another Baloch uprising, which is still going on right now !
About the issue of nuclear scientist Dr Qadeer, Shujaat says when the country was facing intense foreign pressure over the allegations of theft of nuclear materials by Dr Qadeer, Mushararf sent barrister S M Zafar and him to Dr Qadeer to convince him to apologise to the nation. "Later, he was asked to meet Dr Qadeer alone," Shujaat says. He said when he met Dr Qadeer, he told him that nuclear materials theft allegations were unfounded and he also took him to the inner side of his house and showed him the furniture of his wife brought after wedding, saying he even could not afford to buy new. Anyhow, the PML-Q chief says Dr Qadeer apologised to the nation and this act of Dr Qadeer enhanced his dignity. Mush has always been known to speak from "both sides of his mouth". Therefore, he is labelled as a serial liar. And that is why his words and pronouncements , (be it Kashmir talk with Bajpai, War on Terror with Bush Jr, Kargil episode, OBL, etc etc ) cannot be trusted :evil:
Ch Shujaat says Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry had agreed to reconcile with Mushararf. The book describes the Lal Masjid operation, which its author Ch Shujaat had opposed. The PML-Q chief says that is why Abdur Rashid Ghazi had trusted him and before his death he decided to hand over his two adopted daughters to him and those girls are still under his guardianship. The book will most likely sell like "hot cakes naans , and the author will be "invited" to the "entertaining talk shows" and will make a lot of money in this hard economic times :mrgreen:
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"Geo Channel Drama" Still Going On In Pakiland !

Missing channels
So Geo’s blackout isn’t about outlawing criticism of institutions. It could be the manifestation of another undeclared rule: no one can be allowed to beguile, directly or indirectly, gullible citizens into making bad electoral choices, just as no one must be allowed to market junk food to kids.
Or could it be one freak coincidence that cable operators simultaneously decided in the national interest that viewers must be shielded from Geo’s ‘propaganda’ prior to the imminent conviction of NS? Or could Geo’s blackout be another conspiracy by the N-government to make the only channel supportive of NS disappear in order to frame our righteous state? This is also the age of controlled uncertainty. So, according to this , Geo is still "under punishment" :mrgreen:

The writer is a lawyer based in Islamabad.
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"Frontier Justice" Still Prevails In Pakiland !

Brothers chop off sister’s legs over property dispute
KHANEWAL: In a barbaric act, the legs of a woman were chopped off by her brothers over a property dispute here on Saturday, the media reported.
The victim, a local farm worker, had reportedly demanded her brothers to give her share in an inherited property. When rejected, she had threatened to move the court. But before she could do so, they attacked her with axes at a farm when she was harvesting and chopped off her legs. Not sure if even Sharia "approves" of such heinous acts. But for sure, men and women are not considered equal according to the Book, in spite of "so many recent progressive news" about women's empowerment in Pakiland !
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Peregrine wrote:BUT AT THE CROSS-ROADS THE SUV IS TO THE RIGHT OF THE MOTOR CYCLE AND THUS HAS THE RIGHT OF WAY.
anupmisra wrote:Now, now, now FalconMeister, you are expecting civility and traffic sense from a nation of inbreds where the dictum "might is right" coupled with "it's my right (to your rights)" plus "my mistake is your problem" are the god given right?
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anupmisra wrote:'We are against the oppressors': Thousands turn up at Pashtun Tahafuz Movement's Peshawar rally

Note: not one single baki flag. Must be a bad omen.
Pretty Nice!!! Priceless..
"Ye Jo Dehshat Gardi Hai
Uske Peechey Wardi Hai"


[This Terrorism that you see all Day
Has fingerprints of Military at Play]
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Falijee wrote:Is Pakistan Heading Into Chaos, As Per This Paki- Anal-ist :roll:

Indian Foreign Policy: Pakistan’s Apprehensions
Prof. Shahid Zubair - April 8, 2018
Remember, negotiation table is war arena and it is a matter of high national security. Their services can be borrowed from the opposition parties and institutions as President Nixon borrowed Henry Kissinger’s services form Democrat Party of US. :roll: Is the comparison valid here ?
The writer is a senior analyst and an educationist based in Lahore.
Falijee Ji :

You missed out the best part at the end :
The purpose of giving miniature picture of international political panorama is to point out that Pakistan seems to be caught up in a quagmire, internally as well as externally, and heading towards chaos.
The above is really, really the BEST PART AND SAYS IT ALL! :rotfl:

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The Hubris Of The So- Called Bajwa Doctrine Explained Here !

‘Bajwa Doctrine’ — the real one?
M Ziauddin
April 5, 2018
Dismissing what he called ‘misinterpretations’ regarding the ‘Bajwa Doctrine’, the DG ISPR Major General Asif Ghafoor clarified at a press conference Wednesday last (March 28, 2018) that if there was a ‘Bajwa Doctrine’ per se, it was related to security concerns.But he did not dwell in detail on what actually is meant by ‘Bajwa Doctrine’. Surely it could not have meant more of the same, that is continuing the war against militancy. In that case it would have been nothing more than a continuation of the post 2007 policy.
As it is being tossed around since US President Donald Trump’s tweet early this year which lashedout at Pakistan for being an unreliable ally it is possible that the ‘Bajwa Doctrine’ is our Chief of Army Staff’s well-thought out response to the tweet and to the punishing actions that Washington took subsequently against Islamabad.This assumption seems to hold if one were to go through a mid-February article by Kamal Alam, a Visiting Fellow at Royal United Services Institute (RUSI), an highbrow UK think tank.
However, since the Trump administration took office it is making good on the sticks that the Obama administration had threatened but never quite delivered.
Alam says the main difference this time around is that the Pakistanis are biting back.“Pakistan is now adamant that the time for American threats and directives is over.” “Gone are the days of timidity and scurrying to please the Americans.” This sweeping change in Pakistan’s approach to US threats, Alam says is spelled out in detail in what he calls ‘Bajwa Doctrine’, and ‘it suggests that the Pakistan Army should not do more, but rather the world must do more’. Unless the Chinese are willing to be Pakistan' s new full time financiers ( which looks doubtful ), the Pakis will be "unable to bite back" Massa. :twisted:
The world, Alam points out, in the shape of China, Russia, Turkey and Iran, have all come to Pakistan’s defence as the US loses influence in Islamabad. Short term tactical support yes, but no one wants to "touch" a basket case like Pakistan for strategic purposes !
General Bajwa, has also made it clear that American money is not needed — it is respect they desire. They need US money and arms !
According to Alam the message from the military is quite clear — US equipment is no longer the only option for Pakistan. In fact, Pakistan is actively buying hardware and producing more with China.
One reader's comments are very telling !
All the great USA and its president Donald Trump has to do is put a ban on travel from pakistan of the bloated faujis and their sympathizer( like Kamal Alam) and their families to USA and UK. :twisted:
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NIA brands Pakistani diplomat 'wanted,' to seek Interpol RCN

