Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby TKiran » 26 Apr 2018 16:39

Prerak
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IF China offers ANYTHING remotely constituting "substantial", others (Philippines,Indonesia,Malaysia, etc) would also demand same.
China wants to make an example of India to demonstrate to other countries, that the cost of non compliance with China's wishes far outweighs ...

...anything USA could offer. So any country weighing their options would realize that benefits of standing up to China are small and COST is huge.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 26 Apr 2018 16:41

TKiran wrote:Prerak
@prerakb
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Apr 25

IF China offers ANYTHING remotely constituting "substantial", others (Philippines,Indonesia,Malaysia, etc) would also demand same.
China wants to make an example of India to demonstrate to other countries, that the cost of non compliance with China's wishes far outweighs ...

...anything USA could offer. So any country weighing their options would realize that benefits of standing up to China are small and COST is huge.

Another great example but I will not analyze it .. at least not yet.

Thank you TKiran jee.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby kit » 26 Apr 2018 17:06

TKiran wrote:Prerak
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Apr 25

IF China offers ANYTHING remotely constituting "substantial", others (Philippines,Indonesia,Malaysia, etc) would also demand same.
China wants to make an example of India to demonstrate to other countries, that the cost of non compliance with China's wishes far outweighs ...

...anything USA could offer. So any country weighing their options would realize that benefits of standing up to China are small and COST is huge.


Really .. China is a export oriented market economy and India is a billion plus market growing exponentially. I say China can take it's act and shove it you know where. Supporting terrorism violating India's territorial integrity and freebies for a terror state like Pakistan does not give brownie points. No sir thank you very much. Please don't use that kind of "reasoning". Quite inappropriate

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 26 Apr 2018 18:35

Narendra Modi @narendramodi

I will be visiting Wuhan, China on 27-28 April 2018 for an Informal Summit with Mr. Xi Jinping, President of the People's Republic of China.
Narendra Modi @narendramodi

We will also review the developments in India-China relations from a strategic and long-term perspective.
Narendra Modi @narendramodi

President Xi and I will exchange views on a range of issues of bilateral and global importance. We will discuss our respective visions and priorities for national development, particularly in the context of current and future international situation.

Some are suggesting that Xi will take Modi on a boat ride for a heart-to-heart. :rotfl:

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby GopiD » 26 Apr 2018 18:55

pankajs wrote:^^
That is why the starting assumption becomes soooooooooo important.
I always try to focus more on the mindset that would lead someone to make a particular statement than the statement itself.


That is profound Pankaj. Now, where's the like button?

The PREMISE is as or more important as/than the conclusions drawn from it.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby g.sarkar » 26 Apr 2018 22:01