NEW DELHI: In a first, the National Investigation Agency (NIA) has put a Pakistani diplomat on its ‘wanted’ list and released his photo, seeking information. It said the diplomat — Amir Zubair Siddiqui, who was posted as visa counsellor in the Pakistani High Commission in Colombo — had been included in the list along with two other Pakistani officers for conspiring to launch 26/11-type attacks on US and Israeli consulates besides Army and Navy commands in south India in 2014. NIA said a fourth Pakistani officer posted in the high commission in Sri Lanka was also involved in the conspiracy.

The development comes even as the agency is preparing to send a request to Interpol seeking red corner notices (RCNs) against the Pakistani officers, who have reportedly been repatriated to Islamabad.

While the NIA chargesheeted Siddiqui in February, the other three officers could not be identified. The two, who have been put on the ‘wanted’ list apart from Siddiqui, are a Pakistani intelligence officer who went by his alias ‘Vineeth’, and another official codenamed ‘Boss alias Shah’. This is the first time that India has put a Pakistani diplomat’s name in the ‘wanted’ list or sought a red corner notice against one, an official said.

According to the NIA, the Pakistani officers, while serving in Colombo from 2009 to 2016, planned to attack vital installations in Chennai and other places in south India with the help of their agents. Siddiqui allegedly hired Sri Lankan national Muhammed Sakir Hussaien and others, including Arun Selvaraj, Sivabalan and Thameem Ansari, all of whom were arrested by agencies here.

After recruiting them, Siddiqui and the other Pakistani officers instructed them to collect information about defence installations, nuclear establishments and movement of arms and click photographs of such places, the NIA claimed. The Pakistanis also asked them to steal laptops of senior Indian Army officers and supply fake Indian currency notes (FICN), the agency said. They planned to attack the US consulate in Chennai, the Israeli consulate in Bengaluru, the Eastern Naval Command headquarters in Visakhapatnam and various ports, the NIA claimed.

The US shared key information with India in the case which helped investigators nail the Pakistani officers. The code name for the plot to attack the US consulate in Chennai was ‘wedding hall’ which was to be executed by ‘cooks’, a code for terrorists who were to gain entry from the Maldives into India. Hussaien gave a detailed description of his meetings with various Pakistani officers based in Sri Lanka as well as two ‘fidayeen’ (suicide attackers) whom he had met in Bangkok. ‘Spice’ was the code name for the bombs, which were to be planted at the consulate.

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The Cost Of Painting Each PIA Is Between One Million And One Million And A Half United States Dollar :shock:

You will not believe how much a "Markhor" painting on each PIA plane costing national kitty
8 Apr, 2018
*ISLAMABAD: An aviation expert has said that the Pakistan International Airlines spends over a million dollars on the repainting of each plane. *
“The cost of painting on each plane is around $1 to 1.5 million,” Athar Ansari said, which comes out to be almost Rs 15 - 20 crore each. Can the decrepit airline afford such an expenditure, just for "repainting" its fleet of old air planes . Hope the Hong-Kong Outfitter asked for a 100% down-payment in US Cash (onlee !)
He added that the national airliner is repainting its planes for the fifth time in 25 years.The national airliner decided to change its logo after ten years, according to spokesman of the airline.
“The ibex is rare and faces its enemies all alone in mountains. The national flag-carrier will also do the same,” the spokesman said. :roll:
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General (R) Pervaiz Musharaf to return back to Pakistan
ISLAMABD - Pakistan's former military ruler Pervez Musharraf will arrive in Pakistan as soon as an interim government is formed, a media report said today.
He is likely to return by end of May or even start of June as soon as a caretaker government is formed. IMO, he is probably facing passport renewal issues and has no other alternative, but to come back :twisted:
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Naqeebullah Mehsud’s father demands arrest of Rao Anwar’s associates
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KARACHI: The family of late Naqeebullah Mehsud has demanded the Sindh provincial government to arrest the associates of suspended Malir SSP Rao Anwar. Anwar is accused of the extrajudicial murder case of Naqeebullah and three others, who were allegedly killed on his orders in a fake police encounter in Karachi on January 13.The former SSP, after absconding in the case since late January, was arrested on the orders of a three-member Supreme Court bench headed by Chief Justice Justice Saqib Nisar when he finally appeared in court on March 21.Naqeebullah's father, senior members of Mehsud tribe, and family members of 'missing persons' participated in the protest outside the Karachi Press Club on Sunday. Bajwa, who met Najibullah's father a few days ago in Waziristan , should now fulfill his promise for justice !
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An Interesting Article About The Legendary Gama Pehalwan

Gama Pehalvan: The man who singlehandedly shielded the Hindus of his mohala from a religiously charged mob in 1947
Unfortunately towards the end of his life he struggled financially and is rather unknown among the present generation of Pakistani youth despite the fact that he is the great grandfather of Kalsum Nawaz, the wife of Nawaz Sharif. If the above is true has stated, Pakistan has a "world record" of not taking care of their prominent ones ! Dr. Abdus Salaam was one another example !
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Falijee wrote:The Cost Of Painting Each PIA Is Between One Million And One Million And A Half United States Dollar :shock:

You will not believe how much a "Markhor" painting on each PIA plane costing national kitty
8 Apr, 2018
*ISLAMABAD: An aviation expert has said that the Pakistan International Airlines spends over a million dollars on the repainting of each plane. *
“The cost of painting on each plane is around $1 to 1.5 million,” Athar Ansari said, which comes out to be almost Rs 15 - 20 crore each. Can the decrepit airline afford such an expenditure, just for "repainting" its fleet of old air planes . Hope the Hong-Kong Outfitter asked for a 100% down-payment in US Cash (onlee !)
He added that the national airliner is repainting its planes for the fifth time in 25 years.The national airliner decided to change its logo after ten years, according to spokesman of the airline.
“The ibex is rare and faces its enemies all alone in mountains. The national flag-carrier will also do the same,” the spokesman said. :roll:
The Harmkhor is also hunted by kufurs. https://www.dawn.com/news/1392030
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Falijee wrote:The Cost Of Painting Each PIA Is Between One Million And One Million And A Half United States Dollar :shock:
“The cost of painting on each plane is around $1 to 1.5 million,” Athar Ansari said, which comes out to be almost Rs 15 - 20 crore each.
Wait a doggone minute! What happened to all that green paint bought in excess to paint all those mijjilez, tanks and bandars? What happened to all those truck artists which bakistan is so proud of? Hain? Combine the two and you can get each plane painted for a thousand bucks a piece. Right?
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X Posted from the India-US relations: News and Discussions IV thread to the Indian Foreign Policy, Iran News & Discussions, 26/11/2008: Never Forget. Never Forgive, CPEC and Terroristan threads.

Interview of U.S. Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary for South and Central Asia, Alice Wells, by politician Subramanian Swamy’s daughter Suhasini Haidar for the Hindu.

US, far from being reluctantly acquiescent about Indian investment in the development of Chabahar Port in their archenemy Iran is actually “deeply appreciative of the Indian efforts to use Chabahar to provide alternatives to Afghanistan to open up a channel to Central Asia”:
Tell us about your meetings in Delhi, both bilateral and trilateral with Japan.

The momentum to this relationship is anchored by the two policies that govern our approach to the region: the U.S. South Asia policy and the Indo-Pacific policy. In the South Asia policy, the U.S. is working very aggressively to stabilise the situation and work towards a peaceful resolution that involves unprecedented engagement with Pakistan, and one in which India is playing an essential role as a net provider of assistance which is very different from a few years ago. On the Indo-Pacific side, that’s where the ambitions of the relationship lie. Our shared security interests are to see that the region doesn’t fall prey to some of the predatory practices being seen in the South China Sea, and how to offer alternatives.

On Afghanistan… the fact that this region has no regional trade is noteworthy and until we resolve that core conflict and open up the east and west, the potential for South Asia is not going to be achieved. We are deeply appreciative of the Indian efforts to use Chabahar to provide alternatives to Afghanistan to open up a channel to Central Asia. And we need to be creative in the absence of peace to ensure that Afghanistan can stabilise and grow.

Are you saying that the Chabahar route, with the port owned by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard (IRGC-owned Khatam Al-Anbia) meets with the U.S.’s approval?

The standard set for Chabahar is that the deals should not benefit IRGC members, that’s for sanctions not to be imposed, and for business deals to go through. The legislation originally passed (JCPOA) has a specific carve-out for Chabahar and that’s an acknowledgment of the necessary role of giving land-locked Afghanistan access and alternatives as it seeks to build its economy. We have seen with the shipments of wheat that India has really helped to open up trade with Afghanistan including air corridors. Its been striking that Afghanistan-Pakistan trade has declined 50% in the last year. India has provided options, and Afghanistan now needs the support of India and Central Asia.
Suhasini Haidar reminds the Alice Wells that US citizens were also killed in the 26/11 Mumbai Mohammadden Terrorism attack sponsored by State Actors of the Punjabi Uniformed Jihadis of the Military Dominated Deep State of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan, that 10 years have passed since 26/11 and that US President Donald Trump’s New Year Tweet and new US South Asia Strategy on Afghanistan has signified more sound then fury. The RaRa US brigade that infests BRF from time to time may particularly note:
You were in Pakistan last week for several days. Are there any indications yet that Pakistan is taking action on terror?

As General (Joseph) Votel has testified, we see initial constructive steps and we want to build on that. Our conversation with Pakistan is about the unique influence it has and the unique levers it has in helping to shape Taliban expectations and to convince the Taliban to walk through what we all recognise is an open door. Those conversations are ongoing. We are not walking away from Pakistan, but we do not believe that yet we have seen the kind of sustainable and irreversible steps that are required to really change the situation on the ground.
Yet here in New Delhi, it looks as if since that tweet from President Trump on New Years day, India’s hopes from the U.S.’s new policy have not been realised. Terrorists targeting India like Hafiz Saeed and Masood Azhar still roam openly, issue statements, with no specific action taken against them except what is mandated by the U.N. Do you still think there is reason to hope that will change?

I was heartened by the press comments by General Bajwa where he said things like the ‘state must have the monopoly on violence’, and there is ‘no role for non-state actors’, and that ‘Pakistan cant be a normal states if there are extremist groups’. Those are extremely positive statements and now I think the challenge is to see them implemented. We are certainly in a very good faith conversation with Pakistan. We want the policy to succeed and for Pakistan to be both law enforced and economically secure country. We understand Pakistan is also a victim of terror and more than 400 civilians were killed by the TTP or other groups like AQ and ISIS operating in Pakistan. I always say that terrorists who attack Pakistan are also enemies of the United States. We have an agenda, we believe we have shared interests and Pakistan has a stake in a stable Afghanistan. So how do we make that calculus work?

But you’re basing all this on General Bajwa’s statement… this year marks 10 years since the Mumbai attacks, and there have been ten years of such statements. So what gives you hope that this time is any different from the past?

I think the South Asia strategy and the stance of the U.S. administration gives me hope. This is a strategy that has been implemented with greater force. It notes that this is a different world, and it is no longer acceptable or understandable to rely on proxy forces. And we are prepared, as we demonstrated with the suspension of assistance, to act on our concern when we don’t see sufficient action taken. The Trump administration has gone into territory not been entered before by the U.S. and that sends a very powerful message. We have a leadership role to play to close the chapter on proxy forces in South Asia. There is an urgency to this because of ISIS. We see ISIS in Afghanistan consists largely of Afghans and Pakistanis who have switched over from other terrorist organisations, but imagine if an insurgency became a nihillistic campaign that recognised no borders. We can’t afford the conflict and the ideological stew there to metastasise.