https://www.bloombergquint.com/opinion/ ... hina-reset
Dancing With The Dragon? Deciphering India’s ‘China Reset’
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Thirty years ago and 15 years ago, Indian prime ministers in the last year of their first terms traveled to China. Rajiv Gandhi in 1988 and Atal Bihari Vajpayee in 2003 had historic visits that reset the Sino-Indian relationship substantively. Now, a year before he is scheduled to seek re-election, another Indian prime minister will visit China. Narendra Modi will meet President Xi Jinping in Wuhan on Friday and Saturday for an “informal” Sunnylands-style summit. It flows from an effort—dubbed a “reset”—over the last four months to improve optics, restore communication, and identify areas where the countries can cooperate.
China has already described the summit as “historic.” But it’s important to keep it in perspective.
After two and a half years of either iciness or high heat, this is an attempt to reset the temperature of the Sino-Indian relationship.
Yet serious underlying structural issues remain that defy speedy solutions and will prevent a strategic shift. From India’s perspective, these include the boundary issue, the China-Pakistan relationship, intractable—even if not irreconcilable—differences involving their overlapping peripheries, and what Delhi sees as Beijing’s desire for a unipolar Asia. The summit can set the stage for the two countries to reset their terms of engagement, but moving from a tactical to a major strategic reset will require a lot more, including a significant change in Chinese and Indian perceptions of themselves and their role in the world, and of each other.
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China might want a reset to shape how far and fast India’s relationship with the United States (and Australia and Japan) will develop, limit the extent of Indian activism in opposing the Belt and Road Initiative, and enable China to benefit from the growing Indian economy. The uncertain, if not tense, China-U.S. dynamic adds to the incentives, as does the situation with China’s closest partners—the North Korean situation is fluid and, while the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor is deepening relations between those two countries, it is also bringing to the fore new frictions.
Still, the reset is not without strategic and political risks for India and Modi. His previous attempts to use the power of personal diplomacy with China have had mixed success—setting the stage for defusing the Doklam stand-off, but not getting Beijing to heed India’s concerns about the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor or support Indian membership in the Nuclear Suppliers Group . And developments around the September 2014 Xi-Modi summit did more to reinforce distrust rather than overcome it.
While China and India are back on each other’s dance cards, they aren’t ready to dance cheek-to-cheek. Fundamental problems remain, not least on the boundary. The governments have continued to hold the other responsible for Doklam. After the Swaraj-Wang meeting in December, which India called “positive and forward looking,” China blamed India for the “severe test” that Doklam had posed for the relationship. In March, the Indian ambassador to China asserted that India reacted only after “the Chinese military changed the status quo”—a contention China rejected. While China has asked India to “stop meaningless playing up” of the issue, India continues to have concerns about what China is doing around Doklam and other parts of the boundary.
In some previous resets, Delhi would omit talk of differences or speak of the boundary issue being set aside. This time around, the Indian government has continued to reiterate that peace at the border is a “pre-requisite” for taking the relationship further, and while stating that differences should not become disputes, it has emphasized the importance of managing these differences. Moreover, officials have stressed the need for Beijing to show sensitivity to Indian concerns.
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby nandakumar » 26 Apr 2018 22:25

Really .. China is a export oriented market economy and India is a billion plus market growing exponentially. I say China can take it's act and shove it you know where. Supporting terrorism violating India's territorial integrity and freebies for a terror state like Pakistan does not give brownie points. No sir thank you very much. Please don't use that kind of "reasoning". Quite inappropriate
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China has adverse trade balance with countries like South Korea and Malaysia unlike the case with the US or the EU. It can twist their tail.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 26 Apr 2018 23:19

Ananth Krishnan Verified account @ananthkrishnan 5h5 hours ago

The one-to-one Modi-Xi Wuhan summit will be more substantial than previously thought. Tomorrow, both leaders will meet along with their delegations in the evening, following a one-to-one. Sat. will be more intimate. They will meet five or six times over two days @IndiaToday
Ananth Krishnan Verified account @ananthkrishnan 2h2 hours ago

Over two days starting tomorrow afternoon at a Wuhan museum, Modi and Xi will hold six rounds of talks in Wuhan, spending close to 10 hours together, including on a boat ride.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby g.sarkar » 27 Apr 2018 00:57