Yet eight months into the U.S. South Asia strategy, four months after CSF and FMF funding cuts, FATF action, IMF squeeze, the designation of Hafiz Saeed’s party MML as a Foreign Terrorist Organisation, there’s seems no impact on Pakistan actions. What are the markers that Pakistan should take, for the U.S., and possibly India to acknowledge they have taken some action?

We fully share your concern over Hafiz Saeed. He is a terrorist, with money on his head, he should be in prison, not on the streets, and we have concerns about his ability to operate freely..... [pause] This is a process, and while I know that’s not a satisfactory answer for a country that has suffered significant acts of terrorism emanating from Pakistan.

The U.S. has suffered as well, Americans died in the Mumbai attacks….

Absolutely…but this is a process. And it is a serious process, and even our Indian friends recognise the seriousness of purpose of the United States in adopting and implementing its strategy. So I would say, bear with us, this isn’t the end of our diplomatic game. We are continuously engaging in Pakistan because we do see the need for change.

Is there a timeline? Or a point at which the U.S.’s patience runs out?

We are evaluating as we go, in consultations with our allies and friends. But this is a process.

What are the markers of what you would like to see Pakistan do in the next few months?

I think Pakistan knows what it can do to change the calculus and to disrupt and make it harder for Taliban or family members [other groups] to take advantage of Pakistan’s territory. That isn’t a mystery. There will soon be a new civilian leadership in Pakistan, and we will see how the new government will take steps to demonstrate to the international community that Pakistan is serious about curbing terror financing and money laundering.

Again, there we have seen some positive steps: whether it is on the (LeT-owned) charities, whether it is the executive order designating U.N. terrorists under the Anti-terrorism Act, this is what we are going to be looking for. I believe that the international consensus was that the greylist was necessary as these were not irreversible actions, but I have to say, in my consultations in Islamabad, including among the business community, there is a lot of support for moving forward on terror. This is in Pakistan’s interest, as a big country that needs foreign investment, the way to attract it is to have a stellar reputation and stellar record. So many people I met welcomed the double-edged sword of FATF.
From The Hindu:

Yet to see irreversible steps for change on the ground in Pakistan, says U.S. envoy Alice Wells
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arun wrote:Nandita Das says of India and the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan, “We are neighbours, friends and share similar food, language and culture”.

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Nandita Das says she's in Pakistan to break barriers with India
One Vinay Pathak who I understand is a Male Bollywood Thespian follows in the similar footsteps of Female Bollywood Thespian Nandita Das and says of India and the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan, “Everything is similar here, we’re the same people. No difference, emphatically. We speak the same language, listen to the same music, eat the same food, and play the same cricket.”

Regards Vinay Pathak’s claim of being the same people :eek: can someone enlighten me when Marathi’s, Goan’s, Tuluvas, Kodavas, Kannadigas. Malayalis, Tamilians, Telugus, Oriyas/Odiyas, Bengalis, Assamese etc. consistently started claiming to be :wink: Turko-Arab Central Asian nomadic warrior horsemen :lol: as those from the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan keep claiming :?: Besides since when have Dravidian’s, Tibeto-Burmans, Austroasiatics etc morphed into “Turko-Arab Central Asian nomadic warrior horsemen” :lol: to form the dominant peoples occupying the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan :?:

Regards Vinay Pathaks claim of eating the same food :-o can someone tell me when it was discovered that Vada Pau, Missal Pau, Pork Vindalo, Kodagu Pandhi Curry, Dosa, Idly, Upma, Uthhappam, Iddiappam, Bishi Belle Baath were significant culinary dishes natively cooked in the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan :?:

Regards Vinay Pathak’s claim of speaking the same language :-o can someone enlighten me as to when it was discovered that Marathi and/or Konkani and/or Tulu and/or Kodava and/or Kannadda and/or Malayalam and/or Tamil and/or Telegu and/or Oriya/Odiya and/or Bengali and/or Assamese and/or Kuki and/or Meitei and/or Kokborok were significant languages natively spoken in the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan :?:

Regards Vinay Pathak’s claim of playing the same language since when have Mal Khambh, Kambala Racing, Jallikattu, Yoga become native sports of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic and since when has Bacha Bazi aka Boy Play become a native sport of India :?:

Anyway it annoys me that people who push the line articulated by Nandita Das regards the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan on the other hand never even give a nudge to same line regards Myanmar. After all Myanmar is a neighbour, was part of India till the 1935 Government of India Act separated her, eats same food like rice, speaks same language like Kuki which is spoken in Manipur not to mention Bengali :wink: which is spoken by the so called Rohingya’s of Myanmar, plays the alien imported sport of football and follows the Buddhist Culture which originated in India.

For an encore I now wait 10 year resident of New York Vinay Pathak to wax eloquent and say Indian’s and American’s are the same people as we speak English, listen to Country & Western, eat McDonald Ham Burgers and play Basket Ball and/or even maybe Indian’s and the British are the same people as we speak English, listen to the Beatles, eat Chicken Tikka Masala and play Cricket.

From here:

Thank you, Pakistan, for being so amazing: Vinay Pathak
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anupmisra wrote:
Wait a doggone minute! What happened to all that green paint bought in excess to paint all those mijjilez, tanks and bandars? What happened to all those truck artists which bakistan is so proud of? Hain? Combine the two and you can get each plane painted for a thousand bucks a piece. Right?
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Passengers will pucker their butt, sit tight after hearing this cryptic jihadi message
The ibex is rare and faces its enemies all alone in mountains. The national flag-carrier will also do the same,” the spokesman said
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^ But in Amrika they are shooting rare ibex. Why ji?

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6 minors ‘abused’ in Kasur in two days

The Newspaper's Correspondent | Updated April 09, 2018

KASUR: Six minors were allegedly abused here in separate cases on Saturday and Sunday………….

On Saturday evening, four suspects allegedly abducted two minor boys, ‘Z’ and ‘A’, when they were returning home after watching a kabaddi match at Eid Gah ground in Mustafabad. They took the boys to an outhouse in the village and allegedly tortured them before raping them. ……………….

Meanwhile, a barber in village Kot Mavati was booked and arrested on Sunday for allegedly raping a 12-year-old girl. A man was booked for raping a five-year-old boy in village Badth Kalan and police were conducting raids to arrest him. A 20-year-old man allegedly raped a six-year-old boy at a tuition centre in Basti Chiragh Shah. Police claimed to have arrested the suspect and registered a case against him. B Division police booked a man for allegedly raping a seven-year-old boy in Bhasarpura.

6 minors ‘abused’ in Kasur in two days

When Mohammadden belief based Shariah strictures in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan cloisters away women, it is inevitable that male homosexual rape and/or homosexual sexual assault with paedophile overtones crops up. Kasur in Punjab Province sees an epidemic of 5 male homosexual rape and/or homosexual sexual assaults with paedophile overtones with one case female hetrosexual rape with paedophile overtones to break the sexual orientation over a two day period. Clearly Punjabi’s from the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic are being less than honest when they try to paint Bacha Bazi aka Boy Play as a Pushtun / Pashtun / Pathan phenomena.

Further this deviant behaviour constitutes no stray event in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Similar incidents of paedophile homosexual rape have been frequently reported. Indeed I suspect that the incidents of this nature, by standards of prevalence of deviant behaviour, are quite widespread in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan making it the Paedophile Homosexual Rape and Paedophile Homosexual Sexual Assault Capital of the Indian Sub-Continent. The above linked News articles plus the ones to follow, all from 2018 which is just over three months old, reporting incidents of paedophile homosexual rape/sexual assault in the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan serves to demonstrate the point.

March 31, 2018:

13-year-old boy found unconscious outside home after being raped in Sehwan

March 19, 2018:

Boy sexually assaulted, filmed by policemen in 'torture cell' near Lahore

March 18, 2018:

Seminary teacher arrested for 'rape' of nine-year-old boy in Karachi

February 25, 2018:

Lahore teenager accuses cleric of rape

February 20, 2018 :

Missing boy found strangled after rape

February 20, 2018:

Cleric held for rape of minor boy

February 6, 2018:

8-year-old boy allegedly raped by labourer in Jhelum

February 2, 2018:

Seven-year-old boy found ‘raped, killed’ in Karachi

January 31, 2018:

Cleric arrested in Islamabad for physically harassing 12-year-old foreigner

January 28, 2018:

Police offical arrested for 'raping, blackmailing' 15-year-old boy in Haripur

January 24, 2018:

Teenage boy held captive, raped for 3 days in Rawalpindi

January 12, 2018:

13-year-old boy intoxicated, sexually assaulted by two men in Sargodha[/quote]
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Rest snipped ... What happened to all those truck artists which bakistan is so proud of? Hain?... each plane painted for a thousand bucks a piece. Right?
Anupmisra-ji:
Not going to happen, because IMO, truck artistry is going to be pretty soon, a lost art. You see, the "artists" -( mostly Pashtuns from the FATA Agencies ) like the migrating Houbara Bustard and the Emblematic Markhor , are going to be extinct soon, as right now, they are being "hunted" from the air as well as from the ground , in the name of "fighting terrorism" :twisted:
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Govt mulls permanent ban on JuD, other ‘terror’ groups

ISLAMABAD: The government is working on a draft bill to replace the presidential ordinance that banned Jamaatud Dawa as well as other organisations and individuals on the watch list of the interior ministry.

Sources in the law ministry told Dawn that the proposed draft bill to amend the Anti-Terrorism Act (ATA), 1997 was likely to be tabled in the upcoming session of the National Assembly scheduled to commence on April 9 (tomorrow). The law ministry was involved in the process for the purpose of vetting the proposed draft bill, the sources said, adding that the military establishment was also on board.

The government decided to prepare a draft bill to amend the ATA as part of its damage-control campaign after the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) approved a nomination proposal tabled jointly by the US, the UK, France and Germany to place Pakistan on the international watchdog’s money-laundering and terror-financing grey list in February.

Earlier, President Mamnoon Hussain had promulgated the ordinance amending the ATA to include entities listed by the UNSC as proscribed groups. The ordinance had been issued under Article 89 of the Constitution which empowers “President to promulgate ordinances” but the ordinance expires in 120 days. The National Assembly can extend it for another four months after which it has to be tabled before both the houses i.e. National Assembly and Senate for further extension.

Through the ordinance, amendments were made to ATA’s Section 11-B that sets out parameters for proscription of groups and Section 11-EE that describes the grounds for listing of individuals. In both sections, Sub-Section ‘aa’ was added. According to the sub-section, organisations and individuals “listed under the United Nations (Security Council) Act, 1948 (XIV of 1948), or” will be included in the First Schedule (for organisations) and Fourth Schedule (for individuals), respectively, on an ex parte basis.

Under Section 11-EE, the requirements were: “(a) concerned in terrorism; (b) an activist, office-bearer or an associate of an organisation kept under observation under section 11D or proscribed under section 11B; and (c) in any way concerned or suspected to be concerned with such organisation or affiliated with any group or organisation suspected to be involved in terrorism or sectarianism or acting on behalf of, or at the direction of, any person or organisation proscribed under this Act.”

Database being prepared

In addition to the draft bill, which is likely to be tabled in the upcoming NA session, Pakistan is preparing a consolidated database of known terrorists and terrorist organisations which will be accessible to financial institutions and law-enforcement agencies of the country to strengthen the regime against money laundering and terror financing.

For the enforcement of prohibition of funds and financial services, it was recommended to the authorities to ensure that statutory regulatory orders issued under UNSC Resolutions-1267 and -1373 (issued under ATA) are implemented without delay. The government would also frame the ATA’s freezing and seizure rules and ensure that Anti-Terrorism Amendment Ordinance 2018 is enacted through the parliament, according to the draft action plan.

The amendment to the ATA would also enable investigation officers to be trained to investigate sources of funding besides other financial aspects in terrorism cases.

The presidential ordinance has already been challenged by JuD chief Hafiz Saeed in the Islamabad High Court. He claimed that the ordinance had been promulgated due to external pressure and hence was not only prejudicial to the sovereignty but also contradictory to the fundamental rights enshrined in the Constitution.