https://thediplomat.com/2018/04/what-do ... relations/
What Does the Modi-Xi Summit Mean for Sino-Indian Relations?
Though the interaction between the two leaders is notable, there is reason for skepticism and managing expectations.
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Even though Modi will be traveling to China for the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) Summit on June 9-10, the Indian leadership took the bold decision to make another earlier visit for the summit. The idea of an informal meeting is not to have a set agenda and engage in a free-flowing conversation between the two leaders. The conversation could include the domestic political and economic climate in both the countries, regional developments like the China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), and international ones such as the U.S.-China trade war. While it is impossible to predict the outcome of this meeting, the importance and consequence of the state of Sino-Indian relationship for Asian security and stability cannot be ignored.
There is disquiet in New Delhi because China has not demonstrated any reciprocal efforts to pacify India. On the contrary, China has engaged in additional efforts to boost its military forces in the Doklam area, as well as in other areas along the disputed Sino-Indian border. Construction of a new road and military posts (at least two) in Shaksgam Valley, north of Siachen Glacier, in the past few months also raises concerns. Shaksgam Valley is located in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir and was ceded by Pakistan to China in 1963, although India does not acknowledge this and treats the Valley as part of the state of Jammu and Kashmir.
This may not yet pose itself as a direct threat to Indian armed forces deployed in Siachen Glacier, Nonetheless, the Chinese action was described by the former Indian army Northern Army Commander Lt. Gen. DS Hooda as a “provocative” step.
There is thus considerable skepticism in India about the summit. Progress on the bilateral front will be judged on whether Beijing shows some sensitivity to Indian concerns on the BRI and CPEC, on India’s NSG bid, and on terrorism. China’s rising influence and growing footprint in South Asia and Indian Ocean are of concern to India and China has not acted to reassure India about China’s long-term intentions.
Nevertheless, China appears to believe that India has agreed to the Wuhan summit because New Delhi has recognized the follies of the so-called Indo-Pacific partnership with the United States and Japan and the ill-effects of that strategy on Sino-Indian relations. Some Chinese analysts suggest that many of the frictions in India-China relations are a result of “lack of trust” or “Western instigation.”
But so far, there is also little indication that India will bend. For instance, on the BRI, India has officially stated that “the so-called ‘China-Pakistan Economic Corridor’ violates India’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. “No country can accept a project that ignores its core concerns on sovereignty and territorial integrity,” the statement continues. “We are of firm belief that connectivity initiatives must be based on universally recognized international norms, good governance, rule of law, openness, transparency and equality, and must be pursued in a manner that respects sovereignty and territorial integrity.”
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby RKumar » 27 Apr 2018 02:09

We should discuss serious business only after border is defined till then it's chai biscuit.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby g.sarkar » 27 Apr 2018 06:15

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/26/worl ... 88&gwt=pay
When Modi and Xi Meet, Indian Elections Will Set the Tone
By JEFFREY GETTLEMAN APRIL 26, 2018
NEW DELHI — When the leaders of the world’s two most populous nations meet on Friday in the Chinese city of Wuhan, Prime Minister Narendra Modi of India will be pushing to get less from President Xi Jinping of China.
Less trouble like the embarrassing territorial showdown that put the two countries on alert last year. Less worry of the kind India is feeling right now about rising Chinese influence on its doorstep, in Sri Lanka, Nepal and the Maldives.
Analysts say Mr. Modi is fixated on winning next year’s election in India. And it is a measure of the fraught relationship between China and India right now that he is seen as needing Mr. Xi’s help to do that.
Officials from both countries are describing the leaders’ meeting, which came at India’s request, as a chance to “reset” relations. But it is clear that Mr. Modi will be seeking assurances from Mr. Xi.
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Mr. Modi’s hope, analysts say, is that the interaction this week will include some quality leader-to-leader time like he had with Mr. Xi during a summit meeting in India in 2014, when Mr. Modi brought Mr. Xi to his home state, Gujarat, where they sat together on a swing.
Still, analysts say Mr. Modi needs Mr. Xi more than Mr. Xi needs Mr. Modi.
“India is no longer in a position to compete with China,” said Jonathan Holslag, a professor at the Free University of Brussels. “It has failed to bolster its national power through industrialization, as China did, yet remains too proud to replace its nonalignment strategy with a real alliance with the United States. As a result, it continues to get weaker.”
India and the United States have grown close in recent years, probably closer than they have ever been. The two nations share countless business ties and a commitment to democracy and have agreed to cooperate on nuclear activities. And President Trump has spoken of a “free and open Indo-Pacific,” which China regards as a thinly veiled attempt to recruit India’s help in containing it.
“The Chinese know that India is a critical swing state, probably the most critical swing state in the world,” said Brahma Chellaney, a professor of strategic studies at the Center for Policy Research in New Delhi. “If India would ally with the U.S. and other democratic powers, it would greatly impinge on China.”
But that may not necessarily happen, Mr. Chellaney said, because the United States itself has not stood up forcefully to China, which makes India cautious about being too closely identified as joining the anti-China camp.
“Will the U.S. really help us if China were to launch a strategic attack?” he said. “That is a question a lot of Asian countries are now asking.”
India’s style of government — highly decentralized, with nearly two dozen officially recognized languages and a noisy democracy — is anathema to China’s iron-fisted central control. In the battle for influence across the South Asia region, Mr. Modi tries to use this, emphasizing India’s tradition of tolerance and diversity.
But it does not always work, partly because of money. China has so much more, and it is pouring huge amounts into Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh and the Maldives — all South Asian countries traditionally dependent on India that are now feeling China’s pull.
As for Pakistan, India’s most direct rival, China is especially generous, recently committing to more than $50 billion in infrastructure projects there.
In 1980, India’s and China’s economies were about the same size. But in the decades since, while China has rapidly industrialized, India has struggled more. China’s economy is now about five times larger than India’s.
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 27 Apr 2018 07:11