When contacted, Barrister Zafarullah Khan, special assistant to the prime minister, said that the amendment to the ATA was a subject of the interior ministry. He added the law would not introduce anything new, as it would basically ensure compliance to the UNSC Resolutions.

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X Posted from the Oppression Of Minorities In Pakistan thread to the Terroristan and Pashtun Civil War threads.

The Pathan / Pashtun / Pushtun minority protests against extrajudicial arrests and killings carried out against them by the Punjabi Uniformed Jihadi Military Dominated Deep State of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Our Government must provide 800% Diplomatic and Moral support to the Pathan’s in order to thwart the State Terrorism of the Punjabi Uniformed Jihadi Military Dominated Deep State of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Pakistan: Thousands protest over extrajudicial arrests, killings : The police killing of Naqeebullah Mehsud, an aspiring Pashtun model, has generated demonstrations in Peshawar from the Pashtun community, who say they are targeted by the police and army.
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Pakistan Is An ISLAMIC REPUBLIC . Sex - Consensual Or Non - Consensual Should Not Be Allowed To Be "Openly" Mentioned / Discussed ! ( What goes on behind the four walls of a kothi- like Saudia- is nobody's business :twisted: )

UN wants consensual sex decriminalised in Pakistan

The Express Tribune
ISLAMABAD:
In a surprise move, Pakistan has officially ‘noted’ :roll: a recommendation made during the third Universal Periodic Review (UPR) which suggest repealing laws barring adultery and non-marital consensual sex. "Noted" is another "buzz word" circulated by the Paki Press, once every few days; what it means, nobody knows !
It has also noted, ( code word for "no action"?. Read and file or read and destroy ? ) among hundreds of other recommendations, others which suggest decriminalising such activities, and ensuring punishment for all perpetrators of violence against participants and those who may call for such violence, including members and leaders of jirgas.
The UPR recommendations-2017 –copies of which are available with The Express Tribune and online at the UPR’s website, show that the first recommendation was given by Canada, and the second by Czechia (formerly the Czech Republic). ‘Noted’ – Pakistan’s response – means that the country will consider this recommendation and take a final decision on either accepting or rejecting it at a later time, officials explained. Pakistan has more important things on its plate,- like how and where to get the next meal from, how to cull the pesty Pushtuns - then worry about such "trivial matters", IMO
An official working closely with the Ministry of Human Rights ( does Pakistan have such an "animal" :roll: ) confirmed that the recommendation was officially ‘noted’. “Pakistan adopted the third cycle of UPR last month. The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) will issue the official document in coming days,” they said, adding that the document which is publically available was issued after Pakistan’s review in November 2017. :((
The UPR was introduced by the United Nations General Assembly in 2006 and involves a unique process of periodic review of human rights records of all UN member states. The process lets states quantify steps needed for improvement in human rights situations around the globe. It is "relevant" to mention here that Pakistan is a Member Of The UN Human Rights Council !!!
In 2008, Pakistan received 51 recommendations, of which it accepted 43 and rejected eight. These eight pertained to the decriminalisation of defamation and non-marital sexual relations, ending abuse of blasphemy laws, legal reforms to ensure punishments in ‘honour killings’ and the abolition of the death penalty. The "8 rejected" are against the Laws Of Malsi :mrgreen:
The recommendations rejected by Pakistan included proposals for repeal of laws related to blasphemy and criminalising non-marital sexual relations, abolition of the death penalty, and bringing an end to the ongoing military operation in Balochistan. How dare, the UN "interfere" in the internal affairs of Pakistan by mentioning "Balochistan" :twisted:
While talking to The Express Tribune a human right activist who asked not to be named due to the sensitivity of the issue said that Pakistan’s response to these recommendations is quite a surprise.
He believed that there is a disconnect between what happened at the UN and the ground realities in Pakistan.
“Pakistani officials are showing a liberal face to the west to make them happy, but within the country, they are not even ready to pass and implement laws on issues like child marriage and domestic violence, which shows the double standard of two-faced government officials,” said the activist. Agree 400% with this anonymous activist . The recent decision to officially approve the "third sex" and send them on Hajj, allow them to be "TV anchors", and other token gestures , belong to this category. At the same time, the Mullahs are being assured , behind the scenes - that Pakistan is NOT going to cave in to such "ridiculous" measures like repeal blasphemy laws, or de criminalizing consensual non-marital sex !
Officials at the Ministry of Human Rights said they have not yet officially received these recommendations from the Foreign Office.
Some of them, however, expressed their views that there are some ‘groups’ who, based on their vested interests, “do this just for the sake of defaming Pakistan”.
Meanwhile, Pakistan Ulema Council Chairman Tahir Ashrafi said, “It is impossible to decriminalise adultery in Pakistan as it is against Islam and the Constitution of Pakistan. If the government tries to do so, it would result in a disaster.”He said that there are few people who are making efforts to defame Pakistan and Islam.“Anyone who does this will face treason charges,” he claimed. The "famous" drunkard Sarkari Mullah (Ashrafi) speaketh of the "Islam Brigade". Case closed :mrgreen:
Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) Chairman Dr Qibla Ayaz said, “It is shocking for all of us to learn that the Pakistani government agreed to even consider this, even though it is impossible to decriminalise such acts in Pakistan.” And the Mullahs have not come out to "protest" the official acceptance of the THIRD sex gender in Pakistan . Because, as the Human Right Activist rightly said Paki officials like to show a "liberal face" to the rest of the world. And the Mullahs have agreed to this concession !
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Mullah Rules The Roost In Spite Of An Order To Arrest Him !