g.sarkar wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/26/world/asia/narendra-modi-xi-jinping-china-india.html?mtrref=www.google.com&gwh=09088E779C2C93294F04D12072A70A88&gwt=pay
When Modi and Xi Meet, Indian Elections Will Set the Tone
By JEFFREY GETTLEMAN APRIL 26, 2018
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Still, analysts say Mr. Modi needs Mr. Xi more than Mr. Xi needs Mr. Modi.
“India is no longer in a position to compete with China,” said Jonathan Holslag, a professor at the Free University of Brussels. “It has failed to bolster its national power through industrialization, as China did, yet remains too proud to replace its nonalignment strategy with a real alliance with the United States. As a result, it continues to get weaker.” [So West needs India to be its lap-dog hain.]
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But that may not necessarily happen, Mr. Chellaney said, because the United States itself has not stood up forcefully to China, which makes India cautious about being too closely identified as joining the anti-China camp.
“Will the U.S. really help us if China were to launch a strategic attack?” he said. “That is a question a lot of Asian countries are now asking.”

What is this "strategic attack" that Mr Chellaney talks about?

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Singha » 27 Apr 2018 07:27

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/26/chinas- ... llers.html

with saturation levels in their home market, no prizes for guessing why oppo, vivo, xiaomi are sucking up to indian market.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Hari Seldon » 27 Apr 2018 07:48

I for one hope nothing more than chai-biskoot happens. Also, hope NM takes his cook along if not food as well. Another LBS in tashkent moment this country could do without. Only.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Karthik S » 27 Apr 2018 07:57

I hope India's rahu period is past us.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby g.sarkar » 27 Apr 2018 08:39

pankajs wrote:What is this "strategic attack" that Mr Chellaney talks about?

In my opinion, USA is egging on India to take on China, but in an actual conflict they may count the cost and decide not to back us. US may just think at that juncture that India is too large and needs to be cut down to size and decide not to help. A less independent and tame India is good for the US. This is a problem that all American allies have in common. Think about the Suez crisis back in 1956, for example. US has a history of abandoning its allies at critical moments and Pakistan is not the sole example of this behavior. To be very frank, I was very impressed by this article in NYT. They have faithfully toed the government line and explained the US side of the story. The US press is fully behind their country on any external matter, if only our press had been even 10% on our side.
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby g.sarkar » 27 Apr 2018 08:54