Lahore sit-in to continue until demands are accepted: Khadim Hussain Rizvi
The sit-in being held by Tehreek-i-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP) entered its 7th day on Sunday as party workers continued to protest outside Data Darbar in Lahore.Khadim Hussain Rizvi, who was declared a proclaimed offender earlier this week, has been leading the sit-in for the implementation of the Faizabad agreement since Monday. Proclaimed offender, or no proclaimed offender. When the Deep State is behind you, no one can "touch you" , like in this case. The same thing is happening with Hafiz Suar. The Deep State cannot "afford" to let go of these strategic assets ! :mrgreen:
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Pakis Roping In Afghanistan For CPEC :roll:

CPEC extended to Afghanistan: Report

Most likely propagandu headline !!
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Rupee fall continues
The local currency market witnessed a rise in dollar demand amid speculative trading last week, while the rupee remained under pressure. On the interbank market, the rupee commenced April in negative mode.
On Monday, the rupee inched down on the buying counter, retaining selling counter rate unchanged against the dollar at Rs115.49 and Rs115.51 against the last closing at Rs115.48 and Rs115.51.
Retaining overnight rates on Friday, the rupee traded at Rs116.20 and Rs116.60 against the dollar. On a weekly basis, the dollar in the open market appreciated by 50 paisa on the buying counter and 40 paisa on the selling counter against the rupee.
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Ganja Clan's New Recruit Into The "Family Business" :mrgreen:

Maryam Nawaz's son Junaid Safdar to join active politics: sources
9 Apr, 2018
LAHORE : Junaid Safdar, grandson of former prime minister Nawaz Sharif and son of Maryam Nawaz and Captain Safdar, has decided to enter the politics as markers of the third generation of Sharif family.
Sources revealed that Junaid is currently acquiring political training from Nawaz who often accompanies him to political rallies too. Learning the political ropes from "The Master " is fine but hope Ganja is not "feeding him false stories" about the Military /Politico Establishment of Pakiland :mrgreen:


PS: The "mixed breed" sons of Imran Khan, who are living in Bartania, but are still eligible for Paki Citizenship, due to the status of their father, have yet to announce their entrant into Paki Politics :twisted:

Heir To Ganja :roll:
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"Politically Poweful " Nisar Out Of Favour With PTI Party :roll:

PTI responds to news of Chaudhry Nisar joining Imran Khan
9 Apr, 2018
ISLAMABAD: *Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) on Sunday has responded to the news of Chaudhry Nisar joining PTI .PTI has rubbished reports of former interior minister Chaudhry Nisar meeting top party officials.
“We have no intentions of calling on him,” a PTI spokesperson said. He termed the reports baseless.PTI chief Imran Khan had his hands full with a membership drive in Rawalpindi. He returned home after. Nisar is still sitting on the fence between the PML Party and the PTI Part . He can "jump" on any side of the fence, if the price is right :twisted:
Immy should grap the chance to enlist Nisar. He has a "powerful" brother in the Fauj . He can swing things Imran's way :twisted: [/quote]
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Tunku Vardarajan, Virginia Hobbs Carpenter Fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution. writing in The Print in an article titled “One Belt, One Road, One Thrashing: How China took Pakistan hostage”:
One Belt, One Road, One Thrashing: How China took Pakistan hostage

TUNKU VARADARAJAN 9 April, 2018

Unlike many in India, I derive no pleasure from the squalid little news clip that shows workers from China beating Pakistani cops and civilians at a Chinese work-camp outside the Punjabi town of Khanewal. Pakistan’s news media described the policemen as having been “thrashed”, a word reflecting the humiliation and feelings of emasculation that have swept through that country in the aftermath of the event.

This violent act of criminal assertiveness on foreign soil lays bare the contempt that the Chinese have for the Pakistanis. The Chinese workers wanted to leave their camp to let off steam at a local brothel. The police who were there to ensure the workers’ security tried to stop them from leaving unescorted, hence the brawl.

The cops’ submissiveness in the face of this assault shows the extent to which Pakistan has become a slavish sidekick of neo-imperial China. The image of a Chinese worker standing atop the bonnet of a police car captures the swagger of a dominant power, and the servility of its vassal.

How did Pakistan plummet so low? Pakistan separated from India in 1947, and, after Jinnah’s death, very quickly abandoned his soothing but hare-brained idea of being an Islamicate (to use a reputed historian’s coinage) version of India—in other words, a Muslim-majority secular, democratic republic.

In truth, Jinnah’s conception of Pakistan was always that of a welfare state for north India’s Muslim elite masquerading as Indo-Muslim nationalism. From the earliest years of its existence, Pakistan has searched hungrily—often desperately—for a raison d’etre. It was no longer India—but what was it instead? Its Independence Day, August 14, doesn’t—like India’s—unequivocally mark a final liberation from the British. It is also the day it parted ways with India, and with the Hindu.

So, Pakistan has had to be, by definition, the un-India, and it proceeded to be the un-India with an almost lip-smacking relish. Its genocide in East Pakistan was its pursuit of un-Indianness in its most hideous form, comprising the physical elimination of those of its citizens who were a reminder of Pakistan’s Indian past, Bengali citizens for whom being Pakistani didn’t mean the abandonment of a Sanskrit-based language and of a culture—song, dress, syncretism and literature—that was deeply rooted in a pre-Pakistani past.

In all of this, Pakistan erased much of its own history. The erasures were replaced by propaganda, and by selective memory. Pakistan embraced the Islamic-era history of India as its own exclusive narrative, and in a magical twist in this narrative, the Mughals were deemed, in spirit, to be Pakistani. (In an unlovely imitation of this process, India’s Hindutva chauvinists today also regard the Mughals as Pakistani.)

But a severing from their own truthful history produces a moral and spiritual rudderlessness in a people. Every people wishes to be the product of a past, and to belong to a culture rooted in that past; and so, Pakistan/un-India came to give itself Persian and Arab and Turkic dimensions as a substitute for the rejected Indic one, and Pakistanis became Persian and Arab and Turkic postulants, or wannabes.

I can think of no other country in the world where the linguistic majority regards its own language as a bumpkins’ tongue, inferior to the national language imposed upon it a mere 70 years ago. Punjabi, in Pakistan, has been reduced to the level of an informal patois, spoken off-duty and among friends, rarely in the office or the classroom.

An existentially rudderless country, Pakistan is always in search of meaning and of friends, and of outlets for its civic and political frustrations. These frustrations have led to the growth of Islamist radicalism in Pakistan, and these radicals have been exhorted onward by the forces of Wahhabi internationalism fanning out of Arabia. Islamist radicalism dovetails conveniently with the project of being the un-India, and terrorism in Pakistan now works overtime (and in partnership with the state) to bleed Hindu India by a thousand little cuts.