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/26/asia/mod ... index.html
Friday's other big summit: Why the Modi-Xi meeting matters
By Steven Jiang, CNN
Updated 8:15 PM ET, Thu April 26, 2018
Beijing (CNN)While the highly anticipated inter-Korean summit will capture much of the world's attention Friday, another equally consequential meeting will unfold in China on the same day, the outcome of which could affect more than a third of the world's population.
Billed as an "informal" summit, Chinese President Xi Jinping will host Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi in the central city of Wuhan on Friday and Saturday, the clearest sign yet of thawing relations between the two estranged nuclear powers, following last summer's tense military stand-off in the disputed border region of the India-China-Bhutan "trijunction."
Unlike a more traditional state visit, the casual setting appears specifically calculated to avoid potentially complex policy negotiations and instead provide the two leaders, whose countries comprise more than 2.6 billion people and 17.6% of the global economy, an opportunity to clear the air.
Speaking to reporters on Monday, former Indian Foreign Secretary S Jaishankar described the surprise meeting as having no stated goals or set agenda. Conversations, suggested Jaishankar, will be "personal and interactive."
But can the two strongmen leaders put aside their countries' differences and get along?
For Modi, the benefits of stabilizing relations with China are clear. Unlike his Chinese counterpart, the Indian prime minister is gearing up for reelection next year. Though Modi remains overwhelmingly popular among voters, a potentially bruising encounter with China, especially one that involves the two countries' armed forces, could see his poll numbers dented. By meeting with Xi, Modi can both help to mitigate that risk, while simultaneously opening up the possibility of increased economic cooperation at a time of global uncertainty.
For Xi, the summit comes just months after term limits on the Chinese presidency were removed by the country's rubber-stamp parliament, effectively allowing him to govern for life if he chooses. Xi's consolidation of power clears the way for him to embark on a bold new period of statesmanship. The prospect, however unlikely, of the region's two major powers agreeing to join forces, would signal a significant geopolitical shift and the type of major policy win befitting Xi's new status.
That Xi is receiving Modi on the same day as the leaders of North and South Koreas hold talks has raised eyebrows, but analysts view the timing as coincidental and not meant to overshadow the inter-Korean summit, especially considering the difficulties in scheduling and preparing for meetings between any senior leaders.
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Chandragupta » 27 Apr 2018 13:56

What is this 'Modi is seeking reassurance from Xi about not having a bruising military showdown before 2019'. This is nonsense. We have overwhelming strengths vis a vis Cheen. There is something else here. But can't pin point. If (and this a big IF) Modi has indeed gone to China and requested for peace, then this summit & the aftermath will be a disaster for Indian FP and relations with other Asian states who look up to India as a counter weight. But NaMo is not a weakling or naive to do so.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby TKiran » 27 Apr 2018 15:37

Brahma Chellaney
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Indian official: "India is all for increasing trade with China as long as its security concerns are recognized” ((link: https://goo.gl/EnCzST) goo.gl/EnCzST). On Modi's watch, China's trade surplus has already doubled to almost $5 billion a month. China wants to dump more but won't yield on security



As I opined, this visit of Modi is all to do with increasing trade with China.

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Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Peregrine » 27 Apr 2018 18:18

PM Modi offers to host next informal summit with Xi Jinping in India in 2019

WUHAN: Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Friday offered to host the next informal summit with Xi Jinping in India next year, a proposal which elicited a positive response from the Chinese president.

During his delegation-level talks as part of an unprecedented informal summit with President Xi in the central Chinese city, Modi said such informal summits should become a tradition between the two countries.

"I'll be happy, if in 2019, we can have such informal summit in India," Modi told Xi.

On his part, President Xi said the two countries have established closer partnership and made positive progress in recent years.

"In the past five years, we have achieved a lot. We have met each other on many occasions," he said.

The Chinese president said he believes in future and they could meet in format like this from time to time.

"I look forward to in-depth communication with your excellency, and ensure we can build common understanding and help to take the China-India relationship to the next level," he said.

The first informal summit between Modi and Xi in Wuhan - the favourite holiday spot of revolutionary Chinese leader Mao Zedong - is being seen as an effort by India and China to rebuild trust and improve ties that were hit by the 73-day-long Dokalam standoff last year.

This is the fourth visit of Modi to China after he came to power in 2014. He is again due to visit China to take part in the SCO summit to be held at Qingdao city on June 9-10.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby disha » 27 Apr 2018 19:09

China has been cornered., it is seeking a way out of the current pickle it has itself put in.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby prasannasimha » 27 Apr 2018 19:14

Gaganshakthi followed by trade visit. Things speak for itself.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 27 Apr 2018 19:14

TKiran wrote:
Brahma Chellaney
Brahma Chellaney
@Chellaney

Indian official: "India is all for increasing trade with China as long as its security concerns are recognized” ((link: https://goo.gl/EnCzST) goo.gl/EnCzST). On Modi's watch, China's trade surplus has already doubled to almost $5 billion a month. China wants to dump more but won't yield on security



As I opined, this visit of Modi is all to do with increasing trade with China.

Now that we have your valued opinion ... increasing trade is Good.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 27 Apr 2018 19:24

I am not thinking beyond the official line.

The leaders have assembled to exchange thoughts/perceptions/views on various issues. Both will pledge to be mindful of the others sensitivities. I don't expect anything out of it.

Once the exchange is over both will watch each other like hawks to judge the other sides actions v/s what was committed/agreed communicated. There is no commitment or agreement at the end of the meeting.

If say after 5-10 years, both sides believe the other side has respected ones views they might move to formalize such understanding. Till then it will be communication and watching.

Nothing more nothing less.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Karthik S » 27 Apr 2018 19:43

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Delegation level meeting between PM Modi and President Xi Jinping was supposed to be for 30 minutes, but it went on for more than 2 hours: Sources #ModiXisummit

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby ramana » 27 Apr 2018 19:54

pankajs wrote:https://www.news18.com/news/india/china-fails-to-get-indian-support-for-belt-and-road-ahead-of-summit-1728071.html
China Fails to Get Indian Support for Belt and Road Ahead of Summit

Whether or not China will be able to win India round to the Belt and Road will likely be a key measure of the success of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's trip to China to meet Xi for an informal meeting on Friday and Saturday.

Reuters as usual with its own spin.


How does this compute?

Is the writer out of his mind?
India agreeing to China is a measure of success of Indian PM trip?

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby ramana » 27 Apr 2018 20:06

Peregrine wrote:Apologies if this Article is already Posted earlier.

India strongly raises terrorism issue at SCO FMs' meet in China

BEIJING: In a veiled attack on Pakistan, India today said that terrorism is an enemy of the basic human rights and the fight against it should also identify States that "encourage, support and finance" the menace and "provide sanctuary" to terror groups.

External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj, during her address at the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation + (SCO) Council of Foreign Ministers meeting also attended by Pakistan Foreign Minister Khawaja Muhammad Asif, raised the issue of global terrorism and protectionism.

There are a number of challenges that are being faced by the world today, foremost being the threat of global terrorism and the imminent need to build a strong security architecture to combat it, the minister said.

"Terrorism is an enemy of the basic human rights: of life, peace and prosperity," Swaraj said.

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This putting Pakistan on dock is a childish move that MEA still persist.

It was MEA diplomats who gave visas to David Headley and his sidekick to come to India and help 26/11 attack.
As far as we know, no one in MEA paid the price for that.

The day India stops referring to Paki terrorism the world will sit up and take notice. And hope MEA spokesperson doesn't point that out.
The reason is that means India is ready to take care of Pakistan terrorism and not hop the world will sort out this problem.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby kiranA » 27 Apr 2018 20:44

disha wrote:China has been cornered., it is seeking a way out of the current pickle it has itself put in.


If that were true xi would be flying down to Ahmedabad to meet modi. Not other way around.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby TKiran » 27 Apr 2018 20:56

pankajs wrote:
TKiran wrote:
As I opined, this visit of Modi is all to do with increasing trade with China.

Now that we have your valued opinion ... increasing trade is Good.

Increasing trade with China is not good. You seem to be very obsessed with my opinion, but your conclusions are sh*t.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby kiranA » 27 Apr 2018 21:01

This meeting is really strange And clearly shows the policy confusion of Indian govt . Going for an informal chitchat and an outcome free meeting after doklam and a massive trade deficit staring at face ? One expects more from the govt .

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby disha » 27 Apr 2018 21:07

kiranA wrote:
disha wrote:China has been cornered., it is seeking a way out of the current pickle it has itself put in.


If that were true xi would be flying down to Ahmedabad to meet modi. Not other way around.


Or Modi is giving a face saving exit to Xi.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby disha » 27 Apr 2018 21:10

kiranA wrote:This meeting is really strange And clearly shows the policy confusion of Indian govt .


It is possible that you sir are confused since chaos reigns on your mind., a clearly enunciated policy of GOI looks confising.

Problem w/ your rhethoric is that it can be in equal measure applied either way.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Peregrine » 27 Apr 2018 21:27

ramana wrote:
Peregrine wrote:Apologies if this Article is already Posted earlier.