Given the economic and military shortcomings of Pakistan, it cannot take on India by itself. This is where China, with its own implacable hostility to India, comes on Pakistan’s stage. Pakistan has, for decades, been China’s complaisant little crony as a way to stiffen its defences against India. As the United States draws closer to India—while growing ever more distant from terrorist-infested Pakistan—the panicked Pakistanis have come to regard China as a life-support machine. Their fatal error is not just to rely so extensively on China for almost every single one of their needs, but also to fail to anticipate the python-like grip China would have over Pakistan in their bilateral relations. The very army (and ISI) that boasts most loudly of keeping Pakistani sovereignty safe from all aggressors has consigned Pakistan to the most profound vassaldom.

China’s helping hand has not come to Pakistan for free. Pakistan is now tethered to the Chinese, bound to Beijing as a hostage of its own history. Pakistan’s knack for self-delusion has largely prevented it from seeing how thoroughly it is being exploited by China. It has signed away significant amounts of northern land to China (including land that is lawfully Indian), and has practically gifted China a deep-water port in Gwadar that the Chinese are unlikely ever to vacate. And with the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), Pakistan is now in a painful debt trap, Made in China.

The Chinese workers and engineers who rioted in Khanewal are in Pakistan to build a highway from Bahawalpur to Faisalabad. What would Jinnah think, one wonders, of the fact that the country for which he sundered a millennial civilisation cannot even put together its own highways?

There is a long history of Chinese workers going abroad to build infrastructure. Think of the railroad in the American West, and the role of the Chinese “coolie.” He went, then, as a semi-indentured serf, abused and vilified by the natives around him. Today he builds highways, but no one abuses him. In Pakistan, in fact, he is the abuser. He knows that he is among supplicants—and he knows that he owns them. One Belt, One Road…One Thrashing.

Tunku Varadarajan is the Virginia Hobbs Carpenter Fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution.
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"One Belt, One Road, One Thrashing: How China took Pakistan hostage” :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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arun wrote:
arun wrote:Nandita Das says of India and the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan, “We are neighbours, friends and share similar food, language and culture”.

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Nandita Das says she's in Pakistan to break barriers with India
One Vinay Pathak who I understand is a Male Bollywood Thespian follows in the similar footsteps of Female Bollywood Thespian Nandita Das and says of India and the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan, “Everything is similar here, we’re the same people. No difference, emphatically. We speak the same language, listen to the same music, eat the same food, and play the same cricket.”


Regards Vinay Pathak’s claim of speaking the same language :-o can someone enlighten me as to when it was discovered that Marathi and/or Konkani and/or Tulu and/or Kodava and/or Kannadda and/or Malayalam and/or Tamil and/or Telegu and/or Oriya/Odiya and/or Bengali and/or Assamese and/or Kuki and/or Meitei and/or Kokborok were significant languages natively spoken in the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan :?:
And yet they do not quite take the mental leap of asking if all their cultural things are like indians, why do these people claim descent from asiatic four-fathers; with all things cultural formed before the era of globalization. That is the line of thinking that culminates with registering on brf :)
IMO, with regards to the islamic kabila/caravan analogy that was discussed here sometimes back, the comparison of pakis with caravan guards was spot on, it is what most of their awaam is compatible with. This point was understood by the chinis, with the end result being chinis making money off of paki land with pakis being akin to security guards guarding chinis infrastructural largesse on their own god forsaken country . They are all walid-bin - khalids, and md qasims and aurangzebs, all robbers for the lack of a better word,none aspire to leadership or advisory position (scientific,cultural, theological) in the ummah, they will forever be hired muscles.
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^^not even muscles, they are simply the cannon fodder for anyone who pays for it, Britishers, US and now Chinese & Sauds. Meanwhile 1 USD gives ~2 More PKR than INR, poor endiyans
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^Indeed, their wet dreams of being the sword of islam does not attest to their capability of being one. Instead, they will find immense opportunities to indulge in their guard fantasies once chini enclaves crop up in their country. The aam abdul can then protect iron birathers technocrats/robbers from their bandit mulk birathers .
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anupmisra wrote:All is forgiven. What's a beating or two between iron brothers, anyway.

Chinese engineers invite Pakistan police to share meal , 'apologize' for misbehavior
Obviously, orders from the polit-bureau. Here: beatee and beater break bread. Look at the joy written all over the paki thulla's face.

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Chinese engineers who provoked social media storm last week and drew strong criticism over their manhandling of Pakistani police have reportedly apologized.
The pictures seemed more offensive to some people as they thought the Chinese national appeared to show no regard for Pakistan's flag that was printed on the vehicle right under his feet.
Chinis cons disrespect the malsic flag and they get to live. What has the paki awaam come to these days?

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/30201 ... isbehavior
Looksw like Anwar the beaten sipahi,was given a Marlboro , some bandage and a small pack of peanuts by Chinese :((
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is that water in wine glass? or the mard-e-momin was drinking champagne/rum
so 4 mard-e-momin for 1 ninja turtle
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Massa To Be "Squeezed" For More Moolah :roll:

Police want US diplomat involved in traffic accident on ECL
Federal police department Monday wrote a letter to authorities to put Col Joseph's name, an Air attaché and US diplomat involved in a car accident in Islamabad, on Exit Control List (ECL). The incident took place on Saturday near Daman-e-koh Chowk. One of the injured person, Attique Baig, succumbed to his injuries. The fair and impartial investigation is being carried out without fear or favour in the domain of law :roll: in motorcyclists hit incident near Daman-e-Koh Chowk, a police spokesperson said. Not sure which "law" is he referring to, "Sharia" or the "British Common Law" or a hybrid - one that would take into account the so -called H&D of Pakistan and still let the Amreeki go back !
In a press statement, he said police was in close liaison with the bereaved family and updating it with the legal course of action while the investigation was being carried out in the matter. He assured that the investigation will be fair, transparent and as per cannon of justice irrespective of who was who. He may have to "eat his words", if in the end , the diplo goes free !
He was also interrogated meanwhile Security officials of US embassy reached and exhibited security immunity. Under Article 29 of Vienna Convention 1961 to which Pakistan is also signatory; a diplomat can neither be arrested nor detained. Paki media initially put out fake news which stated that the diplomat "escaped" from custody, while in a scuffle with the police . Now, they will have to justify another "cover story" when he exits Pakiland shortly !
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