India strongly raises terrorism issue at SCO FMs' meet in China

BEIJING: In a veiled attack on Pakistan, India today said that terrorism is an enemy of the basic human rights and the fight against it should also identify States that "encourage, support and finance" the menace and "provide sanctuary" to terror groups.

External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj, during her address at the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation + (SCO) Council of Foreign Ministers meeting also attended by Pakistan Foreign Minister Khawaja Muhammad Asif, raised the issue of global terrorism and protectionism.

There are a number of challenges that are being faced by the world today, foremost being the threat of global terrorism and the imminent need to build a strong security architecture to combat it, the minister said.

"Terrorism is an enemy of the basic human rights: of life, peace and prosperity," Swaraj said.

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ramana wrote:This putting Pakistan on dock is a childish move that MEA still persist.

It was MEA diplomats who gave visas to David Headley and his sidekick to come to India and help 26/11 attack.
As far as we know, no one in MEA paid the price for that.

The day India stops referring to Paki terrorism the world will sit up and take notice. And hope MEA spokesperson doesn't point that out.
The reason is that means India is ready to take care of Pakistan terrorism and not hop the world will sort out this problem.


ramana Ji :

It has come to my notice that the "Visa Service" in the Indian Consulates and Embassies-High Commissions is now "Contracted out" to various Private Organizations.

The Employes at these "Private" Visa Offices - Indian or Non-Indian - can be of any Nationality even if they are Pakistani-Americans or Pakistanis-Whatever.

I am not aware if these Private Services may not be the reason for these "Non-Desirable" Terrorist getting their Visas. I do not see what control the MEA Officials from the Indian Embassies - Consulates - High Commissions can have on these "Visa Services" and as such am unable to suggest a solution.

IMHO the World cares a Fig for Terror Perpetrating Terrorism on/in India and the only Hope India has is to be able to arrange some sanctions on Terroristan.

In the end the Problems created for India by Nehru in takeing Kashmir Problem to the UN, agreeing to Liaqat Ali Khan to "STOP THE INDIAN MUSLIMS TO MIGRATE TO TERRORISTAN", taking arbitrary action on IWT without refering it to the Indian Parliament on the subject of (a) Giving 80.2% of the Indus Waters to Terroristan (b) paying about £ 63 Million to
to the Terroristanis and then announcing in the Lok Sabha - I believe - "Today we have acquired OUR SHARE OF THE INDUS WATERS" are reasons for India having a permanent millstone around its neck!

One can see the Havoc being played by the Islamic Terrorist Groups in the Western World! What has the USA done to Terroristan for the participation (for want of a better word) of Terroristan General and its ISI in Particular in the 9/11 Terrorist Attack in New York!.

I believe the Mighty USA has given the over US$ 30 Billion for the havoc caused by the Pakistani Terrorists to the UN Containers, Tankers etc. etc.

Let us hope the Indian Leadership - both Bureaucratic as well as the Political - are successful in their endeavours to have a cessation of this problem.

Of course the Indian "Big-hearted" People of various ilks will stop "begging" India to but on the contrary stop all Social and possibly Trade Activities with Terroristan.

This is one of the things India & Indians need to STOP! There are many Indians needing such Treatment and are unable to afford the costs:

PAKISTAN'S WORLD CUP-WINNING HOCKEY GOALKEEPER MANSOOR AHMED OFFERED FREE TREATMENT IN MUMBAI, CHENNAI; AWAITS MEDICAL VISA

"End Rant"

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 27 Apr 2018 21:28

TKiran wrote:
pankajs wrote:Now that we have your valued opinion ... increasing trade is Good.

Increasing trade with China is not good. You seem to be very obsessed with my opinion, but your conclusions are sh*t.

Saaru ....
TKiran wrote: As I opined, this visit of Modi is all to do with increasing trade with China.

1. Trade with the world is good. Therefore trade with China too is good.
2. You opinion is the most colorful and worthy of attention. You must feel flattered. I don't know why you are annoyed. I am flattered when you pay attention to my posts even when you call "conclusions are sh*t."
3. I can understand you are unable to bring to bear good facts/logic therefore you are forced to use "your conclusions are sh*t". Couldn't be clearer. I thank you for being so transparent.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Bart S » 27 Apr 2018 21:32

pankajs wrote:
TKiran wrote:Increasing trade with China is not good. You seem to be very obsessed with my opinion, but your conclusions are sh*t.

Saaru ....
TKiran wrote: As I opined, this visit of Modi is all to do with increasing trade with China.

1. Trade with the world is good. Therefore trade with China too is good.


Trade with the world is perhaps good but that is a very broad and generic term.

There is very little good about trade with China. It is mostly dumping of goods in India, often making use of fraudulent and corrupt means. More of the same is in no way good for us.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 27 Apr 2018 21:34

Bart S wrote:
pankajs wrote:Saaru ....

1. Trade with the world is good. Therefore trade with China too is good.


Trade with the world is perhaps good but that is a very broad and generic term.

Exactly. When one make a broad generalization then one should expect a broad generic reply. I did include the broad generalized statement that was the basis for my post.

It is not my problem if folks don't read the full post.
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby Karthik S » 27 Apr 2018 21:37

Cheen dumping must stop! It really annoys when I see MIC products from small plastics to oppo ads everywhere. It's OK to import stuff that can't be made in India, but not cheap toys, plastics etc etc.

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby pankajs » 27 Apr 2018 21:42

^^
That is correct stand.

But "Increasing trade with China is not good" is too broad and generic. The correct statement would have been "Increasing skewed trade with China is not good."

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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby g.sarkar » 27 Apr 2018 21:53

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/27/asia/mod ... index.html
Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi meets Chinese President Xi Jinping for informal summit
By Manveena Suri and Ben Westcott, CNN

Updated 8:20 AM ET, Fri April 27, 2018
New Delhi (CNN)Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi met with Chinese President Xi Jinping Friday at the beginning of his informal two-day relation-building summit in the central Chinese city of Wuhan.
The meeting, widely interpreted as an attempt to reset relations and rebuild trust, follows an extended period of diplomatic estrangement between the two neighboring nuclear powers.
Though officials from both sides have stressed that the meeting has no stated goals or set agenda, an op-ed published Thursday in the state-owned China Daily suggested the two leaders would focus on a number of key issues, specifically global governance and shared international challenges.
"The common interests of China and India far outweigh their differences ... Of course Xi and Modi will also address each other's concerns, but they are not likely to indulge in strategic distrust and geopolitical competition," the opinion piece said.
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Between India and China, their collective population and economies comprise more than 2.6 billion people and 17.6% of the global economy.
China is India's largest trading partner with a total of $84 billion in bilateral trade last year. But the economic relationship is dwarfed by the US-China trade volume, which stood almost $600 billion.
Referencing the rising threat of US protectionism, Luo stressed the importance of maintaining free and open cross-border trade. "With the current backlash against globalization, a heart-to-heart dialogue between the two leaders will promote free trade," read the op-ed.
It comes as China is engaged in an escalating battle over trade with the Trump administration in the United States, which has threatened tariffs on hundreds of billions of dollars of Chinese goods.
Whether Modi and Xi can work to develop closer trade ties, will depend to some extent on their ability to overcome more lasting, politically sensitive issues.
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Re: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (15-11-2017)

Postby g.sarkar » 27 Apr 2018 22:02

Peregrine wrote:It has come to my notice that the "Visa Service" in the Indian Consulates and Embassies-High Commissions is now "Contracted out" to various Private Organizations.
The Employes at these "Private" Visa Offices - Indian or Non-Indian - can be of any Nationality even if they are Pakistani-Americans or Pakistanis-Whatever.
I am not aware if these Private Services may not be the reason for these "Non-Desirable" Terrorist getting their Visas. I do not see what control the MEA Officials from the Indian Embassies - Consulates - High Commissions can have on these "Visa Services" and as such am unable to suggest a solution.
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Peregrineji,
While it is true that the visa service is contracted out, the actual visa is given by the consulate not the service firm. At least that was the case when I obtained my visa the last time. While this has added a service fee, the process is smooth and without restless crowds. I am sure filters to keep out pakis are still in existence.
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